Post by BruceS Post by Fred
Hardly. Sylvia's been around for a long time.
Hmm...that sounds like an agist dig.
Hmm . . . kindly adjust your hearing.
I'm disputing that Sylvia is a "latecomer" as carole suggests.
Post by BruceS Post by Fred Post by Enquiring minds want to know
If you want to get involved, try hanging around a bit more.
No one "hangs around" for your nonsense.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In the meantime read some of the links below my sig.
All unproven rubbish without merit.
By the way, have you gone to an AA meeting yet?
AIUI, AA is also unproven rubbish without merit. I wouldn't want to
count on Penn & Teller as the sole source of data, but that's what I
recall best. They had an episode of Bullshit about twelve-stepping,
and it appears to be a bunch of faith-based hogwash with no sound
statistical backing. Maybe someone here knows better. Not that I
need them. I'm certainly not an alcoholic, as I don't go to
I won't dispute AA may have a faith-based approach.
I have known alcoholics who have told me that AA is a support group that
has kept them sober for years.
They also told me that for alcoholics, the issue is sobriety. Whatever
helps them achieve that is what counts.
I never said AA will work for everyone who must maintain sobriety.
I'm not alcoholic, but I discount criticism of AA via a skit performed
by two American comedians.
The fact is that carole's statements indicate she has had difficulty
moderating her ingestion of alcoholic beverages with self-reported ill
consequences for her health.
She can deal with it any which way she wants. My concern is her
understanding that she must moderate her ingestion of alcoholic
beverages per Australian guidelines, or quit drinking altogether.
In 2006 psychologist Rudolf H. Moos of the Department of Veterans
Affairs and Stanford University and Bernice S. Moos published results
from a 16-year study of problem drinkers who had tried to quit on their
own or who had sought help from AA, professional therapists or, in some
cases, both. Of those who attended at least 27 weeks of AA meetings
during the first year, 67 percent were abstinent at the 16-year
follow-up, compared with 34 percent of those who did not participate in
AA. Of the subjects who got therapy for the same time period, 56 percent
were abstinent versus 39 percent of those who did not see a therapist—an
indication that seeing a professional is also beneficial.
Does Alcoholics Anonymous Work?
Scott O. Lilienfeld and Hal Arkowitz
Feb 17, 2011
Participation in Treatment and Alcoholics Anonymous: A 16-Year Follow-Up
of Initially Untreated Individuals
J Clin Psychol. 2006 June; 62(6): 735–750. doi: 10.1002/jclp.20259
Rudolf H. Moos and Bernice S. Moos
"You have to remember Michele I don't take any
pharmaceutical products at all except for the
occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count?
Are you a drunk who tries to minimize their binge drinking?
Alcoholics often defend their drinking, Carole. Hangovers
don't happen after a drink or two. Drinking to the point
of getting a hangover is binge drinking. Occasionally
binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was
working away from home, thought it was fun at the time,
sort of like in holiday mode. The result of being brought
up in an overly straight environment where my parents drank
1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd year.
Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up
drinking by substituting with soft drink, which I have
now downscaled to about 1 750ml bottle a week mixed
with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda water.
I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last.
As I said, occasionally I indulge, or if I go
to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe
occasional glass of something if I go out."
- carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional
paracetamol less and less frequently.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
“Drinking alcohol is not illegal. But apart from that,
I gave up shortly after 2006. And why shouldn't I drink,
I'm an adult ie over 21.”
– carole hubbard on 17 May 2014
"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day -
should have stopped at one though."
- carole hubbard on 12/15/2011