why naturopathy is a scam.

[Bob Officer]

This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.

https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/

The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.


"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.

For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.

I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.

I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.

The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.

Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

[Blind Freddie]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

Big pharma doesn't want people to know about alternatives and so runs
them down, tries to get alternative practitioners regulated to their
standards in order to weaken their abilities and make alternatives as
complimentary, rather than "instead-of" remedies.

However big pharma is a very deceptive industry, built on lies and
manipulation.

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

--
Blind Freddie
"None so blind as those who will not see"

7 Massive Misconceptions Many Never Question
http://tinyurl.com/jg9jay3

A brief history of FDA raids against providers of natural health
products
https://thebovine.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/a-brief-history-of-fda-raids-against-providers-of-natural-health-products/

Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers, vitamin
shops and supplement companies
http://www.naturalnews.com/021791.html

The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
http://tinyurl.com/zgmi


DDT
"A former high official at the NSA (National Security Agency) told me
about a protocol informally dubbed DDT - that old poisonous chemical
long-banned in much of the world. In this application, it stands for
Decoy, Distract and Trash - which is what sophisticated intelligence
operatives use to set up some person or group, take them off the trail
of something real and important, and trash the person or the
subject." -- Stephen Greer.


Suppression of dissent in science
Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7
1999
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm


Pan Pharmaceuticals
The founder of Pan Pharmaceuticals, the company which had its licence
withdrawn by the Therapeutic Goods Administration in 2003, has
received a record $50 million payout from the Federal Government.
- Founder 'blameless'
- 400 jobs lost
- Public inquiry wanted
Jim Selim had sued the TGA for compensation for ruining his business,
claiming public servants had acted outside their power and with
vengeance when withdrawing the licence after concerns over certain
products and manufacturing processes.
TGA shareholders lost $350 million, almost 400 people lost their jobs,
and Pan's customers lost hundreds of millions of dollars in business,
Mr Selim's lawyer Andrew Thorpe said outside the court today.
http://tinyurl.com/p8nkyco


Cover Stories invented to engineer public opinions
"Many people have been so concerned about what has been happening to
our Government that they have dedicated themselves to investigating
and exposing its evils. Unfortunately, a number of these writers have
been dupes of those cleverer than they or with sinister reasons for
concealing knowledge. They have written what they thought was the
truth, only to find out (if they ever did find out) that they had been
fed a lot of contrived cover stories and just plain hogwash. In this
book I have taken extracts from some of this writing and, line by
line, have shown how it has been manipulated to give a semblance of
truth while at the same time being contrived and false. " -- The
Secret Team, Fletcher L. Prouty,
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/USO/appA.html 


The FDA is Running an Extortion Racket
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/11/13/the-fda-is-running-an-extortion-racket.aspx
"The FDA has been targeting supplement makers for some time, claiming
it’s all in the interest of public safety. But it doesn’t take much
investigation to realize what’s really going on: the FDA isn’t
interested in protecting you -- they’re interested in protecting the
pharmaceutical industry."


NCI's revolving door with the cancer industry
http://www.cancerdefeated.com/newsletters/How-Conspiracy-and-Fraud-Sabotage-the-War-on-Cancer.html

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6



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Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

Nope it may treat it does not cure it, cessation of treatment cause the
condition to return or flare.
The active ingredient is not the fermented papaya skins, but the petroleum
jelly. And many of the suggest treatments such as placing up in your nose
is unhealthy.

Sorry Carole papaya jelly was used long ago and doesn't work as well as
some of the newer modern medications which address the issue at the cause.
And there is still no cure.

The blinded tests where made using papaya skin ointment and straight
petroleum jelly. There was no difference in the responses.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

[Blind Freddie]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.

There are a lot of different things a person can try but mainstream
medicine should be fairly low down on the list.
Personally I wouldn't touch mainstream medicine unless I was in real
distress and didn't know anything else that worked, but then so often
mainstream hasn't got any answers either. So its best to do your own
research, try different things and think about it yourself rather than
rely on "experts and reliable sources".

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to ?walk
the walk? of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.

This sounds like an article written to defame naturaphy.
Usually if its a real article written by a real person, you get some
more specific information, not so much generalities.
It sounds cut and paste type of information.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn?t happen because I haven?t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

Nope it may treat it does not cure it, cessation of treatment cause the
condition to return or flare.
The active ingredient is not the fermented papaya skins, but the petroleum
jelly. And many of the suggest treatments such as placing up in your nose
is unhealthy.

No bob, with alternative it can treat and cure at the same time.
Long term use of some alternative treatments can eventually cure the
condition and I am thinking about asthma and housedust allergies which
I used to have. 5 years of treatment with alternatives led to a cure.
Mainstream will never cure but alternative will.

I've tried detoxes myself and haven't gotten anything from them.
A short detox of fruit and veg is ok -- say, a day or two but that's
about it. People need protein and these days I'm on the B12 bandwagon
which says that a lot of vegetarian type diets are low in b12 which
can lead to problems.

However, there are alternative treatments and/or cures for all sorts
of things. I'd try homeopathy and/or herbs.

Post by Bob Officer
Sorry Carole papaya jelly was used long ago and doesn't work as well as
some of the newer modern medications which address the issue at the cause.
And there is still no cure.

I won't take your word for that bob.

Post by Bob Officer
The blinded tests where made using papaya skin ointment and straight
petroleum jelly. There was no difference in the responses.

Another engineered study like the homeopathy ones.
You need to understand that big pharma has a lot at stake and has a
lot of resources it can draw on to get the outcomes it wants.
Same as the warmongering industry, always pushing for takeover of
other countries "for the sake of democracy" of course.
They just push and push to make their case for more war and the need
to eliminate some sovereign ruler. When they should be at home looking
after their own people, but since there is so much money in war they
persist since they are psychopaths.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.

I've never gotten anything from them but only went to them once or
twice. Tend to work things out for myself.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated ?natural? products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.

Naturapthy isn't alone in wasting time and money -- mainstream also
knows how to do with quite well, since they have no real cures and
delude the patient into thinking there are no cures.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn?t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

You got to remember that naturapaths are regulated more and more by
mainstream. Any really useful concepts are no doubt weeded out to get
by the regulation process which leaves just the more useless concepts,
so they don't end up becoming competition for mainstream, just
complementary not real competition.


--
Blind Freddie
"None so blind as those who will not see"

7 Massive Misconceptions Many Never Question
http://tinyurl.com/jg9jay3

A brief history of FDA raids against providers of natural health
products
https://thebovine.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/a-brief-history-of-fda-raids-against-providers-of-natural-health-products/

Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers, vitamin
shops and supplement companies
http://www.naturalnews.com/021791.html

The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry
http://tinyurl.com/zgmi


DDT
"A former high official at the NSA (National Security Agency) told me
about a protocol informally dubbed DDT - that old poisonous chemical
long-banned in much of the world. In this application, it stands for
Decoy, Distract and Trash - which is what sophisticated intelligence
operatives use to set up some person or group, take them off the trail
of something real and important, and trash the person or the
subject." -- Stephen Greer.


Suppression of dissent in science
Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7
1999
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm



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Post by Blind Freddie
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.

There are a lot of different things a person can try but mainstream
medicine should be fairly low down on the list.
Personally I wouldn't touch mainstream medicine unless I was in real
distress and didn't know anything else that worked, but then so often
mainstream hasn't got any answers either. So its best to do your own
research, try different things and think about it yourself rather than
rely on "experts and reliable sources".

See here is how it works. You and other fall for the line try this "scam"
treatment 1st. Then when the scam fails the distress is greater. Then when
you realize you waited too long for real medicine to work, you blame the
fail not on the delay and waiting for the nonsense treatment to work, you
blame mainstream medicine

Your hollow words up above, just expose you for the simple mindedness you
show every time you post nonsense and carelessness in thought and words.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to ?walk
the walk? of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.

This sounds like an article written to defame naturaphy.

Well if you went to the link, you would find the person that wrote it
actually was a practicing naturopath at one time. Then she went back to
school and became a real doctor. The educational and skill level between a
real doctor and a naturopath is like the difference between a child's wagon
and turbo charge diesel truck.

Post by Blind Freddie
Usually if its a real article written by a real person, you get some
more specific information, not so much generalities.
It sounds cut and paste type of information.

Sadly Carole, we can see you actually didn't go and read the article or
check out the qualifications of the author. Your willful ignorance is
showing.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn?t happen because I haven?t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

Nope it may treat it does not cure it, cessation of treatment cause the
condition to return or flare.
The active ingredient is not the fermented papaya skins, but the petroleum
jelly. And many of the suggest treatments such as placing up in your nose
is unhealthy.

No bob, with alternative it can treat and cure at the same time.

Alternative. Doesn't treat nor cure. Somehow what was called consumer fraud
and scams grew into alternative.

Post by Blind Freddie
Long term use of some alternative treatments can eventually cure the
condition and I am thinking about asthma and housedust allergies which
I used to have. 5 years of treatment with alternatives led to a cure.
Mainstream will never cure but alternative will.

You cured nothing. Your self diagnosed condition might have been all
psychosomatic in nature.
Describe just how your allergy and asthma were diagnosed. Scratch Test or
RAS testing?

And allergies have been know to fad naturally over time.
Sorry Carole the antigens which cause the reactions to allergens do
disappear after time in many cases. Especially if the exposed to the
allergen drops.

Post by Blind Freddie
I've tried detoxes myself and haven't gotten anything from them.
A short detox of fruit and veg is ok -- say, a day or two but that's
about it. People need protein and these days I'm on the B12 bandwagon
which says that a lot of vegetarian type diets are low in b12 which
can lead to problems.

Simply ask yourself what is the name of to so-call toxin anyone claims they
are removing? If they can't name it, it's an automatic scam.

Following a "bandwagon" is simply following a fad, brainless without
thinking. Most people do not need vitamins. If you needed a vitamin it
would show on a blood test.

Post by Blind Freddie
However, there are alternative treatments and/or cures for all sorts
of things. I'd try homeopathy and/or herbs.

Post by Bob Officer
Sorry Carole papaya jelly was used long ago and doesn't work as well as
some of the newer modern medications which address the issue at the cause.
And there is still no cure.

I won't take your word for that bob.

Really? Then read the medical journals.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
The blinded tests where made using papaya skin ointment and straight
petroleum jelly. There was no difference in the responses.

Another engineered study like the homeopathy ones.
You need to understand that big pharma has a lot at stake and has a
lot of resources it can draw on to get the outcomes it wants.
Same as the warmongering industry, always pushing for takeover of
other countries "for the sake of democracy" of course.
They just push and push to make their case for more war and the need
to eliminate some sovereign ruler. When they should be at home looking
after their own people, but since there is so much money in war they
persist since they are psychopaths.

Sorry the test was blinded and random. The claimed effectiveness is there.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.

I've never gotten anything from them but only went to them once or
twice. Tend to work things out for myself.

Do you wear a sign which says: idiot at work?

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated ?natural? products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.

Naturapthy isn't alone in wasting time and money -- mainstream also
knows how to do with quite well, since they have no real cures and
delude the patient into thinking there are no cures.

Often there was treatments which can effect a cure. How's your foot fungus?
Still playing with your kitchen colon bomb?

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn?t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

You got to remember that naturapaths are regulated more and more by
mainstream. Any really useful concepts are no doubt weeded out to get
by the regulation process which leaves just the more useless concepts,
so they don't end up becoming competition for mainstream, just
complementary not real competition.

Carole that was written by a former naturopath. She is now a real doctor.

Post by Blind Freddie
--

Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stephen Fry on Dunning Kruger examples:
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ

[kaye]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 02:48:25 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.

There are a lot of different things a person can try but mainstream
medicine should be fairly low down on the list.
Personally I wouldn't touch mainstream medicine unless I was in real
distress and didn't know anything else that worked, but then so often
mainstream hasn't got any answers either. So its best to do your own
research, try different things and think about it yourself rather than
rely on "experts and reliable sources".

See here is how it works. You and other fall for the line try this "scam"
treatment 1st. Then when the scam fails the distress is greater. Then when
you realize you waited too long for real medicine to work, you blame the
fail not on the delay and waiting for the nonsense treatment to work, you
blame mainstream medicine
Your hollow words up above, just expose you for the simple mindedness you
show every time you post nonsense and carelessness in thought and words.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to ?walk
the walk? of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.

This sounds like an article written to defame naturaphy.

Well if you went to the link, you would find the person that wrote it
actually was a practicing naturopath at one time. Then she went back to
school and became a real doctor. The educational and skill level between a
real doctor and a naturopath is like the difference between a child's wagon
and turbo charge diesel truck.

Post by Blind Freddie
Usually if its a real article written by a real person, you get some
more specific information, not so much generalities.
It sounds cut and paste type of information.

Sadly Carole, we can see you actually didn't go and read the article or
check out the qualifications of the author. Your willful ignorance is
showing.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn?t happen because I haven?t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

Nope it may treat it does not cure it, cessation of treatment cause the
condition to return or flare.
The active ingredient is not the fermented papaya skins, but the petroleum
jelly. And many of the suggest treatments such as placing up in your nose
is unhealthy.

No bob, with alternative it can treat and cure at the same time.

Alternative. Doesn't treat nor cure. Somehow what was called consumer fraud
and scams grew into alternative.

Post by Blind Freddie
Long term use of some alternative treatments can eventually cure the
condition and I am thinking about asthma and housedust allergies which
I used to have. 5 years of treatment with alternatives led to a cure.
Mainstream will never cure but alternative will.

You cured nothing. Your self diagnosed condition might have been all
psychosomatic in nature.
Describe just how your allergy and asthma were diagnosed. Scratch Test or
RAS testing?
And allergies have been know to fad naturally over time.
Sorry Carole the antigens which cause the reactions to allergens do
disappear after time in many cases. Especially if the exposed to the
allergen drops.

Post by Blind Freddie
I've tried detoxes myself and haven't gotten anything from them.
A short detox of fruit and veg is ok -- say, a day or two but that's
about it. People need protein and these days I'm on the B12 bandwagon
which says that a lot of vegetarian type diets are low in b12 which
can lead to problems.

Simply ask yourself what is the name of to so-call toxin anyone claims they
are removing? If they can't name it, it's an automatic scam.
Following a "bandwagon" is simply following a fad, brainless without
thinking. Most people do not need vitamins. If you needed a vitamin it
would show on a blood test.

Well, now vitamin b12 is something "Big Pharmacy" manufactures and sells.
Real doctors even prescribe it sometimes. She doesn't realize she is
falling right in line with mainstream medicine. How about that Carole! You
using mainstream medicine without even knowing it! ROFLBO 😄

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie
However, there are alternative treatments and/or cures for all sorts
of things. I'd try homeopathy and/or herbs.

Post by Bob Officer
Sorry Carole papaya jelly was used long ago and doesn't work as well as
some of the newer modern medications which address the issue at the cause.
And there is still no cure.

I won't take your word for that bob.

Really? Then read the medical journals.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
The blinded tests where made using papaya skin ointment and straight
petroleum jelly. There was no difference in the responses.

Another engineered study like the homeopathy ones.
You need to understand that big pharma has a lot at stake and has a
lot of resources it can draw on to get the outcomes it wants.
Same as the warmongering industry, always pushing for takeover of
other countries "for the sake of democracy" of course.
They just push and push to make their case for more war and the need
to eliminate some sovereign ruler. When they should be at home looking
after their own people, but since there is so much money in war they
persist since they are psychopaths.

Sorry the test was blinded and random. The claimed effectiveness is there.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.

I've never gotten anything from them but only went to them once or
twice. Tend to work things out for myself.

Do you wear a sign which says: idiot at work?

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated ?natural? products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.

Naturapthy isn't alone in wasting time and money -- mainstream also
knows how to do with quite well, since they have no real cures and
delude the patient into thinking there are no cures.

Often there was treatments which can effect a cure. How's your foot fungus?
Still playing with your kitchen colon bomb?

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn?t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

You got to remember that naturapaths are regulated more and more by
mainstream. Any really useful concepts are no doubt weeded out to get
by the regulation process which leaves just the more useless concepts,
so they don't end up becoming competition for mainstream, just
complementary not real competition.

Carole that was written by a former naturopath. She is now a real doctor.

Post by Blind Freddie
--

Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
http://youtu.be/rW9R6jgE7SQ

[⊙＿⊙]

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

proxy
[prok-see]
noun, plural prox·ies.
the agency, function, or power of a person authorized to act as the deputy or substitute for another.
the person so authorized; substitute; agent.

Definition of proxy (continued)
a written authorization empowering another person to vote or act for the signer, as at a meeting of stockholders.
an ally or confederate who can be relied upon to speak or act in one's behalf.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/proxy

[Lu]

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.

That article was not written by Bob.

Post by Blind Freddie
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

'Just expensive Vaseline': Beloved cult beauty product Papaw Ointment called
out for containing just four per cent of the fruit - and NINETY-SIX PER CENT
petroleum jelly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3184675/Lucas-Papaw-Ointment-
labelled-expensive-Vaseline.html

Post by Blind Freddie
Big pharma doesn't want people to know about alternatives and so runs
them down, tries to get alternative practitioners regulated to their
standards in order to weaken their abilities and make alternatives as
complimentary, rather than "instead-of" remedies.

In all your rantings I have never gotten the feeling that you even know what
the word “alternative” means?

If the pharmaceutical industry does not want people to know about alternative
products to theirs why would they ever mention them? Wouldn’t mentioning
them, as you say,in
their effort to run them down give the consumer the idea that there might be
something else they can use? Just mentioning a remedy, whether negatively or
positively, brings that product to the customers mind. Aside from that you
always claim that the Pharmaceutical always runs down alternatives. I would
like to see just one example of that.

Post by Blind Freddie
However big pharma is a very deceptive industry, built on lies and
manipulation.

You forgot “products that work”.

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

[Bob Officer]

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.

That article was not written by Bob.

Do you think she even read it?

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

'Just expensive Vaseline': Beloved cult beauty product Papaw Ointment called
out for containing just four per cent of the fruit - and NINETY-SIX PER CENT
petroleum jelly
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3184675/Lucas-Papaw-Ointment-
labelled-expensive-Vaseline.html

Pawpaw is papaya, the ointment is made by fermenting the pulped skins of
the fruit. The fermented skins and then filtered. The fermented juice is
mixed with petroleum jell. The ointment consists of about 4% of this 6%
alcohol. The rest is petroleum jelly. The petroleum jelly stops any alcohol
from being absorb. It make s Perry scented and expensive petroleum jelly.
Petroleum jelly use is actually counter productive to treating psoriasis,
with or without the papaya alcohol addition.

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
Big pharma doesn't want people to know about alternatives and so runs
them down, tries to get alternative practitioners regulated to their
standards in order to weaken their abilities and make alternatives as
complimentary, rather than "instead-of" remedies.

In all your rantings I have never gotten the feeling that you even know what
the word “alternative” means?

It is like she calls her colon bomb homeopathy...
She really doesn't understand the terms she is trying to abuse.

Post by Lu
If the pharmaceutical industry does not want people to know about alternative
products to theirs why would they ever mention them? Wouldn’t mentioning
them, as you say,in
their effort to run them down give the consumer the idea that there might be
something else they can use? Just mentioning a remedy, whether negatively or
positively, brings that product to the customers mind. Aside from that you
always claim that the Pharmaceutical always runs down alternatives. I would
like to see just one example of that.

Post by Blind Freddie
However big pharma is a very deceptive industry, built on lies and
manipulation.

You forgot “products that work”.

Exactly.

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."

[Lu]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer
This is from a naturopath, which is no a real MD.
https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/the-right-detox/
The citation is from the end of the article. Britt Marie does a great job
of exposing just how naturopathy works from the inside.
"The emotional harm of detoxing
I recently had a flare-up of psoriasis after some time of being free of
plaques. I mentioned to a colleague that I wanted to get a little extra
sleep to help with stress. He suggested that I begin eating a Paleo Diet.
While well-meaning, this advice is not supported by evidence. And, it could
be emotionally dangerous.
For years, I bought into the idea that I could achieve perfect health by
controlling my diet and my immediate environment. When flares occurred, or
when I got sick, I blamed myself for not eating right or not trying hard
enough. Naturopathic students were told over and over in school to “walk
the walk” of our medicine. We needed to embody healthfulness. If we looked
ill, or were overweight, patients would not take us seriously.
I took this advice to heart. I wanted to exude well-being. I subjected
myself to numerous detoxes and naturopathic therapies in the name of
healing myself. When these therapies failed, as they do, I added more
treatments to my regimen. Instead of becoming healthy, though, I made
myself physically and emotionally sicker than I had ever been. I developed
an eating disorder. My periods stopped. My hair fell out. My auto-immune
symptoms worsened.
I have finally learned that I cannot change the fact that I have psoriasis.
My recent psoriasis outbreak likely has nothing to do with what I am or am
not eating. It has nothing do with the supplements I am not taking. And it
didn’t happen because I haven’t done a detox since I left Seattle in 2012.

No, that's not true bob.

That article was not written by Bob.

Do you think she even read it?

No.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
Mainstream says that psoriasis can't be cured, along with a lot of
other incurable conditions like asthma, allergies and arthritis.
However, there are some remedies like pawpaw ointment that cures
psoriasis.

'Just expensive Vaseline': Beloved cult beauty product Papaw Ointment called
out for containing just four per cent of the fruit - and NINETY-SIX PER CENT
petroleum jelly
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3184675/Lucas-Papaw-Ointment-
labelled-expensive-Vaseline.html

Pawpaw is papaya, the ointment is made by fermenting the pulped skins of
the fruit. The fermented skins and then filtered. The fermented juice is
mixed with petroleum jell. The ointment consists of about 4% of this 6%
alcohol. The rest is petroleum jelly. The petroleum jelly stops any alcohol
from being absorb. It make s Perry scented and expensive petroleum jelly.
Petroleum jelly use is actually counter productive to treating psoriasis,
with or without the papaya alcohol addition.

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie
Big pharma doesn't want people to know about alternatives and so runs
them down, tries to get alternative practitioners regulated to their
standards in order to weaken their abilities and make alternatives as
complimentary, rather than "instead-of" remedies.

In all your rantings I have never gotten the feeling that you even know what
the word “alternative” means?

It is like she calls her colon bomb homeopathy...
She really doesn't understand the terms she is trying to abuse.

Yes, Carole uses alternatives to the alternatives she is touting.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Lu
If the pharmaceutical industry does not want people to know about alternative
products to theirs why would they ever mention them? Wouldn’t mentioning
them, as you say,in
their effort to run them down give the consumer the idea that there might be
something else they can use? Just mentioning a remedy, whether negatively or
positively, brings that product to the customers mind. Aside from that you
always claim that the Pharmaceutical always runs down alternatives. I would
like to see just one example of that.

Post by Blind Freddie
However big pharma is a very deceptive industry, built on lies and
manipulation.

You forgot “products that work”.

Exactly.

Post by Lu

Post by Blind Freddie

Post by Bob Officer
It is deceptive to promote the notion that any measures beyond the basics
of wellness, i.e., sleeping enough, exercising regularly, managing stress,
and eating well-rounded meals, can dramatically alter the course of
complicated diseases. Naturopaths are selling lies.
The harm for patients is not just wasted money and time. Naturopaths bring
their patients emotional damage by endlessly treating health problems with
detoxes and other gimmicks. This harm builds on the inherent risk of using
the unregulated “natural” products that naturopaths believe are safe and
gentle medicine.
Detoxes do not empower patients or provide them with the tools to take
charge of their health. The detoxification fad depends on patient guilt. If
the patient doesn’t invest in completing the detox, it is her fault that
she is sick. If she does complete the detox, but still does not get better,
then the patient needs to do more detoxing."