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Bob Officer is an ESTJ
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Duncan
2017-02-24 23:09:48 UTC
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ

This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".

He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html

The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)


"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]

ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]

The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.

When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]

ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]

The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "

[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]

Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Anon
2017-02-24 23:16:02 UTC
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Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
This is like how the NWO uses NGOs to infiltrate and push agendas.
Its a bit similar - one is using a person to influence and subvert,
the other is using a NGO.

There's some good info about NGOs at
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_nwo227.htm

NGOs - Choice tools of subversion by the NWO

" Fake Human Rights and the NGO Complex
NGOs are running amok...
We don't just have NGOs; we have an actual NGO complex which is
controlled by the New World Order and is part of their psychological
operations and perception management department.

It ensures that American democracy and humanitarian interventions
(both doublespeak oxymorons) are coated with sugar to go down well.
Often, they hide behind the excuse of furthering human rights as a way
to justify their subversive operations.

Patrick Henningsen wrote an excellent article in April 2016 entitled
AN INTRODUCTION - Smart Power and The Human Rights Industrial Complex
which spells out the way these NGOs operate:

"Shaping western public perception and opinion on major
international issues is essential if major world powers are to realize
their foreign policy goals.



Not surprisingly, we can see that many of the public positions
taken by NGOs are exactly aligned with western foreign policy. In the
Balkans War of the 1990s, human rights groups supported partitioning.



In the Ukraine in 2014 and with both Syria and Yemen in 2016 they
supported regime change. In each instance NGOs function as a public
relations extension to a United Nations western member Security
Council bloc, namely the US, UK and France.



This collusion is manifest throughout the upper echelons of these
organizations whose streamlined agenda conforms through a lucrative
revolving door which exists between a cartel of western NGOs,
government and media."

The role of NGOs and human rights organizations has been pivotal in
Syria, to provide cover for the US to carry out its clear intention of
regime change:

"By framing the Syrian Conflict (2011 to present) as a "civil
war", both western media and human rights organizations did their part
in propping-up an important western foreign policy narrative.



Inaccurate and distorted, this narrative has helped shield the
US-led clandestine proxy war… [but the reality is] a US-backed
guerrilla war where Washington and Ankara, along with NATO and Gulf
Cooperation Council (GCC) allies, flooding Turkey and Syria with
weapons, cash, equipment, social media teams, military trainers and
foreign fighters from as a far away as Pakistan."

Source

NGOs are responsible for all those feel-good petitions that totally
misinform Westerners about some poor country that is about to get
invaded, whip up misdirected outrage and persuade people to get in
line with the exact military goals the US has already planned.

Have you noticed how may NGOs call for "No Fly Zones", "Buffer
Zones" or "Safe Zones"?



Remember the phony Stop Kony 2012 campaign?



Remember how George Soros' Avaaz called for a No Fly Zone in
Libya, to help US-NATO assassinate Gaddafi and control Libya?

A lot of people are getting played like a fiddle…"



--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
Gumdrop
2017-02-25 02:08:19 UTC
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<snip the bullshit>

Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.

Can it get any worse?
Bob Officer
2017-02-25 07:14:21 UTC
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Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
Well, she is using a falsified personality test.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Gumdrop
2017-02-25 09:05:33 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
Well, she is using a falsified personality test.
That does make her befuddlement worse.
Bob Officer
2017-02-25 14:04:48 UTC
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Post by Gumdrop
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
Well, she is using a falsified personality test.
That does make her befuddlement worse.
Yes it does.

Not only is the test itself falsified and basically useless, but the
instructions for it do state plainly that one person can not take the test
for another person.

While Carole makes unfounded claims about what type of personality others
might have, her own personality of being nothing more than a schoolyard
bully, is on full display.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-12 23:24:12 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
Well, she is using a falsified personality test.
Bet she altered it too.
K Wills (Shill #3)
2017-02-25 09:39:08 UTC
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Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
--
Shill #3.
Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor.
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All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/
Bob Officer
2017-02-25 14:04:48 UTC
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Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
For obvious reasons
2017-02-26 08:11:34 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.

Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.


--
For obvious reasons

Why modern healthcare is in such a shambles
http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/the-ph-miracle-for-cancer.html

1953 Fitzgerald Report - Suppressed Cancer Treatments
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/03/1953_fitzgerald_report_suppressed_cancer_treatments.htm

A conspiracy to destroy natural medicine and profit from sickness and
disease
The history of medical suppression in America can be traced back to
the Rockefeller Foundation and the rise of the American Medical
Association, led by a sociopathic, arrogant huckster named Dr.
Fishbein. Working in conspiracy to destroy natural medicine and
chiropractic medicine, these criminal institutions gave rise to
allopathic medicine which is currently responsible for the mass
killing of at least one million people per year.
http://www.naturalnews.com/052981_medical_monopoly_government_censorship_marijuana.html


Can My Doctor Get Into Big Legal Trouble by Offering Natural Health
Treatments?
http://www.anh-usa.org/readers-corner-can-doctor-get-into-trouble-offering-natural-treatments/

How Pharmaceuticals Came To Be The 4th Leading Cause Of Death In
America
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/11/20/how-pharmaceuticals-came-to-be-the-4th-leading-cause-of-death-in-america/

What is the Leading Cause of Death in U.S. ?
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/what-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-u-s/

"The Science of Getting It Wrong: How to Deal with False Research
Findings
Ioannidis says that researchers have become increasingly sophisticated
at acquiring large amounts of data from genomics and other studies,
and at spinning it in different ways—much like TV weathercasters
proclaiming every day a record-setting meteorological event of some
sort. As a result, he says, it is easy to come up with findings that
are "significant" in the statistical sense, yet not scientifically
valid."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-getting-it/
&
2017-02-26 12:01:50 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
How's your buddy Trump?
Busy draining the swamp for ya?
Gumdrop
2017-02-26 12:11:06 UTC
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Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob?
Not nearly as many as you've had, Carole.
Post by For obvious reasons
I don't see you commenting on that.
All the years you've been exchanging views with Bob, and you didn't
notice that he doesn't waste time on non-issues?
Post by For obvious reasons
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
How's your buddy Trump doing?
Draining the swamp quickly enough for ya?

Don't get fanciful about re-locating.
He won't let your type into the USA.
Bob Officer
2017-03-08 05:17:25 UTC
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Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob?
Not nearly as many as you've had, Carole.
The answer is zero if Carole is concerned.

I have only posted with one name since 1985.
I felt no need to hide.
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
I don't see you commenting on that.
All the years you've been exchanging views with Bob, and you didn't
notice that he doesn't waste time on non-issues?
I try to keep on the issue and not go off chasing every shiny thing.
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Leftard?

Did someone vaccinate Carole with " some special type of stupid"?
Post by Gumdrop
How's your buddy Trump doing?
Draining the swamp quickly enough for ya?
He is taking the swamps bottom feeder and putting them in charge.
Post by Gumdrop
Don't get fanciful about re-locating.
He won't let your type into the USA.
Carole is ignorant and stupid, under Devon, she would have never attended
any school. She would have died as a child with a burst appendix under the
medical care rules Trump's HHS rules, because there would be no hospitals
or doctors.

She is a special type of stupid, isn't she?
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
&
2017-03-08 06:35:58 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:17:25 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob?
Not nearly as many as you've had, Carole.
The answer is zero if Carole is concerned.
I have only posted with one name since 1985.
I felt no need to hide.
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
I don't see you commenting on that.
All the years you've been exchanging views with Bob, and you didn't
notice that he doesn't waste time on non-issues?
I try to keep on the issue and not go off chasing every shiny thing.
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Leftard?
Did someone vaccinate Carole with " some special type of stupid"?
Post by Gumdrop
How's your buddy Trump doing?
Draining the swamp quickly enough for ya?
He is taking the swamps bottom feeder and putting them in charge.
Post by Gumdrop
Don't get fanciful about re-locating.
He won't let your type into the USA.
Carole is ignorant and stupid, under Devon, she would have never attended
any school. She would have died as a child with a burst appendix under the
medical care rules Trump's HHS rules, because there would be no hospitals
or doctors.
She is a special type of stupid, isn't she?
Poor biddy needed a clue yesterday.
Lu
2017-02-27 01:43:01 UTC
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Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Difference between you and everybody else is that while pseudonyms are
used by several people it is usually only one at a time. How many are
you using at the same time in the same thread, now, 2, 3, 5? Another
major difference and the real give away to the state of your mental
health is that you use several at a time to carry on a conversation or
respond to another of your own nyms in a thread.
Post by For obvious reasons
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Lu
K Wills (Shill #3)
2017-02-27 10:32:59 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
--
Shill #3.
Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5747904676_1e202191d3_b.jpg
All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/
For obvious reasons
2017-02-27 10:57:57 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:32:59 -0600, "K Wills (Shill #3)"
Post by &
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
What a load of garbage.
I've been on usenet now for over 20 years and there have always been
heaps and heaps of socks, who regularly change their identities and
who talk to themselves or between each other. So don't shit me.


--
For obvious reasons

Why modern healthcare is in such a shambles
http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/the-ph-miracle-for-cancer.html

1953 Fitzgerald Report - Suppressed Cancer Treatments
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/03/1953_fitzgerald_report_suppressed_cancer_treatments.htm

A conspiracy to destroy natural medicine and profit from sickness and
disease
The history of medical suppression in America can be traced back to
the Rockefeller Foundation and the rise of the American Medical
Association, led by a sociopathic, arrogant huckster named Dr.
Fishbein. Working in conspiracy to destroy natural medicine and
chiropractic medicine, these criminal institutions gave rise to
allopathic medicine which is currently responsible for the mass
killing of at least one million people per year.
http://www.naturalnews.com/052981_medical_monopoly_government_censorship_marijuana.html


Can My Doctor Get Into Big Legal Trouble by Offering Natural Health
Treatments?
http://www.anh-usa.org/readers-corner-can-doctor-get-into-trouble-offering-natural-treatments/

How Pharmaceuticals Came To Be The 4th Leading Cause Of Death In
America
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/11/20/how-pharmaceuticals-came-to-be-the-4th-leading-cause-of-death-in-america/

What is the Leading Cause of Death in U.S. ?
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/what-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-u-s/

"The Science of Getting It Wrong: How to Deal with False Research
Findings
Ioannidis says that researchers have become increasingly sophisticated
at acquiring large amounts of data from genomics and other studies,
and at spinning it in different ways—much like TV weathercasters
proclaiming every day a record-setting meteorological event of some
sort. As a result, he says, it is easy to come up with findings that
are "significant" in the statistical sense, yet not scientifically
valid."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-getting-it/
Gumdrop
2017-02-27 11:43:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by For obvious reasons
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:32:59 -0600, "K Wills (Shill #3)"
Post by &
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
What a load of garbage.
I've been on usenet now for over 20 years and there have always been
heaps and heaps of socks, who regularly change their identities and
who talk to themselves or between each other. So don't shit me.
It's all in your head, Carole.

In my years on usenet, you're the only one I've seen whose socks talk to
each other.

You don't fool anyone, except yourself.
Bob Officer
2017-02-27 22:02:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gumdrop
Post by For obvious reasons
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:32:59 -0600, "K Wills (Shill #3)"
Post by &
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
What a load of garbage.
I've been on usenet now for over 20 years and there have always been
heaps and heaps of socks, who regularly change their identities and
who talk to themselves or between each other. So don't shit me.
It's all in your head, Carole.
In my years on usenet, you're the only one I've seen whose socks talk to
each other.
You don't fool anyone, except yourself.
I have seen it a few times.

The 1st time was "sherilyn" in an admin group showing how easily it could
be done. It was in the mid 80's and Windows based news clients were just
starting to be widely used. Google didn't exist and Deja Vu had just
started trying to archive Usenet. Back everyone knew each other and clowns
like Carole were few and far between. Access to internet and Usenet was not
all that common and was usually all professional, governmental or academia.
The use of clients installed on mainframes and shell accounts was the
majority of all access to Usenet and the internet.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
K Wills (Shill #3)
2017-02-28 09:54:55 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:57:57 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:32:59 -0600, "K Wills (Shill #3)"
Post by &
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
What a load of garbage.
At least you warn readers about what they will soon read from
you.
Post by For obvious reasons
I've been on usenet now for over 20 years and there have always been
heaps and heaps of socks, who regularly change their identities and
who talk to themselves or between each other. So don't shit me.
Maybe so, maybe no.
I await the valid, verifiable evidence you'll present that your
claim applies in any way to the people you comment about above. If
your claim is a lie, you won't offer the requested evidence because it
will not exist.
--
Shill #3.
Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5747904676_1e202191d3_b.jpg
All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/
Bob Officer
2017-03-01 01:01:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by For obvious reasons
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 04:32:59 -0600, "K Wills (Shill #3)"
Post by &
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:11:34 +1100, For obvious reasons
Post by For obvious reasons
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation. The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
And how many pseudonyms have some of the allopathic mob had over the
years bob? I don't see you commenting on that.
Maybe that's because you're a pharmaceutical pawn and a leftard.
Or, maybe, these other supposed socks didn't have long
conversations with themselves.
Or, maybe they weren't sock, but different people. Many people can
see you for the k00k you are, Carole. It's not an exclusive club.
What a load of garbage.
I've been on usenet now for over 20 years and there have always been
heaps and heaps of socks, who regularly change their identities and
who talk to themselves or between each other. So don't shit me.
What a ignorant person you are Carole.

Youn act more like a child everyday, including the school yard bully
persona you bluster with more and more.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
K Wills (Shill #3)
2017-02-27 10:32:28 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by K Wills (Shill #3)
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
You do realize Carole will take that as a challenge, right?
She will have to really work hard. At one time she had a dozen socks
carrying on a conversation.
What a sad use of free time. But, based on what I've read of her
rants, it does not come as a surprise.
Post by Bob Officer
The funny thing is she was using a newsreader
which posted the IP address in the clear. The news reader she now uses
does, but uses the time stamp, IP address, and MAC address to generate a
message ID. While the IP address is not in the clear, it is still can be
decoded.
Yep. I did such to expose a guy's sock puppet in another group.
--
Shill #3.
Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5747904676_1e202191d3_b.jpg
All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/
Duncan
2017-02-25 11:29:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
It already has -- Aribert Deckers using her 35th sock puppet.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
Post by Gumdrop
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Gumdrop
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Lu
2017-03-12 23:22:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
I am waiting for the day when her whole thread is all and only
Carole’s socks.
Bob Officer
2017-03-13 01:04:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Gumdrop
<snip the bullshit>
Carole's sock Anon replying to Carole's sock Duncan.
Can it get any worse?
I am waiting for the day when her whole thread is all and only
Carole’s socks.
As she makes larger and larger breaks with reality that day is around the
corner.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2017-02-27 11:04:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ

Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."


See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.

So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.

Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
Post by Duncan
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Duncan
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Gumdrop
2017-02-27 11:39:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
Carole is an idiot.
Bob Officer
2017-02-27 21:43:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.

In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.

A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.

A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.

The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them interchangeably.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2017-03-08 01:47:42 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are probably a
whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But once again
denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream science only
acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified, indexted and
catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream science has been
dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the dark about new
inventions that defy concepts taught in mainstream. A load of rubbish
just like mainstream media, designed to keep people ignorant. Works to
an extent but misleads in the end.
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.

Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either worked
out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief system.
They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.

Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them interchangeably.
--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Bob Officer
2017-03-08 05:32:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.

The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web site, it
doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own personality type.

There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the University of
California where Balke challenged the use of the Myers-Briggs as a
screening tool for admission to medical school. After the famous study out
of University of Michigan was published the federal courts have outlawed
use of Myers Briggs for any purpose dealing with hiring, promotions, or
admission to schools.

The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was based
upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at birth and is
unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be false.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are probably a
whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But once again
denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream science only
acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified, indexted and
catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream science has been
dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the dark about new
inventions that defy concepts taught in mainstream. A load of rubbish
just like mainstream media, designed to keep people ignorant. Works to
an extent but misleads in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM which
falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there would be
no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different connotations. That's
why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either worked
out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief system.
They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are the person
that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop pretending to be
smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them interchangeably.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Mo Onions
2017-03-09 11:50:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web site, it
doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the University of
California where Balke challenged the use of the Myers-Briggs as a
screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2

https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n

https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are probably a
whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But once again
denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream science only
acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified, indexted and
catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream science has been
dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the dark about new
inventions that defy concepts taught in mainstream. A load of rubbish
just like mainstream media, designed to keep people ignorant. Works to
an extent but misleads in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM which
falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there would be
no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different connotations. That's
why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either worked
out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief system.
They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are the person
that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop pretending to be
smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them interchangeably.
Mo Onions
2017-03-09 12:00:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web site, it
doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the
University of
California where Balke challenged the use of the Myers-Briggs as a
screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke
http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2
https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n
https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
correction:

https://tinyurl.com/jql5ez8

or

http://mttlr.org/2008/03/19/the-ada-and-personality-testing-–-the-7th-and-8th-circuit-split-on-the-permissibility-of-the-mmpi-in-pre-offer-of-employment-screening/
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a
personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed
personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are probably a
whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But once again
denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream science only
acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified, indexted and
catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream science has been
dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the dark about new
inventions that defy concepts taught in mainstream. A load of rubbish
just like mainstream media, designed to keep people ignorant. Works to
an extent but misleads in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM which
falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there would be
no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different connotations. That's
why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either worked
out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief system.
They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are the person
that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop pretending to be
smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them
interchangeably.
Mo Onions
2017-03-09 12:04:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web
site, it doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own
personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the
University of California where Balke challenged the use of the
Myers-Briggs as a screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke
http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2
https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n
https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/146/612/513947/

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1486883.html
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed
personality types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He
spent his entire life chasing the false premise of stars and
planets defining a personality at the time of birth. His own
personality concept of fixed personalities which sort people
into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two
lunar nodal points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove
astrology with his famous couples study. Initial analysis show
a weak correlation, the final analysis the shows there was no
astrological relationship over the length of time a couple will
remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are
probably a whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But
once again denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream
science only acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified,
indexted and catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream
science has been dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the
dark about new inventions that defy concepts taught in
mainstream. A load of rubbish just like mainstream media,
designed to keep people ignorant. Works to an extent but misleads
in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM
which falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to
astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the
human personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner
...a defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending
its rules and procedures for the sake of smooth running of
society. When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you
don't go on defending it ...you question it and agitate for
change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser. He doesn't even understand the
difference or sameness of words "opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there
would be no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different
connotations. That's why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either
worked out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief
system. They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are
the person that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop
pretending to be smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words
are do not have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use
them interchangeably.
Mo Onions
2017-03-09 12:14:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web
site, it doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own
personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the
University of California where Balke challenged the use of the
Myers-Briggs as a screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke
http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2
https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n
https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/146/612/513947/
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1486883.html
Correction:
The above two cited cases involved the MMPI, not the MBTI.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed
personality types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He
spent his entire life chasing the false premise of stars and
planets defining a personality at the time of birth. His own
personality concept of fixed personalities which sort people
into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two
lunar nodal points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove
astrology with his famous couples study. Initial analysis show
a weak correlation, the final analysis the shows there was no
astrological relationship over the length of time a couple will
remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are
probably a whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But
once again denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream
science only acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified,
indexted and catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream
science has been dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the
dark about new inventions that defy concepts taught in
mainstream. A load of rubbish just like mainstream media,
designed to keep people ignorant. Works to an extent but misleads
in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM
which falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to
astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the
human personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner
...a defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending
its rules and procedures for the sake of smooth running of
society. When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you
don't go on defending it ...you question it and agitate for
change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser. He doesn't even understand the
difference or sameness of words "opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there
would be no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different
connotations. That's why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either
worked out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief
system. They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are
the person that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop
pretending to be smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words
are do not have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use
them interchangeably.
Mo Onions
2017-03-09 12:25:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest
obeying orders from the system. He's not a thinker, or
one who looks for cause and effect, or wants to know
the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the
establishment, which he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly
scanning their personal environment to make sure that
everything is running smoothly and systematically.
**They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear set
of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of
others, and have no patience or understanding of
individuals who do not value these systems. [So if the
system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe
the system is correct and anybody who questions it is
wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear
vision of the way that things should be, that they
naturally step into leadership roles. They are
self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely
talented at devising systems and plans for action, and
at being able to see what steps need to be taken to
complete a specific task. They can sometimes be very
demanding and critical, because they have such
strongly held beliefs, and are likely to express
themselves without reserve if they feel someone isn't
meeting their standards. But at least their expressions
can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is
extremely straight-forward and honest. [But also can be
very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the
community. He or she takes their commitments seriously,
and follows their own standards of "good citizenship"
to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting with people, and
likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and fun
at social events, especially activities which are
focused on the family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels
isolated from others. They feel as if they are
misunderstood and undervalued, and that their efforts
are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is
very verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing
themself, when under stress they have a hard time
putting their feelings into words and communicating
them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from
lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else,
and feel obligated to do all that they can to enhance
and promote these goals. They will mow the lawn, vote,
join the PTA, attend home owners association meetings,
and generally do anything that they can to promote
personal and social security. [So good but yet so
misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost
everything that they do. They will do everything that
they think should be done in their job, marriage, and
community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable.
While the ESTJ will dutifully do everything that is
important to work towards a particular cause or goal,
they might not naturally see or value the importance of
goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of
such goals to practical concerns, you can bet that
they'll put every effort into understanding them and
incorporating them into their quest for clarity and
security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're
leading others astray. In their zeal to get everybody
on board to do the right thing they don't always see
that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an
ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals
who dedicate themselves to maintaining the institutions
behind a smooth-running society. ***They are defenders of
the status quo and strong believers in rules and
procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely
falsified because it is entered based on the concept of a
fixed personality at birth, citing any thing other than
someone with new evidence to support the initial premise,
it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering
Keirsey has stated, it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The
entire premise of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been
completely falsified. It,was posted here and you took part in
the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base
on a narrow view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole,
not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web
site, it doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own
personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the
University of California where Balke challenged the use of the
Myers-Briggs as a screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke
http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2
https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n
https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/146/612/513947/
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1486883.html
The above two cited cases involved the MMPI, not the MBTI.
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personality-test-meaningless

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/00346543063004467

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.3102/00346543063004467
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed
personality types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He
spent his entire life chasing the false premise of stars and
planets defining a personality at the time of birth. His own
personality concept of fixed personalities which sort people
into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two
lunar nodal points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove
astrology with his famous couples study. Initial analysis show
a weak correlation, the final analysis the shows there was no
astrological relationship over the length of time a couple will
remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are
probably a whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But
once again denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream
science only acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified,
indexted and catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream
science has been dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the
dark about new inventions that defy concepts taught in
mainstream. A load of rubbish just like mainstream media,
designed to keep people ignorant. Works to an extent but misleads
in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM
which falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to
astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the
human personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner
...a defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending
its rules and procedures for the sake of smooth running of
society. When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you
don't go on defending it ...you question it and agitate for
change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser. He doesn't even understand the
difference or sameness of words "opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there
would be no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different
connotations. That's why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either
worked out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief
system. They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are
the person that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop
pretending to be smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words
are do not have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use
them interchangeably.
Bob Officer
2017-03-09 22:02:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Post by Duncan
I can go to wikipedia, look up ESTJ and it fits you to a "T".
It doesn't mean anyth no Carole. You believe it fits me, base on a narrow
view controlled by your bias. Your bias, Carole, not mine.
The
At means what you are doing is called a classic case of psychological
projection. You are taking your own problems, psychosis, and mental
disorders and projecting those faults of your own onto other people.
Post by Duncan
You can deny all you want, but "denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
While it might suit you to deny, there are a lot of vocational
psychologists who use the myer briggs system to find suitability for
careers.
No in California or the US. Myers-Briggs even admits on their,web site, it
doesn't matter what the test results are pick your own personality type.
There was a famous case in the 1980s IIRC it was Balke vs the University of
California where Balke challenged the use of the Myers-Briggs as a
screening tool for admission to medical school.
http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/bakke-v-regents-university-california-30362
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/438/265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke
http://landmarkcases.org/en/Page/616/The_Court_Revisits_Bakke_25_Years_Later_The_Michigan_Affirmative_Action_Cases
Post by Bob Officer
After the famous study out of University of Michigan was published
the federal courts have outlawed use of Myers Briggs for any purpose
dealing with hiring, promotions, or admission to schools.
The UoM study actually falsified the premise which Myers-Briggs was
based upon. That false assumption that "personality" is fixed at
birth and is unchangeable was shown beyond a shadow of doubt to be
false.
https://tinyurl.com/gsatvr2
https://tinyurl.com/gljov9n
https://tinyurl.com/zgk8v3f
Keep those links handy, in as little as a few days Carole will again
attempt to revisit this personal issue of hers, and project her own
personality on others. ( that is exactly what is called psychological
projection )
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
A side point Jung who came up with the entire concept of fixed personality
types was nothing but a failed astrologer. He spent his entire life
chasing the false premise of stars and planets defining a personality at
the time of birth. His own personality concept of fixed personalities which
sort people into one of sixteen bins. Astrology sorted people into a more
complex matrix made up of 12 signs + 12 lunar houses + two lunar nodal
points + 12 rising signs.
A second side point Jung actually did more to disprove astrology with his
famous couples study. Initial analysis show a weak correlation, the final
analysis the shows there was no astrological relationship over the length
of time a couple will remain in a relationship.
Depends on the skill of the astrologer partly and there are probably a
whole heap of other factors that go into the mix. But once again
denial doesn't make it so. Just because mainstream science only
acknowledges that which can be measures, quantified, indexted and
catalogued, doesn't mean anything since mainstream science has been
dumbed down for the masses to keep them in the dark about new
inventions that defy concepts taught in mainstream. A load of rubbish
just like mainstream media, designed to keep people ignorant. Works to
an extent but misleads in the end.
Astrology is bullshit Carole. Again the same study out of UoM which
falsified the concept of fixed personalities also applies to astrology.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
The fixation on research expecting to be able to predict the human
personality does appearing to be waste of time.
Post by Duncan
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
"Opinion" and "belief" are virtually the same thing.
Virtually? No they are not virtually the same things. If so there would be
no need for two words, would there?
Post by Duncan
I realise they are used in a different context, but they are
effectively the same.
The are not effectively the same. Both carry different connotations. That's
why there are two words not one word.
Post by Duncan
Your belief system is your opinion, the opinion you have either worked
out for yourself or has been imposed on you by others.
Your opinion is yours only and is forms part of your belief system.
They are interchangeable for all practical purposes.
You been told by a great number of people you are wrong. You are the person
that barely passed your English exit examination. Stop pretending to be
smart, because your are not, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Dumbarse.
Post by Bob Officer
You been told in multiple groups you are wrong. The two words are do not
have the same meaning. Only the ignorant blindly use them interchangeably.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Enquiring minds want to know
2017-03-09 23:42:25 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.

Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth

The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.

This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.

Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.



--
Enquiring minds want to know

http://www.thebigcancerlie.com/
""As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a
serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes


Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/

33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."
Bob Officer
2017-03-12 18:48:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.

One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.

Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012

Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?

Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite

Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?

Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.

Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite

Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.

It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.

To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.

It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.

Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-13 14:26:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
Bob Officer
2017-03-14 05:51:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.

I am listen to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-15 01:03:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and
effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment,
which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a
clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and
have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the
way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership
roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented
at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can
sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys
interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that
their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they
do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for
clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped
by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at
birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has
stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
Post by Bob Officer
I am listen to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Bob Officer
2017-03-15 23:00:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
The group usually see the name calling as a form of distract from the shift
in direction of the thread. It has been abuse so often is seems everyone is
used to it.

I once thought is was a lack of attention span sort of an form of adult
attention deficit disorder, but now see it for a means of distraction when
she would otherwise admit being just plain wrong.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
I am too, he has a 10 month old baby with them and wouldn't want to see my
ggniece snowed in.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I am listen to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Looks like being prepared worked. Areas are still digging out there, some
places got harder than others. Global warming has put lots of water vapor
into the air that why the snowfall is so heavy. Even here we are having
rain storms which are carrying 20-30 percent more water than normal. Some
spots in the mountains have about 250 percent of the normal snow pack and
the water content seems to be more. We have have several small levee
breeches already and they were quickly patched. One area had to evacuate
nearly 750,000 people because of a earth filled dam was questionable
condition. There was some damage to the normal spillway which was never
used before and they had an emergency spillway which had a partial failure.
Touch and go for a while. But all it well now and the normal spillway was
patched up and ok to use. The condition is being watched, and people were
back in their homes after a week.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-16 01:32:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders
from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and
effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment,
which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running
smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a
clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and
have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with
it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the
way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership
roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented
at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see
what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can
sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly
held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if
they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is
extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community.
He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys
interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous
and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on
the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from
others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that
their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these
goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so
misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they
do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their
job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for
clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right
thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped
by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior
agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who
dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong
believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at
birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has
stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire
premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
The group usually see the name calling as a form of distract from the shift
in direction of the thread. It has been abuse so often is seems everyone is
used to it.
Carole's constant abuse has actually become meaningless in all ways except
what it says about her.
Post by Bob Officer
I once thought is was a lack of attention span sort of an form of adult
attention deficit disorder, but now see it for a means of distraction when
she would otherwise admit being just plain wrong.
I have always thought that it is an insecure person, a person who does not
have much respect for or confidence in her/himself, who is/was always running
others down and the purpose would be to make him or herself feel superior to
the person he/she is denigrating.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effe
ct
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
I am too, he has a 10 month old baby with them and wouldn't want to see my
ggniece snowed in.
For this area that storm was no where near as bad as forecast. It stopped
snowing around noon yesterday but a little while later it started sleeting, a
very fine sleet. Looked like mist. Anyway we got 2 inches of that and of
course the temp was in the 20’s so those top 2 inches froze solid. I could
have walked across the yard without breaking through. No, I didn’t. Too old
for that fun.I am all shoveled out, have plenty of food and heat is running
fine. We did not loose electricity and the roads are all plowed and passable.

This morning I measured the snow on my deck. 14 inches.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I am listen to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Looks like being prepared worked. Areas are still digging out there, some
places got harder than others. Global warming has put lots of water vapor
into the air that why the snowfall is so heavy. Even here we are having
rain storms which are carrying 20-30 percent more water than normal. Some
spots in the mountains have about 250 percent of the normal snow pack and
the water content seems to be more. We have have several small levee
breeches already and they were quickly patched. One area had to evacuate
nearly 750,000 people because of a earth filled dam was questionable
condition. There was some damage to the normal spillway which was never
used before and they had an emergency spillway which had a partial failure.
Touch and go for a while. But all it well now and the normal spillway was
patched up and ok to use. The condition is being watched, and people were
back in their homes after a week.
California needed that water but not all at once. The whole country was
watching that dam and praying for the people.
Bob Officer
2017-03-16 12:45:49 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and
effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment,
which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a
clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and
have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the
way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership
roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented
at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can
sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys
interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that
their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they
do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for
clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped
by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at
birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has
stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
The group usually see the name calling as a form of distract from the shift
in direction of the thread. It has been abuse so often is seems everyone is
used to it.
Carole's constant abuse has actually become meaningless in all ways except
what it says about her.
Post by Bob Officer
I once thought is was a lack of attention span sort of an form of adult
attention deficit disorder, but now see it for a means of distraction when
she would otherwise admit being just plain wrong.
I have always thought that it is an insecure person, a person who does not
have much respect for or confidence in her/himself, who is/was always running
others down and the purpose would be to make him or herself feel superior to
the person he/she is denigrating.
She just did it,again by trying to bring up politics and George Saros as a
diversion.

I see Kaye caught her again relaying on bad news sites for information. She
cited the liar Bolen's web site where he claims that AARP supports Trump
Ryan medical bill. Well they do not support either Trump nor Ryan, whose
raid on the billion dollar Medicare trust fund would return pennies on the
dollar of senior citizen money, in exchange for a small voucher to buy
insurance if you can find it.

For most seniors, insurance without Medicare is an impossibility.

Why Ryan who admits he doesn't understand the insurance business can write
a bill about insurance is beyond me. It would be like Carole explaining
about stroke damage.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they gave me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effe
ct
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
I am too, he has a 10 month old baby with them and wouldn't want to see my
ggniece snowed in.
For this area that storm was no where near as bad as forecast. It stopped
snowing around noon yesterday but a little while later it started sleeting, a
very fine sleet. Looked like mist. Anyway we got 2 inches of that and of
course the temp was in the 20’s so those top 2 inches froze solid. I could
have walked across the yard without breaking through. No, I didn’t. Too old
for that fun.I am all shoveled out, have plenty of food and heat is running
fine. We did not loose electricity and the roads are all plowed and passable.
This morning I measured the snow on my deck. 14 inches.
Some places it was more, much more.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I am listening to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Looks like being prepared worked. Areas are still digging out there, some
places got harder than others. Global warming has put lots of water vapor
into the air that why the snowfall is so heavy. Even here we are having
rain storms which are carrying 20-30 percent more water than normal. Some
spots in the mountains have about 250 percent of the normal snow pack and
the water content seems to be more. We have have several small levee
breeches already and they were quickly patched. One area had to evacuate
nearly 750,000 people because of a earth filled dam was questionable
condition. There was some damage to the normal spillway which was never
used before and they had an emergency spillway which had a partial failure.
Touch and go for a while. But all it well now and the normal spillway was
patched up and ok to use. The condition is being watched, and people were
back in their homes after a week.
California needed that water but not all at once. The whole country was
watching that dam and praying for the people.
The Sutter County Sheriff ordered the evacuation early. He didn't want to
see a wall of water sweeping down on unprepared people. I still have some
of the maps and flood timing which were given to DSW workers in case the
dam did fail.

We had stuff fully planned for the worst case scenario. We even had
assignments given out so we each had our initial placements when and if we
were activated.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-18 20:20:32 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders
from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and
effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment,
which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning
their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running
smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a
clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and
have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value
these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with
it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system
is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of
the
way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership
roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely
talented
at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see
what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can
sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly
held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if
they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is
extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community.
He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys
interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous
and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on
the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from
others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that
their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when
under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words
and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar
all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these
goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so
misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that
they
do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their
job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she
is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the
ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value
the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals
to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort
into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for
clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right
thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views
shaped
by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior
agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who
dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong
believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely
falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality
at
birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support
the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has
stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire
premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
The group usually see the name calling as a form of distract from the shift
in direction of the thread. It has been abuse so often is seems everyone is
used to it.
Carole's constant abuse has actually become meaningless in all ways except
what it says about her.
Post by Bob Officer
I once thought is was a lack of attention span sort of an form of adult
attention deficit disorder, but now see it for a means of distraction when
she would otherwise admit being just plain wrong.
I have always thought that it is an insecure person, a person who does not
have much respect for or confidence in her/himself, who is/was always running
others down and the purpose would be to make him or herself feel superior to
the person he/she is denigrating.
She just did it,again by trying to bring up politics and George Saros as a
diversion.
I see Kaye caught her again relaying on bad news sites for information. She
cited the liar Bolen's web site where he claims that AARP supports Trump
Ryan medical bill. Well they do not support either Trump nor Ryan, whose
raid on the billion dollar Medicare trust fund would return pennies on the
dollar of senior citizen money, in exchange for a small voucher to buy
insurance if you can find it.
For most seniors, insurance without Medicare is an impossibility.
There are medigap policies but the premiums are going out of sight.
Post by Bob Officer
Why Ryan who admits he doesn't understand the insurance business can write
a bill about insurance is beyond me. It would be like Carole explaining
about stroke damage.
I just wish they would all work together and create a plan that actually
worked without breaking anybodies bank.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is
not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background
random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between
the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo
effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular
press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read
that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just
getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of
pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out
of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant"
means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the
1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece
does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials
with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to
-0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial
effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted
outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study.
The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the
initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in
a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were
wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they
gave
me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a
sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day
every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I
am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-ef
fe
ct
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
I am too, he has a 10 month old baby with them and wouldn't want to see my
ggniece snowed in.
For this area that storm was no where near as bad as forecast. It stopped
snowing around noon yesterday but a little while later it started sleeting, a
very fine sleet. Looked like mist. Anyway we got 2 inches of that and of
course the temp was in the 20’s so those top 2 inches froze solid. I could
have walked across the yard without breaking through. No, I didn’t. Too old
for that fun.I am all shoveled out, have plenty of food and heat is running
fine. We did not loose electricity and the roads are all plowed and passable.
This morning I measured the snow on my deck. 14 inches.
Some places it was more, much more.
Yes, I know. FB is a good place sometimes, if you have friended people all
over the country.

More than half of that snow we received the other day has melted. It is
snowing here right now but so far melting or turning to slush becausethe
temperature is a bit above freezing out there. (water in fountain not frozen)
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I am listening to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Looks like being prepared worked. Areas are still digging out there, some
places got harder than others. Global warming has put lots of water vapor
into the air that why the snowfall is so heavy. Even here we are having
rain storms which are carrying 20-30 percent more water than normal. Some
spots in the mountains have about 250 percent of the normal snow pack and
the water content seems to be more. We have have several small levee
breeches already and they were quickly patched. One area had to evacuate
nearly 750,000 people because of a earth filled dam was questionable
condition. There was some damage to the normal spillway which was never
used before and they had an emergency spillway which had a partial failure.
Touch and go for a while. But all it well now and the normal spillway was
patched up and ok to use. The condition is being watched, and people were
back in their homes after a week.
California needed that water but not all at once. The whole country was
watching that dam and praying for the people.
The Sutter County Sheriff ordered the evacuation early. He didn't want to
see a wall of water sweeping down on unprepared people. I still have some
of the maps and flood timing which were given to DSW workers in case the
dam did fail.
We had stuff fully planned for the worst case scenario. We even had
assignments given out so we each had our initial placements when and if we
were activated.
Did you see that short video they were showing yesterday on FB. The one where
the woman was caught in a flood of mud that also contained all kinds of
debries from destroyed buildings. A miracle she made it out alive.
Bob Officer
2017-03-19 01:29:11 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders
from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and
effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment,
which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning
their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running
smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a
clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and
have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value
these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with
it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system
is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of
the
way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership
roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely
talented
at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see
what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can
sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly
held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if
they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is
extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community.
He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys
interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous
and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on
the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from
others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that
their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when
under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words
and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar
all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these
goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so
misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that
they
do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their
job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she
is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the
ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value
the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals
to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort
into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for
clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right
thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views
shaped
by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior
agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who
dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong
believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at
birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has
stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Did you notice how she switched from defending Myers Briggs to something
else when she was reminded of Myers- Briggs being debunked.
Not until you pointed it out but then it is quite normal for her to do that
when she is loosing. Usually it is name calling though.
The group usually see the name calling as a form of distract from the shift
in direction of the thread. It has been abuse so often is seems everyone is
used to it.
Carole's constant abuse has actually become meaningless in all ways except
what it says about her.
Post by Bob Officer
I once thought is was a lack of attention span sort of an form of adult
attention deficit disorder, but now see it for a means of distraction when
she would otherwise admit being just plain wrong.
I have always thought that it is an insecure person, a person who does not
have much respect for or confidence in her/himself, who is/was always running
others down and the purpose would be to make him or herself feel superior to
the person he/she is denigrating.
She just did it,again by trying to bring up politics and George Saros as a
diversion.
I see Kaye caught her again relaying on bad news sites for information. She
cited the liar Bolen's web site where he claims that AARP supports Trump
Ryan medical bill. Well they do not support either Trump nor Ryan, whose
raid on the billion dollar Medicare trust fund would return pennies on the
dollar of senior citizen money, in exchange for a small voucher to buy
insurance if you can find it.
For most seniors, insurance without Medicare is an impossibility.
There are medigap policies but the premiums are going out of sight.
Post by Bob Officer
Why Ryan who admits he doesn't understand the insurance business can write
a bill about insurance is beyond me. It would be like Carole explaining
about stroke damage.
I just wish they would all work together and create a plan that actually
worked without breaking anybodies bank.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
My opinion is that the placebo effect is a play on mind over matter, a
measure of what we believe vs reality. If I think that the pill they
gave
me
will work, more than likely it will whether it is the real thing or a sugar
pill. This alleged debunked placebo effect is at work with us all day every
day and does not just pertain to medicine. I would like to know where I am
wrong on this?????
And that effect shows up by use of statistics. It works about 20-30% of
the time.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-ef
fe
ct
-s
aying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
Well, I have to go prepare for a snow storm. (G)
I read about that. My great nephew just flew out of there just in time. He
was visiting his dad over in NJ.
We did get a bit of snow. I was snowed in earlier. I couldn’t open the
front or back door. One of my neighbors shoveled the front walk up to the
door for me. It is really a weird feeling being trapped in your house. Glad
you nephew got out of here in time.
I am too, he has a 10 month old baby with them and wouldn't want to see my
ggniece snowed in.
For this area that storm was no where near as bad as forecast. It stopped
snowing around noon yesterday but a little while later it started sleeting, a
very fine sleet. Looked like mist. Anyway we got 2 inches of that and of
course the temp was in the 20’s so those top 2 inches froze solid. I could
have walked across the yard without breaking through. No, I didn’t. Too old
for that fun.I am all shoveled out, have plenty of food and heat is running
fine. We did not loose electricity and the roads are all plowed and passable.
This morning I measured the snow on my deck. 14 inches.
Some places it was more, much more.
Yes, I know. FB is a good place sometimes, if you have friended people all
over the country.
More than half of that snow we received the other day has melted. It is
snowing here right now but so far melting or turning to slush becausethe
temperature is a bit above freezing out there. (water in fountain not frozen)
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I am listening to the emergency net right now. Everyone is as ready as they
could be.
Looks like being prepared worked. Areas are still digging out there, some
places got harder than others. Global warming has put lots of water vapor
into the air that why the snowfall is so heavy. Even here we are having
rain storms which are carrying 20-30 percent more water than normal. Some
spots in the mountains have about 250 percent of the normal snow pack and
the water content seems to be more. We have have several small levee
breeches already and they were quickly patched. One area had to evacuate
nearly 750,000 people because of a earth filled dam was questionable
condition. There was some damage to the normal spillway which was never
used before and they had an emergency spillway which had a partial failure.
Touch and go for a while. But all it well now and the normal spillway was
patched up and ok to use. The condition is being watched, and people were
back in their homes after a week.
California needed that water but not all at once. The whole country was
watching that dam and praying for the people.
The Sutter County Sheriff ordered the evacuation early. He didn't want to
see a wall of water sweeping down on unprepared people. I still have some
of the maps and flood timing which were given to DSW workers in case the
dam did fail.
We had stuff fully planned for the worst case scenario. We even had
assignments given out so we each had our initial placements when and if we
were activated.
Did you see that short video they were showing yesterday on FB. The one where
the woman was caught in a flood of mud that also contained all kinds of
debries from destroyed buildings. A miracle she made it out alive.
I didn't see that video but have seen my share of images from floods,
mudslide and other sorts of flood damage. One of the reason I became a
Disaster Service Worker was because of Katrina other natural disasters.
Today was spent like next Saturday teaching other people EmComm procedures
and processes. These will be the people that step up,to help,in those types
of disasters by providing Emergency Communications where the cell phone
coverage doesn't or fails.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Enquiring minds want to know
2017-03-20 00:25:53 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
So what you're saying bob, is that people are easily lead, that if an
authority suggests that something may be helpful then they convince
themselves that it has worked.
And so you have the globalist controlled mass media, and bought and
paid for (by philanthropists, eg Rockefeller) education system telling
those easily lead, that pharmaceutical drugs are wonderful and in fact
they have disastrous side effects that may maim and kill instead of
heal. Yet the FDA and TGA in Australia say they are "safe and
efficacious". This is pure spin and lies. They're neither.
Post by Bob Officer
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
No, I don't understand "statistically significant".
I only understand that the system is corrupt and something needs to be
done about it.
Don't hear you ever mention that topic. So, on the basis of "if you're
not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" you're part of
the problem - ie being an ESTJ who supports the system whether good or
bad and rationalises the decision to do that.
Post by Bob Officer
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Sure bob, baffle with bullshit.
What commonsense tells us is that the pharmaceutical cartel will only
support drugs that they can make money from or that make people more
dependent on mainstream medicine. And they deny there is any curative
effect in anything but pharmaceuticals. They send their goons to take
care of anybody who cures outside the regular system.

Regarding the mainstream scientific testing using placebos and double
blind testing, these studies cost millions to undertake which rules
out most dealers of alternative remedies. A nice little scam.
Post by Bob Officer
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
The placebo effect has been debunked bob.
Get that through your mind controlled brain.

There will always be mainstream studies that support the mainstream
position, because every study produces a different result. They have
difficulty getting studies to repeat results. What they do is just
pick a study that has been engineered to produce the results they want
and go with it.
Post by Bob Officer
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
Bob, until I hear you admit the system is corrupt, your views
unfortunately are biased and as an ESTJ aren't entirely rational.

The original study that proved the placebo effect was real was flawed.
And that is what began the use of the placebo effect in science.

Like all mainstream areas of human endeavour, all has been twisted and
manipulated in order to control and engineer a compliant, docile and
subservient population who rely on "experts" and "reliable sources".
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
OK bob, then pick a myer briggs type that you think is you.
And you won't do it by denying myer briggs is valid.

Truth hurts, hey bob.
I've seen you on this ng for a long time now, and all you do is stick
up for the current corrupt system and bag any altie that comes along
with an alternative view.

You are an establishment pawn, typical ESTJ quality.

Why do you think there are so few people on newsgroups these days?
It is because the globalists like to control what is said, and so with
facebook and other such forums, they can eliminate and censor posts
that don't fit in with their agenda. They hope to stay in power by
keeping information out of mainstream that challenges it.


--
Enquiring minds want to know

The pharmaceutical industry is based on myths and lies
http://www.pharmamyths.net/

Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://www.pharmamyths.net/files/JLME_ARTICLE_2013.pdf

Big Pharma Pockets $711 Billion in Profits by Price-Gouging Taxpayers
and Seniors
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/2013/04/08/pharma-711-billion-profits-price-gouging-seniors/

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than
Basic Research: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/pharmaceutical-companies-marketing_n_1760380.html
Bob Officer
2017-03-21 15:42:25 UTC
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rOn Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 05:32:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
There is no such thing as a Myers Briggs type, Carole.
Post by Duncan
Post by Duncan
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
Since the entire Myers Briggs personify test is completely falsified
because it is entered based on the concept of a fixed personality at birth,
citing any thing other than someone with new evidence to support the
initial premise, it a waste of time.
In other words it doesn't matter what sort of nattering Keirsey has stated,
it is entirely worthless trash.
Bullshit bob.
No, Carole it isn't bullshit. It is the the real deal. The entire premise
of the Myers-Briggs personality typing has been completely falsified.
It,was posted here and you took part in the discussion.
Bullshit bob.
Did you know that the placebo effect has been debunked?
Actually, no it has not. The error filled article you cite is shoddy,
misleading and in so many places just absolutely wrong. One needs to
examine why the article never passed any peer review process and it is
completely ignored.
One thing about the article doesn't touch upon is the placebo effect is not
as stated, but an observed statistic value. There is a background random
noise level which runs between 12-18%. The level of outcomes between the
random noise level and about 25 percent is considered the placebo effect.
Not 33-39 percent as stated by the newspaper article as stated and the
effect is always stated as with in the standard deviation. Popular press
pieces are known as not great sources of information. One could read that
article and get a take away that there is no effect of people just getting
well without treatment and that is not what the study says. The popular
press piece also doesn't address the issue of how articles selected for
inclusion were made. The study under question used a technique of pooling
data. They ( the researcher) used only 117 studies out of the nearly
million study's available and those studies only used 45,000 cases out of
the millions of people available.
So what you're saying bob, is that people are easily lead, that if an
authority suggests that something may be helpful then they convince
themselves that it has worked.
And so you have the globalist controlled mass media, and bought and
paid for (by philanthropists, eg Rockefeller) education system telling
those easily lead, that pharmaceutical drugs are wonderful and in fact
they have disastrous side effects that may maim and kill instead of
heal. Yet the FDA and TGA in Australia say they are "safe and
efficacious". This is pure spin and lies. They're neither.
Post by Bob Officer
Do you fully understand what the term "statistically significant" means?
Just because Hrobjartsson And Gotzsche didn't find data to support the 1/3
claim, it seems they did find the rate was inside the predictable 12-18
percent with in the rate of standard deviation for the observed placebo
effect in statistical studies.
No, I don't understand "statistically significant".
Then why are you even commenting past this point?
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
I only understand that the system is corrupt and something needs to be
done about it.
Don't hear you ever mention that topic. So, on the basis of "if you're
not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" you're part of
the problem - ie being an ESTJ who supports the system whether good or
bad and rationalises the decision to do that.
Post by Bob Officer
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11372012
Read the abstract and it doesn't match up,exactly with the press piece does
it?
Cite
In 27 trials involving the treatment of pain, placebo had a beneficial
effect (-0.27; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.40 to -0.15).
/cite
Sure bob, baffle with bullshit.
Data, Carole, is not bullshit, data from the study you referred to can not
be bullshit, unless your references are bullshit.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
What commonsense
You don't have common sense Carole,
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
tells us is that the pharmaceutical cartel will only
support drugs that they can make money from or that make people more
dependent on mainstream medicine. And they deny there is any curative
effect in anything but pharmaceuticals. They send their goons to take
care of anybody who cures outside the regular system.
Regarding the mainstream scientific testing using placebos and double
blind testing, these studies cost millions to undertake which rules
out most dealers of alternative remedies. A nice little scam.
That excuse is lame, Carole. Alternative medicines bring in billions of
dollars for pennies of investments. It is nearly unregulated, and deemed
safe because it does nothing.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Oh lol that shows placebo is an observable effect, doesn't it?
The placebo effect has been debunked bob.
Get that through your mind controlled brain.
This study, the one you sited, shows it is real.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
There will always be mainstream studies that support the mainstream
position, because every study produces a different result. They have
difficulty getting studies to repeat results. What they do is just
pick a study that has been engineered to produce the results they want
and go with it.
Post by Bob Officer
Cite
The pooled standardized mean difference was significant for the trials with
subjective outcomes (-0.36; 95 percent confidence interval, -0.47 to -0.25)
but not for those with objective outcomes.
/cite
more evidence that the placebo effect is real.
Cite
For the trials with continuous outcomes, placebo had a beneficial effect
(pooled standardized mean difference in the value for an unwanted outcome
between the placebo and untreated groups, -0.28; 95 percent confidence
interval, -0.38 to -0.19),
/cite
Oh look more evidence which supports the placebo effect.
It was only one specific narrow range of cases which support their
conclusion, one has to question the inclusion criteria for the study. The
abstract does state the researchers started with 130 studies and did
exclude 16 studies because of outcomes. That's excluding 1/6 of the initial
studies data.
To put it in real life terms, that would be like polling 100 people in a
study about shirts and ignoring 16 people just because they were wearing
buttoned shirts rather than pull overs.
Bob, until I hear you admit the system is corrupt, your views
unfortunately are biased and as an ESTJ aren't entirely rational.
The original study that proved the placebo effect was real was flawed.
And that is what began the use of the placebo effect in science.
Like all mainstream areas of human endeavour, all has been twisted and
manipulated in order to control and engineer a compliant, docile and
subservient population who rely on "experts" and "reliable sources".
The study you referred to shows the placebo effect was real.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Doesn't stop big pharma from relying on it with all their dodgy
scientific testing.
It isn't the only tool used, it is just part of any significant study,
Carole.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
OK bob, then pick a myer briggs type that you think is you.
And you won't do it by denying myer briggs is valid.
Truth hurts, hey bob.
I've seen you on this ng for a long time now, and all you do is stick
up for the current corrupt system and bag any altie that comes along
with an alternative view.
You are an establishment pawn, typical ESTJ quality.
Why do you think there are so few people on newsgroups these days?
There are 1000s of different on- line groups. Podcasts, and Facebook,
twitter, and many 1000s of private email group lists.

I know of over sixty international forums for amateur radio today, there
are 1000s of blog just about ham radio.30 years ago there was three US, one
British, and one Canadian, one Japanese, one German (quarterly) and a
handful of others

When Usenet was founded there were two way of having a public forum. Usenet
or BBS and mail lists.
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It is because the globalists like to control what is said, and so with
facebook and other such forums, they can eliminate and censor posts
that don't fit in with their agenda. They hope to stay in power by
keeping information out of mainstream that challenges it.
No, Carole today there is such a diversity of forums it nearly
uncontrollable.
But then Kruger Dunning effect applies here.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2017-03-20 01:07:01 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:


Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Mo Onions
2017-03-20 08:46:14 UTC
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
<snip the usual nonsense>

Hey Carole, did you finish your homework on strokes yet?

Where's the summary of what you learned?
Mo Onions
2017-03-22 12:19:19 UTC
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On 3/19/2017 9:07 PM, Duncan wrote:

<snip>

Carole is an idiot.
Bob Officer
2017-03-28 00:18:58 UTC
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.

I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.

Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2017-03-29 02:50:58 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.

Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".

The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Mo Onions
2017-03-29 04:20:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
So what are the alt med remedies for stroke?
Lu
2017-03-30 02:15:03 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
Post by Duncan
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
So what are the alt med remedies for stroke?
She has never answered any challenges to her claims.
Bob Officer
2017-03-30 17:55:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Duncan
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
So what are the alt med remedies for stroke?
She has never answered any challenges to her claims.
She can't because there is alt remedies for a stoke.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-30 02:13:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effec
t-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Too bad you don’t know what goes on in a doctors office.
Bob Officer
2017-03-30 17:55:20 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effec
t-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Too bad you don’t know what goes on in a doctors office.
Nor is she aware of how governments actual work or what they do. All she
cares about is her monthly check.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Bob Officer
2017-04-16 20:27:52 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?

Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be 💰 my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. You expert were questioned,
not mine.
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
kaye
2017-04-17 06:04:59 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be 💰 my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Actually he has put a ladder into the swamp that leads the swamp monsters
into cabinet seats of the Whitehouse. Every single one of them have zero
knowledge or understanding of the department they are "running" and huge
conflicts of interest.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. You expert were questioned,
not mine.
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
U
Duncan
2017-04-21 01:22:47 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. You expert were questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
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[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.

. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.

That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.

http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/

"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "

Here is a real experts opinion

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die

<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."

"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"

"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"

</cite>

Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality

More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.

What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.

Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.

The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.

If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.

Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/

"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.

But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
admitted that Jones entire persona is a "character." NBC News reports:

The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."

That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."

"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."

So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.

And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?

Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.

Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.

And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Mo Onions
2017-04-21 18:46:13 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Carole is a dupe.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
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Post by Duncan
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
In the land down under, there is a stupid woman named Carole.
She is an embarrassment to all.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Carole needs to get some sun.
She looks pale and sickly.
Too many baking soda cocktails.
She should audition for a role as Popeye's girlfriend, Olive Oyl.
Maybe she'll get lucky, get a new career, and leave her nonsense behind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oyl

https://tinyurl.com/ky4g9ve
Lu
2017-04-22 12:14:33 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
Bob Officer
2017-04-23 00:47:05 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.

If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.

However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.

Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.

This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.

She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.

So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.

And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.

What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-04-25 03:03:40 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
Post by Bob Officer
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
Post by Bob Officer
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
Post by Bob Officer
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
kaye
2017-04-25 05:14:40 UTC
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Post by Duncan
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
Post by Bob Officer
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
Post by Bob Officer
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
Post by Bob Officer
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
Let us know how you like the Instant Pot. I've heard good things about it.
Kaye
Lu
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Post by Duncan
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placeb
o-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information
on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big
banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admit
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the
study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
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This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
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She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
Post by Bob Officer
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
Let us know how you like the Instant Pot. I've heard good things about it.
Kaye
Lot of info, videos on how to use it, FB groups where we can read
questions/answers and explain problems and recipes on the internet but
everybody seems to love it. I did the water test, slow cooked cabbage soup
and made one pasta and meat ball dish so far. I like the cabbage soup cooked
on the stove better. The pasta was a very simple dish with only a few
ingredients, pasta, a jar of sauce and a bag of frozen meatballs all thrown
into the pot, added a jar of water, covered and cooked. Getting the pot
working is the intimidating part and I messed that up a bit but eventually
got it working right. I was surprised that dry pasta came out perfect when
cooked pressure cooker mode in enough liquids. Pasta has not been on my diet
for years so froze meal sized portions but it sure was pleasing to enjoy a
bit of it for a change. My impression so far is that there is a bit of a
learning curve on this new toy. :)

Today I am going to make a pot of pea soup but in a slow cooker, not the new
pot. My next venture in the Instant Pot will beMinestrone Soup when the pea
soup is gone.
Bob Officer
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
For nearly 30 years is was use in the admission process in many schools and
for granting scholarship. To the sham of those institutions, the law suits
are now being settled and sealed.
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This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
Maybe I just need to ignore her for a while.
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She isn't an Altie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Started a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
You understand the principle of use it or loose it. The drive to learn new
things, sometimes even those skills deemed useless by many, seems to be
part of my base makeup.

The drive to make art is not to make money but to satisfy the artist. If he
can make real money doing it, that is so much better. I recent watched a
PBS special (1st TV I watched in years) on Georgia O'Keeffe, and artist
which produced some very remarkable art, not for sale or to make money, but
to feed her inner need.
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What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
That is like a cross between a pressure cooker and crockpot isn't it? I
have seen some talk about them on the RV Groups and forums.
Post by Lu
everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
I am going to retirees reunion. The number of people which are being
employee in that field shrink every year, because of more and more
automation. Where a switching station might have had three or four
technicians per shift and at least one control operator, with computerized
control and remote controlled operations, only one technician per switch
site. Some companies use on call techs which can make a longer power
outage.

I am glad I have the ability to live off grid.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information
on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big
banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admit
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the
study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
For nearly 30 years is was use in the admission process in many schools and
for granting scholarship. To the sham of those institutions, the law suits
are now being settled and sealed.
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This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
Maybe I just need to ignore her for a while.
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She isn't an Altie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Started a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
You understand the principle of use it or loose it. The drive to learn new
things, sometimes even those skills deemed useless by many, seems to be
part of my base makeup.
I know about that drive to learn new things. I always thought of that as a
challenge that I had to overcome and I usually did/do. Learning calligraphy
was one of those challenges. Soldering that power switch into my desktop
computer is going to be my next one unless I replace the fan in an old HP
laptop first. :D
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The drive to make art is not to make money but to satisfy the artist. If he
can make real money doing it, that is so much better. I recent watched a
PBS special (1st TV I watched in years) on Georgia O'Keeffe, and artist
which produced some very remarkable art, not for sale or to make money, but
to feed her inner need.
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What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
That is like a cross between a pressure cooker and crockpot isn't it? I
have seen some talk about them on the RV Groups and forums.
Actually this new one has 7 functions. Pressure cooking and slow cooking are
two of them. Also has separate buttons/programs for Soup, Meat/Stew,
Bean/Chili, Poultry, Saute, Rice, Multigrain, Porridge, Steam, Yogurt. Can
also be used in manual mode with me setting times, pressure etc. I can brown
the meat, onions, etc before making the stew. There is a learning curve. When
I read the comments on this pot a lot of people are intimidated by it but not
too many failures when people finally try it out.
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everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
I am going to retirees reunion. The number of people which are being
employee in that field shrink every year, because of more and more
automation. Where a switching station might have had three or four
technicians per shift and at least one control operator, with computerized
control and remote controlled operations, only one technician per switch
site. Some companies use on call techs which can make a longer power
outage.
I am glad I have the ability to live off grid.
Bob Officer
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placeb
o-
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fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admit
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
I took that test two times and had a different typing each time, making that
test worthless. I learned to skew the results of that type of test when I was
a kid.
For nearly 30 years is was use in the admission process in many schools and
for granting scholarship. To the sham of those institutions, the law suits
are now being settled and sealed.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
Just boring.
Maybe I just need to ignore her for a while.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
She isn't an Altie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Started a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
Calligraphy is fun. I gave it up when I developed carpel tunnel in my wrist.
I bought the font and started using my computer for that type of printing.
Now you can get so many fonts free.
You understand the principle of use it or loose it. The drive to learn new
things, sometimes even those skills deemed useless by many, seems to be
part of my base makeup.
I know about that drive to learn new things. I always thought of that as a
challenge that I had to overcome and I usually did/do. Learning calligraphy
was one of those challenges. Soldering that power switch into my desktop
computer is going to be my next one unless I replace the fan in an old HP
laptop first. :D
I like that a fellow traveler. Those electrical repairs for me seem to be
no brainers.
This weekend I am teaching a class in basic soldering for new hams radio
operators.
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Post by Bob Officer
The drive to make art is not to make money but to satisfy the artist. If he
can make real money doing it, that is so much better. I recent watched a
PBS special (1st TV I watched in years) on Georgia O'Keeffe, and artist
which produced some very remarkable art, not for sale or to make money, but
to feed her inner need.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
The only set plans I have between now and June would be doctors appointments
(I’m laughing)and learning to use an Instant Pot. Otherwise, most
That is like a cross between a pressure cooker and crockpot isn't it? I
have seen some talk about them on the RV Groups and forums.
Actually this new one has 7 functions. Pressure cooking and slow cooking are
two of them. Also has separate buttons/programs for Soup, Meat/Stew,
Bean/Chili, Poultry, Saute, Rice, Multigrain, Porridge, Steam, Yogurt. Can
also be used in manual mode with me setting times, pressure etc. I can brown
the meat, onions, etc before making the stew. There is a learning curve. When
I read the comments on this pot a lot of people are intimidated by it but not
too many failures when people finally try it out.
We could eliminate our slow cooker and rice steamer. (I only eat steamed
brown rice)
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Post by Lu
everything I and my friends do is spur of the moment and does not involve
travel of more then 20 miles or doing anything heavy. We are just too old.
Might work on a class reunion if we decide to have one?
I am going to retirees reunion. The number of people which are being
employee in that field shrink every year, because of more and more
automation. Where a switching station might have had three or four
technicians per shift and at least one control operator, with computerized
control and remote controlled operations, only one technician per switch
site. Some companies use on call techs which can make a longer power
outage.
I am glad I have the ability to live off grid.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-04-25 03:16:25 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
One of the things I like to do is find out how things work. this causes me to
take things apart when they break and I usually end up fixing it if I can.
Little things like small appliances and some of this high tech stuff. Right
now I have three broken computers sitting here and on two, the repairs are
very simple. The third one the repair is simple, replacement of the power
button, but requires soldering and I am not good at that at all. Could be the
cheap iron??? Maybe I should just practice?
Bob Officer
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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Post by Bob Officer
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
One of the things I like to do is find out how things work. this causes me to
take things apart when they break and I usually end up fixing it if I can.
Little things like small appliances and some of this high tech stuff. Right
now I have three broken computers sitting here and on two, the repairs are
very simple. The third one the repair is simple, replacement of the power
button, but requires soldering and I am not good at that at all. Could be the
cheap iron??? Maybe I should just practice?
Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
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Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placeb
o-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information
on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
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Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
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Post by Duncan
Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Post by Bob Officer
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big
banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admit
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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Post by Bob Officer
It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the
study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
Post by Duncan
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Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
Post by Bob Officer
Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
One of the things I like to do is find out how things work. this causes me to
take things apart when they break and I usually end up fixing it if I can.
Little things like small appliances and some of this high tech stuff. Right
now I have three broken computers sitting here and on two, the repairs are
very simple. The third one the repair is simple, replacement of the power
button, but requires soldering and I am not good at that at all. Could be the
cheap iron??? Maybe I should just practice?
Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
Heat and apply the solder to the item I am attaching to the circuit board
rather then the board itself???? That makes better sense if that is what you
mean. The Iron I have used in the past is a real cheap one and I will watch a
few of those videos on the internet to learn how to do this and then,
practice, practice, practice with that before I attempt to solder that power
switch (or what ever it is called. I was never any good at applying the
correct names of electronic parts) to the circuit board. If I had more use
for it I would buy a good Iron.
Bob Officer
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Post by Bob Officer
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placeb
o-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admit
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over again? It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
One of the things I like to do is find out how things work. this causes me to
take things apart when they break and I usually end up fixing it if I can.
Little things like small appliances and some of this high tech stuff. Right
now I have three broken computers sitting here and on two, the repairs are
very simple. The third one the repair is simple, replacement of the power
button, but requires soldering and I am not good at that at all. Could be the
cheap iron??? Maybe I should just practice?
Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
Heat and apply the solder to the item I am attaching to the circuit board
rather then the board itself????
Exact. The foil on circuit boards is fairly fragile.

Heat and tin (apply a bit of solder to what you are applying to the board).
Then and only then place the part on the board or thru the hole in the
board, and heat until the solder starts to floe tap a bit more solder and
let cool without moving the part. It should only take a few seconds (10).
Post by Lu
That makes better sense if that is what you
mean. The Iron I have used in the past is a real cheap one and I will watch a
few of those videos on the internet to learn how to do this and then,
practice, practice, practice with that before I attempt to solder that power
switch (or what ever it is called. I was never any good at applying the
correct names of electronic parts) to the circuit board. If I had more use
for it I would buy a good Iron.
You can have fun, building stuff is fun.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
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Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-plac
eb
o-
ef
fect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it
isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one
is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every
they
want.
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only
you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different
type
than your MBTI results. "
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-
th
e-
fad
-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ
to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue
with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and
not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar
scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent
scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows
“that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality
type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of
Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the
Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman
Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of
the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists
call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the
most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought,
feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a
planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality
trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae
and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive
information
on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is
not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality
type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and
people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way
you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are
willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that
you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate
what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you
even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked
up
to
him and he still ignored you.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out
when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of
people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that
jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined
by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not
valid.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current
doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and
SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was
just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is
not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no
science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates
the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big
banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-adm
it
s-
fak
e-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who
should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick
is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods
who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters
waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and
about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C.
pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that
the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona,
attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with
ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the
label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you
want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past,
and
has
no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the
study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I
just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones
questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do
not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can
not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
Your personality type is STUPid.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have
therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors
tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish
oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do
you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Don’t you get tired of refuting Carole's bull shit over and over
again?
It
is the sameday after day, a twisted view of America, Americans and the
pharmaceutical industry, with all her false claims to outright lies and
then
the name calling?
I do.
If you notice I often just ignore her, because the continue refutations of
her claims over and over again gets tiresome. Like swatting at a gnat.
However there is more and more data constantly coming out about how badly
the MBTI is. I read a paper which went back to the initial publication and
work upon which the MBTI was based upon.
Even the claim that certain personality types are better suited to certain
professions is unfounded and the data not only shows the claim is wrong and
it is simply a declaration by fiat which was taken as true without any
research or evidence or data.
This constant litany is repeated nonsense only shows Carole is persistent
and never finds anything new.
She isn't an Allie, she is simply an attention whore.
So in the last month I have taught classes, worked on the March of dimes
walk which took place this morning. Written three articles for Ham Radio.
Stated a fourth article, I am teaching Tuesday and next Saturday. Been
riding my bike, doing yard work and getting ready for a summer on the coast
where it will be cool.
And I started learning calligraphy just because it looks like fun. I know
being left handed is going to make it difficult to learn but then I like a
challenge.
What are your plans for the rest of spring and summer?
One of the things I like to do is find out how things work. this causes me to
take things apart when they break and I usually end up fixing it if I can.
Little things like small appliances and some of this high tech stuff. Right
now I have three broken computers sitting here and on two, the repairs are
very simple. The third one the repair is simple, replacement of the power
button, but requires soldering and I am not good at that at all. Could be the
cheap iron??? Maybe I should just practice?
Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
Heat and apply the solder to the item I am attaching to the circuit board
rather then the board itself????
Exact. The foil on circuit boards is fairly fragile.
Yes, I have already found that out and the reason I hesitate with the power
switch.
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Heat and tin (apply a bit of solder to what you are applying to the board).
Then and only then place the part on the board or thru the hole in the
board, and heat until the solder starts to floe tap a bit more solder and
let cool without moving the part. It should only take a few seconds (10).
I will have to do a bit of computer video learning. We can actually find
information on how to repair almost everything we own with schematics and
all. I followed one of those video’s, step by step when I changed the
internal hard drive in a laptop. No soldering that time.
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Post by Lu
That makes better sense if that is what you
mean. The Iron I have used in the past is a real cheap one and I will watch a
few of those videos on the internet to learn how to do this and then,
practice, practice, practice with that before I attempt to solder that power
switch (or what ever it is called. I was never any good at applying the
correct names of electronic parts) to the circuit board. If I had more use
for it I would buy a good Iron.
You can have fun, building stuff is fun.
I know, I used to do it all the time but now too old for the big stuff. Bird
houses is about my speed now using one of those smaller table saws with the
blade on a moving arm. Forget what they are called but I think they are used
for cutting picture frames etc.
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Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
Heat and apply the solder to the item I am attaching to the circuit board
rather then the board itself????
Exact. The foil on circuit boards is fairly fragile.
Yes, I have already found that out and the reason I hesitate with the power
switch.
So get some practice and then just do it.
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Post by Bob Officer
Heat and tin (apply a bit of solder to what you are applying to the board).
Then and only then place the part on the board or thru the hole in the
board, and heat until the solder starts to floe tap a bit more solder and
let cool without moving the part. It should only take a few seconds (10).
I will have to do a bit of computer video learning. We can actually find
information on how to repair almost everything we own with schematics and
all. I followed one of those video’s, step by step when I changed the
internal hard drive in a laptop. No soldering that time.
Look around and you'll find how to do videos for just about everything.
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That makes better sense if that is what you
mean. The Iron I have used in the past is a real cheap one and I will watch a
few of those videos on the internet to learn how to do this and then,
practice, practice, practice with that before I attempt to solder that power
switch (or what ever it is called. I was never any good at applying the
correct names of electronic parts) to the circuit board. If I had more use
for it I would buy a good Iron.
You can have fun, building stuff is fun.
I know, I used to do it all the time but now too old for the big stuff. Bird
houses is about my speed now using one of those smaller table saws with the
blade on a moving arm. Forget what they are called but I think they are used
for cutting picture frames etc.
Two types of saw like that, Radial Arm, where the blade gets pulled out and
Cut-off where the blades drops down.

I have to of the cutoff variety, one for wood and one for metal.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
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Practice. Heat the wire or the lug with the iron and apply the solder to
lug not iron. It that doesn't work you need a hotter iron, because you are
heating a lot of metal.
Heat and apply the solder to the item I am attaching to the circuit board
rather then the board itself????
Exact. The foil on circuit boards is fairly fragile.
Yes, I have already found that out and the reason I hesitate with the power
switch.
So get some practice and then just do it.
My intention.
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Heat and tin (apply a bit of solder to what you are applying to the board).
Then and only then place the part on the board or thru the hole in the
board, and heat until the solder starts to floe tap a bit more solder and
let cool without moving the part. It should only take a few seconds (10).
I will have to do a bit of computer video learning. We can actually find
information on how to repair almost everything we own with schematics and
all. I followed one of those video’s, step by step when I changed the
internal hard drive in a laptop. No soldering that time.
Look around and you'll find how to do videos for just about everything.
exactly and usually several different people demonstrating each repair.
Really good for us amateurs.
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That makes better sense if that is what you
mean. The Iron I have used in the past is a real cheap one and I will
watch
a
few of those videos on the internet to learn how to do this and then,
practice, practice, practice with that before I attempt to solder that power
switch (or what ever it is called. I was never any good at applying the
correct names of electronic parts) to the circuit board. If I had more use
for it I would buy a good Iron.
You can have fun, building stuff is fun.
I know, I used to do it all the time but now too old for the big stuff. Bird
houses is about my speed now using one of those smaller table saws with the
blade on a moving arm. Forget what they are called but I think they are used
for cutting picture frames etc.
Two types of saw like that, Radial Arm, where the blade gets pulled out and
Cut-off where the blades drops down.
I have to of the cutoff variety, one for wood and one for metal.
Yes, it is a small Radial Arm saws. As I said, I often do not remember the
name of items I am talking about. Anyway, I haven’t looked at it that saw
in awhile but as I said it is used for things like making picture frames and
does straight and different angle cuts. Miters come to mind but don’t
remember the names of the other cuts. It is small so I will get someone to
bring it upstairs to my deck and I will make some bird houses out of wood
scraps. NO, no plans, just ideas. :D
Duncan
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.

But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
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Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
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The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.

Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.

There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way. Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Whoopee bob.




--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
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[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.

A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.

And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.

You see they admit the test is invalid.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.

Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.

"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.

And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
From above:

"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when
two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?

Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.

You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.

really."
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, you opinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that agates n is
grasping at straws, Carole.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.

Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Whoopee bob.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
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And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
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"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.?"
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Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
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If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
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In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
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Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.
You're the bully bob ... a popular bully.
I've seen how you bully alties in mha by using mainstream doctored
views to make your points, and sticking to them even when they're
wrong.
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You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
Yes, I've heard that respect has to be earned.
You get respect for the effort you've made to try and be correct, by
holding to values you think are important in mainstream ways.
But in so many other ways your views are wrong.
I feel it is important to challenge people who hold themselves their
views up as impeccable, when in fact they're not right.

I don't have all the answers, but I have some of the answers and what
I know conflicts with mainstream. It doesn't help when people such as
yourself denies that alternative is any good.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
I learn, mainly that mainstream is wrong, mainstream is an
authoritorian system where dissent isn't allowed, and brown-nosers get
ahead and establishment lackeys get ahead.
The system is corrupt and serves the interests of those at the top.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.
No, it just means retesting in borderline areas that are inclusive.
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really."
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, you opinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
Bob, you are the one who confuses meaning of "belief" and "opinion".
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that agates n is
grasping at straws, Carole.
When I said "change" their personalities, it should have been
"improve" -- stop grasping as straws bob. People have inherent traits
which the MBTI describes, suitability for jobs, careers, whatever.
Very useful.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
And the non-delay at looking at alternatives kills many more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the success rate for cancer still
only about 65%? Mainstream isn't making much progress there, mostly
depending on early diagnosis but still depending on the old "poison,
cut and burn".
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
Not at all bob.
It is a well known fact that if any alternative cure comes along that
challenges big pharma profits, it is either bought up by big pharma,
propagandarised meaning a lot of scare mongering put out over it, or
the person is killed or otherwise taken care of.
Big pharma is constantly trying to find ways to shut down alternative,
making declarations as to its uselessness, getting laws changed to
eliminate it etc.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.
Chiropractic works, saved my tonsils.
Naturapathy is a mix of different things - herbs, supplements and
whatever. I've been to a naturapath but didn't help in my cases, had
to solve it myself with research, trial and error.
Homeopathy works if you get the right remedy which can depend on the
skill of the homeopath for right remedy and strength. But a person can
do it themselves by reading up on the various remedies and matching
close as possible, to the condition.
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Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
Not really bob.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
And you read this where?
That would be fake news bob.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
No bob, that was the claim made against Alex Jones by those trying to
discredit him.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer ? not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
I watch Alex Jones here and there and remember this bit from one of
his podcasts.
He says he has been accused of playing a character but what he means
is during his podcasts he sometimes mimics the opposition and what
they say, he put on a funny voice and says something they say in order
to denigrate or rubbish them. In this case he is putting on a
character but it is for the case of illustration.
Alex Jones is himself and on his shows he reflects his own ideas as a
patriot, but sometimes gets into a character for the purposes of
illustration, to emphasis the nonsense put out by some of the
mouthpieces representing mainstream.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
I learn ... just not the crap put out by social engineers.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
Watch out bob, you're talking in circles and beginning to disappear up
your own arsehole.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
No its not.
I am entitled to learn what I consider worthy of learning and
disregard what I consider to be un-worthy of any further examination.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
And how recently has that come into being?
Doctors still mostly recommend pharmaceutical drugs because they are
trained in pharmaceutical schools of medicine which Rockefeller got
going with massive donations back about 100 years ago, as long as they
taught pharmaceutical drugs. No homeopaths were allowed to go to these
schools. Any doctor practising homeopathy was automatically disbarred
from AMA. Rockefeller medicine tried to get chiropractic outlawed but
the chiropractors won the court case.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
I'm excited for you bob.
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Whoopee bob.
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"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
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[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
No, Carole, what you have stated is only an assumption, and the data
gathered over time shows it is not a true assumption.
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And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
That again is an assumptions n, shown not to be true, by data collected
over time.

The whole premise according to Jung is personality is a fix quality. The
entire test is built around that false falsified premise.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
Yes you did and it invalidates your choice.

And if you insist on proceeding, I will contact the corporation which owns
the Myers Briggs Test Instrument and that will take care of it.
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And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
I really don't care what you say Carole, because you have lost it here. You
might as will call me any other departing term you want. Because no matter
what name or label you apply all others people reading this know how
utterly STUPid you are.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
Not Carole that is you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
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"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.?"
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Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
And again and again.

The assumption the test is valid for personalities which are fix at birth,
it falsified, the result of any such testing is invalid.
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If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
Exactly.

For personality testing, sadly the MBTI is falsified. Sort of like looking
iridologist through in a person's eyes. That test was shown to be
completely false.
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In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
Sad that description fits you, Carole.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
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Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.
You're the bully bob ... a popular bully.
I've seen how you bully alties in mha by using mainstream doctored
views to make your points, and sticking to them even when they're
wrong.
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You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
Yes, I've heard that respect has to be earned.
And you failed to be respected everywhere.
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I don't have all the answers,
You have no answers, Carole.
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but I have some of the answers and what
I know conflicts with mainstream. It doesn't help when people such as
yourself denies that alternative is any good.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
I learn,
Not that I have seen
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.
No, it just means retesting in borderline areas that are inclusive.
And some people like me never score the same twice in a row.
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, youropinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
Bob, you are the one who confuses meaning of "belief" and "opinion".
The proof is the words are not the same and have different meaning and
usage.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that actually is
grasping at straws, Carole.
When I said "change" their personalities, it should have been
"improve" -- stop grasping as straws bob. People have inherent traits
which the MBTI describes, suitability for jobs, careers, whatever.
Very useful.
So why don't you improve your personality? You an willfully ignorant
antisocial personality.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
And the non-delay at looking at alternatives kills many more.
Alternative didn't work, why waste time exploring that which never worked.
All the so call alternatives have been tested and found to be nothing more
that scams.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the success rate for cancer still
only about 65%? Mainstream isn't making much progress there, mostly
depending on early diagnosis but still depending on the old "poison,
cut and burn".
It has improved.
Do you really want to be taken to task again?

For some cancers the 5 and 10 survival rates are nearly 100%. For a few it
has not improved in the ten year rate, but the five year rates have
improved.

Consider that all alternative rates are still at 12-15%, the same as doing
nothing.
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
Not at all bob.
It is a well known fact that if any alternative cure comes along that
challenges big pharma profits, it is either bought up by big pharma,
propagandarised meaning a lot of scare mongering put out over it, or
the person is killed or otherwise taken care of.
And the list of these alternative cures is where and how was those claims
validated?
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Big pharma is constantly trying to find ways to shut down alternative,
making declarations as to its uselessness, getting laws changed to
eliminate it etc.
Scams are unlawful.
It is a sick person which takes a sick persons money and does nothing to
help them.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.
Chiropractic works, saved my tonsils.
Lol, tonsillitis is a self limiting condition. It get better with or
without treatment.
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Naturapathy is a mix of different things - herbs, supplements and
whatever. I've been to a naturapath but didn't help in my cases, had
to solve it myself with research, trial and error.
And your condition is still there your colon bomb still hasn't gotten rid
of your fungus.
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Homeopathy works if you get the right remedy which can depend on the
skill of the homeopath for right remedy and strength. But a person can
do it themselves by reading up on the various remedies and matching
close as possible, to the condition.
Even your own county states homeopathy is not validated treatment.
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Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
Not really bob.
From your posting history it appears your are innumerate.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
And you read this where?
That would be fake news bob.
The public court records, Carole.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
No bob, that was the claim made against Alex Jones by those trying to
discredit him.
It was made by him and his lawyer in court and on the public court records.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer ? not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
I watch Alex Jones here and there and remember this bit from one of
his podcasts.
He says he has been accused of playing a character but what he means
is during his podcasts he sometimes mimics the opposition and what
they say, he put on a funny voice and says something they say in order
to denigrate or rubbish them. In this case he is putting on a
character but it is for the case of illustration.
Alex Jones is himself and on his shows he reflects his own ideas as a
patriot, but sometimes gets into a character for the purposes of
illustration, to emphasis the nonsense put out by some of the
mouthpieces representing mainstream.
That not what he testified to in court.

Either he lied in court or he lies on the radio?
His testimony in court was his sworn word.
Where did he lie, because both things are mutually exclusive. logically one
state is a lie or the other is a lie, which is it?
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
I learn ... just not the crap put out by social engineers.
That is funny Carole.
A real knee slapper
Sadly it just wasn't funny enough for you to be a comedian.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
Watch out bob, you're talking in circles and beginning to disappear up
your own arsehole.
You are not rational.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
No its not.
I am entitled to learn what I consider worthy of learning and
disregard what I consider to be un-worthy of any further examination.
Now there is an perfect example of being an ostrich
Or is your own head up your own ass?
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
And how recently has that come into being?
30 years that I know.
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Doctors still mostly recommend pharmaceutical drugs because they are
To help people get through the critical part. The drugs are a stop gap
measure. The doctors recommend diet and other lifestyle changes but can not
force them. Most people are to lazy to change their eating and other
lifestyle habits.

That big juicy hamburger and fries with milk shake provide all calories an
adult might need for a day depending on their activity level. Most over
eat, 8 or 10 ounce steak is twice the meat needed add in the potatoes, and
other starches.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
I'm excited for you bob.
Anyone think that statement is creepy.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo
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Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
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And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
And every time you tell us the results of the test you took for Bob you are
telling us that it is YOU who tested out to be THE NON-RATIONAL ESTJ.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the
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"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.?"
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Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
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If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
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In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
In other words, she has no friends at all.
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Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.
You're the bully bob ... a popular bully.
I've seen how you bully alties in mha by using mainstream doctored
views to make your points, and sticking to them even when they're
wrong.
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You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
Yes, I've heard that respect has to be earned.
You get respect for the effort you've made to try and be correct, by
holding to values you think are important in mainstream ways.
But in so many other ways your views are wrong.
I feel it is important to challenge people who hold themselves their
views up as impeccable, when in fact they're not right.
You got that one all wrong.
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I don't have all the answers, but I have some of the answers and what
I know conflicts with mainstream. It doesn't help when people such as
yourself denies that alternative is any good.
the only thing alternative are good for is filling some cheats bank account.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
I learn, mainly that mainstream is wrong, mainstream is an
authoritorian system where dissent isn't allowed, and brown-nosers get
ahead and establishment lackeys get ahead.
The system is corrupt and serves the interests of those at the top.
Oh my, the bull shit is deep today. You must have taken a double dose of your
favorite baking ingredients.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.
No, it just means retesting in borderline areas that are inclusive.
The answers to tests like the MBTI depend on the persons point of view at
that minute. Their point of view is shaped by their experiences throughout
their lives. The longer they live the more their point of view changes.
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, you opinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
Bob, you are the one who confuses meaning of "belief" and "opinion".
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that agates n is
grasping at straws, Carole.
When I said "change" their personalities, it should have been
"improve" -- stop grasping as straws bob. People have inherent traits
which the MBTI describes, suitability for jobs, careers, whatever.
Very useful.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
And the non-delay at looking at alternatives kills many more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the success rate for cancer still
only about 65%? Mainstream isn't making much progress there, mostly
depending on early diagnosis but still depending on the old "poison,
cut and burn".
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
Not at all bob.
It is a well known fact that if any alternative cure comes along that
challenges big pharma profits, it is either bought up by big pharma,
propagandarised meaning a lot of scare mongering put out over it, or
the person is killed or otherwise taken care of.
Big pharma is constantly trying to find ways to shut down alternative,
making declarations as to its uselessness, getting laws changed to
eliminate it etc.
SO WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THAT CLAIM THAT BOB ASKED FOR?
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.
Chiropractic works, saved my tonsils.
Naturapathy is a mix of different things - herbs, supplements and
whatever. I've been to a naturapath but didn't help in my cases, had
to solve it myself with research, trial and error.
Can anyone imagine solving unknown medical situations with trial and error
solutions?
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Homeopathy works if you get the right remedy which can depend on the
skill of the homeopath for right remedy and strength. But a person can
do it themselves by reading up on the various remedies and matching
close as possible, to the condition.
ROFLMHO

I see that big “if” in her rant. Carole tells us that "Homeopathy works
IF” they guess the right condition and IF they match the right remedy to
that guessed at condition.

Who besides Carole would be crazy enough to put their medical needs into the
hands of an amateur like herself?
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Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
Not really bob.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits
-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
And you read this where?
That would be fake news bob.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
No bob, that was the claim made against Alex Jones by those trying to
discredit him.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer ? not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
I watch Alex Jones here and there and remember this bit from one of
his podcasts.
He says he has been accused of playing a character but what he means
is during his podcasts he sometimes mimics the opposition and what
they say, he put on a funny voice and says something they say in order
to denigrate or rubbish them. In this case he is putting on a
character but it is for the case of illustration.
Alex Jones is himself and on his shows he reflects his own ideas as a
patriot, but sometimes gets into a character for the purposes of
illustration, to emphasis the nonsense put out by some of the
mouthpieces representing mainstream.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
I learn ... just not the crap put out by social engineers.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
Watch out bob, you're talking in circles and beginning to disappear up
your own arsehole.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
No its not.
I am entitled to learn what I consider worthy of learning and
disregard what I consider to be un-worthy of any further examination.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
And how recently has that come into being?
Doctors still mostly recommend pharmaceutical drugs because they are
trained in pharmaceutical schools of medicine which Rockefeller got
going with massive donations back about 100 years ago, as long as they
taught pharmaceutical drugs. No homeopaths were allowed to go to these
schools. Any doctor practising homeopathy was automatically disbarred
from AMA. Rockefeller medicine tried to get chiropractic outlawed but
the chiropractors won the court case.
A whole paragraph containing only lies.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
I'm excited for you bob.
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Whoopee bob.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo
-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
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And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
And every time you tell us the results of the test you took for Bob you are
telling us that it is YOU who tested out to be THE NON-RATIONAL ESTJ.
That's seems to be a fact she can not grasp.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the
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"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.?"
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Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
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If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
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In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
In other words, she has no friends at all.
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.

The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.

Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
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Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.
You're the bully bob ... a popular bully.
I've seen how you bully alties in mha by using mainstream doctored
views to make your points, and sticking to them even when they're
wrong.
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You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
Yes, I've heard that respect has to be earned.
You get respect for the effort you've made to try and be correct, by
holding to values you think are important in mainstream ways.
But in so many other ways your views are wrong.
I feel it is important to challenge people who hold themselves their
views up as impeccable, when in fact they're not right.
You got that one all wrong.
I openly accept fact and data based challenges.
However simply saying the same thing and using the same falsified web sites
really is not defending anyone's claims.
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I don't have all the answers, but I have some of the answers and what
I know conflicts with mainstream. It doesn't help when people such as
yourself denies that alternative is any good.
the only thing alternative are good for is filling some cheats bank account.
She has no really answers because real answers require real knowledge.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
I learn, mainly that mainstream is wrong, mainstream is an
authoritorian system where dissent isn't allowed, and brown-nosers get
ahead and establishment lackeys get ahead.
The system is corrupt and serves the interests of those at the top.
Oh my, the bull shit is deep today. You must have taken a double dose of your
favorite baking ingredients.
Indeed.

Read the following and see how she has to dance around and her very poor
attempts fabricate her own truths.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.
No, it just means retesting in borderline areas that are inclusive.
The answers to tests like the MBTI depend on the persons point of view at
that minute. Their point of view is shaped by their experiences throughout
their lives. The longer they live the more their point of view changes.
And somehow with a 1/3 of people taking the test getting different results,
just seem to indicate the test has some major problems. It belongs to the
class of parlor games.
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really."
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, you opinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
Bob, you are the one who confuses meaning of "belief" and "opinion".
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that agates n is
grasping at straws, Carole.
When I said "change" their personalities, it should have been
"improve" -- stop grasping as straws bob. People have inherent traits
which the MBTI describes, suitability for jobs, careers, whatever.
Very useful.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
And the non-delay at looking at alternatives kills many more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the success rate for cancer still
only about 65%? Mainstream isn't making much progress there, mostly
depending on early diagnosis but still depending on the old "poison,
cut and burn".
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
Not at all bob.
It is a well known fact that if any alternative cure comes along that
challenges big pharma profits, it is either bought up by big pharma,
propagandarised meaning a lot of scare mongering put out over it, or
the person is killed or otherwise taken care of.
Big pharma is constantly trying to find ways to shut down alternative,
making declarations as to its uselessness, getting laws changed to
eliminate it etc.
SO WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THAT CLAIM THAT BOB ASKED FOR?
She danced around that question without any valid answer.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.
Chiropractic works, saved my tonsils.
Naturapathy is a mix of different things - herbs, supplements and
whatever. I've been to a naturapath but didn't help in my cases, had
to solve it myself with research, trial and error.
Can anyone imagine solving unknown medical situations with trial and error
solutions?
Anyone else notice this claim cements the proof that this sock is Carole?

Again there a few situations in which trail treatment are used, but with
modern differential diagnosis, they are few and far between.
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Homeopathy works if you get the right remedy which can depend on the
skill of the homeopath for right remedy and strength. But a person can
do it themselves by reading up on the various remedies and matching
close as possible, to the condition.
ROFLMHO
I see that big “if” in her rant. Carole tells us that "Homeopathy works
IF” they guess the right condition and IF they match the right remedy to
that guessed at condition.
But she misses the fact the premise of homeopathy has been invalidated, and
like trained dogs, people,are slow to realize the truth.
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Who besides Carole would be crazy enough to put their medical needs into the
hands of an amateur like herself?
Other idiots abound in the world. We have been more or less programmed for
magic nonsense from birth. It takes hard work to not be a simple minded
person.
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Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
Not really bob.
It must be why she uses so many fallacies.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits
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"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
And you read this where?
That would be fake news bob.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
No bob, that was the claim made against Alex Jones by those trying to
discredit him.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer ? not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
I watch Alex Jones here and there and remember this bit from one of
his podcasts.
He says he has been accused of playing a character but what he means
is during his podcasts he sometimes mimics the opposition and what
they say, he put on a funny voice and says something they say in order
to denigrate or rubbish them. In this case he is putting on a
character but it is for the case of illustration.
Alex Jones is himself and on his shows he reflects his own ideas as a
patriot, but sometimes gets into a character for the purposes of
illustration, to emphasis the nonsense put out by some of the
mouthpieces representing mainstream.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
I learn ... just not the crap put out by social engineers.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
Watch out bob, you're talking in circles and beginning to disappear up
your own arsehole.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
No its not.
I am entitled to learn what I consider worthy of learning and
disregard what I consider to be un-worthy of any further examination.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
And how recently has that come into being?
Doctors still mostly recommend pharmaceutical drugs because they are
trained in pharmaceutical schools of medicine which Rockefeller got
going with massive donations back about 100 years ago, as long as they
taught pharmaceutical drugs. No homeopaths were allowed to go to these
schools. Any doctor practising homeopathy was automatically disbarred
from AMA. Rockefeller medicine tried to get chiropractic outlawed but
the chiropractors won the court case.
A whole paragraph containing only lies.
I know, every time she is shown that her beliefs are wrong, she rejects
that information. Why I don't know. Wether is was Peter showing her then
syllabus for medical students or web site after web site which contains the
recommendations for treatment, Carole will just refuse to even look.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
I'm excited for you bob.
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Whoopee bob.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-place
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Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it
isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one
is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every
they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
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And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
And every time you tell us the results of the test you took for Bob you are
telling us that it is YOU who tested out to be THE NON-RATIONAL ESTJ.
That's seems to be a fact she can not grasp.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only
you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-t
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-fad-won-t-die
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"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar
scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent
scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality
type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the
Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman
Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of
the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists
call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought,
feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a
planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information
on
the four domains it does sample.?"
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Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is
not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
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If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
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In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality
type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and
people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way
you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you
even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up
to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
In other words, she has no friends at all.
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
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Your just a common bully will no knowledge and no tact.
You're the bully bob ... a popular bully.
I've seen how you bully alties in mha by using mainstream doctored
views to make your points, and sticking to them even when they're
wrong.
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You demand result but fail to realize respect is earned.
Yes, I've heard that respect has to be earned.
You get respect for the effort you've made to try and be correct, by
holding to values you think are important in mainstream ways.
But in so many other ways your views are wrong.
I feel it is important to challenge people who hold themselves their
views up as impeccable, when in fact they're not right.
You got that one all wrong.
I openly accept fact and data based challenges.
However simply saying the same thing and using the same falsified web sites
really is not defending anyone's claims.
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I don't have all the answers, but I have some of the answers and what
I know conflicts with mainstream. It doesn't help when people such as
yourself denies that alternative is any good.
the only thing alternative are good for is filling some cheats bank account.
She has no really answers because real answers require real knowledge.
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Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Actually not true. It is you which is so impassioned by your emotions of
hate, you refuse to learn.
I learn, mainly that mainstream is wrong, mainstream is an
authoritorian system where dissent isn't allowed, and brown-nosers get
ahead and establishment lackeys get ahead.
The system is corrupt and serves the interests of those at the top.
Oh my, the bull shit is deep today. You must have taken a double dose of your
favorite baking ingredients.
Indeed.
Read the following and see how she has to dance around and her very poor
attempts fabricate her own truths.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Then the test is invalid.
No, it just means retesting in borderline areas that are inclusive.
The answers to tests like the MBTI depend on the persons point of view at
that minute. Their point of view is shaped by their experiences throughout
their lives. The longer they live the more their point of view changes.
And somehow with a 1/3 of people taking the test getting different results,
just seem to indicate the test has some major problems. It belongs to the
class of parlor games.
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really."
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"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources..."
..., the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of
people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that
jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined
by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not
valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
It doesn't matter what believe, you opinion is invalid, because the vast
amount to data shows you are just wrong in that line of believing. If you
were actually thinking you would look at the data. You are again confusing
the word think and believe. Believing is emotional based process where data
in information is given less weight than feelings.
Bob, you are the one who confuses meaning of "belief" and "opinion".
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current
doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION.
You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you
constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is
not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates
the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
Nice of you describe what you are doing. It is you that agates n is
grasping at straws, Carole.
When I said "change" their personalities, it should have been
"improve" -- stop grasping as straws bob. People have inherent traits
which the MBTI describes, suitability for jobs, careers, whatever.
Very useful.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
The delay in seeing a real doctor or getting real treatment dooms so many
people.
And the non-delay at looking at alternatives kills many more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the success rate for cancer still
only about 65%? Mainstream isn't making much progress there, mostly
depending on early diagnosis but still depending on the old "poison,
cut and burn".
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Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
And the proof of that claim?
Right just empty claims.
Not at all bob.
It is a well known fact that if any alternative cure comes along that
challenges big pharma profits, it is either bought up by big pharma,
propagandarised meaning a lot of scare mongering put out over it, or
the person is killed or otherwise taken care of.
Big pharma is constantly trying to find ways to shut down alternative,
making declarations as to its uselessness, getting laws changed to
eliminate it etc.
SO WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THAT CLAIM THAT BOB ASKED FOR?
She danced around that question without any valid answer.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
Funny you make that claim, that the ratio of Evidence based medicine to
quacks like Riki, chiropractic, naturopathy.
Chiropractic works, saved my tonsils.
Naturapathy is a mix of different things - herbs, supplements and
whatever. I've been to a naturapath but didn't help in my cases, had
to solve it myself with research, trial and error.
Can anyone imagine solving unknown medical situations with trial and error
solutions?
Anyone else notice this claim cements the proof that this sock is Carole?
Again there a few situations in which trail treatment are used, but with
modern differential diagnosis, they are few and far between.
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Homeopathy works if you get the right remedy which can depend on the
skill of the homeopath for right remedy and strength. But a person can
do it themselves by reading up on the various remedies and matching
close as possible, to the condition.
ROFLMHO
I see that big “if” in her rant. Carole tells us that "Homeopathy works
IF” they guess the right condition and IF they match the right remedy to
that guessed at condition.
But she misses the fact the premise of homeopathy has been invalidated, and
like trained dogs, people,are slow to realize the truth.
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Who besides Carole would be crazy enough to put their medical needs into the
hands of an amateur like herself?
Other idiots abound in the world. We have been more or less programmed for
magic nonsense from birth. It takes hard work to not be a simple minded
person.
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Logic Carole is not something you are good at, and you really have a
problem with numbers don't you?
Not really bob.
It must be why she uses so many fallacies.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big
banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admi
ts
-fake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who
should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick
is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters
waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Alex Jones state in his custody hearings, that he makes up stuff and his
show is performance art.
And you read this where?
That would be fake news bob.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and
about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C.
pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
What part of his admissions n that he makes up stuff and his show is
"performance art" didn't you understand?
No bob, that was the claim made against Alex Jones by those trying to
discredit him.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer ? not the mainstream media that
the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona,
attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Actually it was from the official court records, Carole.
I watch Alex Jones here and there and remember this bit from one of
his podcasts.
He says he has been accused of playing a character but what he means
is during his podcasts he sometimes mimics the opposition and what
they say, he put on a funny voice and says something they say in order
to denigrate or rubbish them. In this case he is putting on a
character but it is for the case of illustration.
Alex Jones is himself and on his shows he reflects his own ideas as a
patriot, but sometimes gets into a character for the purposes of
illustration, to emphasis the nonsense put out by some of the
mouthpieces representing mainstream.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the
study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I
just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
And that's what I pointed out, the errors in this study which YOU sited
were fundamental in it design.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is
worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can
not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way.
You're not rational Carole. A ratio person learns, you either don't and
can't.
I learn ... just not the crap put out by social engineers.
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Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
Bull shit Carole. Only an irrational person would make a perfect example
of psychological projection like you just did.
Watch out bob, you're talking in circles and beginning to disappear up
your own arsehole.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
It is accurate, and is shown in the thread.
No its not.
I am entitled to learn what I consider worthy of learning and
disregard what I consider to be un-worthy of any further examination.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have
therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors
tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish
oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do
you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
One of the most common things cardiologist recommend to their patients to
prevent heart problems is fish oil supplements, diet changes and exercise.
And how recently has that come into being?
Doctors still mostly recommend pharmaceutical drugs because they are
trained in pharmaceutical schools of medicine which Rockefeller got
going with massive donations back about 100 years ago, as long as they
taught pharmaceutical drugs. No homeopaths were allowed to go to these
schools. Any doctor practising homeopathy was automatically disbarred
from AMA. Rockefeller medicine tried to get chiropractic outlawed but
the chiropractors won the court case.
A whole paragraph containing only lies.
I know, every time she is shown that her beliefs are wrong, she rejects
that information. Why I don't know. Wether is was Peter showing her then
syllabus for medical students or web site after web site which contains the
recommendations for treatment, Carole will just refuse to even look.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
I'm excited for you bob.
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Whoopee bob.
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Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
Carole dozen realize how poor her position is. she confuses popularity with
support. Bolen is an Altie f,sort and seek to make a profit with his lack
of knowledge.
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In other words, she has no friends at all.
Friends or support. Form some reason she has little.
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The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Cookies is a key. Those web site set and read cookies. They gather
marketing data. They also get click-through fees if you click on one of the
advertised web sites for day or in a few cases months after viewing an ad
on their web site. It depends on their contract with the ad vender. They
get few thousandth of a cent for ad viewed. Doesn't sound like much but a
popular test site can get a 100k test takers a day, if the web site is set
up right you see at least two or three ads per question page.

One test site I looked at had three unique ads per question page and it was
a 100 question history test. 3/1000 x 100 x>100,000 = $30000 in one day.
There was also a page which was the intro page, and the scoring page and
score comparison page which was nice because it allowed you see how others
actually did and which questions were the most missed such which all had
ads, and then the web site had you enter an email address and sent a nifty
looking PDF of a certificate.

The test was designed by a "history" student at NYCC. I suspect it was
really a marketing student.

Yes, some testing sites can make 25,000 or more on a good day. The test was
very popular on Facebook and I took it. It was the 1st day the test was up
and at 10pm the final page hit counter was over 100,000 hits. Over 100,000
people had completed all 100 questions. I am not sure what the marketing
data was worth I suspected the web site that day netted the site owner a
neat bundle of cash in one day and the web site was still up and running a
week or so later the hit counter showed it had nearly 3million hits.

And It was entertaining.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
Carole dozen realize how poor her position is. she confuses popularity with
support. Bolen is an Altie f,sort and seek to make a profit with his lack
of knowledge.
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In other words, she has no friends at all.
Friends or support. Form some reason she has little.
Bottom line: Carole is an idiot.
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The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Cookies is a key. Those web site set and read cookies. They gather
marketing data. They also get click-through fees if you click on one of the
advertised web sites for day or in a few cases months after viewing an ad
on their web site. It depends on their contract with the ad vender. They
get few thousandth of a cent for ad viewed. Doesn't sound like much but a
popular test site can get a 100k test takers a day, if the web site is set
up right you see at least two or three ads per question page.
One test site I looked at had three unique ads per question page and it was
a 100 question history test. 3/1000 x 100 x>100,000 = $30000 in one day.
There was also a page which was the intro page, and the scoring page and
score comparison page which was nice because it allowed you see how others
actually did and which questions were the most missed such which all had
ads, and then the web site had you enter an email address and sent a nifty
looking PDF of a certificate.
The test was designed by a "history" student at NYCC. I suspect it was
really a marketing student.
Yes, some testing sites can make 25,000 or more on a good day. The test was
very popular on Facebook and I took it. It was the 1st day the test was up
and at 10pm the final page hit counter was over 100,000 hits. Over 100,000
people had completed all 100 questions. I am not sure what the marketing
data was worth I suspected the web site that day netted the site owner a
neat bundle of cash in one day and the web site was still up and running a
week or so later the hit counter showed it had nearly 3million hits.
And It was entertaining.
Lu
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
Carole dozen realize how poor her position is. she confuses popularity with
support. Bolen is an Altie f,sort and seek to make a profit with his lack
of knowledge.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
In other words, she has no friends at all.
Friends or support. Form some reason she has little.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Cookies is a key. Those web site set and read cookies. They gather
marketing data. They also get click-through fees if you click on one of the
advertised web sites for day or in a few cases months after viewing an ad
on their web site. It depends on their contract with the ad vender. They
get few thousandth of a cent for ad viewed. Doesn't sound like much but a
popular test site can get a 100k test takers a day, if the web site is set
up right you see at least two or three ads per question page.
I forgot about cookies. So the test sites have advertisements that place
cookies on my computer if I click on one of those advertisements. I would
imagine they would plant a cookie or two just for going to the quiz site.
Post by Bob Officer
One test site I looked at had three unique ads per question page and it was
a 100 question history test. 3/1000 x 100 x>100,000 = $30000 in one day.
There was also a page which was the intro page, and the scoring page and
score comparison page which was nice because it allowed you see how others
actually did and which questions were the most missed such which all had
ads, and then the web site had you enter an email address and sent a nifty
looking PDF of a certificate.
I don’t look at ads on web pages. I am a sucker for click bate though.
Post by Bob Officer
The test was designed by a "history" student at NYCC. I suspect it was
really a marketing student.
Yes, some testing sites can make 25,000 or more on a good day. The test was
very popular on Facebook and I took it. It was the 1st day the test was up
and at 10pm the final page hit counter was over 100,000 hits. Over 100,000
people had completed all 100 questions. I am not sure what the marketing
data was worth I suspected the web site that day netted the site owner a
neat bundle of cash in one day and the web site was still up and running a
week or so later the hit counter showed it had nearly 3million hits.
They also get a lot of information just on our answers to those tests. Take a
test on science and score 98% and then take a test on history and score 47%
tells them a lot about you. Also some of those tests can be looking to
profile personality, etc.
Post by Bob Officer
And It was entertaining.
Funny thing is that I keep getting posts from Twitter about Alternative
Health remedies. I very rarely even go on Twitter but I do occasionally
Google alternative health information when a question comes up in this NG.
Sounds like I have a tracking cookie. Seems I also have persistent cookies
from NewEgg and eBay. I can see eBay but I never use NewEgg.
Bob Officer
2017-05-06 04:39:10 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
Carole dozen realize how poor her position is. she confuses popularity with
support. Bolen is an Altie f,sort and seek to make a profit with his lack
of knowledge.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
In other words, she has no friends at all.
Friends or support. Form some reason she has little.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Cookies is a key. Those web site set and read cookies. They gather
marketing data. They also get click-through fees if you click on one of the
advertised web sites for day or in a few cases months after viewing an ad
on their web site. It depends on their contract with the ad vender. They
get few thousandth of a cent for ad viewed. Doesn't sound like much but a
popular test site can get a 100k test takers a day, if the web site is set
up right you see at least two or three ads per question page.
I forgot about cookies. So the test sites have advertisements that place
cookies on my computer if I click on one of those advertisements. I would
imagine they would plant a cookie or two just for going to the quiz site.
Yes, I would suggest using a browser which has an incognito mode and do not
allow cookies to be set.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
One test site I looked at had three unique ads per question page and it was
a 100 question history test. 3/1000 x 100 x>100,000 = $30000 in one day.
There was also a page which was the intro page, and the scoring page and
score comparison page which was nice because it allowed you see how others
actually did and which questions were the most missed such which all had
ads, and then the web site had you enter an email address and sent a nifty
looking PDF of a certificate.
I don’t look at ads on web pages. I am a sucker for click bate though.
These test are clickbait. If I take them I use a throwaway mail box, which
leads to an anti spam honey pot.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The test was designed by a "history" student at NYCC. I suspect it was
really a marketing student.
Yes, some testing sites can make 25,000 or more on a good day. The test was
very popular on Facebook and I took it. It was the 1st day the test was up
and at 10pm the final page hit counter was over 100,000 hits. Over 100,000
people had completed all 100 questions. I am not sure what the marketing
data was worth I suspected the web site that day netted the site owner a
neat bundle of cash in one day and the web site was still up and running a
week or so later the hit counter showed it had nearly 3million hits.
They also get a lot of information just on our answers to those tests. Take a
test on science and score 98% and then take a test on history and score 47%
tells them a lot about you. Also some of those tests can be looking to
profile personality, etc.
That too. However I tend to score well on all tests.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
And It was entertaining.
Funny thing is that I keep getting posts from Twitter about Alternative
Health remedies. I very rarely even go on Twitter but I do occasionally
Google alternative health information when a question comes up in this NG.
Sounds like I have a tracking cookie. Seems I also have persistent cookies
from NewEgg and eBay. I can see eBay but I never use NewEgg.
I used newegg about 20 years ago to get a certain type of high tech music
player.

I bought some glasses my wife wanted off eBay a few years ago. I sold a
bunch of radio stuff also. I seldom spend time just looking at stuff.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-05-07 23:44:37 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
Carole dozen realize how poor her position is. she confuses popularity with
support. Bolen is an Altie f,sort and seek to make a profit with his lack
of knowledge.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
In other words, she has no friends at all.
Friends or support. Form some reason she has little.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Cookies is a key. Those web site set and read cookies. They gather
marketing data. They also get click-through fees if you click on one of the
advertised web sites for day or in a few cases months after viewing an ad
on their web site. It depends on their contract with the ad vender. They
get few thousandth of a cent for ad viewed. Doesn't sound like much but a
popular test site can get a 100k test takers a day, if the web site is set
up right you see at least two or three ads per question page.
I forgot about cookies. So the test sites have advertisements that place
cookies on my computer if I click on one of those advertisements. I would
imagine they would plant a cookie or two just for going to the quiz site.
Yes, I would suggest using a browser which has an incognito mode and do not
allow cookies to be set.
Something else I will have to learn about.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
One test site I looked at had three unique ads per question page and it was
a 100 question history test. 3/1000 x 100 x>100,000 = $30000 in one day.
There was also a page which was the intro page, and the scoring page and
score comparison page which was nice because it allowed you see how others
actually did and which questions were the most missed such which all had
ads, and then the web site had you enter an email address and sent a nifty
looking PDF of a certificate.
I don’t look at ads on web pages. I am a sucker for click bate though.
These test are clickbait. If I take them I use a throwaway mail box, which
leads to an anti spam honey pot.
I skip the ones that ask for email addresses. Same with cookies. If I can’t
see their site without allowing them to plant a cookie I don’t bother with
them.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The test was designed by a "history" student at NYCC. I suspect it was
really a marketing student.
Yes, some testing sites can make 25,000 or more on a good day. The test was
very popular on Facebook and I took it. It was the 1st day the test was up
and at 10pm the final page hit counter was over 100,000 hits. Over 100,000
people had completed all 100 questions. I am not sure what the marketing
data was worth I suspected the web site that day netted the site owner a
neat bundle of cash in one day and the web site was still up and running a
week or so later the hit counter showed it had nearly 3million hits.
They also get a lot of information just on our answers to those tests. Take a
test on science and score 98% and then take a test on history and score 47%
tells them a lot about you. Also some of those tests can be looking to
profile personality, etc.
That too. However I tend to score well on all tests.
I do too and some of the scores I do not believe.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
And It was entertaining.
Funny thing is that I keep getting posts from Twitter about Alternative
Health remedies. I very rarely even go on Twitter but I do occasionally
Google alternative health information when a question comes up in this NG.
Sounds like I have a tracking cookie. Seems I also have persistent cookies
from NewEgg and eBay. I can see eBay but I never use NewEgg.
I used newegg about 20 years ago to get a certain type of high tech music
player.
I bought some glasses my wife wanted off eBay a few years ago. I sold a
bunch of radio stuff also. I seldom spend time just looking at stuff.
I use eBay quite often. Always been satisfied.
kaye
2017-05-06 04:34:54 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:06:22 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 20:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:18:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-place
bo
-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it
isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
Post by Bob Officer
And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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Post by Duncan
But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
And every time you tell us the results of the test you took for Bob you are
telling us that it is YOU who tested out to be THE NON-RATIONAL ESTJ.
That's seems to be a fact she can not grasp.
Post by Lu
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Post by Bob Officer
Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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Post by Bob Officer
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test, those
are your results, not mine.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-t
he
-fad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows ?that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.?"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
Post by Bob Officer
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
Post by Bob Officer
In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
Post by Duncan
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Duncan
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
In other words, she has no friends at all.
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Those little quizzes seem innocuous enough, but they really aren't just
looking at your answers. The ones I have seen request access to your
profile: your friends list, your likes and what type of groups you may
belong to, what you click on as likes. They are harvesting all kinds of
information for marketing purposes. Remember, Facebook is free to users,
but they have to create revenue, and this is one way they do it. This is
why we see certain ads in our timeline, between these quizzes and the types
of things we click "like" on. It's the downside of Facebook. However,
it's a way for me to keep in contact with my cousins who are all across the
USA and Canada. Nearly 50 of them. So, I guess I'll stay, just not do many
of those quizzes.

BTW, how are you liking the Instapot? I'm still on the fence about getting
one. Or, maybe I need the airfryer that uses little to no oil to make
fries and such. LOL.

<snipped a whole bunch of lines here because I just wanted to>

Kaye
Lu
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Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-pla
ce
bo
-effect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe
something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it
isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike
ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take
over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed
aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing
establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other
people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you
can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the
lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one
is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every
they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
Younlack of reading and comprehension gets in your way. To,think you are
the person that claimed to read between the line.
A test for something is either valid or invalid.
No real test allows you to pick different results if you didn't like the
real results.
The MBTI isn't really a test as such, more like a research activity
but test used for want of better word.
There is no right or wrong answers. Each type is as valid as another.
However, each type expresses itself differently and has different
preferences.
Post by Bob Officer
And again that statement by you ignore the recorded fact, people test
differently when retested. If the claim of a fixed personality were
true,
and the test results would have to be the same each time you took the
test.
And again there would be no need to pick a different result.
You see they admit the test is invalid.
As I said, if a person has one or more preferences that aren't very
distinct which border on the cusp of another, it is easy enough to
test differently on different occasions. So a person can express
strongly on a trait or weakly.
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But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Carole I don't have to pick a different type, and the type you picked
for
me is also invalid, because their own procedures tell you not to pick
the
result for someone else.
Well I did pick for somebody else, so get over it.
And until you pick for yourself I will continue to class you as an
non-rational ESTJ.
And every time you tell us the results of the test you took for Bob you are
telling us that it is YOU who tested out to be THE NON-RATIONAL ESTJ.
That's seems to be a fact she can not grasp.
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Did you look up the term "psychological projection" yet?
That's you.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only
you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different
type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Carole I didn't take the test and get the results you claim, you took
the
test.
"When you receive your results" means what?since you took the test,
those
are your results, not mine.
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Post by Bob Officer
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti
-t
he
-fad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you?re an MBTI fan, you might say it?s typical of an INTJ to
turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it?s hard to argue
with
the idea that if we?re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and
not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar
scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent
scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows
?that
as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality
type
when tested again,? writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of
Personality
Testing, ?and the sixteen distinctive types described by the
Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.? In a recent article, Roman
Krznaric
adds that ?if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.?"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of
the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists
call
emotional stability versus reactivity?the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the
most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought,
feeling,
and action, so it?s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I?m an organizer and a
planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics?together, they form a personality
trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae
and
Paul Costa sum it up, ?the MBTI does not give comprehensive
information
on
the four domains it does sample.?"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is
not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
1st the MBTI and personality testing was not a theory, it was never
theory,
it was an assumption. It is now called a falsified assumption.
And Carole, how can you claim it works for so many when in fact it fails
every test for validity.
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different
sources.
Not really. Some tests have outcomes that are inconclusive and the
criteria has to be redefined and done again.
Post by Bob Officer
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture.
That works ok for broken leg testing, but not all diagnosing is as
simple as broken bones. It can depend on what is being tested, the
skill of the tester and the criteria used to test something.
Post by Bob Officer
In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar
scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent
scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability."
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Post by Bob Officer
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality
type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and
people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Funny I didn't take the test, and I didn't answer the questions, the
result
are from your own answers, not mine.
You're one of the more common types bob.
ESTJ represents something like 14% of the population and
characteristics easy to identify. This is in fact the bully type that
rides roughshod over some of the other types, often using appeal of
numbers "most people" agree with something. ie popularity or numbers.
Remember bob, consensus isn't scientific. It only takes one out of
millions if the answer is right, its right. Consensus or popularity
doesn't count.
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What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way
you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are
willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
Altie...
And you're still STUPid
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that
you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate
what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no
matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you
even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked
up
to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Not really bob. Popularity is over-rated -- it means having to go
along with others regardless, of having to fit in when you don't want
to etc.
In other words, she has no friends at all.
The MBTI isn't really a test at all. There is no data and never was any to
substantiate the claims. It because a fad or cult almost overnight. The
resistance is huge, because people want to have labels or bins for
everyone. They also need a reason to avoid the responsibility for their own
actions. Everything from devil made me do it, to I was born this way, the
harsh reality that the initial Myers-Briggs work never had any data to base
the original assumption upon.
The fact is so many people have been directly and indirectly harm by the
use or abuse of this nonsense sooner or later a large suit will come about
and make a few lawyers very rich. People have been harmed by denial of jobs
schooling promotion for over 40 years. We are now in the second and third
generation of people that have been harmed.
Myers-Briggs company and successors have made large profits sell these
personality reading. Astrologers used the same sort of ruse for ages to
scam the public. These companies should be be treated the same way.
Something to think about. Do you ever play those little tests they have on FB
all the time? Just little supposed fun tests that on the face of it seem to
be challenging us to see if we are smarter then our friend who already took
that test (or played the game) You answer some questions and they will
determine where you should be living or a history test like the one I saw the
other day on famous women. There are so many of those tests that I am
wondering how Facebook is profiting? The one definite the test writer or
sponsor gets out of it in most cases is an email address but I am wondering
if this is another way of profiling us?
Those little quizzes seem innocuous enough, but they really aren't just
looking at your answers. The ones I have seen request access to your
profile: your friends list, your likes and what type of groups you may
belong to, what you click on as likes. They are harvesting all kinds of
information for marketing purposes. Remember, Facebook is free to users,
but they have to create revenue, and this is one way they do it. This is
why we see certain ads in our timeline, between these quizzes and the types
of things we click "like" on. It's the downside of Facebook. However,
it's a way for me to keep in contact with my cousins who are all across the
USA and Canada. Nearly 50 of them. So, I guess I'll stay, just not do many
of those quizzes.
I had forgotten that some of those quiz sites request much more than email
addresses because I usually leave the site when the email request comes. I
allow no one to access to anything. As to likes I try to only click on
personal stuff posted by my friends. One thing they do is send me post from
some organization I never signed up for and now I am getting ads in with all
the other posts. Those I close down and note that I don’t want to see
anything from that group in the future. I like FB for the same reason as you.
My family and friends are all over the country and it is so nice seeing
almost daily photographs of my great grandchildren. I never click on any of
the ads. In fact, I don’t even see them anymore.

I just received an email from twitter about one of the local police
departments finding of a lost dog. As I said, I rarely go on Twitter but I do
pass on information from the county animal shelter about missing pets as they
show up on FB. Now, how do you suppose Twitter got that info?
Post by kaye
BTW, how are you liking the Instapot? I'm still on the fence about getting
one. Or, maybe I need the airfryer that uses little to no oil to make
fries and such. LOL.
So far I am very happy with this new toy. All three dishes I made so far were
very good. It does not save me any time though because there is only me to
cook for and steaming my vegetables in the microwave and broiling my meat in
the oven works fine and is faster but it would be a boon to larger families.
I do love one pot meals, casseroles and pots of soup and stew so I will be
using this new pot plenty and freezing future meals for myself. I have been
reading comments on FB from owners of thethe Instant Pot and the Air fryer.
It sounds very interesting.
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<snipped a whole bunch of lines here because I just wanted to>
LOL
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Kaye
Lu
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-e
ffect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
The result of Carole’s baking ingredient cocktail, bull shit.
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Post by Bob Officer
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
He also hasn’t published the results of the test, IF he ever took it.
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Post by Bob Officer
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-f
ad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
Post by Bob Officer
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Post by Bob Officer
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
Post by Bob Officer
Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Post by Bob Officer
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
Post by Bob Officer
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-f
ake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
Post by Bob Officer
But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
Post by Bob Officer
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way. Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Whoopee bob.
Bob Officer
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-e
ffect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people, you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can not
and should not take the test or project what other people's personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals, procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
The result of Carole’s baking ingredient cocktail, bull shit.
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That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
He also hasn’t published the results of the test, IF he ever took it.
Back in the mid 1980s the company I worked for thought the MBTI would be a
good way to screen employees and future employees. After some people were
transferred around and some promotions denied and some people discriminated
against,our union took the company to court. The union won and judge
ordered the people to be restored to former positions, and gave the people
denied promotion a monetary judgement ordered them to be made whole and
fined the company over 1,000,000 dollars including court costs. Hiring,
promotions and such had to be done by qualifications and merit alone.


I guess Carole doesn't understand the meaning of some words. She missed the
words "only you".
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Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-f
ad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
Post by Bob Officer
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Post by Bob Officer
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
Post by Bob Officer
The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
Post by Bob Officer
If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-f
ake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
Post by Bob Officer
That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
Post by Bob Officer
So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way. Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
Post by Bob Officer
And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Whoopee bob.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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Globalist scientific rationalisations deleted.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/23/health/researchers-debunk-placebo-e
ffect-saying-its-only-a-myth.html
Researchers Debunk Placebo Effect, Saying It's Only a Myth
The problem with people like you bob, is that you believe something
if
its supported by the establishment, and disbelieve it if it isn't.
This makes you an establishment pawn iow an ESTJ -- I dislike ESTJs
because there are so bloody many of them and they tend to take over
and dictate what is and what isn't true.
Any people who have legitimate queries or problems get pushed aside
and told what is true and what isn't based on the fact it is
establishment principle.
Bob, just dictating establishment principles or citing establishment
sources doesn't make something true.
Every time you project your own psychological faults on other people,
you
loose. Part of the literature on the Myers Briggs page state you can
not
and should not take the test or project what other people's
personalities
are.
This holds true most of the time bob.
Tell me where on the Myers-Briggs web pages or in its manuals,
procedures
or policies, states that?
You have no comprehension skills bob.
I do understand you. It is you that claims to read between the lines.
Myers-Briggs on their web page admits e test is bullshit.
Rubbish.
No it is not rubbish. It is the truth.
. Do you need it cited once more? It is plain language, Carole. If one is
not happy with the results of the test, one is free to pick what every they
want.
That simply means that if a person is unhappy with the results
[because they know what resonates with their own insights into
themselves] they are free to pick another type.
But bob, you haven't picked another type, and your type is pretty
common and easy enough to recognise. You are the archetype brown-noser
to those in authority and never question the system.
Post by Bob Officer
That means the test and categorization is of no value. It is totally
bullshit.
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/
"When you receive your MBTI profile, you might not agree with it. Only you
can decide which personality type fits you best, and there are
circumstances that explain why you may decide to choose a different type
than your MBTI results. "
But bob, you haven't picked any other type as being more you than ESTJ
and since people here know you well enough, it is easy to see how you
fit the ESTJ model. If you think you are another type then tell us and
explain why.
Post by Bob Officer
Here is a real experts opinion
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-f
ad-won-t-die
<Cite>
"Now, if you’re an MBTI fan, you might say it’s typical of an INTJ to turn
to science. Touche. But regardless of your type, it’s hard to argue with
the idea that if we’re going to divide people into categories, those
categories ought to be meaningful. In social science, we use four
standards: are the categories reliable, valid, independent, and
comprehensive? For the MBTI, the evidence says not very, no, no, and not
really."
"A test is reliable if it produces the same results from different sources.
If you think your leg is broken, you can be more confident when two
different radiologists diagnose a fracture. In personality testing,
reliability means getting consistent results over time, or similar scores
when rated by multiple people who know me well. As my inconsistent scores
foreshadowed, the MBTI does poorly on reliability. Research shows “that as
many as three-quarters of test takers achieve a different personality type
when tested again,” writes Annie Murphy Paul in The Cult of Personality
Testing, “and the sixteen distinctive types described by the Myers-Briggs
have no scientific basis whatsoever.” In a recent article, Roman Krznaric
adds that “if you retake the test after only a five-week gap, there's
around a 50% chance that you will fall into a different personality
category.”"
"A comprehensive test assesses the major categories that exist. One of the
key elements missing from the MBTI is what personality psychologists call
emotional stability versus reactivity—the tendency to stay calm and
collected under stress or pressure. This turns out to be one of the most
important predictors of individual and group patterns of thought, feeling,
and action, so it’s an unfortunate oversight. As another example, the
judging-perceiving scale captures whether I’m an organizer and a planner,
but overlooks the industriousness and achievement drive that tend to
accompany these characteristics—together, they form a personality trait
called conscientiousness. As personality psychologists Robert McCrae and
Paul Costa sum it up, “the MBTI does not give comprehensive information on
the four domains it does sample.”"
</cite>
Do I need to continue. The experts on human psyche tell us the MBTI is not
a meaningful or accurate assessment of anyone's personality
Bob, there will always be detractors of every theory. eg despite the
commonly accepted theory the world is round, there are still people
who believe in a flat earth. Any theory has detractors. This means
nothing. The fact that MBTI works for so many means it is as valid as
any theory.
Post by Bob Officer
More over what you have done in attempting to assign me a personality type
is project your own personality with all it flaws on the world and people
around you. That is just your own bias and emotions, not anyone else's
personality.
Rationalisation bob.
Post by Bob Officer
What you have could be considered a CLASSICAL CASE of PSYCHOLOGICAL
PROJECTION.
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I was agreeing with what you said, but qualified it due to the way you
treat others.
I only treat you Carole that way. why? Because you, Carole are willful
ignorant to the point you are STUPID.
Its all relative bob - you are more stupid than alties in ways that
matter within mha.
The only Artie here is you Carole. And you are as stupid as they come.
Sorry, don't know Artie.
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But your case is exceptional circumstances due to the fact that you
continually ridicule anything that is alternative, and dictate what
people should believe.
Carole that is just your unqualified opinion.
You make yourself fair game by the way you treat others.
Others Carole? Who do you believe you are fooling?
You make yourself stupid by the way you suck up to allopaths no matter
how inane their comments, and ridicule alternative.
You are the suck up, Carole. Are you upset Tim Bolen doesn't like you even
when you suck up to him?
The Frenchman that claims he had his gold mine was stolen? You sucked up to
him and he still ignored you.
Whatever bob.
Why do you base your thinking on whether people like you or not?
This is one of the failings of the irrational.
They go by popular opinion, rather than truth.
Truth should be the ruling factor, not whether something is popular or
likeable.
Get rid of likeable-ness and just discuss on whether something is true
or not. Likeable-ness gets in the road of truth and then it becomes an
argument of whether something is true because it is likeable, or
popular. This is where you are at and frankly it is sickening.
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I do not dictate what people should believe, I simply point out when
their
beliefs are shown to be other than true, or their beliefs are
inconsistent,
or not logical, or unsupported by data and experiments.
You push your opinions onto others.
I state facts. Not opinions.
Bob, you don't even understand the meaning of the words "fact" or
"opinion".
I do and it is you that do not.
No you don't bob.
You are an irrational type who confuses likeable-ness and popularity
with truth. You allow emotion to dictate truth.
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Fact: 1/3 to one half of people taking the MBTI a second time will get
different results.
This is due to the fact that some people are very close on some
qualities, one time they might go one way and another time another
way. This is not important. Even if they were slightly one way or
slightly another, on a day-to-day basis they might veer one way or
another depending on circumstances.
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The opinion of what that fact means is the large percentage of people,which
get different results on second and third and all subsequent testing
invalidates the test in total. That is opinion held by experts in the
field. Expert's opinions which the US Courts used to detriment that jobs,
promotions and scholarships and school admissions can not be determined by
the result of any personality typing test, because said test are not valid.
I don't think that people would get wildly different results on
subsequent testings. Maybe young people who were still trying to "find
themselves" and trying on different personalities to see what fits,
but probably not.
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Your views are mistaken as you only take into account current doctored
mainstream science, which has been deliberately dumbed down for the
masses.
And you take into account I found BULLSHIT, NONSENSE and SUPERSTITION. You
lack any critical thinking skills what so every. Even worse you constantly
repeat lies without any fact checking on your part.
As I said before bob, you don't understand the meaning of the word
"fact" or "propaganda" or "logic". You are a non-rational person bob.
Fact the speculation by Jung about fixed personalities at birth was just
that, mere speculation. The body of evidence shows that personality is not
a fixed quality at any time during a person's life. There was no science
behind the MBTI. And there is a large body of evidence which indicates the
MBTI isn't valid at all.
Sure, people can work on their personalities and change them to a
certain extent. MBTI allows for this, talking about the weaknesses and
strengths of the various types, and to build on the strengths not the
weaknesses. Doesn't mean there aren't basic inherent types.
You're grasping at straws bob.
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Most what what is alternative is just that, unsupported claims, and
often
are outright lies, or scam to harm people.
Mainstream is mostly lies bob.
Pharmaceutical science is crap yet it is pushed forward as the only
game in town. This just isn't true.
You have it backwards, or are you offering to be a test subject for a
turmeric IV drip?
Recently a California woman was killed by a naturopath with turmeric.
Bob, many people are killed daily by allopathic practitioners.
Actually not anywhere near the rate of naturopaths.
Not if you don't count over-prescription of pharmaceutical drugs, not
curing that which is really curable but which modern science denies is
curable - eg many cancers, asthama, arthritis etc.
Modern science is run by criminal organisation which denies real cures
and substitutes with chemicals that merely suppress symptoms, doesn't
cure, but what the hell, its profitable so let nobody question it, and
that's why the system loves the ESTJ because they don't question, just
support a corrupt system.
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If one person dies at the hand of a naturopath, it is like a several
million people that same day being kill by evidence based medicine.
Sorry you just do not grasp the significance of the numbers and ratios.
Sorry, but you should look in the mirror, ...oh but wait that wouldn't
do any good since you are not one of the rational types and depend
more on popularity than logic.
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Thanks heavens for Trump.
I can't wait until he drains the pharmaceutical swamp.
You must not be ? my attention, he is appointing people,from big banking
and big industry and big pharma left and right.
Hmmm ... if you are going to appoint experts in their field, you have
to draw from people who have worked high up in that field.
That's one point.
I don't know what Trump is doing with his defence strategy. Apparently
Trump has made some good moves with domestic things, according to Alex
Jones. Maybe there's method in his madness, or maybe he's been
influenced by warmongers.
Alex Jones? This Alex Jones?
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/alex-jones-performance-act-lawyer-admits-f
ake-court/
"Most rational people know that Alex Jones is a carnival barker who should
never once be taken seriously. With even just the tiniest amount of
digging, it's not that difficult to figure out that his entire schtick is
ginning up conspiracy theories for the express purpose of selling Alex
Jones brand boner tonics to his batshit audience of impotent nimrods who
see scary feminists, "gun-grabbing" liberals, and black helicopters waiting
around every corner. That these morons haven't sniffed out the colossal
hypocrisy of Jones hopping right into bed with Donald Trump - who's
essentially letting the police and military (a.k.a. the government) do
whatever the hell they want, whenever they want - is only further proof
that they're dangerous idiots who shouldn't be allowed to have anything
sharper than a spork let alone a goddamn gun.
Bob, you don't understand rational, stop trying to pretend that you
do. You understand appeal to authority and popularity.
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But, today, a considerable shoe was dropped when Alex Jones' lawyer
The Alex Jones who told his legions of "Infowars" listeners that bogus
stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about
Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington D.C. pizza
joint is really "a performance artist."
Bullshit bob. Alex Jones is a patriot trying to expose corruption but
its idiots like you who just don't get it.
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That's according to Jones' own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the
right-wing radio jock derides as "fake news."
"He's playing a character" and is nothing like his online persona, attorney
Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial
hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock's custody battle with ex-wife
Kelly Jones."
That's fake news bob.
There's a lot of fake news out there, most of the mainstream news is
fake / lies, made up to confuse and confound the public.
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So there you have it. Alex Jones admits he lies and panders to the
audience, make up stuff on his broadcasts.
And you somehow believe that windbag is honestly reporting anything?
Carole, you thought process is more damaged than anyone could imagine.
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It also invalidates itself by stating if you do not like the label
applied
to yourself by the test, you simply pick the label which you want.
Does it say that if you don't like one label to put down the whole
myer briggs type testing system is worthless?
No stats shows it is worthless as designed and used in the past, and
has no
real future except as entertainment for people.
I can understand why you take this view since you don't like being
called a pharmaceutical pawn and a slave to doctored science.
Sorry Carole I was the person challenging and pointing out how the study
you cited was doctored. No critical thinking skills on your part.
Bob, you no rational thinking skills -- just deference to mainstream
"expert" doctrine.
So back to the study you cited why was my criticisms wrong?
These were so called mainstream scientist using main stream methods. I just
pointed out their process had errors and while,the finding were
interesting, they lacked any sort validity.
There are lots of mainstream scientists and studies that are wrong or
reported wrong all for the sake of expediency of the corporate
globalist agenda.
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Pretty simple they admit the instrument has no value. It is worthless
and
becomes in parlor games for amusement only
You are a pawn bob, admit it.
No Carole, the pawn is you.
Not me bob.
I'm not the one who hangs on the words of "experts" and "reliable
sources".
You cited the poorly done study Carole, not me. Your experts were the
ones questioned,
not mine.
Whatever bob.
The study was for your interests. I have my own way of working things
out which don't depend on "studies", as most of them are doctored in
order to promote pharmaceutical drugs and ridicule alternative.
You don't have a way. You don't have knowledge. And you certainly do not
understand what you have read, Carole. This entire exchange shows you
really don't have a grasp on the meaning of what you have read, and can not
correctly apply what you have read to the world around you.
My own rational way. Sorry bob but as much as you dislike it I am one
of the rational types and work things out my way, what adds up, what
makes sense. If a study told you that black was white, you'd go along
with it as long as the study was shown to have no flaws. I simply say
that black is black and white is white.
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Your personality type is STUPid.
Oh, that's real scientific !!
Since you don’t believe in or know anything about science, he was using
words that you would understand.
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The studies have all been done that various nutrients have therapeutic
effects. When is the last time your mainstream quack recommended a
nutrient for any condition?
Every day.
I don't think so bob.
If mainstream recommended nutrients over pharmaceutical drugs, they
would be de-registered.
No they are not., this is more nonsense you just made up? Many doctors tout
and suggest nutritional supplements. My own GP suggested I take a fish oil
capsule a day until he saw my diet. Then he dropped the suggestion. Do you
know why? My HDL/LDL ratio is nearly perfect, and my total cholesterol
level is less than 100.
Maybe there is a growing trend for doctors to hold the appearance of
supporting nutrients but I seriously doubt that any doctor would
disregard the pharmaceutical drugs and recommend nutrients in place of
them.
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And now I get to spend more time outside in the sun since I retired, I
don't even need to take vitamin D.
Whoopee bob.
Lu
2017-03-15 00:47:47 UTC
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
This means his mind style is one that is happiest obeying orders from
the system. He's not a thinker, or one who looks for cause and effect,
or wants to know the reason "why".
He is a person who likes to do the bidding of the establishment, which
he thinks is creating order.
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESTJ.html
The Guardian
Portrait of an ESTJ - Extraverted Sensing Thinking Judging
(Extraverted Thinking with Introverted Sensing)
"They live in the present, with their eye constantly scanning their
personal environment to make sure that everything is running smoothly
and systematically. **They honor traditions and laws, and have a clear
set of standards and beliefs. They expect the same of others, and have
no patience or understanding of individuals who do not value these
systems. [So if the system if broke, an ESTJ just goes along with it
because they don't question the system. They believe the system is
correct and anybody who questions it is wrong.]]
ESTJs are take-charge people. They have such a clear vision of the way
that things should be, that they naturally step into leadership roles.
They are self-confident and aggressive. They are extremely talented at
devising systems and plans for action, and at being able to see what
steps need to be taken to complete a specific task. They can sometimes
be very demanding and critical, because they have such strongly held
beliefs, and are likely to express themselves without reserve if they
feel someone isn't meeting their standards. But at least their
expressions can be taken at face-value, because the ESTJ is extremely
straight-forward and honest. [But also can be very stupid]
The ESTJ is usually a model citizen, and pillar of the community. He
or she takes their commitments seriously, and follows their own
standards of "good citizenship" to the letter. ESTJ enjoys interacting
with people, and likes to have fun. ESTJs can be very boisterous and
fun at social events, especially activities which are focused on the
family, community, or work.
When bogged down by stress, an ESTJ often feels isolated from others.
They feel as if they are misunderstood and undervalued, and that their
efforts are taken for granted. Although normally the ESTJ is very
verbal and doesn't have any problem expressing themself, when under
stress they have a hard time putting their feelings into words and
communicating them to others. [Sometimes they get their grammar all
wrong and mispell words when under pressure from lying]
ESTJs value security and social order above all else, and feel
obligated to do all that they can to enhance and promote these goals.
They will mow the lawn, vote, join the PTA, attend home owners
association meetings, and generally do anything that they can to
promote personal and social security. [So good but yet so misguided]
The ESTJ puts forth a lot of effort in almost everything that they do.
They will do everything that they think should be done in their job,
marriage, and community with a good amount of energy. He or she is
conscientious, practical, realistic, and dependable. While the ESTJ
will dutifully do everything that is important to work towards a
particular cause or goal, they might not naturally see or value the
importance of goals which are outside of their practical scope.
However, if the ESTJ is able to see the relevance of such goals to
practical concerns, you can bet that they'll put every effort into
understanding them and incorporating them into their quest for clarity
and security. "
[ESTJs are wonderful people, except when they're leading others
astray. In their zeal to get everybody on board to do the right thing
they don't always see that they have in fact had their views shaped by
unscrupulous sources who are using them to push an ulterior agenda.]
Every myer briggs type has its weakness.
Bob's is being an establishment pawn.
But Bob Officer is an ESTJ
YOU TOOK THAT TEST SO YOU OWN THE RESULTS.
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Don't deny it bob.
You're the perfect establishment pawn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. ***They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers
in rules and procedures. ESTJs are outgoing and do not hesitate to
communicate their opinions and expectations to others."
See? ...Bob is defender of the status quo ...not a questioner ...a
defender.
So if the system is totally stuffed he will go on defending its rules
and procedures for the sake of smooth running of society.
When the system is broke or hopelessly corrupt, you don't go on
defending it ...you question it and agitate for change.
Conclusion: Bob is a loser.
He doesn't even understand the difference or sameness of words
"opinion" and "belief".
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2017-03-11 04:17:55 UTC
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
Actually, the findings of a Briggs Myer test are of the person who took the
test and that was you. Bob did not take that test you claim shows he is a
Briggs Myer ESTJ. YOU took that test and answered the questions in a way you
imagined Bob would answer them but Bob, is actually a stranger to you, so all
your answers were wishful thinking. In any case, the answers you gave for Bob
were YOURS, not his and that makes those results YOURS. YOU are the Briggs
Myer ESTJ
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
Actually, the findings of a Briggs Myer test are of the person who took the
test and that was you. Bob did not take that test you claim shows he is a
Briggs Myer ESTJ. YOU took that test and answered the questions in a way you
imagined Bob would answer them but Bob, is actually a stranger to you, so all
your answers were wishful thinking. In any case, the answers you gave for Bob
were YOURS, not his and that makes those results YOURS. YOU are the Briggs
Myer ESTJ
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
Actually, the findings of a Briggs Myer test are of the person who took the
test and that was you. Bob did not take that test you claim shows he is a
Briggs Myer ESTJ. YOU took that test and answered the questions in a way you
imagined Bob would answer them but Bob, is actually a stranger to you, so all
your answers were wishful thinking. In any case, the answers you gave for Bob
were YOURS, not his and that makes those results YOURS. YOU are the Briggs
Myer ESTJ
That is why her claim is considered a classical case psychological
projection. That she finds those traits unwanted speaks more about her
state of mind than my own state.

It brings up the old saw of when you point one finger at others you point
three finger back out yourself.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-12 23:14:29 UTC
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Bob Officer is a myer briggs type ESTJ
You took that test so YOU ARE THE ESTJ.
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