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by Breshvic on September 18, 2013 in News

Picture: Kelly Murphy for “Dark Matter”
No, he wasn’t in an underground bunker, and he wasn’t abducted!

Without much fanfare, the godfather of paranormal late night talk radio has returned to the airwaves. This time, beaming from an extraterrestrial satellite orbiting the globe and back into homes, Art Bell has signed a contract with Sirius/XM to bring spookiness back to dark nights huddled around the radio. Still operating from his desert enclave in Pahrump, the grizzled master of ceremonies proves that he’s still got the panache to handle topics scientific and… well, we’ll just say fringe.

His first interview back behind the mic was with Coast-to-Coast veteran and world-renowned physicist Michio Kaku, now famous as a popular science advocate for his work on Explorations in Science, Big Think and countless other outlets. An appropriate choice considering Art’s new show is named Dark Matter, and the CUNY Professor of Theoretical Physics opens our ears and minds to the cosmic, the subatomic, and the quantum in the same way that Art Bell had introduced us to the astral, the demonic, and the ghostly over his career.

With equal aplomb Art delved into this scientific universe with his guest, and later revived our taste for the weird with something almost forgotten to late-night listeners; the unscreened open lines. Though many of his prodigal callers were simple well-wishing fans or new acolytes who only knew of his legacy through old recordings and word-of-mouth, we wait with baited breathe for the inevitable onslaught of the unpredictable soon to follow. Anything can happen with truly Open Lines. Even Art himself seemed worried that the infamous J.C. would return to berate him at any moment.

I remember my introduction to Art Bell’s halcyon era of Coast-to-Coast as a kid; my father and I were roaming the streets at night in search of a water vacuum with which to control some of the damage from a broken water heater. While I was wondering at the yellow flashing of sleepless traffic signs, my father in that wry and inspiring way he had when introducing me to new spectacles clicked on the worn radio knobs of our 80′s Buick Skylark. Soon my head was swimming with novel concepts; a woman who claimed that Reptilians stole her newborn baby at the hospital, a man who could talk to wolves, and tales of a hollow Earth filled with extra-dimensional beings.

Over the years that followed, I became a filthy addict, ear glued nightly to the adventures of ghost hunters, UFO chasers, conspiracy nuts, astral projectors, time travelers, demon exorcisers, government agents in black, shadow people, sounds from hell, aliens in freezers and a guy with a really big hole. In the remainder of the 1990′s Art Bell ruled the airwaves (and I was already a radio junkie, growing up in Cincinnati with the Big One, the Red Machine, and Gary Burbank). The 20th-Century closed with this unique brand balancing between credulous belief and incisive questioning. The 21st century unfolded in those first few years with this eerie backdrop for me, even changing my sleep schedule in High School to accommodate wee-hour listening.

I credit Art Bell as one of the defining influences over my worldview, though many know that I am no true believer. But always fascinated by the macabre and strange, it was Art’s purposeful direction of otherwise disparate topics that otherwise languished in obscurity that opened my mind to other-wordly possibilities. Perhaps ironically, the outrageous claims of his guests and callers would eventually lead me to the happy camp of skepticism, as Art himself would often reserve his judgement for many a faithful, intuitive, abductee, kook, pseudoscientist or coy charlatan. All at once gracious, charming, gruff and direct, Art may not be the ideal hero for skeptics or critical thinkers (in fact, many see him as an abusive media persona, mistakenly confusing his radically open forum as tacit endorsement of all sorts of loonies and militants). But without his wild questioning, his deference to our cosmic ignorance, and very realist adherence to the all-mighty clock, I do not think I would have been led as clearly into the respectfulness that I have when discussing my skeptical or atheistic views.

When discussing religion with the religious, or spirits with the spiritual, or science with the pseudo-scientific, it is important to remember that your conversational partner is not stupid, or crazy, or a liar. Art would on rare occasion let slip his skepticism relating to aliens, bigfoot, or even God, but not for one instance did he allow that to disrespectfully interfere with a well-intentioned interviewee’s heartfelt (and entertaining) story.

Those old shows, in content and style, typify so well the Carl Sagan quote “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out!” Though undeniably, many an unscreened caller is a cautionary example of what happens too far down the road of uncritical true belief, more important is the patience and willingness to listen to others, and attempt to understand their beliefs without immediately sacrificing your own. More upstanding still are those who sincerely consider the thoughts, opinions, beliefs and values of their fellow man, instead of making them a sounding board for their own sense of “rational” superiority.

Everyone has a good ghost story, or pet conspiracy theory, or tale of angels, creepy phone calls, or black helicopters. But winning more of them over with honey is not just advised, but necessary. As astronomer and skeptical mover-and-shaker Phil Plait recently lectured (himself quoting Wil Wheaton) ‘don’t be a dick’, because such behavior invariably only drives people away and entrenches them further into their belief system. Don’t cram your own analysis down your friend’s maw, because they believe in their ghost story for their good reasons. It’s really better, in fact easier for everyone, to gently offer more grounded alternatives, evidence, and teach the value of falsification for the claims of others and of one’s self. And besides, in the end, all a true skeptic can say is that they just don’t know. It’s best to be skeptical and critical of your own biases, because of the hundred-million possible explanations, one must certainly include the outrageous ones as well.

This is a difficult balance struck by Art Bell. His guests always felt comfortable telling their unbelievable stories in full, and were thus much more receptive and forthcoming when their friendly but determined host did play devil’s advocate, or cut into the meat of their matter with diagonal perspective, or well-placed doubtful query.

Perhaps one felt that Art didn’t go far enough, perhaps sparing his guests too easily from critical inquisition. You may disagree with where he draws that precarious line, but he makes his personal attempt to draw it. Art Bell would explore all manner of fringe philosophy, but would have no truck with the blatantly deceptive fraud, like Uri Geller or John David Oates.

Conversely, general consensus among many demographics is that the current Coast to Coast AM host, George Noory, is too easy-going, bordering on endorsement of every theory presented. A Google search of his name reveals the first auto-fill suggestion is ‘George Noory sucks’, and his sleepy delivery and more predictable roster of guests and topics has earned him the pejorative nickname ‘George Snoory’ from the die-hards. While I do think that many go too far in some of the more rabid attacks (Noory always struck me as a clueless grandfather, happily whistling while others would do deeper analysis), there can be no doubt that his era has been defined by unquestioning submission to spotlight-stealers like Linda Moulton Howe and Richard C. Hoagland. It seems obvious that at times, he has mentally tuned out from the longer tirades of guests, responding with a distracted and delayed ‘well… there’s no doubt about that’ instead of reining them in. Heavily reliant on the slick production and packaging, Coast to Coast has slowly but surely changed into a similarly glossy product to so many other homogenous mainstream media shows. A certain staleness comes with screening out the more erratic callers. Though the fare is still the ‘out-of-this-world’, it seems fair to mention that such entertainment is also a profitable commodity with a large majority audience; something that, it bears mentioning, Art Bell proved over many years of toil.

Art himself does have harsh words for the corporate giant Premiere Radio Network for what the show has become, and the way they treated he and his family over the years; refusing to support Art (one of their hottest assets) during his lawsuit, and refusing to remove his older shows from the site’s archive at his request (they are still some of the most demanded programs). As for Mr. Noory, Art holds no grudge or ill-will, but did characterize the host as ‘lazy’, and hopes that the competition will perhaps improve all parties in that truly free-market manner.

“As you all can see I am up late (in training for Dark Matter) as somebody mentioned on my page there is no reason both shows can not coexist. George does one type of show and I do another, both should benefit from competition, that’s how the rest of the World works.” ~Art Bell’s Facebook

Art’s new show, Dark Matter, airs at 10pm Eastern/7pm Pacific, and so doesn’t directly compete with Coast. With much of the same bumper music, guests, and hopefully zany recurring callers, it feels as though no time has passed at all since Art’s old hosting days nearly a decade ago. His voice is a little smokier, the news of drones and NSA wiretapping a little more paranoid, but things are still quickening all the same.

I nabbed a 30-Day free trial of Sirius to take a ride on his inaugural night from the high desert, and I wasn’t disappointed. I look forward to many more liminal topics at the edge of vision. Welcome back, Art!

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Art Bell the traitor should move back to the Philippines where he clearly belongs. Better yet, why not put Art Bell on the bottom of the ocean? Just keep that slime bucket off the airways.
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11/04/13 11:09 PM ET
The much ballyhooed return of paranormal radio host Art Bell ended in just six weeks.

The master of UFOs, fringe science and conspiracy theory is apparently at odds with SiriusXM over live streaming for his millions of fans.

The 68-year-old co-creator of the hugely successful "Coast to Coast AM" retired from his full-time role of master of the macabre in 2003, after 15 years. Over that span, he went from mainstream talk to a highly successful foray into unexplained phenomena, turning the syndicated juggernaut into the most listened to overnight show in North America.

The late night show's reins were comfortably taken over by the popular George Noory.

This past July, SiriusXM Satellite Radio announced that Bell would launch a new, live, nightly call-in show, "Art Bell's Dark Matter," in September.

But since Bell's new program Sept. 16 premiere, there have been, according to Bell on his website, many problems with streaming his show.


"Many thousands of my listeners came on board when it began but they have fallen off because of that reason," Bell said. "It's a systemic problem. For a caller-driven show like this one, speaking only to people on cell phones in moving vehicles is somewhat difficult.
"The show also is being pirated, oh you have no idea. We are all over the Net right now, from YouTube to a server in England, for example, that's streaming the show live. And because of all this, I have asked SiriusXM to alter their normal method of doing business and allow free streaming for everybody from artbell.com.

"If we get the opportunity to do this streaming, we will kick some serious butt...If not, we may not have a viable situation going forward."

It appears that SiriusXM has decided not to work things out for Bell, as his website now indicates he posted the following on his Facebook page:

"Sometimes when you are 'all in' you win, sometimes lose. By mutual agreement, Dark Matter will no longer air as of tonight."

georgenoory

HuffPost's call to SiriuxXM for a comment on this Bell rumor was not returned. When we contacted Noory (pictured at left), the top overnight radio host in the country, for his reaction, he merely said, "No comment."

Plus, an unnamed source scheduled for an appearance on Bell's show received an email from someone in Bell's camp, which stated: "I regret to inform you (and all upcoming guests) that "Art Bell's Dark Matter" program will no longer be airing live shows effective immediately. I'm really thankful for your efforts with regards to being on the program and I truly apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

"Should events change in the future, I'll be sure to let you know."

The show had only been on the air since Sept. 16, and tonight's program is a scheduled repeat, after only being on SiriusXM for just six weeks.

And once again, Art Bell's radio voice is quiet.

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Paranormal Radio Host Art Bell Mysteriously Disappears From SiriusXM
11/04/13 11:09 PM ET
The much ballyhooed return of paranormal radio host Art Bell ended in just six weeks.
The master of UFOs, fringe science and conspiracy theory is apparently at odds with SiriusXM over live streaming for his millions of fans.
The 68-year-old co-creator of the hugely successful "Coast to Coast AM" retired from his full-time role of master of the macabre in 2003, after 15 years. Over that span, he went from mainstream talk to a highly successful foray into unexplained phenomena, turning the syndicated juggernaut into the most listened to overnight show in North America.
The late night show's reins were comfortably taken over by the popular George Noory.
This past July, SiriusXM Satellite Radio announced that Bell would launch a new, live, nightly call-in show, "Art Bell's Dark Matter," in September.
But since Bell's new program Sept. 16 premiere, there have been, according to Bell on his website, many problems with streaming his show.
"Many thousands of my listeners came on board when it began but they have fallen off because of that reason," Bell said. "It's a systemic problem. For a caller-driven show like this one, speaking only to people on cell phones in moving vehicles is somewhat difficult.
"The show also is being pirated, oh you have no idea. We are all over the Net right now, from YouTube to a server in England, for example, that's streaming the show live. And because of all this, I have asked SiriusXM to alter their normal method of doing business and allow free streaming for everybody from artbell.com.
"If we get the opportunity to do this streaming, we will kick some serious butt...If not, we may not have a viable situation going forward."
"Sometimes when you are 'all in' you win, sometimes lose. By mutual agreement, Dark Matter will no longer air as of tonight."
georgenoory
HuffPost's call to SiriuxXM for a comment on this Bell rumor was not returned. When we contacted Noory (pictured at left), the top overnight radio host in the country, for his reaction, he merely said, "No comment."
Plus, an unnamed source scheduled for an appearance on Bell's show received an email from someone in Bell's camp, which stated: "I regret to inform you (and all upcoming guests) that "Art Bell's Dark Matter" program will no longer be airing live shows effective immediately. I'm really thankful for your efforts with regards to being on the program and I truly apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
"Should events change in the future, I'll be sure to let you know."
The show had only been on the air since Sept. 16, and tonight's program is a scheduled repeat, after only being on SiriusXM for just six weeks.
And once again, Art Bell's radio voice is quiet.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4215776/
It is NOT a systemic problem. It is an Art Bell problem. Art is nothing but a drama queen.

Art Bell is the Lindsay Lohan of talk radio. Art has always been a serious joke. His ratings simply wont there.

Speaking of jokes, Oliver Crangle comes to my mind. Oliver sucks! His ratings are NOT there!
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by Breshvic on September 18, 2013 in News
Picture: Kelly Murphy for “Dark Matter”
No, he wasn’t in an underground bunker, and he wasn’t abducted!
Without much fanfare, the godfather of paranormal late night talk radio has returned to the airwaves. This time, beaming from an extraterrestrial satellite orbiting the globe and back into homes, Art Bell has signed a contract with Sirius/XM to bring spookiness back to dark nights huddled around the radio. Still operating from his desert enclave in Pahrump, the grizzled master of ceremonies proves that he’s still got the panache to handle topics scientific and… well, we’ll just say fringe.
His first interview back behind the mic was with Coast-to-Coast veteran and world-renowned physicist Michio Kaku, now famous as a popular science advocate for his work on Explorations in Science, Big Think and countless other outlets. An appropriate choice considering Art’s new show is named Dark Matter, and the CUNY Professor of Theoretical Physics opens our ears and minds to the cosmic, the subatomic, and the quantum in the same way that Art Bell had introduced us to the astral, the demonic, and the ghostly over his career.
With equal aplomb Art delved into this scientific universe with his guest, and later revived our taste for the weird with something almost forgotten to late-night listeners; the unscreened open lines. Though many of his prodigal callers were simple well-wishing fans or new acolytes who only knew of his legacy through old recordings and word-of-mouth, we wait with baited breathe for the inevitable onslaught of the unpredictable soon to follow. Anything can happen with truly Open Lines. Even Art himself seemed worried that the infamous J.C. would return to berate him at any moment.
I remember my introduction to Art Bell’s halcyon era of Coast-to-Coast as a kid; my father and I were roaming the streets at night in search of a water vacuum with which to control some of the damage from a broken water heater. While I was wondering at the yellow flashing of sleepless traffic signs, my father in that wry and inspiring way he had when introducing me to new spectacles clicked on the worn radio knobs of our 80′s Buick Skylark. Soon my head was swimming with novel concepts; a woman who claimed that Reptilians stole her newborn baby at the hospital, a man who could talk to wolves, and tales of a hollow Earth filled with extra-dimensional beings.
Over the years that followed, I became a filthy addict, ear glued nightly to the adventures of ghost hunters, UFO chasers, conspiracy nuts, astral projectors, time travelers, demon exorcisers, government agents in black, shadow people, sounds from hell, aliens in freezers and a guy with a really big hole. In the remainder of the 1990′s Art Bell ruled the airwaves (and I was already a radio junkie, growing up in Cincinnati with the Big One, the Red Machine, and Gary Burbank). The 20th-Century closed with this unique brand balancing between credulous belief and incisive questioning. The 21st century unfolded in those first few years with this eerie backdrop for me, even changing my sleep schedule in High School to accommodate wee-hour listening.
I credit Art Bell as one of the defining influences over my worldview, though many know that I am no true believer. But always fascinated by the macabre and strange, it was Art’s purposeful direction of otherwise disparate topics that otherwise languished in obscurity that opened my mind to other-wordly possibilities. Perhaps ironically, the outrageous claims of his guests and callers would eventually lead me to the happy camp of skepticism, as Art himself would often reserve his judgement for many a faithful, intuitive, abductee, kook, pseudoscientist or coy charlatan. All at once gracious, charming, gruff and direct, Art may not be the ideal hero for skeptics or critical thinkers (in fact, many see him as an abusive media persona, mistakenly confusing his radically open forum as tacit endorsement of all sorts of loonies and militants). But without his wild questioning, his deference to our cosmic ignorance, and very realist adherence to the all-mighty clock, I do not think I would have been led as clearly into the respectfulness that I have when discussing my skeptical or atheistic views.
When discussing religion with the religious, or spirits with the spiritual, or science with the pseudo-scientific, it is important to remember that your conversational partner is not stupid, or crazy, or a liar. Art would on rare occasion let slip his skepticism relating to aliens, bigfoot, or even God, but not for one instance did he allow that to disrespectfully interfere with a well-intentioned interviewee’s heartfelt (and entertaining) story.
Those old shows, in content and style, typify so well the Carl Sagan quote “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out!” Though undeniably, many an unscreened caller is a cautionary example of what happens too far down the road of uncritical true belief, more important is the patience and willingness to listen to others, and attempt to understand their beliefs without immediately sacrificing your own. More upstanding still are those who sincerely consider the thoughts, opinions, beliefs and values of their fellow man, instead of making them a sounding board for their own sense of “rational” superiority.
Everyone has a good ghost story, or pet conspiracy theory, or tale of angels, creepy phone calls, or black helicopters. But winning more of them over with honey is not just advised, but necessary. As astronomer and skeptical mover-and-shaker Phil Plait recently lectured (himself quoting Wil Wheaton) ‘don’t be a dick’, because such behavior invariably only drives people away and entrenches them further into their belief system. Don’t cram your own analysis down your friend’s maw, because they believe in their ghost story for their good reasons. It’s really better, in fact easier for everyone, to gently offer more grounded alternatives, evidence, and teach the value of falsification for the claims of others and of one’s self. And besides, in the end, all a true skeptic can say is that they just don’t know. It’s best to be skeptical and critical of your own biases, because of the hundred-million possible explanations, one must certainly include the outrageous ones as well.
This is a difficult balance struck by Art Bell. His guests always felt comfortable telling their unbelievable stories in full, and were thus much more receptive and forthcoming when their friendly but determined host did play devil’s advocate, or cut into the meat of their matter with diagonal perspective, or well-placed doubtful query.
Perhaps one felt that Art didn’t go far enough, perhaps sparing his guests too easily from critical inquisition. You may disagree with where he draws that precarious line, but he makes his personal attempt to draw it. Art Bell would explore all manner of fringe philosophy, but would have no truck with the blatantly deceptive fraud, like Uri Geller or John David Oates.
Conversely, general consensus among many demographics is that the current Coast to Coast AM host, George Noory, is too easy-going, bordering on endorsement of every theory presented. A Google search of his name reveals the first auto-fill suggestion is ‘George Noory sucks’, and his sleepy delivery and more predictable roster of guests and topics has earned him the pejorative nickname ‘George Snoory’ from the die-hards. While I do think that many go too far in some of the more rabid attacks (Noory always struck me as a clueless grandfather, happily whistling while others would do deeper analysis), there can be no doubt that his era has been defined by unquestioning submission to spotlight-stealers like Linda Moulton Howe and Richard C. Hoagland. It seems obvious that at times, he has mentally tuned out from the longer tirades of guests, responding with a distracted and delayed ‘well… there’s no doubt about that’ instead of reining them in. Heavily reliant on the slick production and packaging, Coast to Coast has slowly but surely changed into a similarly glossy product to so many other homogenous mainstream media shows. A certain staleness comes with screening out the more erratic callers. Though the fare is still the ‘out-of-this-world’, it seems fair to mention that such entertainment is also a profitable commodity with a large majority audience; something that, it bears mentioning, Art Bell proved over many years of toil.
Art himself does have harsh words for the corporate giant Premiere Radio Network for what the show has become, and the way they treated he and his family over the years; refusing to support Art (one of their hottest assets) during his lawsuit, and refusing to remove his older shows from the site’s archive at his request (they are still some of the most demanded programs). As for Mr. Noory, Art holds no grudge or ill-will, but did characterize the host as ‘lazy’, and hopes that the competition will perhaps improve all parties in that truly free-market manner.
“As you all can see I am up late (in training for Dark Matter) as somebody mentioned on my page there is no reason both shows can not coexist. George does one type of show and I do another, both should benefit from competition, that’s how the rest of the World works.” ~Art Bell’s Facebook
Art’s new show, Dark Matter, airs at 10pm Eastern/7pm Pacific, and so doesn’t directly compete with Coast. With much of the same bumper music, guests, and hopefully zany recurring callers, it feels as though no time has passed at all since Art’s old hosting days nearly a decade ago. His voice is a little smokier, the news of drones and NSA wiretapping a little more paranoid, but things are still quickening all the same.
I nabbed a 30-Day free trial of Sirius to take a ride on his inaugural night from the high desert, and I wasn’t disappointed. I look forward to many more liminal topics at the edge of vision. Welcome back, Art!
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alt.fan.art-bell info:

http://www.psicounsel.com/afabinfo.html

What does this post have to do with Art Bell, and alt.fan.art-bell ?

See **** notation below.

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Bob Officer, who and what is he? See here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html

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Use the above message ID in GOOGLE...

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

...for information about what a *** "control freak" is on USENET.

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 23:36:49 -0800
http://www.skepticult.org
DK: http://www.psicounsel.com/skeporg.html
Could you please post using...<snip>
DK: I will please post, as I please.
DK: Don't read it if you don't like it.
DK: Someone wrote about "kook of the year."

DK: Brought down to hard facts, this "kook" of anything
DK: is, in these cases, nothing more that a group of fanatics
DK: declaring that someone who publicly * exposes their tactics
DK: on USENET is supposed to be a "kook." It, typically,
DK: amounts to about 40 stupid, and immature, people "voting."

DK: What of this * exposure? See here...

http://www.psicounsel.com/news/index.html

QUOTING DK:

...when writers of posts place a load of
crap in place of real discussion, I ignore
and snip much of it. I don't have a lot of
time to waste.

DK: Without all your comments, the above stands by itself
DK: as my statement, and it is an accurate assessment of
DK: my actions when the above is applicable.

QUOTING DK:

"I chop away for the sake of brevity, to make my
post readable. Your writing is part of my post.
I want all that writing brief."

DK: That is exactly what I do. I do not change meanings. The
quoted portions contain the essence of what the other
person said.

DK: "Could you please post using... <snip>"

DK: The above is one example. Someone is
DK: telling me how they think I should post.
DK: The relevant fact is included...

DK: Please post... [in a certain way]

DK: It does not matter, for the purpose of
DK: discussion, what way that is. It's irrelevant.

DK: I refused. That ends it, and points to the fact that
DK: little of what the other person wrote, is relevant.

DK: Later on, I clarified and told the person
DK: why little of what they write is important, also.

DK: *** Let's see what a "control freak" of the USENET variety is, shall we?
"AntiSpammers and the Savior Syndrome
Editorial by Dave Hayes
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Any of you who are familiar with the seemingly tireless game of
spam/anti-spam will notice that
1.. Marked need to control others
2.. Vehement desire to be taken seriously
3.. Fanatical insistence on their own honesty and integrity
4.. Inability to consider other points of view as valid
What's going on here? Well, I call it the Savior Syndrome.
Start with the control freak
Anyone who has observed human beings for a while has noticed that the most
out-of-control humans
are the ones that attempt to control and dominate others. These people
somehow know that they
need to control someone, or they wouldn't be so controlling. Unfortunately,
they've picked the
wrong focus. Instead of trying to control themselves, they flip and try to
control everyone else.
It's easy to make this mistake. However, while this may make them feel more
effective, the
original problem still remains (namely, the fact that they are still
out-of-control). So the need
to control (to fix the problem) doesn't go away, and may in fact
increase...persistant problems
continuing to exist for longer and longer periods of time tend to increase
the need to fix the
problem.
So a failure to diagnose the real problem, leads to an ever-increasing
spiral of control, which
produces a person commonly referred to as a "control freak". You know such
a person by watching
their reaction to your actions. If you do something they do not like (by
whatever arbitrary
standard), they not only let you know loudly, they attempt to prevent you
from doing it in anyway
they can. The more futile this attempt is, the harder they try. Eventually
they will stop at
nothing to "get you to stop". Amazing, isn't it?"
http://shideh.jetcafe.org/dave/usenet/dheditorial4.html
DK: I don't believe the above link works anymore.

<snip>

DK: Now, let's look at the /bobofficer.html pages...

DK: You say, again and again, that my pages are "self-referencing"
DK: no matter how many times I refute the statement, and prove
DK: the opposite. You never reply to my rebuttals. Are you an idiot?

DK: Here is one example of a page that is far from "self-referencing"...

DK: http://www.psicounsel.com/skepcrit.html

DK: Here are some of the /bobofficer pages...

DK: http://www.psicounsel.com/boboff06.html

DK: Is that one of the so-called "self-referencing" pages?

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=37a6904a.1709533%40news.supernews.com&output=gplain

DK: Above is one of the first references, this one to your...

"obsession about my URL mention..."

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http://www.psicounsel.com/luci122000.html

DK: How about the above page?

DK: Is this, as you call it, "self-referencing"?...

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=91ptfe%24ale%241%40news5.svr.pol.co.uk&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

DK: What does this _OTHER_ person say about you?

DK: "...your tiny, obsessed, control freaked-out little mind."

DK: "Self-referencing" ?

DK: What else does this person say about you?

"...your thought process...is a mixture of
immature conspiracy theories and plain
ol' fashioned paranoia."

DK: There you have it, no "self-referencing" there.

DK: Let's look at some other pages, shall we?

DK: TYPE: " skeptics what they do and why " in the YAHOO search engine...
www.yahoo.com

DK: Then look at this link from the page...

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DK: http://www.psicounsel.com/discouraged.html

DK: Here is what you find...

DK: http://www.artbell.com/

DK: http://www.psicounsel.com/forged.html#ab

DK: What's there, so-called "self-referencing," huh BO?

DK: No, not hardly. There is post after hateful post FORGING
Art Bell, paranormal talk-show host.

DK: There is link after link to GOOGLE archives, proving the
FORGERIES, allegedly from Art Bell, were written.

DK Webmaster of the www.artbell.com site, Keith Rowland, wrote:

"In my opinion, don't bother reading the alt.fan.art-bell
USENET newsgroup as it has been invaded by
rude, crude and lewd flamers who have nothing
better to do than turn the newsgroup into a childish
name calling playground. <snip>"

DK: Read the above carefully. It's advice, which I interpret to
mean, these "flamers" have TAKEN OVER. To me, and
to others, it means they have TAKEN CONTROL, by making
the newsgroup undesirable to those who are FANS of Art Bell:
those who found value in the discussions about the paranormal talked

about on the Art Bell program. The FANS were the ones who founded
the newsgroup.

DK: The newsgroup became far more in harmony with those who
were PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS.

DK: The above quote is at...

http://www.psicounsel.com/discouraged.html

DK: How is this also happening to alt.paranormal? Who are these "flamers"
?

DK Huh? Who are the control-freaks who try to control content in these
newsgroups?

DK: Look here for answers...

NET CENSORSHIP AND TERRORISM (NCAT)

http://www.psicounsel.com/discsens.html

DK: The control freaks are mostly PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS. See
GOOGLE for their past posts showing their position regarding the
paranormal and astrology, and this page...

http://www.psicounsel.com/whos.html

DK: Is that self-referencing? Do you want to contact Keith Rowland, who
I've quoted?

DK: Do you want to ask him if the reference, the quote, is correct?

DK: Do you want to contact GOOGLE, freak, to see if
DK: I planted all this in their archives?

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