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Myers-Briggs Personality Type
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kaye
2017-08-02 00:37:44 UTC
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I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.



Kaye
Bob Officer
2017-08-05 06:38:20 UTC
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Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believe in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
--
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John Cleese on Stupidity

Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:

Duncan
2017-08-07 10:16:15 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
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Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.

It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.

I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.

I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.

This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believe in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.

I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.



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Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
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[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
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2017-08-07 19:02:38 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.
The INTJ has no meaning, nitwit. That what many people have tried to
explain to you many times. There is Zero science, no evidence and no
statistics. every company, school or governmental body that has used the
test to deny or promote a person is subject to lawsuits and force
repression of money.

It has totally discontinued as anything other than a parlor game.
Post by Duncan
It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
It isn't thinking for yourself, Carole. You are following a false belief in
something which was shown to be false.
Post by Duncan
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.
That is however, you own confusion of what is mainstream or peer pressure
and what is following a fad. Myers-Briggs was never anything more than a
fad.
Post by Duncan
I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.
I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Seventh Day Adventist? How does that enter into the picture. Red Herring
fallacies don't seem to bother you do they.
Post by Duncan
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.
Or in the US we have Bear and Mountian Lion attacks. Enough so they were a
worry at the youth summer camp I was a director of for 20 years.
Post by Duncan
This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
And that has what to do with the falsity of Myers-Briggs and video? You did
watch the video didn't you?
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believer in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
No Carole either is works and works all the time or it is false. Take a
rock and drop it. It always falls at a rate of 32ft/second^2. That works
all the time here on Earth.
Post by Duncan
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.
Gibberish. Those lines and names are arbitrary. They have no real meaning
and those traits are just as arbitrarily assigned.

There is no skill to do astrology. It is based on a patter and set of cold
reading techniques. The traits are something which all people tend to self
identify as being themselves.
Post by Duncan
I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.
It isn't just not accepted by mainstream science, it has been shown to be
false and without meaning, time and time again.

Fortune telling, palmistry, astrology, psychic healing, radionics and a
long list of other types of fakery have all been at one time or another
parts of a confidence game or scam, used to take money from the rubes.

To defend scams, lies and cheats means either you have been scammed
yourself and are in denial, or you are one of those scammers. Carole, which
is it? Are you in denial or are you a scammer, Carole?
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
Duncan
2017-08-08 08:55:15 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.
The INTJ has no meaning, nitwit. That what many people have tried to
explain to you many times. There is Zero science, no evidence and no
statistics. every company, school or governmental body that has used the
test to deny or promote a person is subject to lawsuits and force
repression of money.
It has totally discontinued as anything other than a parlor game.
Whatever bob.
But who says myer-briggs has no meaning?
Who says astrology does't work, who says homeopathy is a load of crap?

Furthermore, who says Assad has to go?
Who says that pharmaceutical drugs are safe and efficacious?

What you're talking about here is "expert opinion" bought and paid for
by corporations.
The world is run by corporations who make money from pharmaceutical
drugs, war, electricity, gas etc.

There are alternatives, but they are all suppressed.
So guess who is the nitwit here bob?

That's right, it is the ESTJ who sucks up to the establishment and
goes along with mainstream misinformation.
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Post by Duncan
It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
It isn't thinking for yourself, Carole. You are following a false belief in
something which was shown to be false.
Shown to be false by who or whom?
The world run by corporations who also run the government - they pay
big money to get politicians into power who are then beholden to the
corporations.

Is that democracy?
Hardly.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.
That is however, you own confusion of what is mainstream or peer pressure
and what is following a fad. Myers-Briggs was never anything more than a
fad.
Says who bob?
Mainstream aka that which corporations support?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.
I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Seventh Day Adventist? How does that enter into the picture. Red Herring
fallacies don't seem to bother you do they.
What it means bob, is that people need to think for themselves, and
not be subject to prevailing news stories which influence opinion.
The mass media likes to sell lots of newspapers and so they make up
stuff that sounds sensational and fascinating, but not necessarily
true.
Its all entertainment not news.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.
Or in the US we have Bear and Mountian Lion attacks. Enough so they were a
worry at the youth summer camp I was a director of for 20 years.
But the point is the dingo being dangerous was suppressed, in order to
support the tourism industry. Since then there have been other
accounts of dingos stalking children.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
And that has what to do with the falsity of Myers-Briggs and video? You did
watch the video didn't you?
No.
I am happy with the myer-briggs type testing.
No doubt there are people who dismiss it and call it rubbish but it
works for me.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believer in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
No Carole either is works and works all the time or it is false. Take a
rock and drop it. It always falls at a rate of 32ft/second^2. That works
all the time here on Earth.
Maybe it works all the time, but some cases are more complicated than
others. If you get an astrology sign that is extroverted for example,
it can be moderated by one that is is introverted and people have more
than one star sign impacting on the final reading.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.
Gibberish. Those lines and names are arbitrary. They have no real meaning
and those traits are just as arbitrarily assigned.
Tell that to a chinese astrologer.
Post by Bob Officer
There is no skill to do astrology. It is based on a patter and set of cold
reading techniques. The traits are something which all people tend to self
identify as being themselves.
There is no skill in medicine - it is just which drug can be used for
which condition - the newer drugs are supposedly better although more
expensive.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.
It isn't just not accepted by mainstream science, it has been shown to be
false and without meaning, time and time again.
By who or whom bob?
There are people who would disagree with you on that.
Post by Bob Officer
Fortune telling, palmistry, astrology, psychic healing, radionics and a
long list of other types of fakery have all been at one time or another
parts of a confidence game or scam, used to take money from the rubes.
Just like pharmaceutical medicine.
Post by Bob Officer
To defend scams, lies and cheats means either you have been scammed
yourself and are in denial, or you are one of those scammers. Carole, which
is it? Are you in denial or are you a scammer, Carole?
Who is in denial bob ... you or me?
You can't prove that mainstream medicine is better than alternative -
except for the fact that mainstream is said to be better to "experts"
which are those chosen and promoted, but not impartially.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
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">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
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you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
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Whatever bob.
But who says myer-briggs has no meaning?
Who says astrology does't work, who says homeopathy is a load of crap?
Basically, ALL smart people, which, of course, leaves YOU out.
Bob Officer
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Post by Duncan
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:02:38 -0700, Bob Officer
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Post by Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.
The INTJ has no meaning, nitwit. That what many people have tried to
explain to you many times. There is Zero science, no evidence and no
statistics. every company, school or governmental body that has used the
test to deny or promote a person is subject to lawsuits and force
repression of money.
It has totally discontinued as anything other than a parlor game.
Whatever bob.
But who says myer-briggs has no meaning?
Court, math, science.. you name it there is no science, data, or,evidence
which supports it. EMployees, student and a host of people are lining up to
sue reclaiming lost promotions, wages and in some cases forcing schools to
admit them to medical and law schools.
Post by Duncan
Who says astrology does't work, who says homeopathy is a load of crap?
Science, math and evidence. It is in California still listed on most laws
as a fraudulent art. It is usually just another change added to fraud. The
only time it isn't a crime if astrology is invoked as a religious ritual no
then it is still on shaky ground.
Post by Duncan
Furthermore, who says Assad has to go?
Not me.
Post by Duncan
Who says that pharmaceutical drugs are safe and efficacious?
Usually the evidence and data says so.
Post by Duncan
What you're talking about here is "expert opinion" bought and paid for
by corporations.
Not really. I was never paid to read or review opinions. Or to voice my own
opinions. and other than cleaning, your expertise is what again? What high
school or college level course work have you taken and completed? What sort
of continuing education have you had?
Post by Duncan
There are alternatives, but they are all suppressed.
How do you know they are suppress. The definition of suppression means you
don't know and can't know about them.
Post by Duncan
So guess who is the nitwit here bob?
That would be you, Carole.
Post by Duncan
That's right, it is the ESTJ who sucks up to the establishment and
goes along with mainstream misinformation.
Myers-Briggs is without meaning. The web page even states that it is
meaningless.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
It isn't thinking for yourself, Carole. You are following a false belief in
something which was shown to be false.
Shown to be false by who or whom?
Myers-Briggs themselves state it has no real meaning. Or do you not
understand the fine print on their web page which states anyone can pick
their own types.
Post by Duncan
The world run by corporations who also run the government - they pay
big money to get politicians into power who are then beholden to the
corporations.
Is that democracy?
Then you must be unaware that the US is a "Constitutional Republic", with a
democratically elected representative form of government. Who ever stated
we were a Democracy is wrong.
Post by Duncan
Hardly.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.
That is however, you own confusion of what is mainstream or peer pressure
and what is following a fad. Myers-Briggs was never anything more than a
fad.
Says who bob?
There own web page.
Post by Duncan
Mainstream aka that which corporations support?
Mainstream used to support Myers-Briggs as a method to sort people and
enforce an ugly form of bigotry. Now it is exposed as false and evil as any
other type of bigotry.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.
I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Seventh Day Adventist? How does that enter into the picture. Red Herring
fallacies don't seem to bother you do they.
What it means bob, is that people need to think for themselves, and
not be subject to prevailing news stories which influence opinion.
No, Carole why did you feel it was significant or necessary to mention
Seventh Day Adventist?
Your the person following blindly.
Post by Duncan
The mass media likes to sell lots of newspapers and so they make up
stuff that sounds sensational and fascinating, but not necessarily
true.
Its all entertainment not news.
Fox News just like all Murdoch outlets is nothing but entertainment.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.
Or in the US we have Bear and Mountian Lion attacks. Enough so they were a
worry at the youth summer camp I was a director of for 20 years.
But the point is the dingo being dangerous was suppressed, in order to
support the tourism industry. Since then there have been other
accounts of dingos stalking children.
No fooling.

All through popular camp ground in the western US are warnings about bears
and mountain lions, and where appropriate wolves. Beaches have warnings of
sharks rip tide and high waves.

Warnings will not hurt tourism.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
And that has what to do with the falsity of Myers-Briggs and video? You did
watch the video didn't you?
No.
Then when are commenting?

It is not unusual for you to make comments without reading articles, books
or watching videos. So you really do not understand what is or isn't said,
do you Carole?

You argue from utter ignorance and shear stupidity.
Post by Duncan
I am happy with the myer-briggs type testing.
That doesn't not come as a surprise. Maybe if you watch the video you
wouldn't, but it is just another facet of your unshakable belief system,
built upon lies and falsehoods and to which you steadfastly adhere with
your blinkers on like a horse running over a cliff.
Post by Duncan
No doubt there are people who dismiss it and call it rubbish but it
works for me.
Myers-Briggs doesn't work at all. And like Kruger and Dunning as well as
John Cleese you are just to ignorant to understand just how ignorant you
are. The refusal of even looking at anything which might make you question
your belief system, make you the "Yes Man", Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believer in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
No Carole either is works and works all the time or it is false. Take a
rock and drop it. It always falls at a rate of 32ft/second^2. That works
all the time here on Earth.
Maybe it works all the time, but some cases are more complicated than
others. If you get an astrology sign that is extroverted for example,
it can be moderated by one that is is introverted and people have more
than one star sign impacting on the final reading.
"Signs" can not be extrovert, that is a human personality trait, not a
arbitrary place line in the sky.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.
Gibberish. Those lines and names are arbitrary. They have no real meaning
and those traits are just as arbitrarily assigned.
Tell that to a chinese astrologer.
I have and they will agree.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
There is no skill to do astrology. It is based on a patter and set of cold
reading techniques. The traits are something which all people tend to self
identify as being themselves.
There is no skill in medicine - it is just which drug can be used for
which condition - the newer drugs are supposedly better although more
expensive.
There you are wrong, differential diagnosis, reading X-rays or test results
takes skill; setting bones; surgery is a skill; delivery of a baby as well
as dealing with the results of the birth or a difficult birth is a
skill;.Even suturing a wound shut takes a skill. It is not just which
prescription to write or even what tests to order.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.
It isn't just not accepted by mainstream science, it has been shown to be
false and without meaning, time and time again.
By who or whom bob?
Scientist and even astrologers themselves.
Post by Duncan
There are people who would disagree with you on that.
Have them bring out their data for examination.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Fortune telling, palmistry, astrology, psychic healing, radionics and a
long list of other types of fakery have all been at one time or another
parts of a confidence game or scam, used to take money from the rubes.
Just like pharmaceutical medicine.
Most medicines do work.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
To defend scams, lies and cheats means either you have been scammed
yourself and are in denial, or you are one of those scammers. Carole, which
is it? Are you in denial or are you a scammer, Carole?
Who is in denial bob ... you or me?
You, that's why you refuse to watch the video. It discusses the history of
the Myers-Briggs test.
Post by Duncan
You can't prove that mainstream medicine is better than alternative -
except for the fact that mainstream is said to be better to "experts"
which are those chosen and promoted, but not impartially.
Alternative doesn't work at all. Most claims of it working is based on the
results of self limiting conditions. How is your non-self limiting foot
fungus Carole. You been trying to cure it for years, but all you do is
suppress the symptoms.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
kaye
2017-08-09 02:52:22 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:02:38 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.
The INTJ has no meaning, nitwit. That what many people have tried to
explain to you many times. There is Zero science, no evidence and no
statistics. every company, school or governmental body that has used the
test to deny or promote a person is subject to lawsuits and force
repression of money.
It has totally discontinued as anything other than a parlor game.
Whatever bob.
But who says myer-briggs has no meaning?
Who says astrology does't work, who says homeopathy is a load of crap?
Furthermore, who says Assad has to go?
Who says that pharmaceutical drugs are safe and efficacious?
What you're talking about here is "expert opinion" bought and paid for
by corporations.
The world is run by corporations who make money from pharmaceutical
drugs, war, electricity, gas etc.
There are alternatives, but they are all suppressed.
So guess who is the nitwit here bob?
That's right, it is the ESTJ who sucks up to the establishment and
goes along with mainstream misinformation.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
It isn't thinking for yourself, Carole. You are following a false belief in
something which was shown to be false.
Shown to be false by who or whom?
The world run by corporations who also run the government - they pay
big money to get politicians into power who are then beholden to the
corporations.
Is that democracy?
Hardly.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.
That is however, you own confusion of what is mainstream or peer pressure
and what is following a fad. Myers-Briggs was never anything more than a
fad.
Says who bob?
Mainstream aka that which corporations support?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.
I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Seventh Day Adventist? How does that enter into the picture. Red Herring
fallacies don't seem to bother you do they.
What it means bob, is that people need to think for themselves, and
not be subject to prevailing news stories which influence opinion.
The mass media likes to sell lots of newspapers and so they make up
stuff that sounds sensational and fascinating, but not necessarily
true.
Its all entertainment not news.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.
Or in the US we have Bear and Mountian Lion attacks. Enough so they were a
worry at the youth summer camp I was a director of for 20 years.
But the point is the dingo being dangerous was suppressed, in order to
support the tourism industry. Since then there have been other
accounts of dingos stalking children.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
And that has what to do with the falsity of Myers-Briggs and video? You did
watch the video didn't you?
No.
I am happy with the myer-briggs type testing.
No doubt there are people who dismiss it and call it rubbish but it
works for me.
How does it "work for you" exactly? It seems to me it only gives you a
false sense of self importance. Even if the Myers-Briggs were, in fact,
legitimate, it wouldn't matter in regards to you because have a reading
comprehension problem and never excelled in school.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believer in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
No Carole either is works and works all the time or it is false. Take a
rock and drop it. It always falls at a rate of 32ft/second^2. That works
all the time here on Earth.
Maybe it works all the time, but some cases are more complicated than
others. If you get an astrology sign that is extroverted for example,
it can be moderated by one that is is introverted and people have more
than one star sign impacting on the final reading.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.
Gibberish. Those lines and names are arbitrary. They have no real meaning
and those traits are just as arbitrarily assigned.
Tell that to a chinese astrologer.
Post by Bob Officer
There is no skill to do astrology. It is based on a patter and set of cold
reading techniques. The traits are something which all people tend to self
identify as being themselves.
There is no skill in medicine - it is just which drug can be used for
which condition - the newer drugs are supposedly better although more
expensive.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.
It isn't just not accepted by mainstream science, it has been shown to be
false and without meaning, time and time again.
By who or whom bob?
There are people who would disagree with you on that.
Post by Bob Officer
Fortune telling, palmistry, astrology, psychic healing, radionics and a
long list of other types of fakery have all been at one time or another
parts of a confidence game or scam, used to take money from the rubes.
Just like pharmaceutical medicine.
Post by Bob Officer
To defend scams, lies and cheats means either you have been scammed
yourself and are in denial, or you are one of those scammers. Carole, which
is it? Are you in denial or are you a scammer, Carole?
Who is in denial bob ... you or me?
You can't prove that mainstream medicine is better than alternative -
except for the fact that mainstream is said to be better to "experts"
which are those chosen and promoted, but not impartially.
Kaye
Bob Officer
2017-08-15 18:18:37 UTC
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Post by kaye
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 12:02:38 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 23:38:20 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by kaye
I thought this was an interesting video about Myers-Briggs personality
testing. Especially since someone here keeps bragging about her so call
personality type. This video goes into the history behind the test. Who
crafted it and who refined it to the test we see today.
http://youtu.be/_NQqSnkI32A
Kaye
Bragging? I guess after years of being told I'm different and don't
fit in with the majority, it is good to understand why.
The INTJ is an independent thinker, unlike the majority who go along
with mainstream or peer thinking.
The INTJ has no meaning, nitwit. That what many people have tried to
explain to you many times. There is Zero science, no evidence and no
statistics. every company, school or governmental body that has used the
test to deny or promote a person is subject to lawsuits and force
repression of money.
It has totally discontinued as anything other than a parlor game.
Whatever bob.
But who says myer-briggs has no meaning?
Who says astrology does't work, who says homeopathy is a load of crap?
Furthermore, who says Assad has to go?
Who says that pharmaceutical drugs are safe and efficacious?
What you're talking about here is "expert opinion" bought and paid for
by corporations.
The world is run by corporations who make money from pharmaceutical
drugs, war, electricity, gas etc.
There are alternatives, but they are all suppressed.
So guess who is the nitwit here bob?
That's right, it is the ESTJ who sucks up to the establishment and
goes along with mainstream misinformation.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
It is ok to think for yourself, nothing wrong with it.
It isn't thinking for yourself, Carole. You are following a false belief in
something which was shown to be false.
Shown to be false by who or whom?
The world run by corporations who also run the government - they pay
big money to get politicians into power who are then beholden to the
corporations.
Is that democracy?
Hardly.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Rather than going along with mainstream or peer group pressure.
That is however, you own confusion of what is mainstream or peer pressure
and what is following a fad. Myers-Briggs was never anything more than a
fad.
Says who bob?
Mainstream aka that which corporations support?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I recall when I was younger there was this big debate on over the
Lindy Chamberlain case. This was where the chamberlains went camping
with their children and a dingo took the baby out of their tent.
There was a lot of controversy over whether a dingo would do such a
thing or whether in fact Lindy had killed the baby herself and blamed
it on a dingo.
I remember at the time not knowing what to think - first listening to
one side or the argument then another. Plus there were various rumours
that she dressed the baby in black and that it was a sacrifice to god
(the chamberlains were seventh day adventists and he was a chaplain).
Seventh Day Adventist? How does that enter into the picture. Red Herring
fallacies don't seem to bother you do they.
What it means bob, is that people need to think for themselves, and
not be subject to prevailing news stories which influence opinion.
The mass media likes to sell lots of newspapers and so they make up
stuff that sounds sensational and fascinating, but not necessarily
true.
Its all entertainment not news.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Also people said Lindy had evil eyes. Well she was tried and sent to
prison, released after serving time. But in the end she was pardoned
because it came out that nobody wanted to talk about how dingos would
eat babies because it would hurt the tourism industry.
Or in the US we have Bear and Mountian Lion attacks. Enough so they were a
worry at the youth summer camp I was a director of for 20 years.
But the point is the dingo being dangerous was suppressed, in order to
support the tourism industry. Since then there have been other
accounts of dingos stalking children.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
This is how rumour and innuendo, and all sorts of silliness influence
public opinion. These days I think things through for myself rather
than listen to all the differing rumours, and I have my reasons why I
hold a view rather than merely listening to others.
Nothing wrong with being an independent thinker, except if you are
into groupthink..
And that has what to do with the falsity of Myers-Briggs and video? You did
watch the video didn't you?
No.
I am happy with the myer-briggs type testing.
No doubt there are people who dismiss it and call it rubbish but it
works for me.
How does it "work for you" exactly? It seems to me it only gives you a
false sense of self importance. Even if the Myers-Briggs were, in fact,
legitimate, it wouldn't matter in regards to you because have a reading
comprehension problem and never excelled in school.
It not only gives her a false sense of self importance, it gives her a
false sense of of superiority.

Face it she is even afraid of watching a sort video which might challenge
her views and beliefs. She is hiding from facts and afraid to face them.
This illustrates that either Myers-Briggs is wrong or that Carole is lying
about her personality type.

Myers-Briggs is based upon an false assumption that personality is a fix at
birth part of your make-up. It is immutable and unchanging. There is ample
evidence that Myers-Briggs is at least a false test of personality because
about 30% of all people retaking the test end up with very different
Myers-Briggs types.

The actual fact is there is ZERO evidence that Myers-Briggs assessments
measure any real part of personality in any meaningful way.

There was a famous case of a student which applied for medical school in
California. He was fully qualified academically and scored in the upper 5%
on the medical school admission test. He seemed to be a shoe-in for 1 of
the 25 open slots in the next class. Her only had to pass the interview.
Prior to the interview he was given the MBTI by a fully certified
"counselor". The "counselor" used to the results of the test to drop the
person from the medical school program, on the grounds his "personality
type" was wrong for the field of study.

So instead of getting admitted to medical school, he went to law school.
Years later after graduating with honors from law school, he and group of
other which had been denied school of there choice and were academically
qualified sued the University of California and the owners of MBTI. The
result after litigation he was found to have been wronged by a unlawful
admissions process. The University was order to stop,using the MBTI in
screening for admissions, and IIRC there was a judgement made against the
organization which owned and published the MBTI as well as a finding that
the MBTI was advertised as a false personality diagnosing tool, because
there was no no basis in evidence that it measured anything in any or
reliable way.

Since that time Myers-Briggs changed only a statement about challenging the
results of the test with language if you didn't like the result pick what
ever results you want.

That is a open admission of measuring nothing.

While Carole overly proud of her assigned "personality type", she has done
nothing to live up to that personality type at all. She has remained
ignorant and refused to learn the tools which that personality type could
use in any endeavor. She is the nothing more artist which paints with a
brush using no pigment, and no paper. She is the emperor which sews her
garments using no cloth. Carole is clad in the garb of ignorance.
Post by kaye
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Adam spoils everything is accurate.
Jung was a believer in astrology. You can't get much more phony than that.
Astrology works to a point.
No Carole either is works and works all the time or it is false. Take a
rock and drop it. It always falls at a rate of 32ft/second^2. That works
all the time here on Earth.
Maybe it works all the time, but some cases are more complicated than
others. If you get an astrology sign that is extroverted for example,
it can be moderated by one that is is introverted and people have more
than one star sign impacting on the final reading.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I have picked people who are Leos for example.
And when I lived in Darwin I rang into a lot of Geminis, which I have
never done in any other place I lived.
The Leos, Saggitarians and Aries are the fire signs and these people
are usually pretty outgoing and can be wild and daring more than
others. Whereas the water signs are generally more placid.
A person's zodiac sign can be varied by the time of day and the
chinese year they are born. The chinese zodiac also has 12 characters
which relate to the 12 western zodiac signs - eg Aries is the Dragon
in chinese zodiac, Taurus is the snake, gemini is the horse and so on.
But each one is given a personity similar to western zodiac. Chinese
signs are repeated every 12 years but each 12-year cycle has a
different element such as water, fire, wood, water and earth. So each
sign only repeats every 60 years (12 x 5).
How well astrology works depends on the skill of the person who does
the reading. There are positive aspects as well as negative ones for
each sign.
Gibberish. Those lines and names are arbitrary. They have no real meaning
and those traits are just as arbitrarily assigned.
Tell that to a chinese astrologer.
Post by Bob Officer
There is no skill to do astrology. It is based on a patter and set of cold
reading techniques. The traits are something which all people tend to self
identify as being themselves.
There is no skill in medicine - it is just which drug can be used for
which condition - the newer drugs are supposedly better although more
expensive.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I don't think its phony - just not accepted by mainstream science.
Anything not accepted by mainstream science is written off as phony or
woo.
It isn't just not accepted by mainstream science, it has been shown to be
false and without meaning, time and time again.
By who or whom bob?
There are people who would disagree with you on that.
Post by Bob Officer
Fortune telling, palmistry, astrology, psychic healing, radionics and a
long list of other types of fakery have all been at one time or another
parts of a confidence game or scam, used to take money from the rubes.
Just like pharmaceutical medicine.
Post by Bob Officer
To defend scams, lies and cheats means either you have been scammed
yourself and are in denial, or you are one of those scammers. Carole, which
is it? Are you in denial or are you a scammer, Carole?
Who is in denial bob ... you or me?
You can't prove that mainstream medicine is better than alternative -
except for the fact that mainstream is said to be better to "experts"
which are those chosen and promoted, but not impartially.
Kaye
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
2017-08-09 03:14:34 UTC
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