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Why are all the posts to misc.health.alternative newsgroup not showing, when other newsgroups ok?1 expert reply
I can post to misc.health.alternative newsgroup using a newsreader other than google, but when I go to google newsgroup misc.health.alternative there are no posts. It says something to the effect that post removed due to abuse - but there are no posts at all although this is an active newsgroup with regular postings on a daily basis.

What is causing this and how to fix it please?
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I think this is the closest thing to a Google Groups support forum these days:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business

We deal with websites in search, sorry.
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Chris Hunt
8/25/15
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They're there, but only in homeopathic amounts. It's more powerful that way.
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I think this is the closest thing to a Google Groups support forum these days:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business

We deal with websites in search, sorry.

https://support.google.com/webmasters/forum/AAAA2Jdx3sU5hGqyeAfOtk/?hl=en

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Why are all the posts to misc.health.alternative newsgroup not showing, when other newsgroups ok?1 expert reply
I can post to misc.health.alternative newsgroup using a newsreader other than google, but when I go to google newsgroup misc.health.alternative there are no posts. It says something to the effect that post removed due to abuse - but there are no posts at all although this is an active newsgroup with regular postings on a daily basis.
Big pharma spends a lot of money trying to suppress alternative
medicine, what it sees as competition.

It is no surprise that google newsgroups don't support alternative
medicine. They use different pretexts such as alternative is
dangerous, it is unauthorised by mainstream etc, same as they use
different pretexts for ongoing war, fracking, pollution of our
groundwater and other such things.

Always an alternative explanation to suck people in.
Anybody who has ever done debating will realise there are two sides to
every story. Now if you can get all the experts to go along with your
story (right or wrong) you get a lot of people taking you seriously.
They pay the "experts" to put out a story favourable to their cause,
they fire or downgrade anybody who counters their story
(whistleblowers etc). Mainstream media pays a lot of the advertising
so msm has to go along with big pharma.

You should get a newsreader such as Agent and not depend on google.

--
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing


"The U.S. government does not study anything holistically. Everything
is studied in isolation from all else."
-- The Open-Source Everything Manifesto: Transparency, Truth, and
Trust (Manifesto Series) by Robert David Steele
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/05/robert-steele-at-libtechnyc-the-open-source-everything-manifesto/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/07/the-origin-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling/
"From an early age, we are forced into a mandatory school system that
requires and encourages youth to attend for a large portion of their
human life, for six hours a day. Each child is required to learn the
accepted version of reality in order to fit into the specific mold
desired by the elite. Just like television, a large part of school is
simply programming. It’s ironic how the same families behind the
funding are responsible for many inhumane atrocities that took place
throughout history. They are also behind big oil, big pharma, food and
other industries that are becoming more transparent as of late. Kids
who do not fit into the system and do not resonate with it are usually
labelled and medicated. Essentially, the whole point of school is to
shape the reality of the student."


http://www.collective-evolution.com/2009/09/20/understanding-vs-memorization/
" ...if we were really taught to critically think do you think we
would have the systems we have in place now? Our financial system? Our
health system and its corruption? Events like 9/11? Religions? Even
our education system for that matter. If we were actually taught to
critically think, education as we know it would collapse on itself and
a new system would be built. If we were actually taught to critically
think, the powers at be would not have the control they do now, this
is why we are sent to school from such a young age, and why fear is
used to get us to continue in our later years."

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2009/09/20/understanding-vs-memorization/
"It is important we learn to understand the information we take in and
not simply memorize it, this will allow us to break each piece of
information down to its roots and find the truth or fallacy. It is
evident we rarely do this now by simply looking at the world we live
in. This does not mean we need to be skeptics or pessimists, or try
and logically think everything out, it simply means we should look to
understand our information and FEEL whether is bares truth. We need
not memorize information we receive from authority figures, it is a
choice, one we can all make from here on out."


Circular reasoning, also known as 'Begging the question'
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
eg of Begging the Question
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God [and god never lies]"


Is Big Pharma Addicted To Fraud?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikakelton/2013/07/29/is-big-pharma-addicted-to-fraud/


Patents Over Patients
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/opinion/01moss.html
"We could make faster progress against cancer by changing the way
drugs are developed. In the current system, if a promising compound
can’t be patented, it is highly unlikely ever to make it to market"
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https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business
We deal with websites in search, sorry.
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Chris Hunt
8/25/15
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They're there, but only in homeopathic amounts. It's more powerful that way.
Ben Griffiths
8/25/15
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https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business
We deal with websites in search, sorry.
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2017-07-11 01:27:12 UTC
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BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???


You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.

MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bob Officer
2017-07-11 01:45:39 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:

Clay
2017-07-11 02:49:23 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
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BIG PHARMA
WHAT the FUCK
Troll / Trolls [Fact √]

https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!searchin/misc.health.alternative/Troll%7Csort:relevance
Bob Officer
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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2017-07-13 13:27:39 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole doesn't know that.
Bob Officer
2017-07-16 21:17:49 UTC
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Post by Clay
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole doesn't know that.
There exists a host of things of which Carole has no inkling.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
Clay
2017-07-16 23:59:33 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole doesn't know that.
There exists a host of things of which Carole has no inkling.
Indeed. But she doesn't like anyone telling her that. :-(
Clay
2017-07-13 14:08:33 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Hi Bob!

What'ya doing this summer?

Had any ham radio conversations with anyone from South Korea?

p.s. - How much should a 2" x 2" x 1" cut of polished granite cost?
Bob Officer
2017-07-16 21:17:49 UTC
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Hi Bob!
What'ya doing this summer?
Trying to stay cool.
Post by Clay
Had any ham radio conversations with anyone from South Korea?
Not lately. Did work some south seas island stations and a few European
contacts. I have been playing with a low power/ high speed digital burst
mode called FT-8. Making lots of contacts with less than 5 watts. It took a
bit of figuring out just how to make it work. I reworked the home base
station to be able to remote control via internet, I am about half done
with that project.
Post by Clay
p.s. - How much should a 2" x 2" x 1" cut of polished granite cost?
Check with an outfit that does kitchen counters. They might charge to sand
and polish the edges. A few dollars at best. Most shops sell the pieces
from the sink cutouts to trophy shops. Shouldn't cost more than a few bucks
at the most.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Hi Bob!
What'ya doing this summer?
Trying to stay cool.
Post by Clay
Had any ham radio conversations with anyone from South Korea?
Not lately. Did work some south seas island stations and a few European
contacts. I have been playing with a low power/ high speed digital burst
mode called FT-8. Making lots of contacts with less than 5 watts. It took a
bit of figuring out just how to make it work. I reworked the home base
station to be able to remote control via internet, I am about half done
with that project.
Post by Clay
p.s. - How much should a 2" x 2" x 1" cut of polished granite cost?
Check with an outfit that does kitchen counters. They might charge to sand
and polish the edges. A few dollars at best. Most shops sell the pieces
from the sink cutouts to trophy shops. Shouldn't cost more than a few bucks
at the most.
Thanks! :-)
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2017-07-13 14:46:30 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole isn't up to speed on US news.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole isn't up to speed on US news.
She never was. Everything she posts is years old.
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2017-07-15 16:21:49 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Carole isn't up to speed on US news.
She never was. Everything she posts is years old.
Agreed. Carole doesn't like to be current.
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2017-07-14 00:01:26 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?

If so, I wonder why.
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2017-07-14 01:55:49 UTC
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Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.

Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Clay
2017-07-14 03:42:59 UTC
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Post by Clay
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?

Did you know that there is an American tax-exempt organization called
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M)?

That they have a stated mission of advancing the technological tools
and breakthrough transformations in healthcare that can detect, treat,
and prevent diseases associated with aging?

That they claim 26,000 members across the globe, including physicians,
scientists, and governmental officials?

https://www.a4m.com

https://www.worldhealth.net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
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2017-07-14 06:11:31 UTC
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Post by Clay
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?
NO, I don't. Because *I* have done my homework, meaning MORE than
just reading biased websites SELL snake oil!!

I've known TOO MANY fools who spent WAY TOO MUCH money on that crap,
and it did NOTHING for them. Many ended up dying younger than they
should have, because they TRUSTED the scammers and ignored true
medical professionals.
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U.S. Charges 412, Including Doctors, in $1.3 Billion Health Fraud

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/health-care-fraud.html


The New York Times

U.S. Charges 412, Including Doctors, in $1.3 Billion Health Fraud

Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced Thursday that more than 400 arrests had been made as part of a nationwide crackdown on health care fraud.
JIM LO SCALZO / EUROPEAN PRESSPHOTO AGENCY
By REBECCA R. RUIZ
JULY 13, 2017


WASHINGTON — Hundreds of people nationwide, including dozens of doctors, have been charged in health care fraud prosecutions, accused of collectively defrauding the government of $1.3 billion, the Justice Department said on Thursday.

Nearly one-third of the 412 charged were accused of opioid-related crimes. The health care providers, about 50 of them doctors, billed Medicare and Medicaid for drugs that were never purchased; collected money for false rehabilitation treatments and tests; and gave out prescriptions for cash, according to prosecutors.

Some of the doctors wrote more prescriptions for controlled substances in a single month than entire hospitals wrote in that time, the acting director of the F.B.I., Andrew G. McCabe, said at a news conference in Washington of federal law enforcement and health care officials who announced the prosecutions.

“This event again highlights the enormity of the fraud challenge we face,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said.


Arrests were made nationwide over the course of the last week, the Justice Department said, as part of a Medicare fraud task force established in 2007. The more than 400 prosecutions, a record for the task force, covered years of activity and were spread across more than 20 states.

In one case, prosecutors said, the owner and operator of a drug-treatment center in Delray Beach, Fla., recruited addicts to aid him in his schemes, attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and visiting “crack motels” to persuade people to move to South Florida to help him. He offered kickbacks in the form of gift cards, plane tickets, trips to casinos and strip clubs as well as drugs.

The owner, Eric Snyder, and an associate were charged with fraudulently billing insurance companies for more than $50 million for false treatment and urine tests over nearly five years, the authorities said.

Bruce Alan Zimet, a lawyer for Mr. Snyder, said that his client had been cooperating with investigators since 2014. “We anticipate having additional communications with the government,” Mr. Zimet said, “and we’re hopeful they’ll be listening carefully and evaluating whether this is a case that should go forward or not.”

In New York, a Queens cardiologist was arrested at Kennedy Airport on Thursday and accused of engaging in kickback schemes with medical diagnostic facilities to whom he referred business. In Maine, an office manager was charged with embezzling funds from a medical office. In Connecticut, Indiana, Iowa, Texas and other states, people were charged in schemes involving the distribution of medically unnecessary drugs, including opioids.

Opioid addiction is an escalating public health crisis in America, with drug deaths rising faster than ever. Hydrocodone and oxycodone, two powerful opioids, are among the most commonly abused prescription drugs, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 91 Americans die each day of an opioid-related overdose.


Mr. Sessions has emphasized cracking down on drug crime as a priority, directing the nation’s prosecutors in May to pursue the toughest charges for such crimes, even when they may carry mandatory minimum prison sentences.

Last year, the fraud task force charged 301 people for some $900 million in false billings. Since its creation a decade ago, it has charged more than 3,500 people for what prosecutors said were over $12.5 billion in false billings.

“Thanks to these efforts, fewer criminals will be able to exploit our nation’s opioid crisis for their own gain,” said Tom Price, the secretary of health and human services. He cited the Trump administration’s budget request for a $70 million investment in the health care fraud control program as a sign of its commitment to rooting out such crimes.

“I know we overuse certain words in the lexicon like unprecedented and historic and unique,” said Chuck Rosenberg, acting administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration, who cited an estimated 59,000 deaths from drug overdoses in the United States last year. “But this is an epidemic.”



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/us/politics/health-care-fraud.html
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Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?
NO, I don't. Because *I* have done my homework, meaning MORE than
just reading biased websites SELL snake oil!!
None of *that* addresses the legitimacy of anti-aging medicine as a
bona fide component of evidence-based medicine or the American Academy
of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M).

A-4M's stated mission is to advance the technological tools and
breakthrough transformations in healthcare that can detect,
treat, and prevent diseases associated with aging.

They claim 26,000 members across the globe, including physicians,
scientists, and governmental officials.

That's a very large number who, according to you, are selling snake
oil.

https://www.a4m.com

https://www.worldhealth.net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
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Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?
Did you know that there is an American tax-exempt organization called
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M)?
Do you know how easy it is to get a tax-exemption organization established?
30 years ago when my parents were still alive, they decided to replace some
aging tombstones in the family plots. They needed to have about $25,000. So
we formed a 501c tax exempt organization to raise the money and see the
work done. It took nearly ten years and when we were done, we dissolved the
corporation. There were zero funds left in the account.

Anyway being a tax exempt organization doesn't add any degree of
credibility to it.
Post by Clay
That they have a stated mission of advancing the technological tools
and breakthrough transformations in healthcare that can detect, treat,
and prevent diseases associated with aging?
Ok, that still doesn't make them creditable.
Post by Clay
That they claim 26,000 members across the globe, including physicians,
scientists, and governmental officials?
Wow our little charity only had about 300 members scattered around the
globe.
Post by Clay
https://www.a4m.com
https://www.worldhealth.net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
Ok, but what do you think that could mean?
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Post by Clay
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?
Did you know that there is an American tax-exempt organization called
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M)?
Do you know how easy it is to get a tax-exemption organization established?
30 years ago when my parents were still alive, they decided to replace some
aging tombstones in the family plots. They needed to have about $25,000. So
we formed a 501c tax exempt organization to raise the money and see the
work done. It took nearly ten years and when we were done, we dissolved the
corporation. There were zero funds left in the account.
Anyway being a tax exempt organization doesn't add any degree of
credibility to it.
Post by Clay
That they have a stated mission of advancing the technological tools
and breakthrough transformations in healthcare that can detect, treat,
and prevent diseases associated with aging?
Ok, that still doesn't make them creditable.
Post by Clay
That they claim 26,000 members across the globe, including physicians,
scientists, and governmental officials?
Wow our little charity only had about 300 members scattered around the
globe.
Post by Clay
https://www.a4m.com
https://www.worldhealth.net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
Ok, but what do you think that could mean?
They know some good webpage designers?
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2017-07-18 06:08:10 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:33:48 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Clay
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
If so, I wonder why.
Anyone who says they can extend your life by some simple,
but generally expensive, means is likely a fraud.
Likely here meaning ABSOLUTELY!
Do you have any inkling that it may not be quite as cut and dry as you
seem to pronounce?
Did you know that there is an American tax-exempt organization called
The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (A4M)?
Do you know how easy it is to get a tax-exemption organization established?
30 years ago when my parents were still alive, they decided to replace some
aging tombstones in the family plots. They needed to have about $25,000. So
we formed a 501c tax exempt organization to raise the money and see the
work done. It took nearly ten years and when we were done, we dissolved the
corporation. There were zero funds left in the account.
Anyway being a tax exempt organization doesn't add any degree of
credibility to it.
Post by Clay
That they have a stated mission of advancing the technological tools
and breakthrough transformations in healthcare that can detect, treat,
and prevent diseases associated with aging?
Ok, that still doesn't make them creditable.
Post by Clay
That they claim 26,000 members across the globe, including physicians,
scientists, and governmental officials?
Wow our little charity only had about 300 members scattered around the
globe.
Post by Clay
https://www.a4m.com
https://www.worldhealth.net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
Ok, but what do you think that could mean?
They know some good webpage designers?
Got it in one.

As an aside. I am a board member in several 501c corporations. Most ham
radio clubs are chartered and have tax exempt status. Seriously it costs
over $10,000 to build a multi band repeater system. The the clubs I belong
to each have a repeat system. The system are fairly complex. One club
operates 2 meter, 220 MHz, 440 MHz , and 1.2 MHz interlocked system. The
other club does about the same expect the 1.2 MHz system is an amateur
digital tv.

We have some excellence web designers as club members. A few do it for a
living.
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John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
Lu
2017-07-15 11:41:29 UTC
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Post by Clay
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Post by Bob Officer
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BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
What is anti-aging medicine? Never heard about any anti-aging medicine. Seen
lots of TV commercials touting one cream or another and even procedures. None
of them stop aging, just hides it. Who dreamed up the idea that aging can be
stopped. The only way to stop aging as far as I know is to die.
Post by Clay
If so, I wonder why.
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2017-07-15 16:39:32 UTC
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Post by Clay
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:02:14 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
What is anti-aging medicine? Never heard about any anti-aging medicine.
Here's a quote from what appears to be a legitimate source.

"Anti-aging medicine is an evolving branch of medical science and
applied medicine. It treats the underlying causes of aging and aims at
alleviating any age related ailment. Its goal is to extend the healthy
lifespan of humans having youthful characteristics.

"Conventional and alternative medical disciplines are used in an
integrated approach to achieve the best possible result for the
patient."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2825135/
Post by Lu
Seen lots of TV commercials touting one cream or another and even
procedures. None of them stop aging, just hides it. Who dreamed
up the idea that aging can be stopped. The only way to stop aging
as far as I know is to die.
The "alternative" part of that description quoted above certainly
conjures up images of "snake oil."

The part of that article that appears to describe a bona fide
scientific approach is from the end of the article, quoted below.

"The future will involve manipulating genes, increasing utilization of
stem cells (embryonic and adult) and targeted delivery of nutrients
and drugs using nanotechnology."

The field of anti-aging medicine is not recognized by established
medical organizations, such as the American Board of Medical
Specialties (ABMS) and the American Medical Association (AMA).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine

There are a lot of other issues associated with this field, but it is
interesting to watch, if for no other reason, than to see how
mainstream, evidence-based medicine deals with it.

I see similarities between anti-aging and the controversy
surrounding the Burzynski Clinic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic
Bob Officer
2017-07-16 21:33:49 UTC
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Post by Clay
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:45:39 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
What is anti-aging medicine? Never heard about any anti-aging medicine.
Here's a quote from what appears to be a legitimate source.
"Anti-aging medicine is an evolving branch of medical science and
applied medicine. It treats the underlying causes of aging and aims at
alleviating any age related ailment. Its goal is to extend the healthy
lifespan of humans having youthful characteristics.
"Conventional and alternative medical disciplines are used in an
integrated approach to achieve the best possible result for the
patient."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2825135/
Post by Lu
Seen lots of TV commercials touting one cream or another and even
procedures. None of them stop aging, just hides it. Who dreamed
up the idea that aging can be stopped. The only way to stop aging
as far as I know is to die.
The "alternative" part of that description quoted above certainly
conjures up images of "snake oil."
Yep.
Post by Clay
The part of that article that appears to describe a bona fide
scientific approach is from the end of the article, quoted below.
"The future will involve manipulating genes, increasing utilization of
stem cells (embryonic and adult) and targeted delivery of nutrients
and drugs using nanotechnology."
Most of the stem cell research is not taking place in the US.
Post by Clay
The field of anti-aging medicine is not recognized by established
medical organizations, such as the American Board of Medical
Specialties (ABMS) and the American Medical Association (AMA).
That is telling in and of itself.
Post by Clay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Academy_of_Anti-Aging_Medicine
There are a lot of other issues associated with this field, but it is
interesting to watch, if for no other reason, than to see how
mainstream, evidence-based medicine deals with it.
I see similarities between anti-aging and the controversy
surrounding the Burzynski Clinic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic
Exactly.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
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2017-07-16 21:17:49 UTC
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:02:14 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
It can be often that way. Some the anti aging treatment actual do harm. I
mean people getting stem cell treatments?
Post by Clay
If so, I wonder why.
So many treatments are bogus or have never shown any degree of
effectiveness. Most are simply designed to remove excess funds from your
wallet.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
Clay
2017-07-16 23:57:17 UTC
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Post by Clay
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Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Bingo!
Carole mistakenly believes Trump is draining the "big pharma swamp."
That's why the doctor he appointed to run the CDC was know for operating a
very dubious anti-aging clinic, using many prescription drugs off label?
Is anti-aging medicine considered snake oil?
It can be often that way. Some the anti aging treatment actual do harm. I
mean people getting stem cell treatments?
Post by Clay
If so, I wonder why.
So many treatments are bogus or have never shown any degree of
effectiveness. Most are simply designed to remove excess funds from your
wallet.
That's a good one. LOL!
Mindless Dribble
2017-07-12 00:29:56 UTC
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BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.

To simple?
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.


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2017-07-13 06:13:31 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.

Kaye
Clay
2017-07-13 14:10:28 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
kaye
2017-07-15 00:29:24 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out. Sh has decided she knows more
about human physiology and the illnesses it can experience than trained
medical professionals.
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2017-07-15 10:41:13 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.

Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.

She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
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2017-07-16 01:50:55 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She has, though. She told about her experience with appendicitis and about
having had tonsillitis and asthma. The thing is, when you go to the doctor
and then choose not to follow the advice given why would you expect to get
any relief from said medical conditions? That is what she has said she
does, and then blames the doctor for the fact her condition is not better.
Her words, not mine.

I have no desire to get into a disagreement with you or anyone else here.
Peace
Kaye
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.

There are lots of valid complaints about the single-payer health care
system in Ox.

Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She has, though. She told about her experience with appendicitis and about
having had tonsillitis and asthma. The thing is, when you go to the doctor
and then choose not to follow the advice given why would you expect to get
any relief from said medical conditions? That is what she has said she
does, and then blames the doctor for the fact her condition is not better.
Her words, not mine.
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
Post by kaye
I have no desire to get into a disagreement with you or anyone else here.
That's your prerogative.
I don't avoid honest disagreement.
You misjudge her, as far as I am concerned.
Post by kaye
Peace
And with you as well.
m***@privacy.net
2017-07-16 05:05:34 UTC
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Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
NO ONE can communicate with someone that is unwilling to listen.
Post by Clay
Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
THAT is an opinion with NO evidence.
Post by Clay
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
You can NOT make a paranoid person trust you. EVER!

It's likely DAMNED frustrating for the providers TRYING to treat her.
I feel sorry for THEM, not her.
Clay
2017-07-16 05:43:28 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
NO ONE can communicate with someone that is unwilling to listen.
That's your opinion about her, absent an adequate basis in fact.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Clay
Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
THAT is an opinion with NO evidence.
Lots of evidence that single-payer health care systems under-perform,
compared to multi-payer systems. One has to be willing to look.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Post by Clay
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
You can NOT make a paranoid person trust you. EVER!
You are without adequate basis in fact to judge her mental health, if
you are a qualified mental haalth professional.

There is inadequate evidence in the record to conclude that she is
paranoid.
Post by m***@privacy.net
It's likely DAMNED frustrating for the providers TRYING to treat her.
I feel sorry for THEM, not her.
You don't have any knowledge of what her providers have done, other
than her own statements on the matter.
m***@privacy.net
2017-07-16 07:52:15 UTC
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Post by m***@privacy.net
NO ONE can communicate with someone that is unwilling to listen.
That's your opinion about her, absent an adequate basis in fact.
THAT is based on her MULTI-year presence here and in other groups.

Your denial of it shows you don't have any more valid of an opinon
than she does, and you just WANT to be obstinate and confrotational.
Clay
2017-07-16 18:58:07 UTC
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Post by Clay
Post by m***@privacy.net
NO ONE can communicate with someone that is unwilling to listen.
That's your opinion about her, absent an adequate basis in fact.
THAT is based on her MULTI-year presence here and in other groups.
You have offered no proof from her postings in this ng to support your
claim about her.
Post by m***@privacy.net
Your denial of it shows you don't have any more valid of an opinon
than she does, and you just WANT to be obstinate and confrotational.
Your bloviation doesn't prove what you claim.
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2017-07-16 21:49:49 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
It was more like her failure to understand, and her boneheaded idea that
the doctor is always wrong.
Post by Clay
There are lots of valid complaints about the single-payer health care
system in Ox.
Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
That depends on the model, doesn't it. HMO vs PPO.
One pays a MD a flat rate per patient subscribed as Primary Care. The other
pays usual and standard fees per visit.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She has, though. She told about her experience with appendicitis and about
having had tonsillitis and asthma. The thing is, when you go to the doctor
and then choose not to follow the advice given why would you expect to get
any relief from said medical conditions? That is what she has said she
does, and then blames the doctor for the fact her condition is not better.
Her words, not mine.
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
No it is refusal to follow or listen to advice. She lies to the doctor and
reject prescribe treatment from them.
Take her ankle injury for example. She re injured her ankle a while back,
the initial injury was diagnosed on her part. She as usual over dosed her
self with calcium and other supplements. In time her ankle appeared to be
better until she re injured it. It was when the second injury she sought a
real doctors advice. The doc had X-rays and a scan IIRC. His advice was
some mild pain relief and maybe something to reduce swelling. The injury
was made worst by excessive calcium deposits at the injury site. Much of
the problem was the initial improper treatment of an injury years old.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
I have no desire to get into a disagreement with you or anyone else here.
That's your prerogative.
I don't avoid honest disagreement.
You misjudge her, as far as I am concerned.
Kaye has a larger picture of her, I believe.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Peace
And with you as well.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
It was more like her failure to understand, and her boneheaded idea that
the doctor is always wrong.
Post by Clay
There are lots of valid complaints about the single-payer health care
system in Ox.
Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
That depends on the model, doesn't it. HMO vs PPO.
One pays a MD a flat rate per patient subscribed as Primary Care. The other
pays usual and standard fees per visit.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She has, though. She told about her experience with appendicitis and about
having had tonsillitis and asthma. The thing is, when you go to the doctor
and then choose not to follow the advice given why would you expect to get
any relief from said medical conditions? That is what she has said she
does, and then blames the doctor for the fact her condition is not better.
Her words, not mine.
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
No it is refusal to follow or listen to advice. She lies to the doctor and
reject prescribe treatment from them.
She has to have a few bolts loose.

No sane person who had issues with mainstream medicine would wsste
their time doing that.
Post by Bob Officer
Take her ankle injury for example. She re injured her ankle a while back,
the initial injury was diagnosed on her part. She as usual over dosed her
self with calcium and other supplements. In time her ankle appeared to be
better until she re injured it. It was when the second injury she sought a
real doctors advice. The doc had X-rays and a scan IIRC. His advice was
some mild pain relief and maybe something to reduce swelling. The injury
was made worst by excessive calcium deposits at the injury site. Much of
the problem was the initial improper treatment of an injury years old.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
I have no desire to get into a disagreement with you or anyone else here.
That's your prerogative.
I don't avoid honest disagreement.
You misjudge her, as far as I am concerned.
Kaye has a larger picture of her, I believe.
Unfortuately, a wide angle is required to capture all that is Carole.
:-0
kaye
2017-07-17 22:00:56 UTC
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Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
Actually what she said is that she only goes to the doctor for a diagnosis
then she "works out" what treatment she deems appropriate on her own.
Post by Clay
There are lots of valid complaints about the single-payer health care
system in Ox.
Single-payer systems tend to hide less-than-competent types than
are ordinarily not tolerated in health care systems that offer
competing providers to consumers.
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She has, though. She told about her experience with appendicitis and about
having had tonsillitis and asthma. The thing is, when you go to the doctor
and then choose not to follow the advice given why would you expect to get
any relief from said medical conditions? That is what she has said she
does, and then blames the doctor for the fact her condition is not better.
Her words, not mine.
She refuses their advice because she doesn't trust it.
She's stated as much.
In part, it's their resonsibility to communicate trust.
Post by kaye
I have no desire to get into a disagreement with you or anyone else here.
That's your prerogative.
I don't avoid honest disagreement.
You misjudge her, as far as I am concerned.
Post by kaye
Peace
And with you as well.
Clay
2017-07-18 00:28:59 UTC
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Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
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Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
Well, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Australia has decent
medical care. I'm not sure why you think she was left bewildered.
She's criticized her medical providers for their inability to
communicate, if not more, as I recal.
Actually what she said is that she only goes to the doctor for a diagnosis
then she "works out" what treatment she deems appropriate on her own.
I'm surprised she dosn't consult some "alternative diagnotician"
for that. ;-)
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Has anybody tried myrrh or coconut or lavender oil for candida.
Topically or orally.
Mary
Mary save you self some grief. The use of essential oils is most likely a
great scam built upon fallacies and exaggerated claims.

Read this great article and seek some real medical care by a real doctor.

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/02/02/essential-oils-a-perfect-example-of-alternative-medicine-exaggeration/
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Yep it is me, and Carole believes adding 2+2 can sometimes equal 3 or 5,
and getting wrong answers means you are thinking outside the box.
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Why are all the posts to misc.health.alternative newsgroup not showing, when other newsgroups ok?1 expert reply
I can post to misc.health.alternative newsgroup using a newsreader other than google, but when I go to google newsgroup misc.health.alternative there are no posts. It says something to the effect that post removed due to abuse - but there are no posts at all although this is an active newsgroup with regular postings on a daily basis.

What is causing this and how to fix it please?
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Ben Griffiths
8/25/15
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I think this is the closest thing to a Google Groups support forum these days:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business

We deal with websites in search, sorry.
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Chris Hunt
8/25/15
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They're there, but only in homeopathic amounts. It's more powerful that way.
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I think this is the closest thing to a Google Groups support forum these days:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/apps/google-groups-for-business

We deal with websites in search, sorry.


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Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Yes it does, by her own words. She opted out of treatment after the doctor
advised her of his prescribed treatment.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
After X-rays and scan of her ankle showing damage from previous improperly
self treated injuries, the MD prescribed a course of treatment which Carole
simply stated "she would never follow".
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She rejected the treatment, outright.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
Clay
2017-07-17 00:02:06 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President?
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
She doesn't trust mainstream.
She feels she got left out of the mix.
She didn't get left out. She opted out.
Not necessarily.
Yes it does, by her own words. She opted out of treatment after the doctor
advised her of his prescribed treatment.
Post by Clay
Post by kaye
She has decided she knows more about human
physiology and the illnesses it can experience
than trained medical professionals.
Her experience with Australian national health care
may have left her so bewildered that she really
had little choice but to go looking for alternatives.
After X-rays and scan of her ankle showing damage from previous improperly
self treated injuries, the MD prescribed a course of treatment which Carole
simply stated "she would never follow".
I remember that one now.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
Your assmption is that the medical professionals she
encountered there communicate like the ones here
in the states. That's not a fair assumption.
She's never really opened up with the details of her
medical system encounters in Oz. It is clear, from
what she has stated, that she came away with little
or no confidence in their treatment.
She rejected the treatment, outright.
Disaffected, she is, to say the least.
Lu
2017-07-15 11:47:47 UTC
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Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
All her nyms are perfect descriptions of who and what she is.
Post by kaye
Kaye
kaye
2017-07-16 01:50:55 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by kaye
Post by Mindless Dribble
Post by m***@privacy.net
On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 08:18:18 +1000, Dodgy is as dodgy does
BIG PHARMA is Funding the Media Bashing of Our President…
WHAT the FUCK do you mean "OUR President"???
You DO NOT and NEVER HAVE lived in the United States.
Its a quote idiot.
Post by m***@privacy.net
MORE bullshit about which you KNOW NOTHING, and say even less.
Wrong. Big pharma goes after anybody who threatens their profits.
In this case Trump is questioning vaccinations so he becomes a target.
To simple?
I'm sure you must have meant "too simple". In the case of Trump, though, he
has no medical background and seems just as illiterate as you. The only
difference is his daddy paid for an expensive college education that was
totally wasted money.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Yes for some morons who think that mainstream medicine is absolutely
marvellous and alternatives are useless and dangerous.
When they get legitimately tested and proven, then they get to be called
medicine. Until then, they are just fake treatments.
Post by Mindless Dribble
Mindless Dribble
Just mindlessly spouting more and more meaningless dribble.
You are right in that you are spouting mindless dribble. At least you admit
that about yourself.
All her nyms are perfect descriptions of who and what she is.
LOL
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