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The Assault on Medical Freedom
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carole
2010-08-20 09:33:59 UTC
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There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.

There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all starting
off with the AMA.

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The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html

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Acting as an undercover agent, author P.J. Lisa gained access to the secret
files of the AMA's Chicago Department of investigation under the guise of
collecting information to expose "mental health quackery."

The first three days gave Lisa access to hundreds of photocopies of memos,
minutes, and other documents that launched a 10-year search for answers that
proved little about the existence of quackery in alternative medicine, but
much about an organized propaganda machine that intended to discredit and
destroy all alternatives to drugless medicine and all foreign drugs. Lisa
found fresh, hard documentation to prove that a "totalitarian
medical-pharmaceutical police state" had been organized since 1847, the
birth of the AMA, and a conspiracy slowly developed, funded by the
pharmaceutical industry and the AMA, to ust the insurance industry, the US
Department of Justice, the Federal Trade Commission, the IRS, the US Postal
Service, and and many other state and federal agencies as pawns in the game
of establishing a single medical monopoly.

The AMA was pictured as a greed-motivated trade union from its very
beginning that had ethical conduct and quality of medical education as its
official purpose, but in reality was more interested in systematically
eliminating all competitors to is monetary and political interests.

Funded by the Carnegie Foundation, Abraham Flexner was ostensibly empowered
to investigate the quality of medical education in all 161 medical schools
that existed in 1910. In reality, Flexner knew in advance what he would
find. He used consistency with "modern scientific medicine" as a tool to
glorify AMA drug-oriented medical schools at the same time discrediting all
alternative colleges of medicine that didn't use Rockefeller's brand of
science and Rockefeller's industries. In league with the Rockefeller
billions, Flexner helped destroy the credibility and funding sources for
nearly all schools that used drugless-medicine. 161 medical schools became
81 by 1919; medical graduates declined from 5,747
to 2,658. "Overcrowding" of a profession had been the public AMA theme
song decrying the threat to "opportunities of those already in the
profession to acquire a livelihood."
Alternative medicine and even Sears catalogue of home remedies were seen as
competitors to be wiped out.

Although MD-oriented trauma care is acknowledged to be the best in the
world, allopathic MD-oriented drug medicine was reported by the
Congressional Office of Technology Assessment to he only 15 - 20% effective
as a medical approach. Despite this, the AMA's board of directors stated
mission was to publish articles that attacked effective alternative
treatment as "quackery".

This propaganda machine slowly expanded over the years. By 1964, the AMA's
Committee on Quackery extended its membership to become the Coordinating
Conference on Health information. CCHI membership included AMA officers,
The American Cancer Society, The American Pharmaceutical Association,
The Arthritis Foundation, The Council of Better Business Bureaus, The
National Health Council, which invited the FDA, The Federal Trade
Commission, US Postal Service, The Office of Consumer Affairs, US and State
Attorney Generals' Offices, and the IRS to attend national meetings. CCHI
officials allegedly asked the FDA to prosecute drugless "quackery" targets
that had regional or national notoriety beginning to intrude on market share
of the legal drug lords and the doctors prescribing drugs. The Federal
Trade Commission was asked to get injunctions against competitive
advertisements, the US Postal Service to put mail watches on clinics,
manufacturers, and individual doctors who used alternative therapies in
order to discredit and destroy competition from chiropractic, acupuncture,
homeopathy, naturopathy, vitamin therapy, Japanese cancer vaccines,
alternative books on cancer treatments, all alternative cancer treatments
and all alternative drugless arthritic treatments.

Lisa's book, like Breggin's Toxic Psychiatry, Beasley's Betrayal of Health,
Mendelsohn's Confessions of a Medical Heretic, Carter's Racketeering in
Medicine, and a growing number of other similar books, is unique in the
detail of its hard documentation from minutes of CCHI's meetings and
evidence which shows federal agencies complying with CCHI's targets and
goals. Court injunctions have been successfully levied against everything
from books to importing acupuncture needles as a result.

**Lisa's evidence suggested that by 1984, this medical conspiracy had
targeted vitamins, minerals, enzymes, raw milk, and laetrile, as well as a
plan to exclude chiropractic and other alternative health care from
insurance coverage.

Any product, store, doctor, or manufacturer of any competitor to drug
health care was the subject of media discrediting, licensing board
harassment, seizure or raid. The FDA and Pharmaceutical Advertising
Council had entered into an agreement to form a joint anti-quackery
campaign. Key congressional leaders were invited to meetings and asked to
join in the effort. Initially, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Medicare, Aetna, the
Health Association of America were fed a black list of doctors and
treatments that were "questionable" and asked to exclude them from coverage.
By 1986-88, a computer data base created by this conspiracy helped to deny
insurance claims by hundreds of insurers. One myth we have all heard was
created by this kind of unholy alliance: "vitamins only produce expensive
urine." At the same time officials of the FDA cooperated by attacking food
supplements that were proving to be competitors to drug treatment. Merck,
Sharpe, Dohme, Roche, Lederle, and Burroughs-Wellcome diversified into giant
producers of vitamins with massive TV campaigns to promote their sales.
These companies were never raided by FDA inspectors; only the drugless
manufactures were. Vitamin E alone has now become a $338 million a year
market.

Few of the FDA raid-seizure operations were ever motivated by interests
protecting the safety of the consumer. Instead, the FDA's own health Fraud
Consumer Report of 1988 targeted cancer, arthritis, and other food
supplement treatments that were known to be "very effective to somewhat
effective." Lisa's point: safety or effectiveness was not the real issue -
identification of serious competition to drugs was the issue.

**The middle third of the book is devoted to case histories of companies,
professions such as chiropractic, chelation therapy, naturopathy,
acupuncture, wholisitic dentistry, and homeopathy that had been targeted for
harassment, delicensing, or discrediting.

The last third of Lisa's book deals with useful advice for both doctors and
consumers for fighting back to retain or regain their health freedom.
Sections include how to challenge insurance companies that deny claims,
legal remedies from small claims courts to Insurance Company State
Regulatory Commissions, and private suits.

One fascinating avenue mentioned is filing a complaint with the Federal
Trade Commission which is partly empowered to investigate and enforce
anti-trust violations. Enough information is given in Assault Against
Medical Freedom to be useful for individuals and groups to right wrongs
brought against them by a conspiracy that still threatens to take away our
medical freedoms, despite the passage of Senate Bill 784. It's a book
entirely worth reading and a book worth acting on before it is too late.
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, and I did not speak up
because I was not a Communist....Then they came for the Catholics, and I did
not protest because I was a Protestant....Then they came for me, and by that
time there was no one left to speak up."

Clinton's Health Reform as presently written levies penalties against
individuals choosing to take advantage of alternative medicine; $50,000 for
each offense to the patient, another $50,000 for each doctor. Should the
Health Reform Bills ever pass in their present state, everyone may be
covered, but all alternative medicine will be outlawed. (Townsend letter
for Doctors, Nov. 1994). When the federal government becomes a health
monopoly, the Sherman anti-trust laws no longer apply. Anti-monopoly laws
apply only to private industries.

carole
www.soiltheory.com
carole
2010-08-20 09:59:42 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.

In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.

carole
www.soiltheory.com
Martin
2010-08-20 14:46:07 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
Post by carole
carole
www.soiltheory.com
carole
2010-08-20 19:39:12 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy

al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.

Allopathy
Conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses substances or
techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.
Mentioned in: Homeopathic Medicine, Acute Prescribing, Homeopathic Medicine,
Constitutional Prescribing
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All
rights reserved.

allopathy
a system of medical therapy in which a disease or an abnormal condition is
treated by creating an environment that is antagonistic to the disease or
condition; for example, an antibiotic toxic to a pathogenic organism is
administered to treat an infection.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

allopathy
n method of medical treatment in which drugs are administered to antagonize
the disease.
Jonas: Mosby's Dictionary of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. (c)
2005, Elsevier.

allopathy
in homeopathy, the use of treatments that are unrelated to the disease
process itself.
Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc.
All rights reserved
Post by Martin
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carole
www.soiltheory.com
Martin
2010-08-21 07:37:00 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does. Symptoms are used to guide diagnosis.
That symptoms go away after a patient is cured is a logical effect. Or
do you want to claim that if a patient has, say, pain in the abdomen,
the treatment is succesfull if the patient ends up with more pain?
carole
2010-08-21 09:54:10 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Martin
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
The dictionary at http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
makes it quite clear that allopathy is a method of treatment used by
conventional medicine.


Allopathy
Conventional medical treatment of disease symptoms that uses substances or
techniques to oppose or suppress the symptoms.
Mentioned in: Homeopathic Medicine, Acute Prescribing, Homeopathic Medicine,
Constitutional Prescribing
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All
rights reserved.

allopathy
a system of medical therapy in which a disease or an abnormal condition is
treated by creating an environment that is antagonistic to the disease or
condition; for example, an antibiotic toxic to a pathogenic organism is
administered to treat an infection.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.
Post by Martin
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does. Symptoms are used to guide diagnosis.
That symptoms go away after a patient is cured is a logical effect. Or
do you want to claim that if a patient has, say, pain in the abdomen,
the treatment is succesfull if the patient ends up with more pain?
Well yes it does.
In cancer the treatment is aimed at killing the cancer.
With fungi or bacteria the treatment is aimed at killing them.

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Martin
2010-08-21 15:30:01 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
The dictionary at http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
makes it quite clear that allopathy is a method of treatment used by
conventional medicine.
They are talking out of their arse. Why do you believe these third or
fourthhand sources? Why don't you go straight to the man who defined
the word - Hahnemann.
Just google 'Project Gutenberg Hahnemann' and you will get to read a
free copy of his book. You can just use the search function to find
the word, so you don't have to read the whole book.
Post by carole
Allopathy
Conventional medical ....
yeah yeah yeah.
Carole, I did not disagree with you there. No need to repeat it.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does. Symptoms are used to guide diagnosis.
That symptoms go away after a patient is cured is a logical effect. Or
do you want to claim that if a patient has, say, pain in the abdomen,
the treatment is succesfull if the patient ends up with more pain?
Well yes it does.
Really? You're kidding me right? Even you can not possibly mean that a
cure for a disease works if the patient is worse of after the cure.
Please tell me you don't mean that.
Post by carole
In cancer the treatment is aimed at killing the cancer.
Well, yes, what does that have to do with anthing? Are you saying that
if you kill the cancer, meaning the patient is cured and can live a
full life instead of dying horribly, he's worse of then before?
Post by carole
With fungi or bacteria the treatment is aimed at killing them.
Yes, so??? Your point?
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
carole
2010-08-21 23:13:24 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
The dictionary at
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
makes it quite clear that allopathy is a method of treatment used by
conventional medicine.
They are talking out of their arse. Why do you believe these third or
fourthhand sources? Why don't you go straight to the man who defined
the word - Hahnemann.
Just google 'Project Gutenberg Hahnemann' and you will get to read a
free copy of his book. You can just use the search function to find
the word, so you don't have to read the whole book.
Yes, I realise 'allopathy' started with Hahnemann, but today is only one
valid definition.
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Allopathy
Conventional medical ....
yeah yeah yeah.
Carole, I did not disagree with you there. No need to repeat it.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does.
Well yes it does.
In cancer the treatment is aimed at killing the cancer.
Well, yes, what does that have to do with anthing? Are you saying that
if you kill the cancer, meaning the patient is cured and can live a
full life instead of dying horribly, he's worse of then before?
Post by carole
With fungi or bacteria the treatment is aimed at killing them.
Yes, so??? Your point?
The definition of allopathy is to direct the treatment AGAINST the microbe,
fungi, parasite, cancer etc.

Why are you fighting this martin?
Is it because you have been sucked in by pharmaceutical medicine and the
penny hasn't dropped yet?
You just can't get your head around it, can you?

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Martin
2010-08-22 09:12:22 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
The dictionary at
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
makes it quite clear that allopathy is a method of treatment used by
conventional medicine.
They are talking out of their arse. Why do you believe these third or
fourthhand sources? Why don't you go straight to the man who defined
the word - Hahnemann.
Just google 'Project Gutenberg Hahnemann' and you will get to read a
free copy of his book. You can just use the search function to find
the word, so you don't have to read the whole book.
Yes, I realise 'allopathy' started with Hahnemann,
And you apparently still refuse to learn anything, anything at all
about what Hahnemann actually wrote. For the umpteenth time, there
goes your 'independent thinking' again. It ain't there.
Post by carole
but today is only one valid definition.
What you are saying is that bullshitters have a way out of any
discussion: "Oh, but I use a totally other definition of words. And
according to that definition, which I pulled out of my arse, I am
right. In fact, I tailored the totally made up definition exactly so
that I would be right."
Sort of like how many christians claim that in Genesis, 'day' does not
mean 24 hours, but millions of years, therefor, science and the Bible
agree on the age of the earth. From what I gather, you are able to see
through that piece of bs, so you should be able to see through the
'allopathy' bs as well.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Allopathy
Conventional medical ....
yeah yeah yeah.
Carole, I did not disagree with you there. No need to repeat it.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does.
Well yes it does.
In cancer the treatment is aimed at killing the cancer.
Well, yes, what does that have to do with anthing? Are you saying that
if you kill the cancer, meaning the patient is cured and can live a
full life instead of dying horribly, he's worse of then before?
Post by carole
With fungi or bacteria the treatment is aimed at killing them.
Yes, so??? Your point?
The definition of allopathy is to direct the treatment AGAINST the microbe,
fungi, parasite, cancer etc.
No no no no no no Carole. It is not. Allopathy is going against the
SYMPTOMS. Like when the patient is hot, you try to cool him etc. When
the patient is wet (sweats), you try to make him dry. And the symptoms
used in allopathy are based on the four humors. These are not used any
more in medicine, so allopathy does not exist anymore.
Modern medicine does not treat symptoms. Symptoms are used as a guide
to make a diagnosis, that's all.
Post by carole
Why are you fighting this martin?
Why don't you read up on what allopathy means. I mean it's conception
by Hahnemann, it's history etc.
I am 'fighting' this because you are totally and utterly wrong. And
not according to pharmaceutical medicine, but according to alternative
medicine. But you are as willfully ignorant about that subject as any.
Post by carole
Is it because you have been sucked in by pharmaceutical medicine and the
penny hasn't dropped yet?
You just can't get your head around it, can you?
No, I can indeed not get my head around the existence of someone like
you. Someone who is absolutely not curious about how the world works,
who categorically refuses to learn anything about anything and is only
happy with stuff that's made up in your own fantasy. We recently
learned that you don't even know how brushing your teeth works, such
is the depth of your ignorance. That in itself is not bad, what is, is
your total and absolute unwillingness to do anything, really anything
at all to do something about it. I can indeed not get my head around
that.
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
David
2010-08-22 12:56:56 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
http://www.sonic.net/mde/masscfids/main/PJLisa.html
The book should have been called "The Conspiracy against Alternative
Medicine"
which fits the situation as it applies today.
In reality, if it wasn't for all donations made by the Rockefeller
foundation to medical schools who would teach pharmaceuticals, and the
corruption and concerted campaign against alternative modalities, allopathic
medicine wold be on the backfoot ...no, not even on the backfoot ...it
wouldn't even be in existence.
You do know that allopathic medicine does not exist anymore, right?
Not since we dropped the 4 humors.
As I've said before martin, there are some words in the dictionary, that
have more than one meaning.
"Allopathic" is one of them.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
al·lop·a·thy
A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects antagonistic
to those caused by the disease itself.
Yes, that is the correct term. But they are leaving something out,
namely that it is based on the four humor theory of disease and
scientifice medicine has dropped that completely. Therefor, it does
not exist anymore.
The dictionary at
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/allopathy
makes it quite clear that allopathy is a method of treatment used by
conventional medicine.
They are talking out of their arse. Why do you believe these third or
fourthhand sources? Why don't you go straight to the man who defined
the word - Hahnemann.
Just google 'Project Gutenberg Hahnemann' and you will get to read a
free copy of his book. You can just use the search function to find
the word, so you don't have to read the whole book.
Yes, I realise 'allopathy' started with Hahnemann,
And you apparently still refuse to learn anything, anything at all
about what Hahnemann actually wrote. For the umpteenth time, there
goes your 'independent thinking' again. It ain't there.
Post by carole
but today is only one valid definition.
What you are saying is that bullshitters have a way out of any
discussion: "Oh, but I use a totally other definition of words. And
according to that definition, which I pulled out of my arse, I am
right. In fact, I tailored the totally made up definition exactly so
that I would be right."
Sort of like how many christians claim that in Genesis, 'day' does not
mean 24 hours, but millions of years, therefor, science and the Bible
agree on the age of the earth. From what I gather, you are able to see
through that piece of bs, so you should be able to see through the
'allopathy' bs as well.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Post by carole
Allopathy
Conventional medical ....
yeah yeah yeah.
Carole, I did not disagree with you there. No need to repeat it.
Post by carole
Post by Martin
Also, scientific medicine does not aim it's treatment at symptoms,
that is what homeopathy does.
Well yes it does.
In cancer the treatment is aimed at killing the cancer.
Well, yes, what does that have to do with anthing? Are you saying that
if you kill the cancer, meaning the patient is cured and can live a
full life instead of dying horribly, he's worse of then before?
Post by carole
With fungi or bacteria the treatment is aimed at killing them.
Yes, so??? Your point?
The definition of allopathy is to direct the treatment AGAINST the microbe,
fungi, parasite, cancer etc.
No no no no no no Carole. It is not. Allopathy is going against the
SYMPTOMS. Like when the patient is hot, you try to cool him etc. When
the patient is wet (sweats), you try to make him dry. And the symptoms
used in allopathy are based on the four humors. These are not used any
more in medicine, so allopathy does not exist anymore.
Modern medicine does not treat symptoms. Symptoms are used as a guide
to make a diagnosis, that's all.
Post by carole
Why are you fighting this martin?
Why don't you read up on what allopathy means. I mean it's conception
by Hahnemann, it's history etc.
I am 'fighting' this because you are totally and utterly wrong. And
not according to pharmaceutical medicine, but according to alternative
medicine. But you are as willfully ignorant about that subject as any.
Post by carole
Is it because you have been sucked in by pharmaceutical medicine and the
penny hasn't dropped yet?
You just can't get your head around it, can you?
No, I can indeed not get my head around the existence of someone like
you. Someone who is absolutely not curious about how the world works,
who categorically refuses to learn anything about anything and is only
happy with stuff that's made up in your own fantasy. We recently
learned that you don't even know how brushing your teeth works, such
is the depth of your ignorance. That in itself is not bad, what is, is
your total and absolute unwillingness to do anything, really anything
at all to do something about it. I can indeed not get my head around
that.
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
I see that Martin is still a fan of mental masturbation.
Steelclaws
2010-08-20 11:54:41 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
[Paranoia snipped]

"Medical Freedom" is the mantra used without fail by those who have a
product or service to huckster when they can't prove it works.

I'm not certain if P. Joseph Lisa is the same as Joe Lisa, a
Scientologist, but should that be the case, then his bias is very very
obvious.
--
Medicine is the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the
reason for its own existence. -James Bryce

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carole
2010-08-20 12:41:23 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
[Paranoia snipped]
"Medical Freedom" is the mantra used without fail by those who have a
product or service to huckster when they can't prove it works.
Why don't you have a look at how the AMA began, or at Morris Fishbein's
history?
Here's some info on your wonderful AMA and the clown who set out to destroy
alternative medicine.

http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html

" The FDA & The Threat of Alternative Medicine
In 1900, while attending the annual AMA convention in St. Paul, Minnesota,
three doctors came up with the always-destructive but all-too-human idea of
using the AMA as a front, in order to form a closed corporation for their
financial benefit. A constitution, bylaws and a charter were created which
appeared to give the members of the AMA a say in the activities of the
corporation, whereas in reality the three directors had complete control.
These three formed smaller political machines in every state, which they
controlled through the main corporation .

In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State.

As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949), he decided which drugs could be sold to the
public based only how much advertising money he could extort from drug
manufacturers, whom he required to place expensive ads in the JAMA. There
were no drug-testing agencies, only Fishbein. It was irrelevant if the drugs
worked. Ultimately Fishbein was convicted of racketeering charges.

Quackery is a word that immediately attracts attention. It implies medical
fraud that may harm us or at least waste our money. All of us need to know
when it is applied justly and when it is a false cry. It has also happened
that some alternatives once labeled as quackery are now mainstream medical
practices. Chiropractic was once targeted by the AMA for containment and
eventual elimination, yet has grown more popular in this era of sports
medicine and is even approved for Medicare payments. Other changes in
acceptance have involved folic acid, vitamin C, other anti-oxidants, and
nutritional supplements.

The AMA first launched a campaign to rid the country of quack remedies at
the turn of the century. At that time there were no controls for fraudulent
labeling and deceptive ads. We need to know, however, that since the early
60's organized groups have worked overtly and covertly to unfairly destroy
beneficial alternative practices. This has been documented by P. Joseph Lisa
in his book, The Assault on Medical Freedom (1994). He describes the
pervasiveness of an ongoing campaign which began in 1963, when the AMA's
Board of Trustees established the Committee on Quackery, headed by Doyle
Taylor . He details the formation and functions of the Coordinating
Conference on Health Information which paralleled the AMA group. The
participants in this group were the AMA, American Cancer Society, American
Pharmaceutical Association, Arthritis Foundation, Council of Better Business
Bureaus, National Health Council, FDA, Federal Trade Commission, US Postal
Service, and Office of Consumer Affairs.

These two groups acted as a task force on quackery. Minutes of meetings over
subsequent years revealed interest in targeting vitamins, homeopathy,
chiropractic, naturopathy, all alternative cancer treatments and other
practices which compete with the drug sales of pharmaceutical companies.

In 1972, the illegal anti-competitive activities of the AMA were exposed to
the public. Eventually the AMA had to pay the US Postal Service $1 million
and owed the IRS $15 million. According to Lisa , in 1984, the
Pharmaceutical Advertising Council and the FDA entered a joint campaign
called the Public Service Anti-Quackery Campaign. They targeted entities in
economic competition with the pharmaceutical and medical industries calling
them "quacks" or "health frauds".
Post by Steelclaws
I'm not certain if P. Joseph Lisa is the same as Joe Lisa, a
Scientologist, but should that be the case, then his bias is very very
obvious.
You obviously don't know much about scientology or how it has been DDT'd and
infiltrated by SPs.
Now all it attracts is weirdos, nutjobs and cranks.

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Peter Bowditch
2010-08-21 06:39:25 UTC
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Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".

I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
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carole
2010-08-21 09:57:57 UTC
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Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.

http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Post by Peter Bowditch
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Peter Bowditch
2010-08-22 09:48:39 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.

Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.

By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
--
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Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
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I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter
carole
2010-08-23 09:58:03 UTC
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Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Peter Bowditch
2010-08-23 11:46:03 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.
Whooooossssshhhh!
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
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carole
2010-08-23 12:11:01 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid
embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.
Whooooossssshhhh!
Why did the AMA work so hard to destroy alternative medicine?

Whoosh the question is over his head. Whoosh!!!


carole
www.conspiracee.com
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
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Martin
2010-08-23 16:00:08 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.
Incredible.

So, I take you think Morris Fishbein is corrupt and greedy.
Why then, if he OWNED the AMA did he settle for the minor position of
editor if he could do anything he bloody well liked, because he was
the owner (and greedy and corrupt)??? Care to explain that?
Post by carole
carole
www.conspiracee.com
carole
2010-08-27 14:23:32 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid
embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.
Incredible.
So, I take you think Morris Fishbein is corrupt and greedy.
Why then, if he OWNED the AMA did he settle for the minor position of
editor if he could do anything he bloody well liked, because he was
the owner (and greedy and corrupt)??? Care to explain that?
Fishbein was probably working hand in glove with the illuminati.
Do you know if he was a member of any secret society such as freemasons or
skull and bones, and if so what level he was?

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Peter B
2010-08-27 15:01:10 UTC
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Post by Martin
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid
embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than
extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Greed.
Incredible.
So, I take you think Morris Fishbein is corrupt and greedy.
Why then, if he OWNED the AMA did he settle for the minor position of
editor if he could do anything he bloody well liked, because he was
the owner (and greedy and corrupt)??? Care to explain that?
Fishbein was probably working hand in glove with the illuminati.
Do you know if he was a member of any secret society such as freemasons or
skull and bones, and if so what level he was?
carole
www.conspiracee.com
He was level Nine of the Fat Women's Feminist Anti-Defamation League.
Peter Bowditch
2010-08-27 22:18:57 UTC
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Post by carole
Fishbein was probably working hand in glove with the illuminati.
I checked the records at IHQ, Fishbein was never a member.
Post by carole
Do you know if he was a member of any secret society such as freemasons or
skull and bones, and if so what level he was?
You do know that Skull and Bones is so secret that the location of the
secret headquarters is shown on official maps of Yale, don't you?
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Mark STANLEY Probert
2010-08-23 22:18:50 UTC
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Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
I love the way that quacks have to rewrite history to support their
delusions.
Maybe its the AMA which has rewritten its history to avoid embarrassment.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
"In 1924, not surprisingly (perhaps inevitably) one of the directors became
involved in a scandal and had to resign. He appointed Dr Morris Fishbein
(the clown) to take his place. Fishbein ultimately took control of the AMA,
and by 1934 owned all of the stock. In his new position he was able to
assume dictatorial control of the state licensing boards and made it as
difficult as he could for any doctor who did not join. He, and the three
doctors who formed the corporation, were little more than extortionists,
ones who made millions by using the power of the State."
Fishbein owned all the shares in the AMA!! Like I said, I love the way
that quacks have to rewrite history to support their delusions.
Now, got anything that actually comes from the AMA rather than some
anti-medicine idiot? I didn't think so.
By the way, in 1924 Morris Fishbein became editor of JAMA, a post he
held for 25 years. Why would he settle for the editor's job when he
owned all the shares and could make himself President, Emperor and
King?
Why would a corrupt person do anything?
Who said he was corrupt? Some idiot who was selling something that
could not work as advertised.
Post by carole
Greed.
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Jan Drew
2010-08-23 10:51:42 UTC
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Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
http://www.naturalnews.com/z008845_American_Medical_Association_the_AMA.html
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I love
What you love is off topic.
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Peter Bowditch
2010-08-23 11:48:58 UTC
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Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
http://www.naturalnews.com/z008845_American_Medical_Association_the_AMA.html
Post by Peter Bowditch
I love
What you love is off topic.
Are you really so uneducated that you don't understand what a sentence
starting with "I love ..." indicates?

Oh, and Morris Fishbein was never head of the AMA, no matter what Mike
Adams says. In any case, why do you trust someone who was banned from
a contest for cheating like Adams was?
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Mark STANLEY Probert
2010-08-23 13:59:57 UTC
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Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
http://www.naturalnews.com/z008845_American_Medical_Association_the_A...
Post by Peter Bowditch
I love
What you love is off topic.
Are you really so uneducated that you don't understand what a sentence
starting with "I love ..." indicates?
Oh, and Morris Fishbein was never head of the AMA, no matter what Mike
Adams says. In any case, why do you trust someone who was banned from
a contest for cheating like Adams was?
Birds of a feather...
Mark STANLEY Probert
2010-08-23 13:59:16 UTC
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Post by carole
As head of the AMA (and editor of the Journal of the American Medical
Association from 1924-1949),
That would be Morris Fishbein, who was never "head of the AMA".
http://www.unnaturalnews.com/z008845_American_Medical_Association_the_A...
Lies from a proven liar, cheat and ghoul. That is what Jan loves about
him.

Birds of a feather...
Steelclaws
2010-08-21 13:25:02 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
[Paranoia snipped]
"Medical Freedom" is the mantra used without fail by those who have a
product or service to huckster when they can't prove it works.
Why don't you have a look at how the AMA began, or at Morris
Fishbein's history?
Here's some info on your wonderful AMA and the clown who set out to
destroy alternative medicine.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
Already responded to in another post.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
I'm not certain if P. Joseph Lisa is the same as Joe Lisa, a
Scientologist, but should that be the case, then his bias is very
very obvious.
You obviously don't know much about scientology or how it has been
DDT'd and infiltrated by SPs.
Now all it attracts is weirdos, nutjobs and cranks.
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me being
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.

Have you ever read the OT levels? I have. Do you know what a "body
thetan is"? What can you tell me about Purif? Where is Xenu today? Any
clue what NOTS are?

$cientology was flawed starting with Dianetics - yes, I have read
through that turgid tome, though it took a lot of effort - and only got
more insane with all the claims about clams, boohoos and Piltdown Man
(L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man - I've read that too). Then it went
completely gaga with the Xenu space opera and thetans - all under Elron
himself.
--
Medicine is the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the
reason for its own existence. -James Bryce

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carole
2010-08-21 14:59:18 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
The Assault on Medical Freedom
[Paranoia snipped]
"Medical Freedom" is the mantra used without fail by those who have a
product or service to huckster when they can't prove it works.
Why don't you have a look at how the AMA began, or at Morris
Fishbein's history?
Here's some info on your wonderful AMA and the clown who set out to
destroy alternative medicine.
http://www.newwayclinic.com/rife.html
Already responded to in another post.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
I'm not certain if P. Joseph Lisa is the same as Joe Lisa, a
Scientologist, but should that be the case, then his bias is very
very obvious.
You obviously don't know much about scientology or how it has been
DDT'd and infiltrated by SPs.
Now all it attracts is weirdos, nutjobs and cranks.
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me being
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.
What is SP4 or clam cluster?
Suppressive person?
Post by Steelclaws
Have you ever read the OT levels? I have. Do you know what a "body
thetan is"? What can you tell me about Purif? Where is Xenu today? Any
clue what NOTS are?
OT operating thetan.
Purif rundown is the sweating and vitamin purification program.
Don't know about Senu.
Don't know what NOTS are.
Post by Steelclaws
$cientology was flawed starting with Dianetics - yes, I have read
through that turgid tome, though it took a lot of effort - and only got
more insane with all the claims about clams, boohoos and Piltdown Man
(L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man - I've read that too). Then it went
completely gaga with the Xenu space opera and thetans - all under Elron
himself.
I have read some stuff on scientology.
Haven't read the history of man.

LRH was a science fiction writer before he came up with scientology.

Today scientology attracts a lot of loons and kooks and you could never get
any sense form it.
It is full of misfits and there are a lot of misfits who are
anti-scientology as well.
Actually, you can't even discuss the topic in ng's without attracting
dimwits.

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Post by Steelclaws
--
Medicine is the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the
reason for its own existence. -James Bryce
Steelclaws
2010-08-22 07:39:36 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me
being - in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam
Cluster.
What is SP4 or clam cluster?
Suppressive person?
Yeah, it means suppressive person. SP levels are a joke that started in
alt.religion.scientology as a parody of Scientology's OT levels. SP4
means the person has received a legal threat from a Scientology lawyer
and Clam cluster indicates more than one such threat has been received.
Scientology lawyers used to send an e-mail to anyone who posted what
they claimed was copyrighted material. I posted a few court affidavits -
which are NOT copyrighted material - but they did not like the contents
and sent me a coupla legal threats.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
Have you ever read the OT levels? I have. Do you know what a "body
thetan is"? What can you tell me about Purif? Where is Xenu today?
Any clue what NOTS are?
OT operating thetan.
Purif rundown is the sweating and vitamin purification program.
Don't know about Senu.
Xenu is the evil galactic overlord according to OT III text. He solved
the galactic overpopulation 75 million years ago by carting a load of
aliens to earth and blowing them all up with hydrogen bombs near
volcanoes. This created the body thetans. He's still alive under the
Pyrenees, according to Scientology.
Post by carole
Don't know what NOTS are.
NOTS are New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans. They're basically
instructions to OTs on how to get rid of body thetans (those being dead
alien ghosts infesting your body and causing all kinds of problems).

More info at: http://www.xenu.net/

Needless to say, I find this crap extremely ridiculous.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
$cientology was flawed starting with Dianetics - yes, I have read
through that turgid tome, though it took a lot of effort - and only
got more insane with all the claims about clams, boohoos and Piltdown
Man (L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man - I've read that too). Then it
went completely gaga with the Xenu space opera and thetans - all
under Elron himself.
I have read some stuff on scientology.
Haven't read the history of man.
LRH was a science fiction writer before he came up with scientology.
I know. It sure shows.
Post by carole
Today scientology attracts a lot of loons and kooks and you could
never get any sense form it.
You never could, once you knew what their central doctrines are.
Post by carole
It is full of misfits and there are a lot of misfits who are
anti-scientology as well.
I've read the OT levels and loads of other Scientology texts while they
still were available on the net (well, they still are, but you have to
know where to look), so I'm pretty familiar with their doctrines.
--
Medicine is the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the
reason for its own existence. -James Bryce

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David
2010-08-22 12:54:21 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me
being - in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam
Cluster.
What is SP4 or clam cluster?
Suppressive person?
Yeah, it means suppressive person. SP levels are a joke that started in
alt.religion.scientology as a parody of Scientology's OT levels. SP4
means the person has received a legal threat from a Scientology lawyer
and Clam cluster indicates more than one such threat has been received.
Scientology lawyers used to send an e-mail to anyone who posted what
they claimed was copyrighted material. I posted a few court affidavits -
which are NOT copyrighted material - but they did not like the contents
and sent me a coupla legal threats.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
Have you ever read the OT levels? I have. Do you know what a "body
thetan is"? What can you tell me about Purif? Where is Xenu today?
Any clue what NOTS are?
OT operating thetan.
Purif rundown is the sweating and vitamin purification program.
Don't know about Senu.
Xenu is the evil galactic overlord according to OT III text. He solved
the galactic overpopulation 75 million years ago by carting a load of
aliens to earth and blowing them all up with hydrogen bombs near
volcanoes. This created the body thetans. He's still alive under the
Pyrenees, according to Scientology.
Post by carole
Don't know what NOTS are.
NOTS are New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans. They're basically
instructions to OTs on how to get rid of body thetans (those being dead
alien ghosts infesting your body and causing all kinds of problems).
More info at: http://www.xenu.net/
Needless to say, I find this crap extremely ridiculous.
Post by carole
Post by Steelclaws
$cientology was flawed starting with Dianetics - yes, I have read
through that turgid tome, though it took a lot of effort - and only
got more insane with all the claims about clams, boohoos and Piltdown
Man (L. Ron Hubbard, A History of Man - I've read that too). Then it
went completely gaga with the Xenu space opera and thetans - all
under Elron himself.
I have read some stuff on scientology.
Haven't read the history of man.
LRH was a science fiction writer before he came up with scientology.
I know. It sure shows.
Post by carole
Today scientology attracts a lot of loons and kooks and you could
never get any sense form it.
You never could, once you knew what their central doctrines are.
Post by carole
It is full of misfits and there are a lot of misfits who are
anti-scientology as well.
I've read the OT levels and loads of other Scientology texts while they
still were available on the net (well, they still are, but you have to
know where to look), so I'm pretty familiar with their doctrines.
Scientology? Bwahahaha!
Peter Bowditch
2010-08-22 09:55:01 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me being
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.
I thought I was only SP3 until I found the President, Australia, New
Zealand and Oceania, of the Church of Scientology on my doorstep,
visiting me to express the displeasure the Church had at my comments
about CCHR and the fact that I had given CCHR an Anus Maximus Award.

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/cchr.htm
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter
carole
2010-08-22 10:51:22 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me being
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.
I thought I was only SP3 until I found the President, Australia, New
Zealand and Oceania, of the Church of Scientology on my doorstep,
visiting me to express the displeasure the Church had at my comments
about CCHR and the fact that I had given CCHR an Anus Maximus Award.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/cchr.htm
That was a bit naughty of you.

Scientology today is way off the planet.
Nothing about it makes sense anymore.

carole
www.conspiracee.com
Steelclaws
2010-08-22 10:57:57 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me being
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.
I thought I was only SP3 until I found the President, Australia, New
Zealand and Oceania, of the Church of Scientology on my doorstep,
visiting me to express the displeasure the Church had at my comments
about CCHR and the fact that I had given CCHR an Anus Maximus Award.
Yeah, I'd agree that is SP4, even though they did not threaten to sue
you.

No SP5, at least not yet, as it looks like they did not start dead
agenting you or sued you.
--
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reason for its own existence. -James Bryce

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Peter Bowditch
2010-08-22 14:10:48 UTC
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Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by Steelclaws
ROFL. I know more about $cientology than you could ever think, me
being
Post by Peter Bowditch
Post by Steelclaws
- in another incarnation on the usenet - a SP4 with a Clam Cluster.
I thought I was only SP3 until I found the President, Australia, New
Zealand and Oceania, of the Church of Scientology on my doorstep,
visiting me to express the displeasure the Church had at my comments
about CCHR and the fact that I had given CCHR an Anus Maximus Award.
Yeah, I'd agree that is SP4, even though they did not threaten to sue
you.
No SP5, at least not yet, as it looks like they did not start dead
agenting you or sued you.
Within one minute of the conversation starting I was told that
dead-agenting was no longer used. As I hadn't brought it up I assumed
that this was a reminder, just as the unannounced visit was a reminder
of the fact that they knew where I lived, and the fact that they
turned up at about 1:30pm was a reminder that they knew I worked from
home.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter
Steelclaws
2010-08-22 19:30:11 UTC
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Post by Steelclaws
Post by Peter Bowditch
I thought I was only SP3 until I found the President, Australia, New
Zealand and Oceania, of the Church of Scientology on my doorstep,
visiting me to express the displeasure the Church had at my comments
about CCHR and the fact that I had given CCHR an Anus Maximus Award.
Yeah, I'd agree that is SP4, even though they did not threaten to sue
you.
No SP5, at least not yet, as it looks like they did not start dead
agenting you or sued you.
Within one minute of the conversation starting I was told that
dead-agenting was no longer used. As I hadn't brought it up I assumed
that this was a reminder, just as the unannounced visit was a reminder
of the fact that they knew where I lived, and the fact that they
turned up at about 1:30pm was a reminder that they knew I worked from
home.
Sounds a lot like the old Cosa Nostra tactics. But well, as long as they
only imply intimidation...
--
Medicine is the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the
reason for its own existence. -James Bryce

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Peter B
2010-08-20 20:47:11 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
First off the AMA represents few Dr.'s. The are a tool of the American Left.

Secondly, I was at another doctors office today, my wife had surgery on her
hand yesterday. He suggested a few herbs that are known to reduce swelling.
Tamarind, or something like that. He preferred the herbs over IBU's, etc.
for health reasons over a lifetime. This is a newer doc and one I knew
little about so he is not part of any earlier examples I gave you before.

Your problem is that you bring up questions based on preconceived notions
that you really do not want an answer to. You may as well stop pretending to
be inquiring and go back to pasting in all the crap you used to, and attempt
to brainwash the ignorant. Yes, You will still be flacked whenever its
ignorant or untrue but it will save a lot of time on your part. (always
learning but never coming to an understanding of the truth)

The only assault on medical freedom currently in America is the new health
bill they passed.
carole
2010-08-21 23:07:57 UTC
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Post by carole
There is no bias against alternative remedies.
Pig's arse there's not.
There is a massive campaign to discredit alternative medicine, all
starting off with the AMA.
* * *
Where Has Barrett's-and Quackbusters'-Funding Come From?
http://gaia-health.com/articles251/000277-quackbusters-are-busted.shtml

Barrett has launched at least 14 expensive legal actions at a single time,
cases that can be assumed to cost at least $100,000 each to pursue. In the
Federal Court in Oregon, he was forced to respond to questions about his
income.

In two years' time, Barrett had made a total of $54,000.

Where did Barrett get the money to pursue so many cases? Thus far, no one
seems to have found the hard proof, but it's obvious that the backing for
his nefarious machinations has been Big Pharma and Big Medicine, which seek
to drive any and all competition out of business and make them illegal.


carole
www.conspiracee.com
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