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Why homeopathy is superior to allopathic medicine
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clark
2013-02-24 06:47:41 UTC
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A partial list extracted from article --

Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy

How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.

- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy

al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.

Allopathy
Conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses
substances or techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.
Mentioned in: Homeopathic Medicine, Acute Prescribing, Homeopathic
Medicine, Constitutional Prescribing
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All
rights reserved.]
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Orthodox Medicine Opposing Homeopathy
FACT 33: In the United States in the early 1900s there were 22
homeopathic medical schools and over 100 homeopathic hospitals, 60
orphanages and old people’s homes and 1,000+ homeopathic
pharmacies.FACT

34: Members of the American Medical Association had great animosity
towards homeopathy after its formation in 1847 and it was decided to
purge all local medical societies of physicians who were homeopaths.

FACT 35: Big Pharma does not want the public to find out how well
homeopathy works!

Scientific Studies
FACT 36: In 2005 World Health Organisation brought out a draft report
which showed homeopathy was beneficial, causing Big Pharma to panic
and the Lancet to bring out an editorial entitled ‘The End of
Homeopathy’.

FACT 37: In 2005 the Lancet tried to destroy homeopathy with a
meta-analysis of 110 studies. But they secretly only used 8 carefully
selected inconclusive trials. This was a fraudulent analysis.
“The meta-analysis at the centre of the controversy is based on 110
placebo-controlled clinical trials of homeopathy and 110 clinical
trials of allopathy (conventional medicine), which are said to be
matched. These were reduced to 21 trials of homeopathy and 9 of
conventional medicine of ‘higher quality’ and further reduced to 8 and
6 trials, respectively, which were ‘larger, higher quality’. The final
analysis which concluded that ‘the clinical effects of homoeopathy are
placebo effects’ was based on just the eight ‘larger, higher quality’
clinical trials of homeopathy. The Lancet’s press release did not
mention this, instead giving the impression that the conclusions were
based on all 110 trials.”
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1375230

See website for full list reasons homeopathy is superior to modern
medicine.

This discussion wouldn't be necessary if the allopaths who continue to
invade an alternative health group didn't keep pusing their barrow
against homeopathy and any / all alternative therapies.


clark
Bob Officer
2013-02-24 07:24:10 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:47:41 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, clark
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
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[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Excuse me, this is also a misrepresentation of what hahnemann wrote
concerning allopathy. Galenism was one of the listed from of
allopathy.

Carole, when you lie, are least try to be a little historically
correct.


<snip>

carole it seems when you take part in the fallacy of the big lie, you
dive deep into the sea of ignorance.

BBC Horizon


Same video in 5 parts
1 -

2 -

3 -

4 -

5 -


ABC Lateline:


and total idiocy of a homeopathy



and now back to rational thinking and investigations:
Then you have 1 of Enemies of Reason - homeopathy


The above video hits upon the key of item, the doctor believes it
works and even mentions his faith in the dogma, even when there is
evidence contradictory to his beliefs and faith. The doctor should be
deregistered as a medical profession and prosecuted for felony fraud
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clark
2013-02-24 11:14:09 UTC
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
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[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.


 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy

al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.

Allopathy
Conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses
substances or techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.
Mentioned in: Homeopathic Medicine, Acute Prescribing, Homeopathic
Medicine, Constitutional Prescribing
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All
rights reserved.

allopathy
a system of medical therapy in which a disease or an abnormal
condition is treated by creating an environment that is antagonistic
to the disease or condition; for example, an antibiotic toxic to a
pathogenic organism is administered to treat an infection.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

allopathy
n method of medical treatment in which drugs are administered to
antagonize the disease.
Jonas: Mosby's Dictionary of Complementary and Alternative Medicine.
(c) 2005, Elsevier.

allopathy
in homeopathy, the use of treatments that are unrelated to the disease
process itself.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier,
Inc. All rights reserved

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Martin
2013-02-24 14:36:38 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:47:41 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, clark
Post by clark
A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.
Allopathy
Conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses
substances or techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.
Mentioned in: Homeopathic Medicine, Acute Prescribing, Homeopathic
Medicine, Constitutional Prescribing
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All
rights reserved.
allopathy
a system of medical therapy in which a disease or an abnormal
condition is treated by creating an environment that is antagonistic
to the disease or condition; for example, an antibiotic toxic to a
pathogenic organism is administered to treat an infection.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
allopathy
n method of medical treatment in which drugs are administered to
antagonize the disease.
Jonas: Mosby's Dictionary of Complementary and Alternative Medicine.
(c) 2005, Elsevier.
allopathy
in homeopathy, the use of treatments that are unrelated to the disease
process itself.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier,
Inc. All rights reserved
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clark
For crying out loud Carole, give it up.
Lu
2013-02-24 15:33:46 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:47:41 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, clark
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.
What this all means is that allopathy kills that foot fungus instead of
saving it for future medication, as in your foot fungus. Interesting that
homeopathy doesn't oppose the problem and just treats it in a manner that
would insure a lifelong dependency on their maintenance dilutions.
("Repetitive nonsense snipped")
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clark (aka, carole)
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Lu

Don't kill the disease or condition, let it kill you.
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2013-02-24 06:16:55 UTC
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al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.
What this all means is that allopathy kills that foot fungus instead of
saving it for future medication, as in your foot fungus. Interesting that
homeopathy doesn't oppose the problem and just treats it in a manner that
would insure a lifelong dependency on their maintenance dilutions.
How strong must the dilution be to kill the fungus - and perhaps leaving
the foot alive?
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2013-02-24 19:37:06 UTC
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al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects
antagonistic to those caused by the disease itself.
What this all means is that allopathy kills that foot fungus instead of
saving it for future medication, as in your foot fungus. Interesting that
homeopathy doesn't oppose the problem and just treats it in a manner that
would insure a lifelong dependency on their maintenance dilutions.
How strong must the dilution be to kill the fungus - and perhaps leaving
the foot alive?
I wonder if even a 100% solution of what ever silica they use, with no
dilutions, would do it? Loosing the foot seems to be the only sure cure of
foot fungus via homeopathy.

Besides, if they made a pill strong enough to kill that fungus they would be
loosing a sucker. Homeopathy is designed to hook the suckers for life.

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Lu

Don't kill the disease or condition, let it kill you.
Happy Oyster
2013-02-24 06:15:52 UTC
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allopathy
in homeopathy, the use of treatments that are unrelated to the disease
process itself.
In homeopathy, id est in the idiots' world...
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean  
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?

Listed from the oldest to newest:
1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism

I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
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"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
It's just not sinking in for her.

But that happens when the space between the ears is air.
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
How Homeopathy Works
http://hpathy.com/homeopathy-papers/presenting-55-facts-about-homeopathy/
August 16, 2009 by Louise Mclean
FACT 1: Hippocrates ‘The Father of Medicine’ of Ancient Greece said
there were two Laws of Healing: The Law of Opposites and the Law of
Similars. Homeopathy treats the patient with medicines using the Law
of Similars, while orthodox medicine uses the Law of Opposites, e.g.
antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, anti-convulsants,
anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc.
This is an outright misrepresentation of Hippocrates, a fully
supporter of Galenism (AKA the four humors).
Post by clark
- - -
[Comment : allopathic medicine treats by opposing the disease. This is
the definition of modern allopathic medicine.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
It's just not sinking in for her.
But that happens when the space between the ears is air.
Ah, another stupido dumbarse shows its real colours.
Maybe you and bob could go and create yourself another ng based on
mere physical phenomena that can be measured, quantified, catalogued
and indexed to your satisfaction.

Its not sinking in because its wrong.


clark
clark
2013-02-24 19:44:18 UTC
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Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
I sympathise with your dilemma bob. However, allopathy is now
universally recognised as being conventional medicine. Get used to it.
Post by Bob Officer
1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
Modern evidence based medicine is an inventional of the pharmaceutical
business where scientific testing can cost millions and is up to 90%
flawed.

Get used to it bob. and you might want to consider moving on to
sci.med.pharmaceutical dupes or similar.

clark
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However, allopathy is now
universally recognised as being conventional medicine.
Only an idiot would claim that.
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Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
I sympathise with your dilemma bob. However, allopathy is now
universally recognised as being conventional medicine. Get used to it.
and as wrong as any other PC rewrite of definitions, carole.

While words meaning might change, the only practicing allopath I know
of it you, herbalist and Benny Hinn and the religious faith healers.
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Post by Bob Officer
1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
Modern evidence based medicine is an inventional of the pharmaceutical
business where scientific testing can cost millions and is up to 90%
flawed.
ACtually if you are using Ioannidis work to base that claim, he would
even tell you that you are wrong. You still don't know how to read,
carole.
Post by clark
Get used to it bob. and you might want to consider moving on to
sci.med.pharmaceutical dupes or similar.
carole why do you and socks try to silence people?
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Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
I sympathise with your dilemma bob. However, allopathy is now
universally recognised as being conventional medicine. Get used to it.
and as wrong as any other PC rewrite of definitions, carole.
Clark bob.
Post by Bob Officer
While words meaning might change, the only practicing allopath I know
of it you, herbalist and Benny Hinn and the religious faith healers.
I'm sorry you are such a thickhead bob.
There is nothing anybody can do about it - we are just stuck with
people like you and chung who just can't help themselves.

I case you hadn't noticed, this is an alternative health ng.
Homeopathy and cellsalts are traditional well recognised alternative
health modalities.

Look at your allopathic medicine which uses chemo, radiation and
surgery to cure cancer, and when I say cure there is only about 50%
cure rate still, even after the war on cancer was begun in 1970.
Not much progress there except to diagnose earlier - and therefore 5
year mark is reached earlier.
BTW did you know that chemo has about 2.5% success rate for cure, yet
it is still widely used and rarely questioned?
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1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
Modern evidence based medicine is an inventional of the pharmaceutical
business where scientific testing can cost millions and is up to 90%
flawed.
ACtually if you are using Ioannidis work to base that claim, he would
even tell you that you are wrong. You still don't know how to read,
carole.
I don't think so bob. If I go over the article -

http://preview.tinyurl.com/35fe5kb 
Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

I find many actual quotes from Ioannidis himself, where he writes off
scientific studies as being as useless as tits on a bull.
You should read it sometime, and I don't mean the follow-up damage
control version sponsored by big pharma
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Get used to it bob. and you might want to consider moving on to
sci.med.pharmaceutical dupes or similar.
carole why do you and socks try to silence people?
That's clark bob.
This is a ng bob - go and find the conventional socks such as Ernie,
Chumpski, Big Stidd and Little Stidd etc.

I don't have to listen to your BS bob, none of the alties do.
Modern science has had many concepts removed, courtesy of those who
would control humanity. Keep us dumbed down and financially dependent.


clark
Happy Oyster
2013-02-24 13:41:33 UTC
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and as wrong as any other PC rewrite of definitions, carole.
Clark bob.
So Carole Hubbard got a split personality now. How many is she?
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2013-02-25 17:43:48 UTC
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Bob it seems to me that while you like to talk about truth,
eliminating preconceptions and bias, you talk the talk but don't walk
the walk.
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
Allopathy as defined in 1796, when Hahnemann invented the word, means
simply all modalities existing in (1796) which were not homeopathic
in nature. (Homeopathy was his own invention of using dilute
substances and his concept of provings). So we ask what exactly were
the different schools or modalities available in 1796?
I sympathise with your dilemma bob. However, allopathy is now
universally recognised as being conventional medicine. Get used to it.
Carole, you and your sockpuppets are not everybody. Now get lost.
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1) herbalism
2) magic and ritualism (often called religion and witchcraft)
3) galenism (the 4 humors)
4) paracelsianism
I don't see modern Evidence Based Medicine listed at all. Do you
think the dictionaries writers and ethnologist might be mistaken
about what the word allopathy means. Or have they already re defined
or misdefined it using Politically Correct terms?
Modern evidence based medicine is an inventional of the pharmaceutical
business where scientific testing can cost millions and is up to 90%
flawed.
Get used to it bob. and you might want to consider moving on to
sci.med.pharmaceutical dupes or similar.
clark
Happy Oyster
2013-02-23 22:37:11 UTC
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A partial list extracted from article --
Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
Homeopathy is damned idiotic damned bloody bullshit.

To say the least.
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Peter Parry
2013-02-24 22:54:14 UTC
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.

This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.

Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.

There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.

So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.

I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
Bob Officer
2013-02-24 23:11:52 UTC
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.
This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.
Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.
There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.
So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.
I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
It worked with h Pilori, why wouldn't it work for Mclean, too.
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"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
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Woody
2013-02-24 23:38:38 UTC
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.
This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.
Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.
There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.
So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.
I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
It worked with h Pilori, why wouldn't it work for Mclean, too.
Don Mclean of American Pie fame?
Bob Officer
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 22:54:14 +0000, in misc.health.alternative, Peter
Post by Peter Parry
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.
This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.
Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.
There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.
So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.
I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
It worked with h Pilori, why wouldn't it work for Mclean, too.
Don Mclean of American Pie fame?
Louise Mclean, an English Homeopath. Do try to keep up, sock puppet.
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"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
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Woody
2013-02-25 01:22:30 UTC
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Post by Peter Parry
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.
This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.
Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.
There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.
So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.
I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
It worked with h Pilori, why wouldn't it work for Mclean, too.
Don Mclean of American Pie fame?
Louise Mclean, an English Homeopath. Do try to keep up, sock puppet.
Not much to keep up with when it comes to homeopathy.

Bottom line: it's quackery, not real medicine.
Happy Oyster
2013-02-24 13:43:38 UTC
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Presenting 55 Facts About Homeopathy
There is a very simple and quite cheap experiment which a group of
homeopaths could do which would prove beyond doubt the efficacy or
otherwise of their waters and pills. An experiment which would raise
homeopathy to the pinnacle of medical achievement- if it worked.
This experiment wouldn't require hundreds of patients, it wouldn't
require controls. It is simple, cheap, and if it worked would win a
bucket of Nobel prizes and world fame for homeopathy. It would prove
beyond all doubt that homeopathy was effective, or fake.
Throughout the history of medicine there have been a number of brave
experimenters who have chosen to test their own theories upon
themselves.
There is one infection which conventional medicine freely admits it is
wholly unable to cure. Catching it is a irrevocable death sentence.
Yet homeopaths throughout the ages have said (and still say) they can
cure it easily and reliably.
So to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that homeopathy is effective
all the homeopaths have to do is, under controlled conditions, infect
say a few dozen of their leading proponents with Rabies. How they then
treat them would not need monitoring or even observing, they could do
it any way they liked. Within a few weeks all will be cured if they
are right and all will be dead if they are not.
I wonder why none of them have ever tried this?
As far as I know someone survived that by now. But Marburg virus is
great. Or Ebola.

But, well, for a start, the homeopaths really could use something
weaker. Like Rabies.
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