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Finally, the Vaxed vs. the uncaxed study got done.
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mainframetech
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Study:
http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php

Article:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-12-year-old-us-children.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ageofautism+%28AGE+OF+AUTISM%29

Chris
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http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-12-year-old-us-children.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ageofautism+%28AGE+OF+AUTISM%29
Chris
Sorry Chris studies done via questionnaires are always suspect and carry
considerable less weight. Then mother's are not MDs and the pool,of
subjects tend to not take their children to real doctors.
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.

Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
mainframetech
2017-05-07 13:45:18 UTC
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism. As well, the Whistleblower William Thompson, PhD has also proven through ha study he was ordered to cover up, that the MMR vaccine was one of the causes of Autism, especially to black boys before their 3rd birthday.

The drug companies and their shills are everywhere with their billions in profits fighting to keep the truth from getting out.

The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate, found there too that the unvaccinated had much less Autism than the vaccinated.

Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is wanted of them, to cause the profits of the drug makers to rise exponentially. And there are those that foolishly help to make it worse, thinking they're helping.

Chris
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism. As well, the Whistleblower William Thompson, PhD has also proven through ha study he was ordered to cover up, that the MMR vaccine was one of the causes of Autism, especially to black boys before their 3rd birthday.
The drug companies and their shills are everywhere with their billions in profits fighting to keep the truth from getting out.
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate, found there too that the unvaccinated had much less Autism than the vaccinated.
Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is wanted of them, to cause the profits of the drug makers to rise exponentially. And there are those that foolishly help to make it worse, thinking they're helping.
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Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism.
You mean all other ALT-info sites say that.

YOU simply refuse to accept that the majority of _unbiased_ studies
DON'T find that.
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2017-05-07 15:56:45 UTC
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The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate,
Simply bullshit.

A) Many Amish DO vaccinate. AND have autistic children.

B) The Amish are an inbred society, and have MANY problems associated with
that, PLUS all the same problems as any other group in the same area
they live in.
Enquiring minds want to know
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The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate,
Simply bullshit.
A) Many Amish DO vaccinate. AND have autistic children.
The Amish never used to vaccinate UNTIL mainstream allopathic medicine
began putting the pressure on them because mainstream couldn't have a
population of people WITHOUT autism showing up the vaccination as
being dangerous.

The Amish never used to have autism, but now they will get it more if
they vaccinate.
Post by The Newest Other Guy
B) The Amish are an inbred society, and have MANY problems associated with
that, PLUS all the same problems as any other group in the same area
they live in.
The main problem the Amish have is tooth decay.


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have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
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33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
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MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


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“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
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every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General

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The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf

Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html
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The Amish never used to vaccinate UNTIL mainstream allopathic medicine
began putting the pressure on them because mainstream couldn't have a
population of people WITHOUT autism showing up the vaccination as
being dangerous.
The Amish never used to have autism, but now they will get it more if
they vaccinate.
Religio-racism (which is a tautology) at its best:

"Believe in our god or you will die."


Let them try that with Ebola.
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The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate,
Simply bullshit.
A) Many Amish DO vaccinate. AND have autistic children.
The Amish never used to vaccinate UNTIL mainstream allopathic medicine
MORE nonsensical bullshit NOT backed by ANY evidence.
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Post by mainframetech
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate,
Simply bullshit.
A) Many Amish DO vaccinate. AND have autistic children.
The Amish never used to vaccinate UNTIL mainstream allopathic medicine
began putting the pressure on them because mainstream couldn't have a
population of people WITHOUT autism showing up the vaccination as
being dangerous.
And you know this because: You read it someplace?
You watched a movie?
Read about or know people which are Anabaptist or Mennonite?

The Amish have long had group homes where they shut away those children
which have defects. After as Anabaptist basic belief is the defective can
not go to heaven.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
The Amish never used to have autism, but now they will get it more if
they vaccinate.
You are just wrong again. The 1st case of autism was described in American
medical literature in the 1800s long before vaccinations. The actual rate
of autism in Amish have always reflected overall rates nation wide.

Do you really enjoy being held up to public ridicule, Carole?
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
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B) The Amish are an inbred society, and have MANY problems associated with
that, PLUS all the same problems as any other group in the same area
they live in.
The main problem the Amish have is tooth decay.
The Amish today have the largest percentage of population which are
addicted to meth and other amphetamines. The also have had a shrinking gene
pool with fewer and few births each year and one of the highest number of
birth defects for any cultural group.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
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--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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Post by mainframetech
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate,
Simply bullshit.
Ah, a clever opinion, fraught with intelligence!
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Post by The Newest Other Guy
A) Many Amish DO vaccinate. AND have autistic children.
ROFLMAO! Thank you for proving it for me! Those that get vaccinated get autism! Sort of fell into that one, eh? And the ones that don't vaccinate have almost NO Autism.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
The Amish never used to vaccinate UNTIL mainstream allopathic medicine
began putting the pressure on them because mainstream couldn't have a
population of people WITHOUT autism showing up the vaccination as
being dangerous.
The Amish never used to have autism, but now they will get it more if
they vaccinate.
Now you're talking! Welcome to the fold!
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by The Newest Other Guy
B) The Amish are an inbred society, and have MANY problems associated with
that, PLUS all the same problems as any other group in the same area
they live in.
The main problem the Amish have is tooth decay.
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serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."
Hmm, I tend to agree, but don't forget about Epigenetics. It works much more quickly.
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'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes
Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/
33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/
MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm
Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in
every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet
it was planned that way." ---Franklin D. Roosevelt
The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/
Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf
Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/
Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the
unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism.
As well, the Whistleblower William Thompson, PhD has also proven through
ha study he was ordered to cover up, that the MMR vaccine was one of the
causes of Autism, especially to black boys before their 3rd birthday.
Thomson has no education in medicine and no qualifications in medical
research.
Additional this study was properly show to be false, including data which
was cherry picked.

Sorry Chris the horse you are trying to beat is dead.
Post by mainframetech
The drug companies and their shills are everywhere with their billions
in profits fighting to keep the truth from getting out.
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate, found there
too that the unvaccinated had much less Autism than the vaccinated.
Again Chris , that horse itself is also dead. The claim has been falsified
by the Amish themselves.


When Chris rides In a race consisting of nothing but dead horses, they all
loose.
Post by mainframetech
Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them, to cause the profits of the drug makers to rise
exponentially. And there are those that foolishly help to make it worse,
thinking they're helping.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the
unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism.
As well, the Whistleblower William Thompson, PhD has also proven through
ha study he was ordered to cover up, that the MMR vaccine was one of the
causes of Autism, especially to black boys before their 3rd birthday.
Thomson has no education in medicine and no qualifications in medical
research.
Additional this study was properly show to be false, including data which
was cherry picked.
Thomson may not have been a medical expert but neither are you.
Thomson said he hid data, medical expertise not required and
irrelevant.
But that's nothing new to the demtards who don't use logic but
emotional responses.
Post by Bob Officer
Sorry Chris the horse you are trying to beat is dead.
Post by mainframetech
The drug companies and their shills are everywhere with their billions
in profits fighting to keep the truth from getting out.
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate, found there
too that the unvaccinated had much less Autism than the vaccinated.
Again Chris , that horse itself is also dead. The claim has been falsified
by the Amish themselves.
No it hasn't.
This is spin.
Post by Bob Officer
When Chris rides In a race consisting of nothing but dead horses, they all
loose.
Post by mainframetech
Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them, to cause the profits of the drug makers to rise
exponentially. And there are those that foolishly help to make it worse,
thinking they're helping.
--
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http://www.thebigcancerlie.com/
""As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a
serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes


Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/

33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in
every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet
it was planned that way." ---Franklin D. Roosevelt





The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf

Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html



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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not for
their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Of course, all the other forms of information on the vaxed vs. the
unvaxed also say that the vaxed have greater problems and more autism.
As well, the Whistleblower William Thompson, PhD has also proven through
ha study he was ordered to cover up, that the MMR vaccine was one of the
causes of Autism, especially to black boys before their 3rd birthday.
Thomson has no education in medicine and no qualifications in medical
research.
Additional this study was properly show to be false, including data which
was cherry picked.
Thomson may not have been a medical expert but neither are you.
Thomson said he hid data, medical expertise not required and
irrelevant.
Yet when FDA investigators enquirer, Thomson didn't even have access to
said data.
When it was turned over to the FBI, they found Thomson had been dismissed
for snooping into other computer files and the ground for dismissal was
attempted corporate espionage.
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But that's nothing new to the demtards who don't use logic but
emotional responses.
Demtards?
You do understand Trump is on his way out and calls for impeachment have
already started?
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Sorry Chris the horse you are trying to beat is dead.
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The drug companies and their shills are everywhere with their billions
in profits fighting to keep the truth from getting out.
The studies done on the Amish, who often don't vaccinate, found there
too that the unvaccinated had much less Autism than the vaccinated.
Again Chris , that horse itself is also dead. The claim has been falsified
by the Amish themselves.
No it hasn't.
This is spin.
Actually is was total falsified, Carole. And you were here when it was
discussed here years ago.
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Post by Bob Officer
When Chris rides In a race consisting of nothing but dead horses, they all
loose.
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them, to cause the profits of the drug makers to rise
exponentially. And there are those that foolishly help to make it worse,
thinking they're helping.
Fix you signature the require 6 line limit Carole.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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2017-05-07 23:16:41 UTC
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html

To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and was applied.

It turns out that sanitation, letting less people live in a single apartment, better health care, eating more and different vegetables and other methods were the deciding factor in clearing up most diseases. That includes small pox!

Here are some graphs for the above:

http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/graphs/

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On Mon, 8 May 2017 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
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http://www.naturalnews.com
YET AGAIN, using the ABSOLUTELY WORST SITE ON THE NET
for anything health related, and acting as it is real.
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On Mon, 8 May 2017 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
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http://www.naturalnews.com
YET AGAIN, using the ABSOLUTELY WORST SITE ON THE NET
for anything health related, and acting as it is real.
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics

Of course mainstream will insist that vaccines are responsible for
improvements in health, but they lie.


--
Enquiring minds want to know

http://www.thebigcancerlie.com/
""As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a
serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes


Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/

33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in
every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet
it was planned that way." ---Franklin D. Roosevelt





The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf

Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html



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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.

<snip the rest of the nonsense>
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.

A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)

Chris
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.

Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate for everyone, let it boil out...:)

Chris
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.

I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.

When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.

Until then, rest well.
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of your obstinacy. Here they are again for you to ignore:







First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
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Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't communicate to your orders.

Enjoy the links.

Chris
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.

No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.

Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.

Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.

I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.

Later.
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.

I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:

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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.
I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
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I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
When I first had my cholesterol checked, in my early 60s, it was
FAR better than I expected. But the Docs wanted it to be a little
better, good vs bad, so they put me on statins.

I checked things, and decided I wasn't really happy with that,
so went with Red Yeast Rice and Niacin. Numbers got to same
place statins would gave gotten me, with NO real change in
anything else. So I'm STILL on those 6 year later.
Mo Onions
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Post by Mo Onions
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
When I first had my cholesterol checked, in my early 60s, it was
FAR better than I expected. But the Docs wanted it to be a little
better, good vs bad, so they put me on statins.
I checked things, and decided I wasn't really happy with that,
so went with Red Yeast Rice and Niacin. Numbers got to same
place statins would gave gotten me, with NO real change in
anything else. So I'm STILL on those 6 year later.
They are suggestions that Red Rice Yeast contains monakolin K, which is
the active ingredient in lovastatin, one of the early, now considered
milder statins.

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/red-yeast-rice#1

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-925-RED+YEAST.aspx

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/red-yeast-rice

http://www.medicinenet.com/red_yeast_rice_and_cholesterol/article.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_yeast_rice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108295/
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2017-05-16 01:23:07 UTC
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I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
When I first had my cholesterol checked, in my early 60s, it was
FAR better than I expected. But the Docs wanted it to be a little
better, good vs bad, so they put me on statins.
I checked things, and decided I wasn't really happy with that,
so went with Red Yeast Rice and Niacin. Numbers got to same
place statins would gave gotten me, with NO real change in
anything else. So I'm STILL on those 6 year later.
Here is a clue: statins are a drug which were derived from niacin.

I don't need need to take niacin supplements because I eat foods rich in
niacin, high in fiber, and very little red meat. (4-5 ounces) a few times a
week.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
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Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.
I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
Exactly. The permanent change in lifestyle, and the goal is not to return
to where you were. I would like you to say that you are going to talk your
MD, and have him monitor your progress and advise you on possible edit
strategies.

I can't jog or run because of a 40 year old knee injury, but I do ride a
road or mountain bike often as I can.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.
I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
Exactly. The permanent change in lifestyle, and the goal is not to return
to where you were. I would like you to say that you are going to talk your
MD, and have him monitor your progress and advise you on possible edit
strategies.
You bet I will talk to him about an exit strategy.
I see him this Thursday, scheduled months ago.
Post by Bob Officer
I can't jog or run because of a 40 year old knee injury, but I do ride a
road or mountain bike often as I can.
I don't feel particularly steady on a bicycle, but I'm willing to try
again. My knees are fine so moderate jogging around an artificially
surfaced track will work.
mainframetech
2017-05-16 14:47:10 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
Post by Mo Onions
Post by mainframetech
Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.
I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.

Chris
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If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
mainframetech
2017-05-16 23:04:43 UTC
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
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If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
LOL! It won't happen, I found the magic elixir! I'll be here to bug you the rest of your life, no matter how short it will be...:)

Chris
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
LOL! It won't happen, I found the magic elixir!
If your track record on CoQ10 is any indication, you're in deep doo
doo.

The evidence supporting CoQ10 for heart health is skimpy at best.
And Big Pharma (Pharma Nord) is behind the hype, something you
conveniently ignored.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coenzyme-q10-for-heart-failure-the-hype-and-the-science/

Bottom line: There is no "magic elixir," except for a snake oil sales
frauds like you.
Post by mainframetech
I'll be here to bug you the rest of your life, no matter how short it will be...:)
Types like you bug no one.
You're a buffoon, and everyone here recognizes your folly.

By the way, the evidence is overwhelming that Lee Harvey Oswald alone
killed JFK.

http://www.posner.com/case-closed/

Lump it.
mainframetech
2017-05-17 22:54:29 UTC
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
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Post by &
On Tue, 16 May 2017 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
LOL! It won't happen, I found the magic elixir!
If your track record on CoQ10 is any indication, you're in deep doo
doo.
The evidence supporting CoQ10 for heart health is skimpy at best.
And Big Pharma (Pharma Nord) is behind the hype, something you
conveniently ignored.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coenzyme-q10-for-heart-failure-the-hype-and-the-science/
Bottom line: There is no "magic elixir," except for a snake oil sales
frauds like you.
LOL! So you think I'm selling something? What brand of product am I selling? Do you even know? Or are you just here to advertise your IQ, which is that of a rock garden.
Post by &
Post by mainframetech
I'll be here to bug you the rest of your life, no matter how short it will be...:)
Types like you bug no one.
You're a buffoon, and everyone here recognizes your folly.
Ah, I can bathe in your worship! Thanks to the lowliest of us all!
Post by &
By the way, the evidence is overwhelming that Lee Harvey Oswald alone
killed JFK.
LOL! I thought you were going to claim credit for that one. Ah well...:)
Post by &
http://www.posner.com/case-closed/
Lump it.
My my! So esoteric! Trying to be one of the cognoscenti? Pretend you know something?

Crawl back under your rock and don't come out unless you have on your fool's cap...:)

Chris
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Post by &
On Tue, 16 May 2017 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
LOL! It won't happen, I found the magic elixir!
If your track record on CoQ10 is any indication, you're in deep doo
doo.
The evidence supporting CoQ10 for heart health is skimpy at best.
And Big Pharma (Pharma Nord) is behind the hype, something you
conveniently ignored.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coenzyme-q10-for-heart-failure-the-hype-and-the-science/
Bottom line: There is no "magic elixir," except for a snake oil sales
frauds like you.
LOL! So you think I'm selling something? What brand of product am I selling? Do you even know? Or are you just here to advertise your IQ, which is that of a rock garden.
What you post on usenet speaks for itself.

You also have pushed Life Extension brand supplements.
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Post by mainframetech
I'll be here to bug you the rest of your life, no matter how short it will be...:)
Types like you bug no one.
You're a buffoon, and everyone here recognizes your folly.
Ah, I can bathe in your worship! Thanks to the lowliest of us all!
Try the adult evening division of your local school distsrict.
Be sure to indicate you need "remedial reading comprehension."
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Post by &
By the way, the evidence is overwhelming that Lee Harvey Oswald alone
killed JFK.
LOL! I thought you were going to claim credit for that one. Ah well...:)
Laughter is not a sign of being correct.
The local jails and psych wards are replete with laughter.
But then, you already know that from personal experience.
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Post by &
http://www.posner.com/case-closed/
Lump it.
My my! So esoteric!
Hardly. It's common vocabularly.
But then you'd know that if your reading skills were up to snuff.
Post by mainframetech
Trying to be one of the cognoscenti? Pretend you know something?
Unlike your nonsense about JFK's demise, Posner's book is based on
facts.
Post by mainframetech
Crawl back under your rock and don't come out unless you have on your fool's cap...:)
Try to stay relevant instead of drifting off into personal attacks.
It doesn't help your credibility.

But then, I doubt there's much you can do to repair the damage you've
caused yourself.

I suggest you get off usenets altogether.
Types like you just waste band width.
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2017-05-18 13:08:35 UTC
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 16:04:43 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
Post by &
On Tue, 16 May 2017 07:47:10 -0700 (PDT), mainframetech
Post by mainframetech
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10 with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
Time for you to croak from failed kidneys.
You're worthless.
LOL! It won't happen, I found the magic elixir!
If your track record on CoQ10 is any indication, you're in deep doo
doo.
The evidence supporting CoQ10 for heart health is skimpy at best.
And Big Pharma (Pharma Nord) is behind the hype, something you
conveniently ignored.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coenzyme-q10-for-heart-failure-the-hype-and-the-science/
Bottom line: There is no "magic elixir," except for a snake oil sales
frauds like you.
LOL! So you think I'm selling something? What brand of product am I selling? Do you even know? Or are you just here to advertise your IQ, which is that of a rock garden.
What you post on usenet speaks for itself.
You also have pushed Life Extension brand supplements.
WRONG again! I've mentioned that I use them to buy some supplements, but I also use GNC and amazon at times. I'm not that particular. So tell us what you use, or are you so wedded to the drug makers that you won't take any vitamins or supplements?
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Post by &
Post by mainframetech
I'll be here to bug you the rest of your life, no matter how short it will be...:)
Types like you bug no one.
You're a buffoon, and everyone here recognizes your folly.
Ah, I can bathe in your worship! Thanks to the lowliest of us all!
Try the adult evening division of your local school distsrict.
Be sure to indicate you need "remedial reading comprehension."
Hmm. Are you having a hard time thinking up your little insults? I'm getting that from you.
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Post by mainframetech
Post by &
By the way, the evidence is overwhelming that Lee Harvey Oswald alone
killed JFK.
LOL! I thought you were going to claim credit for that one. Ah well...:)
Laughter is not a sign of being correct.
The local jails and psych wards are replete with laughter.
But then, you already know that from personal experience.
Yup, I visited you there once when you were held for ranting and raving in public! It was quite a spectacle.
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Post by &
http://www.posner.com/case-closed/
Lump it.
My my! So esoteric!
Hardly. It's common vocabularly.
But then you'd know that if your reading skills were up to snuff.
Post by mainframetech
Trying to be one of the cognoscenti? Pretend you know something?
Unlike your nonsense about JFK's demise, Posner's book is based on
facts.
Post by mainframetech
Crawl back under your rock and don't come out unless you have on your fool's cap...:)
Try to stay relevant instead of drifting off into personal attacks.
It doesn't help your credibility.
Now THAT'S a ROFLMAO for sure!1 You of all the little turds out there come up with that comment!
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But then, I doubt there's much you can do to repair the damage you've
caused yourself.
I suggest you get off usenets altogether.
Types like you just waste band width.
Ah, I think you just gave away your real identity. Some foolish asshole that named himself after a vegetable!

Keep a grip on yourself...for satisfaction, you won't get much from me...:)

Chris
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You also have pushed Life Extension brand supplements.
WRONG again! I've mentioned that I use them to buy some supplements, but I also use GNC and amazon at times. I'm not that particular.
From: mainframetech <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.kidney-disease
Subject: PQQ - Yet Another Compound that Might Help Slow Kidney
Deterioration
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
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Life Extension Foundation in promoting it's supplement sales has
written up a compound they sell that might help slow kidney
deterioration from CKD. It's called PQQ (pyrroloquinoline quinone)
Here are the LEF writeups:

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01500/PQQ-Caps-with-BioPQQ.html
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/feb2011_Generate-Fresh-Mitochondria-with-PQQ_01.htm

There's a study out there somewhere that I can't find at the moment
that describes this action.

I've been trying this concoction from LEF for a couple of
months...:)


From: mainframetech <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.kidney-disease
Subject: Re: PING mainframetech
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
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Hey, Chris! What supplements are you taking and where do you get them?
Thanks
Nick, Here's the list. For specific info on any one of them, just
ask...:)

Self prescribed

L-Arginine (Nitric Oxide) (2000 mg X 2 daily) (timed release)
Vitamin B complex daily (B6, B12, Folic acid) To lower Homocysteine
Centrum multivitamin 1 tablet daily (for trace elements)
Thiamine (B1) 100mg daily
PQQ (Pyrroloquinoline quinone) 10mg daily
Ubiquinol (CoQ10) 100mg daily
Omega-3 fish oil 2000 mg daily as a blood thinner
Vitamin D 2000 IU daily (replaces Zemplar)
Saw Palmetto & Nettle Root 160mg 2X daily

I get them from ... Life Extension Foundation for the rarer ones


From: mainframetech <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes
Subject: Re: total cholesterol to HDL ratio
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 05:59:38 -0700 (PDT)
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Where do you buy your beta sitosterol?
You can get it at LEF.com (Life Extension Foundation)


From: mainframetech <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.kidney-disease
Subject: Re: CFS - The Central Cause: Mitochondrial Failure
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 04:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <b27e3168-de18-4ef6-8f7e-***@googlegroups.com>

I'm not suffering fatigue. But I take a supplement that is supposed
to boost the mitochondria called 'PQQ caps'. (Pyrroloquinoline
Quinone) If you look it up by name, and by 'Mitochondrial Biogenesis'
(on the bottle) you might get an idea of what they do. It comes form
'Life Extension Foundation':
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01500/PQQ-Caps-with-BioPQQ.html?source=search&key=pqq
There is an explanation on that page also.
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
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A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
I have produced a long list of physicians and researchers that say that
lowering cholesterol is useless and foolish. But you refused to look at
the 2 videos of all those doctors, so your mind wouldn't become
contaminated with the truth. There is no backup only for you because of
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
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Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the
problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't
communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Notice he didn't respond to the critique of his initial claim. Sometimes I
believe Chris has lost a great deal of mental ground over the years. One
point is he has always had a great deal of confusion between slanted
contrived and bias reports and actual studies.
I myself would not use statins except to a step so that lifestyle and
dietary changes could be made.
I just quit one and my neck pain is 90% gone.
Cholesterol numbers were in range to that point.
I walk enough but then there's jogging on the horizon.
The dietary change may require no meat.
Other possible remedies: niacin, beta-sitosterol, silymarin.
Also increasing soluble fiber intake (psyllium, flax, chia).
Contamination via supplements is always a potential problem.
If you get talked into taking a statin again, remember to take CoQ10
with it. That's a necessary supplement when taking statins. did your
physician tell you about that? If not he's an ass.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/coenzyme-q10-for-heart-failure-the-hype-and-the-science/

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/coenzyme-q10/evidence/hrb-20059019

These two web pages seems to cast enough doubt.

There is this which pretty much explains why you are hyping it. CoQ10? Over
hyped by a big pharma pushing a small 2013 study...?

Why didn't you even suggest a blood test for CoQ10?

The second web site gives enough to at least wave yellow flags to take
precautions.
--
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John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
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A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
That's right.
I am a shill because you can't produce a shred of evidence to support
your claims.
http://youtu.be/sGIGXfIDaJo
http://youtu.be/AY4eTGMe-EY
First file is - Part 1 – Cholesterol and Saturated fats
Second file- Part 2 – Statin drugs
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Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Start by setting margins for the nonsense you post in usenet.
When you master that, be sure to post an announcement here with I FIXED
MY MARGINS in the subject line.
Until then, rest well.
Since most in other forums are able to read my text just fine, the problem is yours, so you can shove it up your fruity butt! I don't communicate to your orders.
Enjoy the links.
Links to propaganda videos aren't research studies.
When I want to be entertained, I go to Cartoon Network.
Well, you had to have some dumb excuse not to watch the videos. But to straighten you out on your paranoia about propaganda, the videos are of half hour programs that are shown in Australia as a regular weekly program called "Catalyst". They are put together by a doctor name MaryAnne DeMasi, MD. and the program chooses many different subjects in the medical field and presents a program each week. You can verify all that through the internet if your paranoia is that gripping on you.

there are 2 programs, and they are loaded with doctors that express their feeling about the subject matter.
Post by Mo Onions
No one said your text can't be read.
The problem is that your text runs on without margins.
That requires everyone's extra effort in reading it, something
you don't deserve, no matter what life has dealt you by way of
kidney disease.
"EVERYONE" is a false statement. If you were watching the other comments, there were many that read my messages just fine without the running on of a crap news reader. Get Thunderbird and set it properly and you'll be able to avoid the problem you seem to always have with your current one. There are folks in the diabetes forum that can show you how to do the settings.
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Neither has anyone said your text is read "just fine."
They just don't raise the issue because they know you are a miserable
slob who can't be bothered with forum etiquette.
LOL! Poor fellow! You're so frustrated with someone that won't kiss your ass that you are reduced to name calling...:)
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Back in the my bin you go, Bozo.
Few tolerate slobs, not even if they're posting numbers guaranteed
to win in the next lottery drawing.
I'll check on you in a few months.
If your attitude has improved, you'll get out on probation again.
Later.
Please, please, do NOT take me off your killfile. I'd rather not hear from you ever again. I don't suffer fools easily. Especially those I've had to prove wrong due to their paranoia.

Chris
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
I might have known you'd be a reader of fairy stories, AND the National Enquirer.
You're the stupidest fairy I've ever seen.
Post by mainframetech
A shame you've decided to push your had down a hole in the sand...:)
I've previously seen the trash you refer to.
It's not credible.
Hot air, without more, usually isn't.
Ah, I believe we've got another drug company shill here. Hiding out
probably. Nothing but nastiness, no real thinking, just a bundle of
failed old opinions, trying to resurrect himself.
Shill? That would be you Chris.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/

Sorry you are usually better than this nonsense. I somewhat respected you
at one time. You took due diligence when you posted something. Often the
conclusion was debatable. There is no possible use in debating zombie
studies like this. They are biased and slanted by their very design.
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Now's your chance to really let yourself go...Pour out all that hate
for everyone, let it boil out...:)
Sadly Chris this is hot air.
Make no mistake you are wrong in support this type of pseudo science.
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John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and
was applied.
when I want to entertain myself with fairy tales, I turn to The National
Enquirer.
<snip the rest of the nonsense>
Humphries book tended to confound Rates of morbidity and mortality. The
death rate dropped due to improve post infection care, but the actual rate
of infection didn't. The rate of survivors with secondary effects, like
blind-deaf syndrome actually increased. Later in life deaths due to damages
done at initial infection have dropped.
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John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and was applied.
I have actually looked at the figures also, Suzanna Humphries, mangled
numbers and ignored the other things, she often confounded the rate of
incident and rate of mortality.
Post by mainframetech
It turns out that sanitation, letting less people live in a single
apartment, better health care, eating more and different vegetables and
other methods were the deciding factor in clearing up most diseases.
That includes small pox!
Already has been completely debunked Chris within weeks of it being
published.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and was applied.
I have actually looked at the figures also, Suzanna Humphries, mangled
numbers and ignored the other things, she often confounded the rate of
incident and rate of mortality.
Nah, I don't believe that.
Bob must be a demtard.
The demtards are an insane bunch. There is NOTHING logical about them.
They spin, lie and twist everything all the time.
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It turns out that sanitation, letting less people live in a single
apartment, better health care, eating more and different vegetables and
other methods were the deciding factor in clearing up most diseases.
That includes small pox!
Already has been completely debunked Chris within weeks of it being
published.
Mainstream medicine has been debunked as dangerous and expensive.
Not to mention they lie about everything all the time.


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serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."

The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf

Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html





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Many phony excuses have been put forward to keep people doing what is
wanted of them
The numbers don't lie.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/07/anti-vaccine-activists-just-sparked-a-us-states-worst-measles-outbreak-in-decades.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/048519_vaccines_measles_virus_shedding.html
To learn something, try reading "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne
Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk. You'll find that most childhood
diseases were stopped BEFORE the vaccine was developed for them and was applied.
I have actually looked at the figures also, Suzanna Humphries, mangled
numbers and ignored the other things, she often confounded the rate of
incident and rate of mortality.
Nah, I don't believe that.
Look at the numbers yourself, don't take my word for it.
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Bob must be a demtard.
Carole, discovered a new insult she thinks.
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The demtards are an insane bunch. There is NOTHING logical about them.
They spin, lie and twist everything all the time.
Wow you would think she is describing. trump there.
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It turns out that sanitation, letting less people live in a single
apartment, better health care, eating more and different vegetables and
other methods were the deciding factor in clearing up most diseases.
That includes small pox!
Already has been completely debunked Chris within weeks of it being
published.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
Poorly done study with LOTS to question in it.
It appears a repeat of the infamous German study. The study had so many
flaws it was worthless.
Any mailed questionnaire based study already is flaw because the
respondence reply based upon bias. Homeschoolers in the US are not known
for their ability to teach, but because they usually highly misguided people.
If Carole or Bolen had been home-schooled, things might have turned out
better for each?
Bolen is a high school drop out, with a military GED. He took a few
community college classes while collecting from the GI Bill,but never
finished any classes. The GI Bill required had to enroll and take a
specific number of semester hours. In turn they got money for books and
stipend to live on, they could collect for 4 years of schooling after being
discharged. Some even payed other to sit in class for them.
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http://oatext.com/Pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-to-12-year-old-U.S.-children.php
http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/05/pilot-comparative-study-on-the-health-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-6-12-year-old-us-children.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ageofautism+%28AGE+OF+AUTISM%29
Chris
Just so everyone knows the history of this study, here is an article about
the second time this "study" has been retracted.

http://retractionwatch.com/2017/05/08/retracted-vaccine-autism-study-republished/

In the comments section this is said about the retraction article:

"Brian Deer May 9, 2017 at 9:50 am
Introducing these studies, you say that both “surveyed the parents of 666
home-schooled children, 39% of whom were not vaccinated…”

Call me cynical, but I doubt if either figure is correct.

This was a project controlled by a man who showered fawning, sycophantic
praise on a known research cheat, Wakefield, and was promptly rewarded by
anti-vaccine campaigners with money to carry out another of Wakefield’s
ludicrous projects.

The modus operandi, as usual, is to invite parents to offer detailed,
retrospective clinical information about their children, in circumstances
where – boxloads of other research shows – their recollections are both
full of error and thick with motivation.

It’s the purest junk, and I wouldn’t believe a word of it."
--
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John Cleese on Stupidity
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