Discussion:
Diabetes and the Obesity Paradox
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unknown
2015-07-31 22:33:12 UTC
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As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.

In fact being within the normal weight range for someone who is diabetic
has a risk factor for some of them.

As this study once again demonstrates, anyone who proposes a simple single
cause for type 2 diabetes does so with the evidence against them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/diabetes-and-the-obesity-paradox/
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2015-07-31 23:49:45 UTC
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Post by unknown
As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.
100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose
tissue (VAT) which happens with overeating:

http://WDJW.net/VAT

We, who've http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow have
http://WDJW.net/NoVAT so that we either never end up with type-2
diabetes **or** no longer have it.

Moreover, the incidence of type-2 diabetes is **zero** in
famine-stricken regions on Earth where excess food just isn't
available.

Bottom line:

Instead of obesity, gluttony is the proximate cause of type-2 diabetes
thereby explaining the obesity paradox.

Those who lack the ability to comprehend the above facts are simply:

http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid

In the interim, the rest of us are choosing to
http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow thereby becoming infinitely
smarter with all glory to GOD:

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Post by unknown
Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
which some people are more susceptible than others.
PMID: 23075228
Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman (along with countless others
globally --> http://bit.ly/2015GHHS ) are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.support.diet.low-carb/ehvWZrH5Q9U/z0oHiET3Lo0J

and

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/1r72AsO3NuQ/VkYiWMDlLFIJ

**and**

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/OwIa247V2QA/taPvYBATA9oJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/2KcDOWlEcZM/7pDF83wuXwUJ

Don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://bit.ly/HeartDoc777-touts-hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT from
around the heart

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://WDJW.net/Luke2442
which is the absolutely only **healthy** cure for type-2 diabetes
unknown
2015-08-03 16:57:47 UTC
Permalink
As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.

In fact being within the normal weight range for someone who is diabetic
has a risk factor for some of them.

As this study once again demonstrates, anyone who proposes a simple single
cause for type 2 diabetes does so with the evidence against them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/diabetes-and-the-obesity-paradox/

"100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose tissue"

Not relevant to the claim of "cure" and weight status, as well illustrated
in the above article.

Vat responds well to exercise as it is used first for the added energy
demands.

"Moreover, the incidence of type-2 diabetes is **zero** in famine-stricken
regions on Earth where excess food just isn't available."

Another irrelevant factoid. We are here speaking of claims of how weight
relates to risk of diabetes as a single silver bullet claim of "cure" and
absolute risk.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2015-08-03 18:11:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by unknown
Vat responds well to exercise as it is used first for the added energy
demands.
Actually, during exercise "vascular steal," where blood is shunted to
muscles instead of viscera, means that VAT does **not** "respond well
to exercise."

The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the diabetes-causing
http://WDJW.net/VAT is:

http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow

in order to have:

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
Post by unknown
As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/MQ_sqIRwckU/FcrHF8ahDAAJ

100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose
tissue (VAT) which happens with overeating:

http://WDJW.net/VAT

We, who've http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow have
http://WDJW.net/NoVAT so that we either never end up with type-2
diabetes **or** no longer have it.

Moreover, the incidence of type-2 diabetes is **zero** in
famine-stricken regions on Earth where excess food just isn't
available.

Bottom line:

Instead of obesity, gluttony is the proximate cause of type-2 diabetes
thereby explaining the obesity paradox.

Those who lack the ability to comprehend the above facts are simply:

http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid

In the interim, the rest of us are choosing to
http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow thereby becoming infinitely
smarter with all glory to GOD:

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Post by unknown
Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
which some people are more susceptible than others.
PMID: 23075228
Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman (along with countless others
globally --> http://bit.ly/2015GHHS ) are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.support.diet.low-carb/ehvWZrH5Q9U/z0oHiET3Lo0J

and

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/1r72AsO3NuQ/VkYiWMDlLFIJ

**and**

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/OwIa247V2QA/taPvYBATA9oJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/2KcDOWlEcZM/7pDF83wuXwUJ

Don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://bit.ly/HeartDoc777-touts-hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT from
around the heart

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://WDJW.net/Luke2442
which is the absolutely only **healthy** cure for type-2 diabetes
unknown
2015-08-04 17:23:42 UTC
Permalink
As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.

In fact being within the normal weight range for someone who is diabetic
has a risk factor for some of them.

As this study once again demonstrates, anyone who proposes a simple single
cause for type 2 diabetes does so with the evidence against them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/diabetes-and-the-obesity-paradox/

"100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose tissue"

Not relevant to the claim of "cure" and weight status, as well illustrated
in the above article.

Vat responds well to exercise as it is used first for the added energy
demands.

"A Actually, during exercise "vascular steal," where blood is shunted to
muscles instead of viscera, means that VAT does **not** "respond well to
exercise.""

And during those intervals between maximum muscle activity this is not the
case.

Actually the production of energy from vat continues to happen post
exercise for a number of hours.

We have noticed that medical factoid are thrown out as strawman argument.
This more make it up as one goes along behavior not being aware of the
recent basic research in related areas.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2015-08-04 21:45:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by unknown
As this article discusses not only do a majority of those overweight not
becom diabetic, but many who are diabetic were not over weight at
diagnosis.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/MQ_sqIRwckU/FcrHF8ahDAAJ

100% of those afflicted with type-2 diabetes have visceral adipose
tissue (VAT) which happens with overeating:

http://WDJW.net/VAT

We, who've http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow have
http://WDJW.net/NoVAT so that we either never end up with type-2
diabetes **or** no longer have it.

Moreover, the incidence of type-2 diabetes is **zero** in
famine-stricken regions on Earth where excess food just isn't
available.

Bottom line:

Instead of obesity, gluttony is the proximate cause of type-2 diabetes
thereby explaining the obesity paradox.

Those who lack the ability to comprehend the above facts are simply:

http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid

In the interim, the rest of us are choosing to
http://WDJW.net/StopFoodOverdoseNow thereby becoming infinitely
smarter with all glory to GOD:

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo
Post by unknown
Diabet Med. 2012 Oct 17. doi: 10.1111/dme.12039.
The 2012 Banting Lecture Reversing the twin cycles of Type 2 diabetes.
It has become widely accepted that type 2 diabetes is inevitably life-long,
with irreversible and progressive beta cell damage. However, the restoration
of normal glucose metabolism within days after bariatric surgery in the
majority of people with type 2 diabetes disproves this concept. There is now
no doubt that this reversal of diabetes depends upon the sudden and profound
decrease in food intake, and does not relate to any direct surgical effect.
The Counterpoint study demonstrated that normal glucose levels and normal
beta cell function could be restored by a very low calorie diet alone. Novel
magnetic resonance methods were applied to measure intra-organ fat. The
results showed two different time courses: a) resolution of hepatic insulin
sensitivity within days along with a rapid fall in liver fat and
normalisation of fasting glucose levels; and b) return of normal beta cell
insulin secretion over weeks in step with a fall in pancreas fat. Now that
it has been possible to observe the pathophysiological events during
reversal of type 2 diabetes, the reverse time course of events which
determine the onset of the condition can be identified. The twin cycle
hypothesis postulates that chronic calorie excess leads to accumulation of
liver fat with eventual spill over into the pancreas. These self-reinforcing
cycles between liver and pancreas eventually cause metabolic inhibition of
insulin secretion after meals and onset of hyperglycaemia. It is now clear
that Type 2 diabetes is a reversible condition of intra-organ fat excess to
which some people are more susceptible than others.
PMID: 23075228
Yes, stopping the causative overeating without harmful
undernourishment by holding to the right amount, which is 32 oz of
daily food, is the absolutely only **healthy** way to remove the
"intra-organ fat excess" ( http://WDJW.net/VAT ) that happens with
overeating:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48e684b2a336961e?

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman (along with countless others
globally --> http://bit.ly/2015GHHS ) are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.support.diet.low-carb/ehvWZrH5Q9U/z0oHiET3Lo0J

and

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/1r72AsO3NuQ/VkYiWMDlLFIJ

**and**

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/OwIa247V2QA/taPvYBATA9oJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/2KcDOWlEcZM/7pDF83wuXwUJ

Don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a
http://bit.ly/TerriblyStupid (Mark 9:42) death:

http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://bit.ly/HeartDoc777-touts-hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT from
around the heart

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Emory's IMVC.org cardiologist (GA Lic#040347)
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://WDJW.net/Luke2442
which is the absolutely only **healthy** cure for type-2 diabetes
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