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Mark S Probert--Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
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Jan Drew
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"Mark Probert" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stalking and harASSment removed,.
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> Nothing left.

Poor Mark S Probert cannot stand the *truth*

"Jan Drew" <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Mark Probert" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 30, 9:56 am, Muddle <***@epix.net> wrote:
>> Terry Jones wrote:
>> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda
>> > <***@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Apr 28, 11:55 pm, "Sarah V."<***@samael.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child,
>> >> So you say...
>>
>> > Most of the regulars at alt.support.autism are indeed parents /
>> > relatives of autistics, or themselves autistic - why else would they
>> > be here?
>>
>> > The question is, what's *your* connection to autism (if any)?
>>
>> Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the
>> Troll Jan Drew in disguise.
>
> That is something that only a Stephen King fan could come up with. A
> scary thought.
>
> They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Each
> has their own list of problems.
>
> Shall I list your a *some * of your problems, Mark S Probert?
>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
> Subject: Re: NBC Nightly News Segment on overuse of Ritalin
> Date: 1996/07/02
> Message-ID: <4rbm3n$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 163353426
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
> references: <4qs44e$***@news1.infinet.com>
> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit
>
>
> In article <***@news1.infinet.com>, ***@infinet.com (John
> Palmer) writes:
>
>>Er, no. No one, to the extent of my knowledge, has ever been flamed for
> saying that diagnoses should be made carefully and responsibly.USUALLY,
> what happens is someone comes in and INSISTS there is widespread
> overprescription of ritalin and INSISTS that Doctors are being lazy in
> their diagnoses and INSISTS that there are schools with 75% of all
> children on ritalin. <
>
> I asked Josh's school nurse if she could tell me how many kids are on ADHD
> medication (the district requires that all medications be known, as they
> may need to provide medical care in an emergency). Seems that 3% of the
> JHS are on meds.
>
>
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Merrick, New York
>
>
> Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit
> From: ***@aol.com
> Date: 1997/01/03
> Subject: Re: ADD, Teens, Driving
>
> In article <qsxq$***@helping-hands.demon.co.uk>, "Z.L"
>
> <***@helping-hands.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>sounds just like my son. We had his field of vision tested, and it was
>>very limited. No wonder he missed those cars. I refused to go in the car
>>with him and he has had lots of crashes ( minor thank G-d ). We gave him
>>a course of Auditory Integration Training combined with Light Therapy in
>>a two week course of treatment. It is certainly worth considering. As
>>far as I know either treatment is available in the USA but only in the
>>UK is is available as a combined treatment.
>
>
> Hi Z.L.:
> Got any proof that this works, yet?. Can I infer that it does not work
> because you did not mention that it does? Would you go driving with
> someone who is relying on this?
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Long Island, New York
>
> From: ***@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Too Many Side Effects
> Date: 1997/01/02
> Message-ID: <***@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 207379985
> references: <5afra0$***@opengovt.open.org>
> organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit
> x-admin: ***@aol.com
>
>
> In article <5afra0$***@opengovt.open.org>, ***@open.org writes:
>
>>As my girlfriend's eight year old was diagnosed with ADHD at age five,
>>I have been very interesten in learning as much as possible about the
>>disease. I began following the discussions in this group since I
>>learned of its existence just over a year over a year ago. When we
>>first learned of the diagnosis, we, as have many others, became
>>concerned about having him take a mood-altering drug with many side
>>effects. While Ritalin and other amphetamines work well for many
>>people diagnosed with ADHD, the side effects are very undesirable.
>
> You have not read the group at all. Why do you feel it necessary to lie
> like you do? Shame on you.
>
> Any email only response to this message will be made public. This message
> has been posted and mailed.
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Long Island, New York
>
>
>
> Discussion subject changed to "Ranting and Raving" by ***@aol.com
>
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>
>
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> Discussion subject changed to "RX-FART" by ***@aol.com
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>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS?
> Date: 1996/04/26
> Message-ID: <4lqigq$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 151559616
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
> references: <4lntle$***@news.xmission.com>
> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
>
>
> In article <4lntle$***@news.xmission.com>, ***@xmission.com writes:
>
>>Just because I drive a Chevrolet doesn't mean I think like every other
>>person who drives a Chevrolet.
>>
>>
> True for us Chevy owners, but BMW owners all do think alike. All of
> today's BMWs look alike, except for size.
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Merrick, New York
>
>
>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
> Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS?
> Date: 1996/03/02
> Message-ID: <4harau$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 141869140
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
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> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
>
> In article <4h9vfn$***@iac2.ltec.net>, Sharon O'Neil <***@ltec.net>
> writes:
>
>>I also wore one for 12 years and think they're a great idea. I
>>currently teach in the public school system. I don't think that it
>>is an issue of self-expression at all. When I was younger, my
>>public school friends were not wearing shirts that exposed their
>>navels or t-shirts with obscene messages on them. Kids need and
>>want limits.
>
> When I was in school, we were required to wear a shirt with collar, tie,
> and slacks. The young ladies had to choose between dresses or a skirt and
> blouse. I would think that this is enough of a "uniform".
>
> My 12 year old is on a school team. For away games, they must wear a shirt
> and tie and either a jacket or sweater. On these days, he seems to be a
> more peaceful kid.
> ================
>
> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
> From: ***@aol.com (AloysiousX)
> Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT
> Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm
> Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
>
> I have no children, Sistah Jan.
>
> As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah!
>
> AloysiousX
> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
> From: ***@aol.com (AloysiousX)
> Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT
> Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm
> Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
>
> You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty
> clear
> who the coward is.
>
> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
> From: ***@aol.com (AloysiousX)
> Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT
> Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm
> Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
>
> Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast
> implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until
> Sistah Ilena mentioned him.
>
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> From: ***@aol.com (AloysiousX)
> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
> Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
> References: <***@posting.google.com>
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
> Message-ID: ***@mb-m18.aol.com
>
>> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific
>> Standard
>> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you
>> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about
>> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic
>> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in
>> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but
>> I
>> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious>
>> Mark Probert ***@hotmail.com AloysiousX
>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
> Subject: Re: lying ADD stepson
> Date: 1996/05/08
> Message-ID: <4mr0jm$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 153807633
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
> references: <***@emeraldis.com>
> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: alt.support.step-parents
>
>
> In article <***@emeraldis.com>, Timbo <***@emeraldis.com>
> writes:
>
>>I have a 12 year old stepson who has a problem with lying. He will lie
> about
>>anything. He constantly lies about not having homework, and has no
> interest
>>in school. Any time he does something wrong, he tells one lie after
> another
>>to keep himself out of trouble. We tell him that we all make mistakes and
>
>>occasionlly lie, but to continually tell one lie after another is only
> going
>>to get in more trouble. Usually his punishment is being grounded are
> having
>>priveledges taken away
>
> Sounds like my 12 year old. We had the same problems. We backed off on the
> punishment about a year ago and instituted specific rewards for
> truthfulness. We also lessened the amount of punishment and deprivation.
> Instead of giving him a chance to say he has no homework, the school faxes
> me a copy of his HW list daily. Things have gotten better.
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Merrick, New York
>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
> Subject: Re: **Need fast CASH? Here it is!**
> Date: 1996/09/28
> Message-ID: <52j2ku$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 185820786
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
> references: <***@netrover.com>
> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: alt.stupidity
>
>
> In article <***@netrover.com>, Pringles <***@netrover.com>
> writes:
>
>>THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I
>>get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of
>>$23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!!
>
> I sent a copy of your message to the IRS and asked them to collect back
> taxes and send me the 10% bounty. They'll then send the message to the
> USPS as yours is an illegal pyramid scheme and will get you 5 years and
> $10,000 in fines. AND they take your internet access away!
>
>
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Merrick, New York
>
> From: ***@aol.com (MSProbert)
> Subject: Re: Beginning Babysitter
> Date: 1996/04/22
> Message-ID: <4lgasn$***@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 150814229
> sender: ***@newsbf02.news.aol.com
> references: <***@news.iup.edu>
> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
> newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions
>
> In article <***@news.iup.edu>, ***@grove.iup.edu
> (Matthew R. St. John) writes:
>
>>I have a question for you. I am a college student Ealy Childhood
> education
>>major. I did not discover my love for children until right before I
> entered
>>collegeso I did not do a lot of babysitting in my teen years. But now I
> am
>>looking to do that to help with getting experience with young children.
> But
>>how do I get started being that I do not have a lot of refrences, one to
> be
>>precise. So what should I do to get the ball rolling. Any suggestions
> would
>>be welcome.
>
> OT: For What it is Worth
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d4233af27b0d7597
>
> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
> From: Mark Probert <***@lumbercartel.com>
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:44:01 GMT
> Local: Tues, Nov 28 2006 5:44 pm
> Subject: Re: OT: For What it is Worth
>
>
> pmoran wrote:
>> Mark, what gives? These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery
>> .
>> It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that
>> the child care centre was closed down. Why were criminal charges not
>> laid if these accusations were true?
>
>> I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a
>> point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated
>> how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet.
>
>
>> Can you withdraw it?
>
>
>
> Yes, but for a price. Nothing for free any more.
>
> I want peace. I have asked for it, I have lived it. I want peace.
>
>
> I will do whatever is necessary for peace, except give in to Ilena's and
> Jan extortion.
>
> [That was so filled with LIES that you made up, you had it removed from
> Google]
>
>
>
> If you really want to try something really hard, and really rewarding,
> contact the local United Cerebral Palsy center and ask them for a list of
> respite programs, and where you can get some training in working with
> multiply handicapped children. Then become a respite worker (most areas
> have a shortage). Pays better than babysitting in more ways than one.
> Respite workers provide time off for parents of severely disabled
> children.
>
> Father of Josh-12-ADHD and Noah-7-CP.
>
> Mark S. Probert
> Merrick, New York
>
>
>
> It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's
>> not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that
>> with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let
>> it slide or quit cross posting it into alt.support.autism.
>>
>> As for the original posting I whole wholeheartedly agree. I see autism
>> as a neurological difference not a psychological abnormality and it
>> doesn't belong in the DSM VI and I shouldn't have to take my son to a
>> damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve
>> the services he requires and deserves.
>
> Fully agree. Why should you have to do it more than once? I know a
> family where the child could not be serv ed by any state approved
> facility due to a complexity of multiple problems. Only one provided
> could address all and their school district had no problem with that.
>
> Except for the fact that they had to go through the entire process
> year after year.
>
> The Mom in that household was so thankful for a gift of an old
> computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was
> change the dates for the last ten years.
>
>
>
rpautrey2
2009-05-14 16:27:59 UTC
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April 20, 2009

Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM

By Jill Rubolino

In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.




On Apr 27, 10:43 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> April 20, 2009
>
> Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>
> By Jill Rubolino
>
> In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
> disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
> diagnosis and healthcare.  It brings to light some major changes that
> need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
> exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
> provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
> treatment.
>
> In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
> disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
> and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
> proper medical attention.  Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
> our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
> they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
> variation of childhood.
>
> This needs to stop immediately.  It will only stop when parents demand
> competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
> nothing less.  We must no longer listen to the false and
> unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
> uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists.  We must no
> longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
> discredited study, regarding vaccine safety.  When pediatricians site
> their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
> information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
> know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
> ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
> DSM. Period.  It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
> genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
> Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
> abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
> person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
> Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
> not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
> environmental insult, including vaccines.
>
> The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
> not the disorder itself.  But because this medical disorder is caused
> by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
> to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
> such.  No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
> denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.
>
> No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
> disease process unless it is treated medically.  It is a process, that
> left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
> individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
> medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
> treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
> to as gross malpractice.
>
> The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
> embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
> recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
> hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population.  And yet,
> they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
> and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
> deeper and deeper into Autism.  Every parent of an autistic child has
> heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
> they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
> diarrhea,   abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
> relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on.  And they ignore
> us, because they can.
>
> Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
> government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
> That’s right.  Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
> sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
> because the US Federal Government says so.  Even though adequate
> informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
> rarely followed appropriately.
> Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
> mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
> all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
> recommendations.  Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
> obvious malpractice?   Because, as parents, we are spending every
> waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
> we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
> masters and shorter statute of limitations.   In a country where the
> father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
> child, our children have no legal rights.  By the time we navigate the
> myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
> children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
> It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
> their soul, to bring change.  There is no exemption for gross
> negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids.  You are not
> protected under the umbrella of indifference.  It will only take one
> case, one precedent.  Change will happen.
>
> The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
> those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
> conceal the truth about vaccines.   All of the supposed nonexistent,
> mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
> mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
> etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
> brain.  This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
> some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
> them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
> information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
> anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
> national television and tout that everything is okay.  This political,
> money driven quagmire will come to an end.  Big tobacco took a fall
> and so will vaccine pushers.  And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
> particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
> this planet in an upward direction, sir.
>
> I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
> fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
> cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
> affect change, we must do the same for our cause.  I will pledge from
> this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
> know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
> gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down.  I will say, “Why do you
> look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
> just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
> you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
> tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
> receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
> new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
> condition is because I looked for it and not you?  As we sit here
> right now,
> I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
> autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
> of that very same look you are giving me.  As we sit here and you
> comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
> only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
> and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”
>
> So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware.  We will no
> longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids.  And while
> we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
> come down, and they will sell you out just as fast.  And then my
> friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.
>
> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found atwww.autismismedical.com.
>
> http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i...
Terry Jones
2009-05-15 05:19:42 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

>April 20, 2009...

Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
thread?
--

Terry
rpautrey2
2009-05-15 17:03:57 UTC
Permalink
Terry,

Figure It Out.


On May 15, 12:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >April 20, 2009...
>
> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> thread?
> --
>
> Terry
Terry Jones
2009-05-16 07:09:52 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 15, 12:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>>
>> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >April 20, 2009...
>>
>> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
>> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
>> thread?
>
>Terry,
>
>Figure It Out.
>
OCD?

Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the
contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over
and over?

Simple bad manners?
rpautrey2
2009-05-17 08:54:32 UTC
Permalink
TJ,

You get 999 more guesses.



On May 16, 2:09 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 15, 12:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> >> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >April 20, 2009...
>
> >> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> >> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> >> thread?
>
> >Terry,
>
> >Figure It Out.
>
> OCD?
>
> Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the
> contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over
> and over?
>
> Simple bad manners?
rpautrey2
2009-05-17 09:01:07 UTC
Permalink
On May 16, 2:09 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:


> Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the
> contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over
> and over?
>
> Simple bad manners?

Yawn!


On May 16, 2:09 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 15, 12:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> >> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >April 20, 2009...
>
> >> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> >> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> >> thread?
>
> >Terry,
>
> >Figure It Out.
>
> OCD?
>
> Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the
> contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over
> and over?
>
> Simple bad manners?
Mark Probert
2009-05-16 02:18:18 UTC
Permalink
On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >April 20, 2009...
>
> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> thread?

Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually
bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from
an Amoeba, he refused.
Jan Drew
2009-05-16 03:25:30 UTC
Permalink
"Mark Probert" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9816ce96-8573-4fb1-a975-***@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >April 20, 2009...
>
> Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> thread?

Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually
bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from
an Amoeba, he refused

------------------------------------------

Forgot to read Torah again, today.

Which makes you a liar.

http://www.ohrtorahstone.org.il/parsha/5762/emor62.htm

speaking kindly to every human being accepting everyone cheerfully and
taking precise care concerning his business ethics to the point that
everyone praises him and strives to emulate his comportment, then that
individual is sanctifying G-d's Name, and about him it is said, 'And He says
to me, you are my servant Israel, through whom I am glorified' "(Maimonides,
Laws of the Foundations of Torah, 5, 11).

http://www.bodhicitta.net/Compassion%20for%20Humanity%20in%20the%20Jewish%20Tradition.htm

Choosing Judaism: Jewish Concern for 'TZEDAKAH" (Charity) and Social Justice
Most Jews are aware of the traditional story about the great Jewish scholar,
Hillel, who was asked by a Roman soldier to summarize Judaism "while
standing on one foot"-in other words, to put all of Jewish theology in a
nutshell. Hillel's response was to repeat Judaism's original "Golden Rule":
"That which is hateful to yourself, do not do unto others. That is the heart
of the Torah; all the rest is commentary. Now go and study!" The "Golden
Rule" is in that portion of the Torah known as "The Holiness Code"
(Leviticus, Chapter 19). It is a basic principle underlying the traditional
Jewish commitment to fairness, human responsibility, and social justice.
These fundamental values, rooted in the Torah, have led Jews to establish
relatively high standards of generosity for charitable causes. Actually, the
concept of tzedakah extends beyond charity-its usual translation-and
includes the dual concepts of righteousness and human
responsibility-something a Jew is required to do as a part of her or his
Jewishness, not simply a voluntary act. The great Jewish scholar,
philosopher, and rabbi, Moses Maimonides, who lived 800 years ago,
delineated eight different levels of charity. As you read these words,
consider how relevant these Jewish teachings are today, more than 800 years
later: Going from the lowest level to the highest: 1. One who gives
unwillingly. 2. One who gives cheerfully, but not enough. 3. One who gives
enough, but not till he is asked. 4. One who gives before being asked, but
directly to the poor person. 5. The poor one knows from whom he or she
takes, but the giver does not know who is receiving. 6. The giver knows to
whom he or she gives, but the receiver does not know the giver. 7. The giver
does not know to whom he or she gives, nor does the poor person know from
whom he or she receives. The highest form of charity is to strengthen the
hand of the poor by giving a loan, or joining in partnership, or training
out of the individual's poverty, to help become independent. The highest
level of charity-helping a person establish herself or himself-is the
foremost ideal of our modem social agenda as we address the complex issues
of poverty and welfare and seek the best ways to help people break the
chains of poverty. The words of Maimonides exemplify the compassion of
Judaism and also vividly show how Jewish sages have sought to point the way
for Jews to help make our world a better place in which all people might
live with dignity and self-respect. Some people are surprised when they
learn that Judaism embodies compassion and love, for language in the Torah
often appears harsh to the modem ear. However, one must remember and
understand that the Jewish Bible-what Christianity called the "Old
Testament"-was written 3,000 years ago. Just as it is important to judge
Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, in the
context of the times in which he lived, and not in absolute terms of his
having been a slave owner, we must judge the Jewish Bible, including the
first five books known as the Torah, in terms relative to what was taking
place in society 3,000 years ago. By that standard, the Torah was remarkably
progressive. (For instance, the well-known adage, "an eye for an eye," by
contemporary times may seem harsh, but this concept was an improvement over
the mores of Middle Eastern society 3,000 years ago when one could be killed
for injuring another person's eye.) Actually, although the Torah is an
ancient document, there is in Judaism a process of study, commentary, and
re-interpretation that has allowed the Torah to continue to speak to Jews in
every generation. Even though Christianity's "New Testament" was written
more than 1,000 years after the Jewish Bible, nevertheless both have
passages that are harsh by modern standards. Both also have language of love
and compassion, and there are many important similarities such as the Golden
Rule. These similarities are not surprising since Jesus was raised as a Jew
as were all of his contemporary disciples. On the other hand, there are
major philosophical differences, the most fundamental being that Jews did
not, and do not, believe that Jesus, who lived and died a Jew, was the Son
of God. Another central difference was that Christianity asserted that an
individual had to "believe in Jesus in order to be saved," therefore denying
any life in "heaven" to non-believers. In sharp contrast, the central theme
of Judaism was one of universalism with the "gates of heaven" open to all
who lead an exemplary life of good actions and deeds, regardless of
religious creed. Although the Jewish Bible was written nearly 3,000 years
ago, much of it still speaks directly to us today. For example, in an
ancient world in which slavery and injustice were rampant, the Jewish
prophets were among the first to call for social justice-for everyone, not
just Jews. One of the most meaningful aspects of Judaism is that it offers a
religious and cultural environment and a structure in which these moral
values can be enhanced and also transmitted from one generation to the next.
Some people assert that there is no longer a need to have any religious
identity and that these values can be transmitted automatically without the
need for a religious framework. However, most thoughtful Jews believe the
remarkable extent of active involvement of modern Jews in support of
charitable causes and issues of freedom and social justice did not arise in
a vacuum but rather developed out of a religious and cultural heritage and
faith, nurtured and refined over a period of 4,000 years. This Jewish
heritage has been a very important factor in influencing and encouraging
individual Jews to speak out on behalf of freedom, compassion, love, peace
and justice for all. Therefore, committed Jews seek Jewish continuity, not
just for themselves, but for all humankind.
rpautrey2
2009-05-17 12:06:18 UTC
Permalink
Has-Been,

You're a 'Hack'("Wannabe"!).

Create and write your own material.


On May 15, 9:18 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> > <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >April 20, 2009...
>
> > Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> > since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> > thread?
>
> Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually
> bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from
> an Amoeba, he refused.
AmaranthQueen
2009-05-17 22:00:40 UTC
Permalink
On May 17, 8:06 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has-Been,
>
> You're a 'Hack'("Wannabe"!).
>
> Create and write your own material.
>
> On May 15, 9:18 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> > > <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >April 20, 2009...
>
> > > Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> > > since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> > > thread?
>
> > Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually
> > bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from
> > an Amoeba, he refused.- Hide quoted text -
>


Go tend your Jenny McCarthy shrine will you?
rpautrey2
2009-05-20 17:47:18 UTC
Permalink
> Go tend your Jenny McCarthy shrine will you?

Huh?


On May 17, 5:00 pm, AmaranthQueen <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On May 17, 8:06 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Has-Been,
>
> > You're a 'Hack'("Wannabe"!).
>
> > Create and write your own material.
>
> > On May 15, 9:18 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
>
> > > > <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >April 20, 2009...
>
> > > > Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> > > > since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> > > > thread?
>
> > > Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually
> > > bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from
> > > an Amoeba, he refused.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Go tend your Jenny McCarthy shrine will you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Peter Bowditch
2009-05-16 23:26:47 UTC
Permalink
Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
><***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>April 20, 2009...
>
>Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
>since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
>thread?

It's because people who tend to believe the nonsense put out by Age of
Autism think that everybody else is as dumb as they are and need to be
told things more than once. They also seem to think that something
untrue becomes truer with repetition.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
rpautrey2
2009-05-17 08:52:23 UTC
Permalink
On May 16, 6:26 pm, Peter Bowditch <***@ratbags.com> wrote:
> It's because people who tend to believe the nonsense put out by Age of
> Autism think that everybody else is as dumb as they are and need to be
> told things more than once. They also seem to think that something
> untrue becomes truer with repetition.

Pea Brain(PB - ratbag),

You're brilliant!?

On May 16, 6:26 pm, Peter Bowditch <***@ratbags.com> wrote:
> Terry Jones <***@beeb.net> wrote:
> >On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2
> ><***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>April 20, 2009...
>
> >Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially
> >since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this
> >thread?
>
> It's because people who tend to believe the nonsense put out by Age of
> Autism think that everybody else is as dumb as they are and need to be
> told things more than once. They also seem to think that something
> untrue becomes truer with repetition.
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
> The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Mark Probert
2009-05-20 20:57:40 UTC
Permalink
On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at

www.autismismedical.com.

The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.

Click on it and see.
Arak
2009-05-20 21:27:11 UTC
Permalink
On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> www.autismismedical.com.
>
> The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> Click on it and see.

Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)

Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
for visiting Autism Is Medical!
We can’t wait to get started. Our website is currently under
construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits” and
“thoughts of the day”. "

(Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)

Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
place our children on the autism spectrum."

I'll tell you who this insults: Me.

I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
life."

Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
how we suffer?

Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
legitimate page... :^)

Arak /|\
Bob Badour
2009-05-20 22:01:59 UTC
Permalink
Arak wrote:
> On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
>>>affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
>>>husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
>>>returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
>>>fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
>>>for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
>>>vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
>>>company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
>>>parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>>
>>www.autismismedical.com.
>>
>>The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
>>supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
>>vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
>>ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>>
>>Click on it and see.
>
>
> Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
> started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)
>
> Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
> for visiting Autism Is Medical!
> We can’t wait to get started. Our website is currently under
> construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits” and
> “thoughts of the day”. "
>
> (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)
>
> Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
> about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
> place our children on the autism spectrum."
>
> I'll tell you who this insults: Me.
>
> I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
> effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
> medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
> hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
> life."
>
> Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
> how we suffer?
>
> Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
> legitimate page... :^)
>
> Arak /|\

I think Mark's point is the site has no evidence whatsoever. It is just
an "under construction" page.
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 01:36:07 UTC
Permalink
On May 20, 6:01 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Arak wrote:
> > On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> >>>affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> >>>husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> >>>returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> >>>fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> >>>for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> >>>vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> >>>company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> >>>parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> >>www.autismismedical.com.
>
> >>The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> >>supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> >>vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> >>ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> >>Click on it and see.
>
> > Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
> > started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)
>
> > Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
> > for visiting Autism Is Medical!
> > We can’t wait to get started.  Our website is currently under
> > construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits”  and
> > “thoughts of the day”.  "
>
> > (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)
>
> > Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
> > about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
> > place our children on the autism spectrum."
>
> > I'll tell you who this insults: Me.
>
> > I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
> > effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
> > medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
> > hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
> > life."
>
> > Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
> > how we suffer?
>
> > Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
> > legitimate page... :^)
>
> > Arak /|\
>
> I think Mark's point is the site has no evidence whatsoever. It is just
> an "under construction" page.

But it was cited by Age Of Autism, whose article was posted here
twice. I guess the two time poster just read the head line and did not
look any further. Quite typical of the pro-infectious disease
merchants of disability and death.
rpautrey2
2009-05-21 13:20:55 UTC
Permalink
> Quite typical of the pro-infectious disease
> merchants of disability and death.

Disbarred Comic,

You belong to the 'Death & Torture Cult'.

Disinformation!






On May 20, 8:36 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 6:01 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Arak wrote:
> > > On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > >>>affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > >>>husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > >>>returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > >>>fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > >>>for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > >>>vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > >>>company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > >>>parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > >>www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > >>The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > >>supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > >>vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > >>ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > >>Click on it and see.
>
> > > Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
> > > started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)
>
> > > Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
> > > for visiting Autism Is Medical!
> > > We can’t wait to get started.  Our website is currently under
> > > construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits”  and
> > > “thoughts of the day”.  "
>
> > > (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)
>
> > > Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
> > > about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
> > > place our children on the autism spectrum."
>
> > > I'll tell you who this insults: Me.
>
> > > I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
> > > effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
> > > medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
> > > hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
> > > life."
>
> > > Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
> > > how we suffer?
>
> > > Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
> > > legitimate page... :^)
>
> > > Arak /|\
>
> > I think Mark's point is the site has no evidence whatsoever. It is just
> > an "under construction" page.
>
> But it was cited by Age Of Autism, whose article was posted here
> twice. I guess the two time poster just read the head line and did not
> look any further. Quite typical of the pro-infectious disease
> merchants of disability and death.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 13:41:48 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 9:20 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Quite typical of the pro-infectious disease
> > merchants of disability and death.
>
> Disbarred Comic,
>
> You belong to the 'Death & Torture Cult'.
>
> Disinformation!

Not at all. I am pro-live and healthy children and anti-disease. You
are not.


>
> On May 20, 8:36 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 6:01 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Arak wrote:
> > > > On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > >>>affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > >>>husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > >>>returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > >>>fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > >>>for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > >>>vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > >>>company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > >>>parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > > >>www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > > >>The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > > >>supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > > >>vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > > >>ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > > >>Click on it and see.
>
> > > > Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
> > > > started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)
>
> > > > Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
> > > > for visiting Autism Is Medical!
> > > > We can’t wait to get started.  Our website is currently under
> > > > construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits”  and
> > > > “thoughts of the day”.  "
>
> > > > (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)
>
> > > > Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
> > > > about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
> > > > place our children on the autism spectrum."
>
> > > > I'll tell you who this insults: Me.
>
> > > > I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
> > > > effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
> > > > medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
> > > > hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
> > > > life."
>
> > > > Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
> > > > how we suffer?
>
> > > > Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
> > > > legitimate page... :^)
>
> > > > Arak /|\
>
> > > I think Mark's point is the site has no evidence whatsoever. It is just
> > > an "under construction" page.
>
> > But it was cited by Age Of Autism, whose article was posted here
> > twice. I guess the two time poster just read the head line and did not
> > look any further. Quite typical of the pro-infectious disease
> > merchants of disability and death.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 01:34:03 UTC
Permalink
On May 20, 5:27 pm, Arak <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 2:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > Click on it and see.
>
> Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me
> started on how much I *hate* that symbol!)
>
> Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you
> for visiting Autism Is Medical!
> We can’t wait to get started.  Our website is currently under
> construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits”  and
> “thoughts of the day”.  "
>
> (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not)
>
> Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents
> about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that
> place our children on the autism spectrum."
>
> I'll tell you who this insults: Me.
>
> I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the
> effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying
> medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and
> hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in
> life."
>
> Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and
> how we suffer?

B-b-b-b-b-ut, according to GR, you do not exist. There are no autistic
adults. That is what they say.

> Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a
> legitimate page... :^)

Ack! You saw right through me. Call me Mr. Glass.

BTW, do you always rush to be the first to tell the punchline?

:)
Peter Bowditch
2009-05-21 00:57:24 UTC
Permalink
Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
>> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
>> husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
>> returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
>> fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
>> for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
>> vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
>> company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
>> parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
>www.autismismedical.com.
>
>The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
>supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
>vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
>ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
>Click on it and see.

I like the way it includes all the facts coming from Jenny McCarthy.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
rpautrey2
2009-05-21 13:17:21 UTC
Permalink
Has-Been(Disbarred Comic),

I don't follow your bogus links.


On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> www.autismismedical.com.
>
> The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> Click on it and see.
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 13:41:07 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>

Hi asshole!

> I don't follow your bogus links.

Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
AgeOfAutism.

Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
posted.

Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.

Please keep making it this easy.


> On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > Click on it and see.-
Raving
2009-05-21 18:16:04 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 9:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi asshole!
>
> > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> AgeOfAutism.
>
> Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> posted.
>
> Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> Please keep making it this easy.

Assholes are better by the bowlful.

' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
and treatment of disease". '

http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 21:47:21 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 2:16 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 9:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi asshole!
>
> > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > posted.
>
> > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> Assholes are better by the bowlful.
>
> ' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
> Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
> because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
> and treatment of disease". '
>
>  http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl.
Raving
2009-05-21 23:18:24 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 5:47 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 2:16 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi asshole!
>
> > > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > > posted.
>
> > > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > Assholes are better by the bowlful.
>
> > ' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
> > Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
> > because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
> > and treatment of disease". '
>
> >  http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4
>
>
> I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl.

Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™ and Frosted
Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from
regulation by this route.
rpautrey2
2009-05-22 02:28:18 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 6:18 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 21, 6:18 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™ and Frosted
> Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from
> regulation by this route.


Raving Loon,

Are you coo coo for cocoa puffs?

I would have never guessed!?!


On May 21, 6:18 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 5:47 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 2:16 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 9:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi asshole!
>
> > > > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > > > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > > > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > > > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > > > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > > > posted.
>
> > > > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > > Assholes are better by the bowlful.
>
> > > ' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
> > > Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
> > > because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
> > > and treatment of disease". '
>
> > >  http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4
>
> > I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl.
>
> Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™  and Frosted
> Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from
> regulation by this route.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Raving
2009-05-22 09:46:26 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 10:28 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://imgur.com/jueru.jpg
rpautrey2
2009-05-22 10:54:02 UTC
Permalink
Coo Coo,


I don't follow the links of 'Loons'.

On May 22, 4:46 am, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 10:28 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://imgur.com/jueru.jpg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert
2009-05-22 13:41:16 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 7:18 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 5:47 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 2:16 pm, Raving <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 9:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi asshole!
>
> > > > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > > > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > > > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > > > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > > > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > > > posted.
>
> > > > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > > Assholes are better by the bowlful.
>
> > > ' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
> > > Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
> > > because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
> > > and treatment of disease". '
>
> > >  http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4
>
> > I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl.
>
> Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™  and Frosted
> Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from
> regulation by this route.

Yeah, but I like to supplement the Cheerios with fruit. Right now,
Long Island strawberries are worth dying for. One of my friends lives
right near one of the bigger farms and he hauls in a box or two every
day.

- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Raving
2009-05-21 23:03:11 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 5:40 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Terry Jones wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 May 2009 11:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Raving
> > <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that
> >>Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug
> >>because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation,
> >>and treatment of disease". '
>
> > Alternatively many oral medicines could be treated as foodstuffs,
> > since they may contain various sugars, sometimes gelatin,  minerals,
> > etc..
>
> The FDA already has control over cheerios because FDA actually stands
> for Food and Drug Administration.

The consumer rushes in where the FDA & and food companies fear to
tread.

In this game of musical chairs to disavow 'jurisdiction' (...ergo
responsibility), it is all about 'caveat emptor'.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Caveat+emptor

Class action lawsuit anyone?
(Memories of the Canadian Red Cross Blood Bank Services, etc ... )

" Food Companies Are Placing the Onus for Safety on Consumers

... So ConAgra — which sold more than 100 million pot pies last year
under its popular Banquet label — decided to make the consumer
responsible for the kill step. The “food safety” instructions and four-
step diagram on the 69-cent pies offer this guidance: “Internal
temperature needs to reach 165° F as measured by a food thermometer in
several spots.”

Increasingly, the corporations that supply Americans with processed
foods are unable to guarantee the safety of their ingredients. In this
case, ConAgra could not pinpoint which of the more than 25 ingredients
in its pies was carrying salmonella. Other companies do not even know
who is supplying their ingredients, let alone if those suppliers are
screening the items for microbes and other potential dangers,
interviews and documents show. ..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/15ingredients.html

[Disseminated to a broader newsgroup circulation as an appeal to act.
There is no reason that the vaccination-causes-autism special interest
group should have all the fun. Other class action lawsuits also hold
promise. Please note: The crime of barratry was abolished in England
and Wales in 1967. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrator ]
rpautrey2
2009-05-21 19:02:30 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Filth!

> Hi asshole!
> Listen, anus
> intellectually bankrupt asshole.


Disbarred Attorney(Has-Been),


The link you provided is posted within the article I provided.

I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead
from every article or book I ever read.

I was aware that that site is under construction.

You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor
link within this thread.

What is so sinister about that link?

What point are you trying to make?

Go read your comic books.




On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi asshole!
>
> > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> AgeOfAutism.
>
> Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> posted.
>
> Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> Please keep making it this easy.
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > > Click on it and see.-- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert
2009-05-21 21:54:19 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 3:02 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Filth!
>
> > Hi asshole!
> > Listen, anus
> > intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> Disbarred Attorney(Has-Been),
>
> The link you provided is posted within the article I provided.
>
> I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead
> from every article or book I ever read.

Oh? How narrow minded. Not looking to expand your knowledge.

>
> I was aware that that site is under construction.

Now you say it. Sure.

> You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor
> link within this thread.

Yep. It was kinda funny. However, fact-less postings are the forte of
AoA. Seems that is typial of the places where you dwell.


> What is so sinister about that link?

Nothing is sinister. It was just typical of the antis...accepting
everything at face value.

> What point are you trying to make?

That you are a dunce.

> Go read your comic books.

Nah. I prefer books with big words.

>
> On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi asshole!
>
> > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > posted.
>
> > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > > On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > > >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > > > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > > > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > > > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > > > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > > > Click on it and see.-- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
rpautrey2
2009-05-22 02:32:56 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 4:54 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Go read your comic books.
>
> Nah. I prefer books with big words.

Einstein,

Can you spell 'moron'?

Let me give you a hint,
it's not 'm-a-r-o-o-n'.

On May 21, 4:54 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 3:02 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Filth!
>
> > > Hi asshole!
> > > Listen, anus
> > > intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > Disbarred Attorney(Has-Been),
>
> > The link you provided is posted within the article I provided.
>
> > I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead
> > from every article or book I ever read.
>
> Oh? How narrow minded. Not looking to expand your knowledge.
>
>
>
> > I was aware that that site is under construction.
>
> Now you say it. Sure.
>
> > You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor
> > link within this thread.
>
> Yep. It was kinda funny. However, fact-less postings are the forte of
> AoA. Seems that is typial of the places where you dwell.
>
> > What is so sinister about that link?
>
> Nothing is sinister. It was just typical of the antis...accepting
> everything at face value.
>
> > What point are you trying to make?
>
> That you are a dunce.
>
> > Go read your comic books.
>
> Nah. I prefer books with big words.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi asshole!
>
> > > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > > posted.
>
> > > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > > > On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > > > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > > > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > > > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > > > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > > > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > > > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > > > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > > > >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > > > > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > > > > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > > > > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > > > > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > > > > Click on it and see.-- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark Probert
2009-05-22 13:42:52 UTC
Permalink
On May 21, 10:32 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 4:54 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Go read your comic books.
>
> > Nah. I prefer books with big words.
>
> Einstein,
>
> Can you spell 'moron'?
>
> Let me give you a hint,
> it's not 'm-a-r-o-o-n'.

Too easy:

r-p-a-u-t-r-e-y-2



>
> On May 21, 4:54 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 3:02 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Filth!
>
> > > > Hi asshole!
> > > > Listen, anus
> > > > intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > Disbarred Attorney(Has-Been),
>
> > > The link you provided is posted within the article I provided.
>
> > > I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead
> > > from every article or book I ever read.
>
> > Oh? How narrow minded. Not looking to expand your knowledge.
>
> > > I was aware that that site is under construction.
>
> > Now you say it. Sure.
>
> > > You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor
> > > link within this thread.
>
> > Yep. It was kinda funny. However, fact-less postings are the forte of
> > AoA. Seems that is typial of the places where you dwell.
>
> > > What is so sinister about that link?
>
> > Nothing is sinister. It was just typical of the antis...accepting
> > everything at face value.
>
> > > What point are you trying to make?
>
> > That you are a dunce.
>
> > > Go read your comic books.
>
> > Nah. I prefer books with big words.
>
> > > On May 21, 8:41 am, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 21, 9:17 am, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi asshole!
>
> > > > > I don't follow your bogus links.
>
> > > > Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the
> > > > article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant
> > > > AgeOfAutism.
>
> > > > Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU
> > > > posted.
>
> > > > Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt asshole.
>
> > > > Please keep making it this easy.
>
> > > > > On May 20, 3:57 pm, Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 14, 12:27 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> > > > > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> > > > > > > husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> > > > > > > returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> > > > > > > fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> > > > > > > for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> > > > > > > vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> > > > > > > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> > > > > > > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
>
> > > > > >www.autismismedical.com.
>
> > > > > > The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts
> > > > > > supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment,
> > > > > > vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact
> > > > > > ever produced proving that is now contained on that website.
>
> > > > > > Click on it and see.-- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
rpautrey2
2009-05-29 11:11:41 UTC
Permalink
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-the-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c




Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino
April 20, 2009


In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.

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Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino
April 20, 2009


In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.

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Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino
April 20, 2009


In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-the-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c
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Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino

In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.

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Sandy,

I find that your sentiments concerning not all kids on the spectrum
having medical issues is standard talk on some of the more
conservative Asperger forums. So many of those parents think their
Aspies and High Functioning kids don't have medical issues and yet
most have never even done the appropriate lab tests to be making those
assertions.

Those are the same parents who usually leave hateful messages about
Jenny McCarthy
and parents who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at
all.

I don't even know who you're referring to when you talk about hoping
more parents stand up against "you and your group". I don't believe
there is ONE group. If individual families and families helping
families with medical, sped issues, insurance issues, ASD adult work
and living arrangements, etc., etc., constitutes "our group", then who
is in your group? It's rather silly and divisive. I suggest you stick
around and keep an open mind.


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>Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>By Jill Rubolino
>April 20, 2009


>In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
>disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
>diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
>need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
>exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
>provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
>treatment.

Whatever it is, it is a condition in which the brain is
not responding appropriately. Stop denigrating those will
such mental problems, and call it what it is. Dyslexia is
also a mental illness.


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Bob Badour
2009-06-19 22:23:56 UTC
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> Whatever it is, it is a condition in which the brain is
> not responding appropriately. Stop denigrating those will
> such mental problems, and call it what it is. Dyslexia is
> also a mental illness.
> --
> This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
> are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
> Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
> ***@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

My brain responds well, asshole. I have a healthy autistic brain.
toto
2009-06-20 04:40:53 UTC
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On 19 Jun 2009 13:20:54 -0400, ***@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman
Rubin) wrote:

>Whatever it is, it is a condition in which the brain is
>not responding appropriately. Stop denigrating those will
>such mental problems, and call it what it is. Dyslexia is
>also a mental illness.

Herman, your definition of illness is off.

Dyslexia *and* autism are neurological conditions, not mental
illnesses.


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Dorothy

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Gareeth
2009-06-20 19:49:27 UTC
Permalink
toto wrote:
>> Dyslexia *and* autism are neurological conditions, not mental
> illnesses.

The DSM though is about mental conditions and not mental illnesses which is
why both autism and dyslexia are both in it.

Gareeth
Bob Badour
2009-06-20 20:24:57 UTC
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Gareeth wrote:

> toto wrote:
>
>>>Dyslexia *and* autism are neurological conditions, not mental
>>
>>illnesses.
>
> The DSM though is about mental conditions and not mental illnesses which is
> why both autism and dyslexia are both in it.
>
> Gareeth

Mental disorders/mental illnesses -- I don't see any important
difference. Trisomy 21 is not in DSM-IV under any name; except an
oblique reference to grading mental retardation.

http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/_misc/complete_tables.htm
http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch12_abnormal/down_syndrome.html

I don't see how autistics have anything in common with transvestites and
heroine addicts. We have a lot more in common with trisomy 21. I find
the whole premise of the DSM questionable, and I find it reflects
ignorance more than knowledge.

The autism spectrum is mostly genetic and entirely neurological. It has
nothing to do with "mental" or the mind.
Buzzard
2009-06-21 04:44:46 UTC
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toto wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2009 13:20:54 -0400, ***@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman
> Rubin) wrote:
>
>
>>Whatever it is, it is a condition in which the brain is
>>not responding appropriately. Stop denigrating those will
>>such mental problems, and call it what it is. Dyslexia is
>>also a mental illness.
>
>
> Herman, your definition of illness is off.
>
> Dyslexia *and* autism are neurological conditions, not mental
> illnesses.
>

That's right. Flicted, maybe. Crazy, no way jose.
rpautrey2
2009-06-23 02:24:45 UTC
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April 20, 2009
Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino

In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.


http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-the-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3FruN_Lu5g
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUm-2x-2dM
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> "rpautrey2" <***@gmail.com> wrote in messsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eeww2m_R0
rpautrey2
2009-06-26 02:58:09 UTC
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http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html


A Letter from the Editor

Welcome to The Age of Autism, the the nation's first daily Web
newspaper for the environmental-biomedical community – those who
believe autism is an environmentally induced illness, that it is
treatable, and that children can recover. For the most part, the major
media in the United States aren't interested in that point of view,
they won't investigate the causes and possible biomedical treatments
of autism independently, and they don't listen to the most important
voices – those of the parents. We will do all those things, and more.

To illustrate the difference The Age of Autism will make, consider the
way the Baltimore Sun edited a story about Jenny McCarthy, who
believes that vaccines triggered her child's autism and that
biomedical treatments are a big part of his remarkable and ongoing
improvement. Here are phrases that were taken out of the story that
originally ran in the Chicago Tribune, as noted by Anne Dachel, who
will be Age of Autism's media editor:

1) Autism is "something McCarthy believes was triggered by vaccines."
Deleted.

2) "It's not just that she is voicing the same thing parents have
been saying for years ('We vaccinated our babies and something
happened') on high-profile programs such as The Oprah Winfrey Show and
Larry King Live." Deleted.

3) "DAN! also provides contacts for the approximately 600 doctors in
the U.S. who use complementary and alternative therapies to treat
autism." Deleted.

4) "McCarthy wasn't about to wait for evidence-based medicine; she
felt she had a limited window of time to pull her son back into this
world." Deleted.

What the (deleted)!? And what an irony that Baltimore is where autism
was first diagnosed, and that the Johns Hopkins psychiatrist who did
so was the first of many to miss the environmental clues that could
have kept hundreds of thousands more cases from ever happening. How
can we trust the mainstream media to cover the autism epidemic when
they themselves censor important information and skew the discussion
toward the tired old genetic argument? Even the fact that autism rates
are soaring – self-evident to anyone with eyes to see, and clear
evidence of an environmental trigger – is treated as a big question
mark by the media and public health officials. At The Age of Autism,
we're not going to let those suffering from epidemic denial -- E.D.,
as our editor-at-large Mark Blaxill calls it -- waste our time or
delay urgent research into What's Going On (the apt name of Mark's new
column for us).

As many of you know, I wrote the Age of Autism column for United Press
International for two years, and I became convinced by my own
reporting that autism's origins are recent -- triggered by something
new in the environment -- and that treatment can work. I located the
very first case ever described in the medical literature, Donald T.,
and heard from his brother the remarkable story of Donald's recovery
from severe autism when gold salts were used to treat his juvenile
rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune disease. To state the obvious: The
very first case of autism recovered with biomedical treatment, but the
doctors ignored it because they were so busy blaming parents. Now they
don't blame parents for causing autism, they just blame them for
trying to do anything about it.

I'm proud to team up with several people who have done a great deal
about it, both for their own children and for the autism community at
large: Managing Editor Kim Stagliano, mom of three autistic daughters
who still found time to write for Rescue Post and for Huffington Post
with a brand of hard-won humor that is uniquely hers; and editors-at-
large J.B. Handley of Generation Rescue and Mark Blaxill. All were
instrumental in bringing this site to life, along with our founding
sponsors SafeMinds, Generation Rescue and TACA.

The Age of Autism will be wide-open and transparent in its reporting
and commentary on causes and treatments; I am beholden to no
individual, organization or fixed point of view. My commitment is to
in-depth reporting. I am not a social worker or an autism parent, I'm
a journalist drawn to what I called, in my last UPI column, "the story
of a lifetime." Based on my own work, I do believe mercury – including
the horrendously neurotoxic ethyl mercury in vaccines – is clearly
implicated in the rise of autism, and that its continued use in flu
shots for children and pregnant women is catastrophic. So is the
expanding use of thimerosal in vaccines shipped to developing
countries where (no surprise) autism rates are soaring. Again, the
apologists talk of cultural differences and better diagnosis; for the
real story, see my interview with a husband and wife team who watched
autism come to India, along with new shots, over the past few years.

Generation Rescue, whose Rescue Post is being incorporated into The
Age of Autism, did a phone survey showing much lowers rates of
neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, in never-vaccinated
kids. That study demonstrated by example that such children are not at
all hard to find in the United States, contrary to the protests of the
CDC. Again, the media ignored this startling survey when they weren't
belittling it – another sign of journalistic group-think from those
who believe whatever "the experts" tell them.

We're not going to settle for that. We'll follow the truth wherever it
leads, and we hope you'll come along with us and, if you can manage
it, donate to The Age of Autism and help us pursue this story. Fasten
your seat belts – it's going to be a bumpy ride.


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http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-the-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c


April 20, 2009
Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino

In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.
Raving
2009-06-26 04:42:26 UTC
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On Jun 25, 10:58 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqBaoslROgg
rpautrey2
2009-07-27 01:51:10 UTC
Permalink
Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM

rpautrey2 wrote:
> http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html
>
>
> A Letter from the Editor
>
> Welcome to The Age of Autism, the the nation's first daily Web
> newspaper for the environmental-biomedical community – those who
> believe autism is an environmentally induced illness, that it is
> treatable, and that children can recover. For the most part, the major
> media in the United States aren't interested in that point of view,
> they won't investigate the causes and possible biomedical treatments
> of autism independently, and they don't listen to the most important
> voices – those of the parents. We will do all those things, and more.
>
> To illustrate the difference The Age of Autism will make, consider the
> way the Baltimore Sun edited a story about Jenny McCarthy, who
> believes that vaccines triggered her child's autism and that
> biomedical treatments are a big part of his remarkable and ongoing
> improvement. Here are phrases that were taken out of the story that
> originally ran in the Chicago Tribune, as noted by Anne Dachel, who
> will be Age of Autism's media editor:
>
> 1) Autism is "something McCarthy believes was triggered by vaccines."
> Deleted.
>
> 2) "It's not just that she is voicing the same thing parents have
> been saying for years ('We vaccinated our babies and something
> happened') on high-profile programs such as The Oprah Winfrey Show and
> Larry King Live." Deleted.
>
> 3) "DAN! also provides contacts for the approximately 600 doctors in
> the U.S. who use complementary and alternative therapies to treat
> autism." Deleted.
>
> 4) "McCarthy wasn't about to wait for evidence-based medicine; she
> felt she had a limited window of time to pull her son back into this
> world." Deleted.
>
> What the (deleted)!? And what an irony that Baltimore is where autism
> was first diagnosed, and that the Johns Hopkins psychiatrist who did
> so was the first of many to miss the environmental clues that could
> have kept hundreds of thousands more cases from ever happening. How
> can we trust the mainstream media to cover the autism epidemic when
> they themselves censor important information and skew the discussion
> toward the tired old genetic argument? Even the fact that autism rates
> are soaring – self-evident to anyone with eyes to see, and clear
> evidence of an environmental trigger – is treated as a big question
> mark by the media and public health officials. At The Age of Autism,
> we're not going to let those suffering from epidemic denial -- E.D.,
> as our editor-at-large Mark Blaxill calls it -- waste our time or
> delay urgent research into What's Going On (the apt name of Mark's new
> column for us).
>
> As many of you know, I wrote the Age of Autism column for United Press
> International for two years, and I became convinced by my own
> reporting that autism's origins are recent -- triggered by something
> new in the environment -- and that treatment can work. I located the
> very first case ever described in the medical literature, Donald T.,
> and heard from his brother the remarkable story of Donald's recovery
> from severe autism when gold salts were used to treat his juvenile
> rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune disease. To state the obvious: The
> very first case of autism recovered with biomedical treatment, but the
> doctors ignored it because they were so busy blaming parents. Now they
> don't blame parents for causing autism, they just blame them for
> trying to do anything about it.
>
> I'm proud to team up with several people who have done a great deal
> about it, both for their own children and for the autism community at
> large: Managing Editor Kim Stagliano, mom of three autistic daughters
> who still found time to write for Rescue Post and for Huffington Post
> with a brand of hard-won humor that is uniquely hers; and editors-at-
> large J.B. Handley of Generation Rescue and Mark Blaxill. All were
> instrumental in bringing this site to life, along with our founding
> sponsors SafeMinds, Generation Rescue and TACA.
>
> The Age of Autism will be wide-open and transparent in its reporting
> and commentary on causes and treatments; I am beholden to no
> individual, organization or fixed point of view. My commitment is to
> in-depth reporting. I am not a social worker or an autism parent, I'm
> a journalist drawn to what I called, in my last UPI column, "the story
> of a lifetime." Based on my own work, I do believe mercury – including
> the horrendously neurotoxic ethyl mercury in vaccines – is clearly
> implicated in the rise of autism, and that its continued use in flu
> shots for children and pregnant women is catastrophic. So is the
> expanding use of thimerosal in vaccines shipped to developing
> countries where (no surprise) autism rates are soaring. Again, the
> apologists talk of cultural differences and better diagnosis; for the
> real story, see my interview with a husband and wife team who watched
> autism come to India, along with new shots, over the past few years.
>
> Generation Rescue, whose Rescue Post is being incorporated into The
> Age of Autism, did a phone survey showing much lowers rates of
> neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, in never-vaccinated
> kids. That study demonstrated by example that such children are not at
> all hard to find in the United States, contrary to the protests of the
> CDC. Again, the media ignored this startling survey when they weren't
> belittling it – another sign of journalistic group-think from those
> who believe whatever "the experts" tell them.
>
> We're not going to settle for that. We'll follow the truth wherever it
> leads, and we hope you'll come along with us and, if you can manage
> it, donate to The Age of Autism and help us pursue this story. Fasten
> your seat belts – it's going to be a bumpy ride.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-the-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c
>
>
> April 20, 2009
> Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
> By Jill Rubolino
>
> In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
> disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
> diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
> need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
> exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
> provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
> treatment.
>
> In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
> disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
> and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
> proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
> our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
> they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
> variation of childhood.
>
> This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
> competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
> nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
> unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
> uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
> longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
> discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
> their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
> information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
> know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
> ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
> DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
> genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
> Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
> abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
> person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
> Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
> not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
> environmental insult, including vaccines.
>
> The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
> not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
> by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
> to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
> such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
> denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.
>
> No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
> disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
> left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
> individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
> medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
> treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
> to as gross malpractice.
>
> The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
> embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
> recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
> hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
> they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
> and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
> deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
> heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
> they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
> diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
> relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
> us, because they can.
>
> Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
> government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
> That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
> sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
> because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
> informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
> rarely followed appropriately.
> Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
> mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
> all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
> recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
> obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
> waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
> we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
> masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
> father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
> child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
> myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
> children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
> It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
> their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
> negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
> protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
> case, one precedent. Change will happen.
>
> The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
> those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
> conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
> mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
> mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
> etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
> brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
> some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
> them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
> information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
> anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
> national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
> money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
> and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
> particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
> this planet in an upward direction, sir.
>
> I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
> fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
> cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
> affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
> this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
> know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
> gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
> look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
> just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
> you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
> tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
> receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
> new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
> condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
> right now,
> I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
> autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
> of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
> comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
> only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
> and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”
>
> So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
> longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
> we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
> come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
> friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.
>
> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
> www.autismismedical.com.
Happy Oyster
2009-07-27 08:13:35 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM

It is only a problem of the digestive tract? In case of people who think with
their digestive tract, things are complicated... They do not know where the
brain is...

Some even claim they are inventors...


On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>I invented an electronic sinus drainage method.
>

Invented? Ha! Paul Autrey of Biloxi advertises for dangerous quackery of Hulda
Clark. Here we got him:


http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml

<quote>
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©
Letters to The Editor
Boioelectrification Ideas for Sinusitis
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
March 19, 2004
----- Original Message -----
From: ***@aol.com
*************************************
To: ***@educate-yourself.org
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: Beck Blood Electrifier In Nostrils - Sinusitis
You can use the the device to treat and cure sinusitis by placing the electodes
into each nostril and gently rubbing the upper part of the nostrils.Be
patient,it may take several minutes until they drain or you sneeze.Repeat often,
it may take time.
Bad intestinal flora will change sinus flora and open you up to infection,diet
may need to be changed.You can drain infection that has been with you since
birth.Many psychological,cognitive, and neurological problems can be alleviated
with this method.
Complementary therpies - raw garlic and buttermilk / yogurt for flora
restoration , colloidal silver spray (homemade) , distilled drinking water ,
etc. Do not take antibiotics.

PAUL AUTREY
*************************************
</quote>

Ain't that satanic?

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2009-07-27 07:28:02 UTC
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On Jul 27, 3:13 am, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>
> It is only a problem of the digestive tract? In case of people who think with
> their digestive tract, things are complicated... They do not know where the
> brain is...
>
> Some even claim they are inventors...
>
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I invented an electronic sinus drainage method.
>
> Invented? Ha! Paul Autrey of Biloxi advertises for dangerous quackery of Hulda
> Clark. Here we got him:
>
> http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
>
> <quote>
> Educate-Yourself
> The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©
> Letters to The Editor
> Boioelectrification Ideas for Sinusitishttp://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
> March 19, 2004
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ***@aol.com
> *************************************
> To: ***@educate-yourself.org
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:41 PM
> Subject: Beck Blood Electrifier In Nostrils - Sinusitis
> You can use the the device to treat and cure sinusitis by placing the electodes
> into each nostril and gently rubbing the upper part of the nostrils.Be
> patient,it may take several minutes until they drain or you sneeze.Repeat often,
> it may take time.
> Bad intestinal flora will change sinus flora and open you up to infection,diet
> may need to be changed.You can drain infection that has been with you since
> birth.Many psychological,cognitive, and neurological problems can be alleviated
> with this method.
> Complementary therpies - raw garlic and buttermilk / yogurt for flora
> restoration , colloidal silver spray (homemade) , distilled drinking water ,
> etc. Do not take antibiotics.
>
> PAUL AUTREY
> *************************************
> </quote>
>
> Ain't that satanic?
>
> --
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> credit card account. If you are a customer of Globat.com, never give
> them any credit card information. If you can't erase the information,
> then do delete the old card and get a new one!      **** WARNING ****

HO,

Again, thanks for the publicity.

I've been threatened over my methods.

Media?
Happy Oyster
2009-07-27 09:57:50 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:28:02 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 27, 3:13 am, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>>
>> It is only a problem of the digestive tract? In case of people who think with
>> their digestive tract, things are complicated... They do not know where the
>> brain is...
>>
>> Some even claim they are inventors...
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I invented an electronic sinus drainage method.
>>
>> Invented? Ha! Paul Autrey of Biloxi advertises for dangerous quackery of Hulda
>> Clark. Here we got him:
>>
>> http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
>>
>> <quote>
>> Educate-Yourself
>> The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©
>> Letters to The Editor
>> Boioelectrification Ideas for Sinusitishttp://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
>> March 19, 2004
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ***@aol.com
>> *************************************
>> To: ***@educate-yourself.org
>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Beck Blood Electrifier In Nostrils - Sinusitis
>> You can use the the device to treat and cure sinusitis by placing the electodes
>> into each nostril and gently rubbing the upper part of the nostrils.Be
>> patient,it may take several minutes until they drain or you sneeze.Repeat often,
>> it may take time.
>> Bad intestinal flora will change sinus flora and open you up to infection,diet
>> may need to be changed.You can drain infection that has been with you since
>> birth.Many psychological,cognitive, and neurological problems can be alleviated
>> with this method.
>> Complementary therpies - raw garlic and buttermilk / yogurt for flora
>> restoration , colloidal silver spray (homemade) , distilled drinking water ,
>> etc. Do not take antibiotics.
>>
>> PAUL AUTREY
>> *************************************
>> </quote>
>>
>> Ain't that satanic?
>>
>> --
>> **** WARNING **** The web-hoster Globat.com steals money from your
>> credit card account. If you are a customer of Globat.com, never give
>> them any credit card information. If you can't erase the information,
>> then do delete the old card and get a new one!      **** WARNING ****
>
>HO,
>
>Again, thanks for the publicity.
>
>I've been threatened over my methods.
>
>Media?

Threatened, oh my goodness, how terrible... What a mistake!

Sentenced he should be!

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rpautrey2
2009-08-02 02:40:10 UTC
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On Jul 27, 4:57 am, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:28:02 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 27, 3:13 am, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:10 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>
> >> It is only a problem of the digestive tract? In case of people who think with
> >> their digestive tract, things are complicated... They do not know where the
> >> brain is...
>
> >> Some even claim they are inventors...
>
> >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I invented an electronic sinus drainage method.
>
> >> Invented? Ha! Paul Autrey of Biloxi advertises for dangerous quackery of Hulda
> >> Clark. Here we got him:
>
> >>http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
>
> >> <quote>
> >> Educate-Yourself
> >> The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©
> >> Letters to The Editor
> >> Boioelectrification Ideas for Sinusitishttp://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml
> >> March 19, 2004
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: ***@aol.com
> >> *************************************
> >> To: ***@educate-yourself.org
> >> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:41 PM
> >> Subject: Beck Blood Electrifier In Nostrils - Sinusitis
> >> You can use the the device to treat and cure sinusitis by placing the electodes
> >> into each nostril and gently rubbing the upper part of the nostrils.Be
> >> patient,it may take several minutes until they drain or you sneeze.Repeat often,
> >> it may take time.
> >> Bad intestinal flora will change sinus flora and open you up to infection,diet
> >> may need to be changed.You can drain infection that has been with you since
> >> birth.Many psychological,cognitive, and neurological problems can be alleviated
> >> with this method.
> >> Complementary therpies - raw garlic and buttermilk / yogurt for flora
> >> restoration , colloidal silver spray (homemade) , distilled drinking water ,
> >> etc. Do not take antibiotics.
>
> >> PAUL AUTREY
> >> *************************************
> >> </quote>
>
> >> Ain't that satanic?
>
> >> --
> >> **** WARNING **** The web-hoster Globat.com steals money from your
> >> credit card account. If you are a customer of Globat.com, never give
> >> them any credit card information. If you can't erase the information,
> >> then do delete the old card and get a new one!      **** WARNING ****
>
> >HO,
>
> >Again, thanks for the publicity.
>
> >I've been threatened over my methods.
>
> >Media?
>
> Threatened, oh my goodness, how terrible... What a mistake!
>
> Sentenced he should be!
>
> --
> **** WARNING **** The web-hoster Globat.com steals money from your
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How long?
rpautrey2
2009-08-02 21:47:15 UTC
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April 20, 2009

Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
By Jill Rubolino

In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that
need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
treatment.

In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
variation of childhood.

This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand
competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and
unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no
longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site
their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
environmental insult, including vaccines.

The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused
by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.

No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that
left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
to as gross malpractice.

The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet,
they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has
heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore
us, because they can.

Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate
informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
rarely followed appropriately.
Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every
waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the
father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the
myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross
negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not
protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one
case, one precedent. Change will happen.

The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent,
mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
national television and tout that everything is okay. This political,
money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall
and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
this planet in an upward direction, sir.

I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from
this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you
look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here
right now,
I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you
comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”

So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no
longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while
we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my
friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.

Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at
www.autismismedical.com.





On Jun 25, 9:58 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html
>
> A Letter from the Editor
>
> Welcome to The Age of Autism, the the nation's first daily Web
> newspaper for the environmental-biomedical community – those who
> believe autism is an environmentally induced illness, that it is
> treatable, and that children can recover. For the most part, the major
> media in the United States aren't interested in that point of view,
> they won't investigate the causes and possible biomedical treatments
> of autism independently, and they don't listen to the most important
> voices – those of the parents. We will do all those things, and more.
>
> To illustrate the difference The Age of Autism will make, consider the
> way the Baltimore Sun edited a story about Jenny McCarthy, who
> believes that vaccines triggered her child's autism and that
> biomedical treatments are a big part of his remarkable and ongoing
> improvement. Here are phrases that were taken out of the story that
> originally ran in the Chicago Tribune, as noted by Anne Dachel, who
> will be Age of Autism's media editor:
>
> 1)  Autism is "something McCarthy believes was triggered by vaccines."
> Deleted.
>
> 2)  "It's not just that she is voicing the same thing parents have
> been saying for years ('We vaccinated our babies and something
> happened') on high-profile programs such as The Oprah Winfrey Show and
> Larry King Live." Deleted.
>
> 3) "DAN! also provides contacts for the approximately 600 doctors in
> the U.S. who use complementary and alternative therapies to treat
> autism." Deleted.
>
> 4) "McCarthy wasn't about to wait for evidence-based medicine; she
> felt she had a limited window of time to pull her son back into this
> world." Deleted.
>
> What the (deleted)!? And what an irony that Baltimore is where autism
> was first diagnosed, and that the Johns Hopkins psychiatrist who did
> so was the first of many to miss the environmental clues that could
> have kept hundreds of thousands more cases from ever happening. How
> can we trust the mainstream media to cover the autism epidemic when
> they themselves censor important information and skew the discussion
> toward the tired old genetic argument? Even the fact that autism rates
> are soaring – self-evident to anyone with eyes to see, and clear
> evidence of an environmental trigger – is treated as a big question
> mark by the media and public health officials. At The Age of Autism,
> we're not going to let those suffering from epidemic denial -- E.D.,
> as our editor-at-large Mark Blaxill calls it -- waste our time or
> delay urgent research into What's Going On (the apt name of Mark's new
> column for us).
>
> As many of you know, I wrote the Age of Autism column for United Press
> International for two years, and I became convinced by my own
> reporting that autism's origins are recent -- triggered by something
> new in the environment -- and that treatment can work. I located the
> very first case ever described in the medical literature, Donald T.,
> and heard from his brother the remarkable story of Donald's recovery
> from severe autism when gold salts were used to treat his juvenile
> rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune disease. To state the obvious: The
> very first case of autism recovered with biomedical treatment, but the
> doctors ignored it because they were so busy blaming parents. Now they
> don't blame parents for causing autism, they just blame them for
> trying to do anything about it.
>
> I'm proud to team up with several people who have done a great deal
> about it, both for their own children and for the autism community at
> large: Managing Editor Kim Stagliano, mom of three autistic daughters
> who still found time to write for Rescue Post and for Huffington Post
> with a brand of hard-won humor that is uniquely hers; and editors-at-
> large J.B. Handley of Generation Rescue and Mark Blaxill. All were
> instrumental in bringing this site to life, along with our founding
> sponsors SafeMinds, Generation Rescue and TACA.
>
> The Age of Autism will be wide-open and transparent in its reporting
> and commentary on causes and treatments; I am beholden to no
> individual, organization or fixed point of view. My commitment is to
> in-depth reporting. I am not a social worker or an autism parent, I'm
> a journalist drawn to what I called, in my last UPI column, "the story
> of a lifetime." Based on my own work, I do believe mercury – including
> the horrendously neurotoxic ethyl mercury in vaccines – is clearly
> implicated in the rise of autism, and that its continued use in flu
> shots for children and pregnant women is catastrophic. So is the
> expanding use of thimerosal in vaccines shipped to developing
> countries where (no surprise) autism rates are soaring. Again, the
> apologists talk of cultural differences and better diagnosis; for the
> real story, see my interview with a husband and wife team who watched
> autism come to India, along with new shots, over the past few years.
>
> Generation Rescue, whose Rescue Post is being incorporated into The
> Age of Autism, did a phone survey showing much lowers rates of
> neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, in never-vaccinated
> kids. That study demonstrated by example that such children are not at
> all hard to find in the United States, contrary to the protests of the
> CDC. Again, the media ignored this startling survey when they weren't
> belittling it – another sign of journalistic group-think from those
> who believe whatever "the experts" tell them.
>
> We're not going to settle for that. We'll follow the truth wherever it
> leads, and we hope you'll come along with us and, if you can manage
> it, donate to The Age of Autism and help us pursue this story. Fasten
> your seat belts – it's going to be a bumpy ride.
>
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> April 20, 2009
> Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>  By Jill Rubolino
>
> In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great
> disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their
> diagnosis and healthcare.  It brings to light some major changes that
> need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual,
> exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to
> provide the already affected children with proper medical care and
> treatment.
>
> In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric
> disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction
> and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied
> proper medical attention.  Not only are our doctors not acknowledging
> our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that
> they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal
> variation of childhood.
>
> This needs to stop immediately.  It will only stop when parents demand
> competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for
> nothing less.  We must no longer listen to the false and
> unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from
> uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists.  We must no
> longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already
> discredited study, regarding vaccine safety.  When pediatricians site
> their references, how many parents ask them to explain that
> information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we
> know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities
> ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the
> DSM. Period.  It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them
> genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether.
> Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic
> abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that
> person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM.
> Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if
> not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by
> environmental insult, including vaccines.
>
> The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause,
> not the disorder itself.  But because this medical disorder is caused
> by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed
> to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as
> such.  No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly
> denied its medical or biochemical component except autism.
>
> No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a
> disease process unless it is treated medically.  It is a process, that
> left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each
> individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The
> medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in
> treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred
> to as gross malpractice.
>
> The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and
> embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in
> recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again,
> hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population.  And yet,
> they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers
> and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink
> deeper and deeper into Autism.  Every parent of an autistic child has
> heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while
> they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive
> diarrhea,   abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux,
> relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on.  And they ignore
> us, because they can.
>
> Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal
> government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional.
> That’s right.  Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being
> sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad
> because the US Federal Government says so.  Even though adequate
> informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are
> rarely followed appropriately.
> Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction,
> mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness,
> all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own
> recommendations.  Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this
> obvious malpractice?   Because, as parents, we are spending every
> waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children,
> we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special
> masters and shorter statute of limitations.   In a country where the
> father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that
> child, our children have no legal rights.  By the time we navigate the
> myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our
> children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired.
> It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in
> their soul, to bring change.  There is no exemption for gross
> negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids.  You are not
> protected under the umbrella of indifference.  It will only take one
> case, one precedent.  Change will happen.
>
> The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of
> those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to
> conceal the truth about vaccines.   All of the supposed nonexistent,
> mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol,
> mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum
> etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a
> brain.  This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have
> some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find
> them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies,
> information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for
> anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on
> national television and tout that everything is okay.  This political,
> money driven quagmire will come to an end.  Big tobacco took a fall
> and so will vaccine pushers.  And I’m thinking of one gentleman in
> particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off
> this planet in an upward direction, sir.
>
> I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people
> fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark
> cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to
> affect change, we must do the same for our cause.  I will pledge from
> this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you
> know, the placating one you get when you start to talk
> gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down.  I will say, “Why do you
> look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you
> just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did
> you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not
> tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in
> receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every
> new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical
> condition is because I looked for it and not you?  As we sit here
> right now,
> I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of
> autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end
> of that very same look you are giving me.  As we sit here and you
> comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is
> only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional
> and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.”
>
> So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware.  We will no
> longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids.  And while
> we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will
> come down, and they will sell you out just as fast.  And then my
> friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance.
>
> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was
> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her
> husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and
> returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for
> fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care
> for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a
> vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their
> company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and
> parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found atwww.autismismedical.com.
Happy Oyster
2009-08-02 23:46:48 UTC
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM

Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them.

--
Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
rpautrey2
2009-08-03 16:18:42 UTC
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On Aug 2, 6:46 pm, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>
> Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them.
>
> --
>                  Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
>
>                    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm


Cyberstalking and childish comments on everything
I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity.
Happy Oyster
2009-08-03 17:56:49 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 2, 6:46 pm, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>>
>> Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them.
>>
>> --
>>                  Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
>>
>>                    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
>
>
>Cyberstalking and childish comments on everything
>I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity.

Says Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr., who calls others "Whore". See here:


On Aug 2, 8:54 pm, rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 6:44 pm, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Probiotic Effects on Cold and Influenza-Like Symptom Incidence and
> > >Duration in Children – Source: Pediatrics, Aug 2009
>
> > Learn about Koalas!
>
> > --
> >                  Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
>
> >                    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
>
> Whore(HO),
************

--
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http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_home.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom2.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom4.htm
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rpautrey2
2009-08-03 17:33:35 UTC
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HO,

What do you contribute?

What are you?
Happy Oyster
2009-08-03 19:16:58 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:33:35 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>HO,
>
>What do you contribute?
>
>What are you?

That is none of you business.

--
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http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_home.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom2.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom4.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom5.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom6.htm
Bob Officer
2009-08-03 21:49:04 UTC
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On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 2, 6:46 pm, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>>
>> Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them.
>>
>> --
>>                  Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
>>
>>                    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
>
>
>Cyberstalking and childish comments

Are what we often see from you.






>everything
>I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity.

agree with this statement.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
rpautrey2
2009-08-04 04:58:20 UTC
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Flora = Psora


http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/microbes-r-us/?pagemode=print



July 21, 2009, 9:30 pm




Microbes ‘R’ Us
Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
There are 150 species right at your fingertips.
This week, the 40th anniversary of the first moon landing, there’s
much talk of exploring other worlds. Which is exciting and grand; such
is the stuff that dreams are made on. Yet we don’t need to go abroad
to find amazing new life forms. We just need to look at the palms of
our hands, the tips of our fingers, the contents of our guts.

The typical human is home to a vast array of microbes. If you were to
count them, you’d find that microbial cells outnumber your own by a
factor of 10. On a cell-by-cell basis, then, you are only 10 percent
human. For the rest, you are microbial. (Why don’t you see this when
you look in the mirror? Because most of the microbes are bacteria, and
bacterial cells are generally much smaller than animal cells. They may
make up 90 percent of the cells, but they’re not 90 percent of your
bulk.)

This much has been known for a long time. Yet it’s only now, with the
revolution in biotechnology, that we’re able to do detailed studies of
which microbes are there, which genes they have, and what they’re
doing. We’re just at the start, and there are far more questions than
answers. But already, the results are astonishing, and the
implications profound.

Even on your skin, the diversity of bacteria is prodigious. If you
were to have your hands sampled, you’d probably find that each
fingertip has a distinct set of residents; your palms probably also
differ markedly from each other, each home to more than 150 species,
but with fewer than 20 percent of the species the same. And if you’re
a woman, odds are you’ll have more species than the man next to you.
Why should this be? So far, no one knows.

But it’s the bacteria in the digestive tract, especially the gut, that
intrigue me most. Many of these appear to be true symbionts: they have
evolved to live in guts and (as far as we know) are not found
elsewhere. In providing their habitat — a constant temperature, some
protection from hostile lifeforms and regular influxes of food — we
are as essential to them as they are to us.

And they definitely are essential to us. Gut bacteria play crucial
roles in digesting food and modulating the immune system. They make
small molecules that we need in order for our enzymes to work
properly. They interact with us, altering which of our genes get
turned on and off in cells in the intestinal walls. Some evidence
suggests that they are essential for the building of a normal heart.
Finally, it seems likely that gut bacteria will turn out to affect
appetite, as well as other aspects of our behavior, though no one has
shown this yet. (Imagine the plea: I’m sorry, sir, my microbes made me
do it.)

Together, your gut microbes provide you with a pool of genes far
larger than that found in the human genome. Indeed, the gut
“microbiome,” as it is known, is thought to contain at least 100 times
more genes than the human genome. Moreover, whereas humans are
extremely similar to one another at the level of the genome, the
microbiome appears to differ markedly from one person to the next.

What determines these differences? Good question. Diet has some
effect: a diet rich in sugars and fats reduces the diversity of gut
bacteria, and shifts the balance towards those that are more efficient
at extracting energy. Start eating more plants and you can shift the
balance back, and increase the diversity of your gut microbes. Your
own genetic background may play a role as well, though we are far from
understanding how, or how much. It probably also matters which other
microbes are present: as in any ecosystem, relationships among
different inhabitants are likely to be complex.

(At this point, I’d like to introduce a caveat. We know that the
diversity of microbial species differs between your gut and mine, and
that the less related we are, the more that will be true. Family
members tend to have more similar gut microbes than nonrelatives, and
preliminary evidence suggests that geography matters, too. So the gut
microbes of people in China are different from those of people in the
United States — though whether this is due to diet, human genes or
geography is entirely unknown. But despite this variation at the
species level, we don’t yet know how much variation there is at the
genetic level. It may be that different sets of gut microbes provide
broadly equivalent sets of genes.)

Naturally, a huge effort is now under way to see whether differences
in gut bacteria are responsible for differences in health. But what
interests me most about all this is that it suggests another mode of
human evolution. Bacteria evolve quickly: they can go through many
thousands of generations for every human one.

This has two potential consequences. First, during your lifetime, your
bacteria can change their genes even though you cannot change yours.
(You do have some flexibility: your immune system has a built-in
capacity to change.) It may be that gut bacteria evolve in response to
short-term changes in the environment, especially exposure to food-
borne diseases. They may thus act as an evolving supplement to the
immune system.

The second potential consequence is further reaching. Because bacteria
can evolve so fast, it may be that some of what we think of as human
evolution — like the ability to digest new diets that accompanied the
invention of agriculture — is actually bacterial evolution. We know
that hostile bacteria — those that cause diseases in ourselves and our
domestic plants and animals — have undergone dramatic genetic changes
in the last 10,000 years. Perhaps our friendly bacteria have, too.

Notes:

For human cells being outnumbered by microbial cells by a factor of
10, see Savage, D. C. 1977. “Microbial ecology of the gastrointestinal
tract.” Annual Review of Microbiology 31: 107-133. For new techniques
in analyzing microbes that we cannot grow in the laboratory see, for
example, Marcy, Y. et al. 2007. “Dissecting biological ‘dark matter’
with single-cell genetic analysis of rare and uncultivated TM7
microbes from the human mouth.” Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences USA 104: 11889-11894.

For bacteria living on hands, see Fierer, N. et al. 2008. “The
influence of sex, handedness, and washing on the diversity of hand
surface bacteria.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA
105: 17994-17999. For gut microbes not being found elsewhere, see Ley,
R. E. et al. 2008. “Worlds within worlds: evolution of the vertebrate
gut microbiota.” Nature Reviews Microbiology 6: 776-788.

For a summary of the essential roles that gut microbes play, see
Turnbaugh, P. J. et al. 2007. “The human microbiome project.” Nature
449: 804-810. For estimates of the number of genes contained in the
microbiome, see Gill, S. R. et al. 2006. “Metagenomic analysis of the
human distal gut microbiome.” Science 312: 1355-1359.

For diet affecting human microbial diversity, see Ley, R. E. et al.
2006. “Human gut microbes associated with obesity.” Nature 444:
1022-1023. For “obese” microbes harvesting more energy, see Turnbaugh,
P. J. et al. 2006. “An obesity-associated gut microbiome with
increased capacity for energy harvest.” Nature 444: 1027-1031. For
initial evidence that the genetic background of the host affects which
microbes are present, see Rawls, J. F. et al. 2006. “Reciprocal gut
microbiota transplants from zebrafish and mice to germ-free recipients
reveal host habitat selection.” Cell 127: 423-433.

For differences in gut microbes between people in China and the United
States, see Li, M. et al. 2008. “Symbiotic gut microbes modulate human
metabolic phenotypes.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
USA 105: 2117-2123. For evidence that different sets of gut microbes
can provide broadly equivalent sets of genes, see Turnbaugh, P. J. et
al. 2009. “A core gut microbiome in obese and lean twins.” Nature 457:
480-484.

For recent and dramatic genetic changes to our hostile bacteria, see
Mira, A., Pushker, R. and Rodriguez-Valera F. 2006. “The Neolithic
revolution of bacterial genomes.” Trends in Microbiology 14: 200-206.

Many thanks to Rob Knight and Jonathan Swire for insights, comments
and suggestions.

http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/microbes-r-us/?pagemode=print





On Aug 3, 4:49 pm, Bob Officer <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
> rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 2, 6:46 pm, Happy Oyster <***@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
>
> >> Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them.
>
> >> --
> >>                  Herausforderung an die Universität Leipzig
>
> >>                    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm
>
> >Cyberstalking and childish comments
>
> Are what we often see from you.
>
> >everything
> >I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity.
>
>  agree with this statement.
> --
> Bob Officer
> Posting the truthhttp://www.skeptics.com.au
Mark Probert
2009-06-26 20:35:52 UTC
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On Jun 26, 4:30 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Happy Oyster wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Arak <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>Are you autistic?
>
> >>Yes, I am.  Diagnosed at 2 years.
>
> > There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know,
> > that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing?
>
> You have an odd and simplistic view of autism. I suppose it is not
> surprising given the current propaganda.

Bob, I think that the problem is that when people hear that Autism is
a "spectrum disorder" they make the assumption that ALL symptoms are
present and their degree varies equally.

Knowing a little about Autism, and a lot about two other disabilities,
I know that each person with ANY disability may or may not have each
symptom or limitation, and the degree each person has their symptoms/
limitations varies, making each person unique. This is true regardless
of the nature of their disability.
Bob Officer
2009-06-26 23:59:54 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 26, 4:30 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Arak <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Are you autistic?
>>
>> >>Yes, I am.  Diagnosed at 2 years.
>>
>> > There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know,
>> > that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing?
>>
>> You have an odd and simplistic view of autism. I suppose it is not
>> surprising given the current propaganda.
>
>Bob, I think that the problem is that when people hear that Autism is
>a "spectrum disorder" they make the assumption that ALL symptoms are
>present and their degree varies equally.
>
>Knowing a little about Autism, and a lot about two other disabilities,
>I know that each person with ANY disability may or may not have each
>symptom or limitation, and the degree each person has their symptoms/
>limitations varies, making each person unique. This is true regardless
>of the nature of their disability.

IIRC the current criteria for diagnosis of ASD is meeting a set
number of symptoms or conditions (7 out of 13). There is no blood
test. it is all observation and subjective.

There are currently about 10 PDDs which are not part of the ASD.

One of the quirks to our current system is funding is set up for
services for children with ASD. That's right once the label of ASD is
applied the magic doors open and help is there.

However, (this is a the big problem, the ugly "BUT") There is nothing
set up for those children with any of these PDD and are not included
in ASD diagnosis. Actually some children are around which might meet
6 conditions out of 13, and get no help, because they can not apply
the ASD label.

That's tragic, isn't it. So we have a constant battle of parents
trying to get these other PDDs included into ASD diagnosis.

Again, the point is the Diagnosis are still subjective, and not
objective. I know one parent that noticed the observer who was
assigned to give a diagnosis, was using the tightest possible set of
criteria so she could deny funding and aid.

Parents with Children with PDD and ASD are political footballs being
used by multiple groups. Funding is power. Some of these people are
not seeking to serve either the public or the Children. they are
seeking power.

and re the subject: ASD and PDD are psychological problems with roots
in a physiological cause. It belongs in the DSM.


--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
Bob Badour
2009-06-27 00:20:44 UTC
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Bob Officer wrote:

> and re the subject: ASD and PDD are psychological problems with roots
> in a physiological cause. It belongs in the DSM.

No, Bob, they are not. They have nothing to do with psychology. They are
genetic in origin and neurological in manifestation. They no more belong
in the DSM than trisomy 21 does.
Muddle
2009-06-27 00:50:05 UTC
Permalink
Bob Officer wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> Mark Probert <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 26, 4:30 pm, Bob Badour <***@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> Happy Oyster wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Arak <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Are you autistic?
>>>>> Yes, I am. Diagnosed at 2 years.
>>>> There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know,
>>>> that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing?
>>> You have an odd and simplistic view of autism. I suppose it is not
>>> surprising given the current propaganda.
>> Bob, I think that the problem is that when people hear that Autism is
>> a "spectrum disorder" they make the assumption that ALL symptoms are
>> present and their degree varies equally.
>>
>> Knowing a little about Autism, and a lot about two other disabilities,
>> I know that each person with ANY disability may or may not have each
>> symptom or limitation, and the degree each person has their symptoms/
>> limitations varies, making each person unique. This is true regardless
>> of the nature of their disability.
>
> IIRC the current criteria for diagnosis of ASD is meeting a set
> number of symptoms or conditions (7 out of 13). There is no blood
> test. it is all observation and subjective.
>
> There are currently about 10 PDDs which are not part of the ASD.
>
> One of the quirks to our current system is funding is set up for
> services for children with ASD. That's right once the label of ASD is
> applied the magic doors open and help is there.
>
> However, (this is a the big problem, the ugly "BUT") There is nothing
> set up for those children with any of these PDD and are not included
> in ASD diagnosis. Actually some children are around which might meet
> 6 conditions out of 13, and get no help, because they can not apply
> the ASD label.
>
> That's tragic, isn't it. So we have a constant battle of parents
> trying to get these other PDDs included into ASD diagnosis.
>
> Again, the point is the Diagnosis are still subjective, and not
> objective. I know one parent that noticed the observer who was
> assigned to give a diagnosis, was using the tightest possible set of
> criteria so she could deny funding and aid.

Parents should take their children to a major medical center's child
neurological or psych. department for diagnosis, not the local community
college graduate who works for the school system, county or state.
Nobody can argue with the diagnosis after that. There's to much at
stake, placing your childs future benefits in the hands of biased
individuals is foolish.

>
> Parents with Children with PDD and ASD are political footballs being
> used by multiple groups. Funding is power. Some of these people are
> not seeking to serve either the public or the Children. they are
> seeking power.
>
> and re the subject: ASD and PDD are psychological problems with roots
> in a physiological cause. It belongs in the DSM.
>
>
Arak
2009-06-27 01:19:24 UTC
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On Jun 26, 6:50 pm, Muddle <***@epix.net> wrote:

>
> Parents should take their children to a major medical center's child
> neurological or psych. department for diagnosis, not the local community
> college graduate who works for the school system, county or state.
> Nobody can argue with the diagnosis after that.  There's to much at
> stake, placing your childs future benefits in the hands of biased
> individuals is foolish.

I agree with you 100%.

I remember all the kids diagnosed with ADD/ADHD in the 90's. I'm some
of them really did have it, but how many didn't and were just bored/
impatient with the dumbing down of today's educational systems?

Now we're in the 21st century and the diagnosis of the decade seems to
be autism. If a kid misbehaves in school, it *must* be autism (or
ADHD... or even both!) What's next?

Please note that the preceding was sarcasm aimed at today's educators
and teachers who seem to think they can diagnose neurological
conditions. This was not aimed at anyone here. I'm just frustrated
with today's educational system and what educators get away with these
days.

Thanks

Arak /|\
toto
2009-06-30 01:33:42 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:59:54 -0700, Bob Officer
<***@127.0.0.7> wrote:

>One of the quirks to our current system is funding is set up for
>services for children with ASD. That's right once the label of ASD is
>applied the magic doors open and help is there.

This is simply untrue.

In some places, it opens doors, in others it makes no difference and
in some cases, insurance does not cover anything if a child is
diagnosed with autism or pdd unless they also have a diagnosis of
mental retardation.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
Mark Probert
2009-06-30 12:56:22 UTC
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On Jun 29, 9:33 pm, toto <***@wicked.witch> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:59:54 -0700, Bob Officer
>
> <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
> >One of the quirks to our current system is funding is set up for
> >services for children with ASD. That's right once the label of ASD is
> >applied the magic doors open and help is there.
>
> This is simply untrue.
>
> In some places, it opens doors, in others it makes no difference and
> in some cases, insurance does not cover anything if a child is
> diagnosed with autism or pdd unless they also have a diagnosis of
> mental retardation.
>
> --
> Dorothy

Hi Dorothy!

>
> There is no sound, no cry in all the world
> that can be heard unless someone listens ..
>
> The Outer Limits
toto
2009-07-02 03:01:57 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 29, 9:33 pm, toto <***@wicked.witch> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:59:54 -0700, Bob Officer
>>
>> <***@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>> >One of the quirks to our current system is funding is set up for
>> >services for children with ASD. That's right once the label of ASD is
>> >applied the magic doors open and help is there.
>>
>> This is simply untrue.
>>
>> In some places, it opens doors, in others it makes no difference and
>> in some cases, insurance does not cover anything if a child is
>> diagnosed with autism or pdd unless they also have a diagnosis of
>> mental retardation.
>>
>> --
>> Dorothy
>
>Hi Dorothy!
>
Hi, Mark


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
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