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"It is what it is"
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A little knowledge
2017-07-16 17:08:06 UTC
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"It is what it is"

This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.

If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.

Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".

It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.


--
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing


"The U.S. government does not study anything holistically. Everything
is studied in isolation from all else."
-- The Open-Source Everything Manifesto: Transparency, Truth, and
Trust (Manifesto Series) by Robert David Steele
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/05/robert-steele-at-libtechnyc-the-open-source-everything-manifesto/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/07/the-origin-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling/
"From an early age, we are forced into a mandatory school system that
requires and encourages youth to attend for a large portion of their
human life, for six hours a day. Each child is required to learn the
accepted version of reality in order to fit into the specific mold
desired by the elite. Just like television, a large part of school is
simply programming. It’s ironic how the same families behind the
funding are responsible for many inhumane atrocities that took place
throughout history. They are also behind big oil, big pharma, food and
other industries that are becoming more transparent as of late. Kids
who do not fit into the system and do not resonate with it are usually
labelled and medicated. Essentially, the whole point of school is to
shape the reality of the student."



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"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.

That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:

A little knowledge
2017-07-18 23:21:57 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:08:07 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.

Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?


--
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing


Circular reasoning, also known as 'Begging the question'
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
eg of Begging the Question
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God [and god never lies]"


Is Big Pharma Addicted To Fraud?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikakelton/2013/07/29/is-big-pharma-addicted-to-fraud/


Patents Over Patients
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/opinion/01moss.html
"We could make faster progress against cancer by changing the way
drugs are developed. In the current system, if a promising compound
can’t be patented, it is highly unlikely ever to make it to market"







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2017-07-23 21:31:07 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:08:07 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school and
English classes.
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
A little knowledge
2017-07-28 02:54:17 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 14:31:07 -0700, Bob Officer
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Post by A little knowledge
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:08:07 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Appeal to antiquity ... not a valid response.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school and
English classes.
What you're saying is that you don't know.
IOW you admit you support ideas without having a valid reason.

Why aren't I surprised when just about everything you talk about
(except electrical / mechanical) is in the same vein?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
Dunce!

"It is what it is" is a nonsensical comment and means absolutely
nothing.

Same as "I did it because I did" and "I'm a loser because I am".


--
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing


"The U.S. government does not study anything holistically. Everything
is studied in isolation from all else."
-- The Open-Source Everything Manifesto: Transparency, Truth, and
Trust (Manifesto Series) by Robert David Steele
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/05/robert-steele-at-libtechnyc-the-open-source-everything-manifesto/

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/07/the-origin-of-education-and-mandatory-schooling/
"From an early age, we are forced into a mandatory school system that
requires and encourages youth to attend for a large portion of their
human life, for six hours a day. Each child is required to learn the
accepted version of reality in order to fit into the specific mold
desired by the elite. Just like television, a large part of school is
simply programming. It’s ironic how the same families behind the
funding are responsible for many inhumane atrocities that took place
throughout history. They are also behind big oil, big pharma, food and
other industries that are becoming more transparent as of late. Kids
who do not fit into the system and do not resonate with it are usually
labelled and medicated. Essentially, the whole point of school is to
shape the reality of the student."


Circular reasoning, also known as 'Begging the question'
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html
eg of Begging the Question
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God [and god never lies]"


Is Big Pharma Addicted To Fraud?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikakelton/2013/07/29/is-big-pharma-addicted-to-fraud/


Patents Over Patients
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/opinion/01moss.html
"We could make faster progress against cancer by changing the way
drugs are developed. In the current system, if a promising compound
can’t be patented, it is highly unlikely ever to make it to market"








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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 14:31:07 -0700, Bob Officer
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:08:07 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Appeal to antiquity ... not a valid response.
Actually in the mater of colloquialism it is valid.
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I am not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school and
English classes.
What you're saying is that you don't know.
I do know, it is evident you really do not have an grasp on the subject.
Post by A little knowledge
IOW you admit you support ideas without having a valid reason.
With regard to colloquialism, I do have an greater understanding.
Post by A little knowledge
Why aren't I surprised when just about everything you talk about
(except electrical / mechanical) is in the same vein?
Well the technical terminology has some very exact meanings that go beyond
colloquialisms.
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
Dunce!
Why do you say that, because I reference a term which is at least 1500
years old?
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is" is a nonsensical comment and means absolutely
nothing.
It has a deep meaning if your thoughts can go beyond a the piss filled
alley crawling of drunk.

Was that says is you take things at face value.
Post by A little knowledge
Same as "I did it because I did" and "I'm a loser because I am".
That sums you up, "loser".
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ
A little knowledge
2017-07-28 21:56:34 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 23:08:07 -0700, Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
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"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Appeal to antiquity ... not a valid response.
Actually in the mater of colloquialism it is valid.
"It is what it is" is not a logical comment.
The only people who use such a comment is those who have resigned
themselves to life and no longer question anything. Oh but that's how
you became an establishment lackey, right?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I am not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school and
English classes.
What you're saying is that you don't know.
I do know, it is evident you really do not have an grasp on the subject.
You haven't proved you understand the saying, or explained why it is
valid.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
IOW you admit you support ideas without having a valid reason.
With regard to colloquialism, I do have an greater understanding.
But before you can say "it is what it is", you must be able to say
what it is. This is called disambiguation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Disambiguation
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Why aren't I surprised when just about everything you talk about
(except electrical / mechanical) is in the same vein?
Well the technical terminology has some very exact meanings that go beyond
colloquialisms.
"It is what it is" means what?
ie apart from the obvious -- ie a sheep is what it is, an apple is
what it is. What science course did you do where they taught that it
was ok to not explain your terms?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
Dunce!
Why do you say that, because I reference a term which is at least 1500
years old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Is_What_It_Is
" 'It Is What It Is' is an idiomatic phrase ... This is commonly used
in American culture as a response of acceptance to something that
makes little sense or has little to no validity."


Article deals with the phrase nicely
https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/05/02/it-is-what-it-is/

"“It is what it is” is popping up in increasing frequency in everyday
conversation. Sometimes it appears nonsensical; other times, it seems
to be on target and still other times, it feels dismissive. Sometimes
the phrase suggests that there’s no action to be taken when action is
both possible and preferable. Let’s take a look at each one of these
scenarios."


My beef with the phrase is mostly valid - it is often used
inappropriately in a dismissive way, which is annoying.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
"It is what it is" is a nonsensical comment and means absolutely
nothing.
It has a deep meaning if your thoughts can go beyond a the piss filled
alley crawling of drunk.
There's nothing wrong with piss, you must get over that phobia.
Post by Bob Officer
Was that says is you take things at face value.
Sometimes its appropriate to just accept something and move on, but
other times the phrase is inappropriate when further explanation is
required or when action is possible and/ir desirable.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Same as "I did it because I did" and "I'm a loser because I am".
That sums you up, "loser".
--
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing


"The U.S. government does not study anything holistically. Everything
is studied in isolation from all else."
-- The Open-Source Everything Manifesto: Transparency, Truth, and
Trust (Manifesto Series) by Robert David Steele
http://www.phibetaiota.net/2014/05/robert-steele-at-libtechnyc-the-open-source-everything-manifesto/


http://www.collective-evolution.com/2009/09/20/understanding-vs-memorization/
"It is important we learn to understand the information we take in and
not simply memorize it, this will allow us to break each piece of
information down to its roots and find the truth or fallacy. It is
evident we rarely do this now by simply looking at the world we live
in. This does not mean we need to be skeptics or pessimists, or try
and logically think everything out, it simply means we should look to
understand our information and FEEL whether is bares truth. We need
not memorize information we receive from authority figures, it is a
choice, one we can all make from here on out."



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"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Appeal to antiquity ... not a valid response.
Actually in the mater of colloquialism it is valid.
"It is what it is" is not a logical comment.
The only people who use such a comment is those who have resigned
themselves to life and no longer question anything. Oh but that's how
you became an establishment lackey, right?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I am not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school and
English classes.
What you're saying is that you don't know.
I do know, it is evident you really do not have an grasp on the subject.
You haven't proved you understand the saying, or explained why it is
valid.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
IOW you admit you support ideas without having a valid reason.
With regard to colloquialism, I do have an greater understanding.
But before you can say "it is what it is", you must be able to say
what it is. This is called disambiguation.
The event that has taken place in the past. And the past can't be changed.
It also imply this is all we have to work with or the point we must wrk
from, out of context it has very little meaning.
Post by A little knowledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Disambiguation
Post by Bob Officer
Post by A little knowledge
Why aren't I surprised when just about everything you talk about
(except electrical / mechanical) is in the same vein?
Well the technical terminology has some very exact meanings that go beyond
colloquialisms.
"It is what it is" means what?
ie apart from the obvious -- ie a sheep is what it is, an apple is
what it is. What science course did you do where they taught that it
was ok to not explain your terms?
No Carole you still do t understand it, and you keep missing the impact of
the comma you left out.

It is, what it is.
Has a slightly different meaning from "it is what it is".

The meaning is still there: at this point this is the situation as it is.
This is the point in time with we must deal with what we have. Wishing for
a way to change the situation which lead up to this point is fruitless.
Deal with it and move onward.
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Post by A little knowledge
It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
Dunce!
Why do you say that, because I reference a term which is at least 1500
years old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Is_What_It_Is
" 'It Is What It Is' is an idiomatic phrase ... This is commonly used
in American culture as a response of acceptance to something that
makes little sense or has little to no validity."
"It is, What it is"has roots in Western European idioms brought here in the
1700s.
Post by A little knowledge
Article deals with the phrase nicely
https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/05/02/it-is-what-it-is/
"“It is what it is” is popping up in increasing frequency in everyday
conversation. Sometimes it appears nonsensical; other times, it seems
to be on target and still other times, it feels dismissive. Sometimes
the phrase suggests that there’s no action to be taken when action is
both possible and preferable. Let’s take a look at each one of these
scenarios."
My beef with the phrase is mostly valid - it is often used
inappropriately in a dismissive way, which is annoying.
Why is dismissive bad. When playing poker the hand you are dealt fits
perfectly. If you feel your hand is unplayable to a win, fold. If it is
playable play. It is, what it is.
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"It is what it is" is a nonsensical comment and means absolutely
nothing.
It has a deep meaning if your thoughts can go beyond a the piss filled
alley crawling of drunk.
There's nothing wrong with piss, you must get over that phobia.
And you keep telling yourself that crawling around in a drunken state in a
piss filled alley was ok.

I wonder did you co workers just say "it is what it is"?
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Was that says is you take things at face value.
Sometimes its appropriate to just accept something and move on, but
other times the phrase is inappropriate when further explanation is
required or when action is possible and/ir desirable.
I seldom use it because of the ambiguity of it.
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Same as "I did it because I did" and "I'm a loser because I am".
That sums you up, "loser".
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not simply memorize it, this will allow us to break each piece of
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in. This does not mean we need to be skeptics or pessimists, or try
and logically think everything out, it simply means we should look to
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"It is what it is"
This has got to be one of the most asinine sayings ever and totally
meaningless.
If you're trying to get a handle on something and looking at different
angles to get a grip on it ...asking questions ...making hypotheses
and somebody comes up with this saying, it is really annoying.
Only you would be so clueless.
That phrase means. It has already happened and nothing can change what
happen. It is like crying over spilt milk. It also means more
discussion
will not undo what ever happen. Like water under the bridge.
OK, so if somebody is had something bad happen to them, is "it is what
it is" a proper response?
When is this response ever appropriate?
If something has happened should there ever be no explanation?
When would this response ever be satisfactory to an enquirer?
Que sera, sera means the same thing and has been in use for years. That
which happens happens.
Appeal to antiquity ... not a valid response.
Actually in the mater of colloquialism it is valid.
"It is what it is" is not a logical comment.
The only people who use such a comment is those who have resigned
themselves to life and no longer question anything. Oh but that's how
you became an establishment lackey, right?
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Only an idiot would respond to an investigation with "it is what it
is".
Only an idiot would not understand what was said. It happened, nothing
is
going to change what happen. There are no do overs. It is, what it is.
Give an example of when this response is appropriate.
I am not your teacher, this should have been covered in your high school
and
English classes.
What you're saying is that you don't know.
I do know, it is evident you really do not have an grasp on the subject.
You haven't proved you understand the saying, or explained why it is
valid.
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IOW you admit you support ideas without having a valid reason.
With regard to colloquialism, I do have an greater understanding.
But before you can say "it is what it is", you must be able to say
what it is. This is called disambiguation.
The event that has taken place in the past. And the past can't be changed.
It also imply this is all we have to work with or the point we must wrk
from, out of context it has very little meaning.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Disambiguation
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Why aren't I surprised when just about everything you talk about
(except electrical / mechanical) is in the same vein?
Well the technical terminology has some very exact meanings that go beyond
colloquialisms.
"It is what it is" means what?
ie apart from the obvious -- ie a sheep is what it is, an apple is
what it is. What science course did you do where they taught that it
was ok to not explain your terms?
No Carole you still do t understand it, and you keep missing the impact of
the comma you left out.
It is, what it is.
Has a slightly different meaning from "it is what it is".
The meaning is still there: at this point this is the situation as it is.
This is the point in time with we must deal with what we have. Wishing for
a way to change the situation which lead up to this point is fruitless.
Deal with it and move onward.
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It is the nature of science to investigate, analyse and otherwise
discover the nature of things. I just wonder if people who use this
comment to explain things are aware of how idiotic they sound.
One starts by learning what is already known. This is through lectures
and
supporting lab classes where the basic principles are taught and then
put
into use. Before you start exploring you have to learn how to read the
map,
use a compass and dividers.
OK.
Or "it is what it is" can be used to close a topic, no further
questions required or needed -- when in fact there are questions that
need to be asked. Who is saying "it is what it is" and what is their
interest in the topic?
Que sera,sera
Dunce!
Why do you say that, because I reference a term which is at least 1500
years old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Is_What_It_Is
" 'It Is What It Is' is an idiomatic phrase ... This is commonly used
in American culture as a response of acceptance to something that
makes little sense or has little to no validity."
"It is, What it is"has roots in Western European idioms brought here in the
1700s.
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Article deals with the phrase nicely
https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/05/02/it-is-what-it-is/
"“It is what it is” is popping up in increasing frequency in everyday
conversation. Sometimes it appears nonsensical; other times, it seems
to be on target and still other times, it feels dismissive. Sometimes
the phrase suggests that there’s no action to be taken when action is
both possible and preferable. Let’s take a look at each one of these
scenarios."
My beef with the phrase is mostly valid - it is often used
inappropriately in a dismissive way, which is annoying.
Why is dismissive bad. When playing poker the hand you are dealt fits
perfectly. If you feel your hand is unplayable to a win, fold. If it is
playable play. It is, what it is.
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"It is what it is" is a nonsensical comment and means absolutely
nothing.
It has a deep meaning if your thoughts can go beyond a the piss filled
alley crawling of drunk.
There's nothing wrong with piss, you must get over that phobia.
And you keep telling yourself that crawling around in a drunken state in a
piss filled alley was ok.
I wonder did you co workers just say "it is what it is"?
Yes, they said “it is what it is”, nothing is going to change, so they
fired her. :D
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Was that says is you take things at face value.
Sometimes its appropriate to just accept something and move on, but
other times the phrase is inappropriate when further explanation is
required or when action is possible and/ir desirable.
I seldom use it because of the ambiguity of it.
That is what her co-workers did, accepted that Carole was going to continue
smelling like urine and decided to move on without her.

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