Discussion:
Finally - New Study of Vaccinated Children vs. Unvaccinated Children
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2017-02-28 06:01:24 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:22:29 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:39:05 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
It's not a perfect study, but indicative of what has been suspected
http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html
There needs to be more and larger studies just to prove what many know
already.
I was vaccinated, my children were vaccinated, my granddaughter was
vaccinated, and so forth..... I am not about to turn against it because of
what "ageofautism" tells me....
But you aren't in the US. Your vaccination schedule is likely not the same
as ours. From what I gathered from a man on the radio, the problem we have
here is giving some of the vaccines at too early of an age, before the
immune system is fully developed. Another problem is giving too many things
at once.
True. One of the problems here is that the MMR vaccine has been PROVED to be
involved with the cause of Autism or ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) which covers
a number of neurological symptoms, usually running the life of the child, and the
parents too.
Nothing of the sort has been proven.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
The MMR vaccine has an excellent safety record.

https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
By simply reading Thompson's statement on his lawyer's page he admits
the changing of data in the study
Thompson retracted the statement.

/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism

http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
that proved that Black boys would get a higher rate of autism if given the MMR
vaccine BEFORE their third birthday. After that birthday, the rate was normal.
That's proof that the MMR vaccine can cause Autism when given too soon
BEFORE the 3rd birthday.
It proved nothing. The study was faulty.

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-1

http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-2
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-06-11-3419893127_x.htm
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/13/science/la-sci-autism13-2010mar13
The above 2 links are the standard crap put forward by the drug makers,
who have fought this whistleblower for a long time trying to discredit him.
There's no whistle to blow.
Thompson retracted his statement.

https://www.sott.net/article/318939-Why-is-CDC-whistleblower-Dr-William-Thompson-backtracking
They have failed miserably, but many other sing-alongs have tried to support
the drug companies in trying to cover up the problem so they don't have to
do the work of making a vaccine that works and doesn't give a disease to
1 in every 50 boys.
Again, the "1 in every 50 boys" study was shown to be faulty.
That was the case of the whistleblower William Thompson, PhD. He admitted that
as a researcher for the CDC, he and a number of his peers did as study which showed
that the MMR vaccines caused a much higher rate of Autism in black boys when it was
given BEFORE the third year of life. That rate was 3.4 times as many cases of Autism
vs. an average amount when vaccinated AFTER 3 years.
Thompson’s study showed statistical noise, with no association between
thimerosal-containing vaccines and adverse neurological outcomes.
FALSE! The problem wasn't shown to be anything to do with Thimerosal (mercury) in the
vaccine. There is not much Thimerosal in the MMR vaccine if any. The problem was the
MMR vaccine itself. When it was given BEFORE the third year for a black boy, the rate
of autism was 3.4 times higher than normal.
The study upon which that claim was made was shown to be faulty.

https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
Thompson has retracted his original claim.
FALSE! Thompson has retracted nothing. Show proof of your contentions.
/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism

http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
The CDC ordered them all to cover up the facts from the study, and they followed those
orders and left out the black children from the study, making everything look normal with no MMR problems.
Evidence of a coverup? None.
FALSE! The evidence was clear and so the CDC ordered a change in the data
for the study that proved the connection between Autism and the MMR vaccine.
There was no such evidence.
It was shown to be faulty.
A congressman named Posey has tried to get Thompson into a session of congress to testify,
but they have rigidly avoided letting that happen. The drug industry doesn't want this negative
indication to slow down their profits.
Posey found that there was no evidence to back up Thompson's claim.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE! Posey is still trying to get a hearing from Congress,
but the drug companies and their lobbyists give too much to the campaign funds.
Congress knows a red herring when it sees one.

Drug companies don't have the kind of money that you suggest they
used to influence the 434 other members of Congress into ignoring
Posey's request for a hearing.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jxtr06s5ddc82s7/AADaZvp7yu_daBhbuZwMfQy4a?dl=0&preview=ORI+Complaint.docx
The above complaint is one of the phony complaints that the drug company
shills use to slow down and kill any real evidence of Autism caused by vaccination.
They pump out this stuff by the ton. Note there is no real evidence with it.
Trump ahs suggested that he begin a commission for Robert Kennedy Jr. to run a vaccine safety
project, but my bet is that the drug makers will convince him to leave it alone and kill the idea.
Trump will kill the idea because there's no proof to back it up.
Trump can't keep a single thought in his head longer than 15 seconds.
Yet you suggest he'll support a commission on the safety of vaccines.
Maybe after he drains the swamp?
Or builds the wall with Mexico's money?
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/
The above article is one of the phonies put out when there is an attack on the vaccines that are so profitable
to the drug makers. Humorously it mentions the name Brian Hooker, and tries to discredit him as well as Thompson.
Hooker has a son who has Autism, and he tried to get copies of studies that the CDC used to prove that the
vaccines were all fine and without problem. The CDC stiffed him for many years even when he used FOIA
requests. Finally he got 2 congress men to help him and the CDC then gave up the information. With that
info Hooker was able to prove that the 5 studies that the CDC used overseas in Scandinavia were phony
and didn't prove anything about vaccines.
Further humor occurred when the man the CDC picked to run the tests to prove the vaccines were safe,
absconded with a million dollars of the CDC's money. I think he is still at large.
The other problem is multiple vaccinations at one time, making the amount of mercury far too much
for the bodies of babies to handle. Mercury affects the nervous system among other things.
Pumping it into little growing bodies can do a lot of harm, particularly the flu vaccine, which does
NOT have the Thimerosal removed because they can't be sued for deaths, etc. on those.
Injuries and deaths from vaccines are heard by the Federal Vaccine
Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
There have ben many complaints about the vaccine court, that it fights every request for
compensation from vaccines. But note that the vaccine court even while trying to avoid
paying out anything, has already paid out over 3 BILLION dollars for vaccine damage to children.
$3.5 billion paid as compensation for injuries over a 27 year period,
on 5,205 compensable claims, on more than 2.8 billion doses of
vaccines in the USA.

Looks like decent odds to me.

There are no treatments without inherent risks and side effects.

The trade off is the lives saved by the use of vaccines.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2015 over 2.8 billion doses of
covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S.
For petitions filed in this time period, 4,349 petitions were
adjudicated by the Court, and of those 2,824 were compensated.
This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed,
1 individual was compensated.
Of course, they don't tell you of how many cases are not taken to the vaccine
court because it is so hard to get compensation there.
As with most courts of law, proof of injury by a preponderance of
evidence is required.
Since 1988, over 17,835 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over
that 27- year time period, 16,113 petitions have been adjudicated,
with 5,205 of those determined to be compensable, while 10,908 were
dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is
approximately $3.5 billion.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate2_1_17.pdf
The liar that is trying to hide their name from view is probably one of the people that has
ruined the miscellaneous medicine forum.
Alleging unsubstantiated conspiracy theories rather than providing
evidence in support of one's claims usually ruins most forums.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8309.2010.02018.x/abstract;jsessionid=D651F97C3F2C622A85936670E4C8499D.f04t01
Don Roberto
2017-03-01 01:42:07 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:22:29 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:39:05 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
It's not a perfect study, but indicative of what has been suspected
http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html
There needs to be more and larger studies just to prove what many know
already.
I was vaccinated, my children were vaccinated, my granddaughter was
vaccinated, and so forth..... I am not about to turn against it because of
what "ageofautism" tells me....
But you aren't in the US. Your vaccination schedule is likely not the same
as ours. From what I gathered from a man on the radio, the problem we have
here is giving some of the vaccines at too early of an age, before the
immune system is fully developed. Another problem is giving too many things
at once.
True. One of the problems here is that the MMR vaccine has been PROVED to be
involved with the cause of Autism or ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) which covers
a number of neurological symptoms, usually running the life of the child, and the
parents too.
Nothing of the sort has been proven.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
The MMR vaccine has an excellent safety record.
https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
By simply reading Thompson's statement on his lawyer's page he admits
the changing of data in the study
Thompson retracted the statement.
/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
that proved that Black boys would get a higher rate of autism if given the MMR
vaccine BEFORE their third birthday. After that birthday, the rate was normal.
That's proof that the MMR vaccine can cause Autism when given too soon
BEFORE the 3rd birthday.
It proved nothing. The study was faulty.
http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-1
http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-2
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-06-11-3419893127_x.htm
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/13/science/la-sci-autism13-2010mar13
The above 2 links are the standard crap put forward by the drug makers,
who have fought this whistleblower for a long time trying to discredit him.
There's no whistle to blow.
Thompson retracted his statement.
https://www.sott.net/article/318939-Why-is-CDC-whistleblower-Dr-William-Thompson-backtracking
They have failed miserably, but many other sing-alongs have tried to support
the drug companies in trying to cover up the problem so they don't have to
do the work of making a vaccine that works and doesn't give a disease to
1 in every 50 boys.
Again, the "1 in every 50 boys" study was shown to be faulty.
That was the case of the whistleblower William Thompson, PhD. He admitted that
as a researcher for the CDC, he and a number of his peers did as study which showed
that the MMR vaccines caused a much higher rate of Autism in black boys when it was
given BEFORE the third year of life. That rate was 3.4 times as many cases of Autism
vs. an average amount when vaccinated AFTER 3 years.
Thompson’s study showed statistical noise, with no association between
thimerosal-containing vaccines and adverse neurological outcomes.
FALSE! The problem wasn't shown to be anything to do with Thimerosal (mercury) in the
vaccine. There is not much Thimerosal in the MMR vaccine if any. The problem was the
MMR vaccine itself. When it was given BEFORE the third year for a black boy, the rate
of autism was 3.4 times higher than normal.
The study upon which that claim was made was shown to be faulty.
https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
Thompson has retracted his original claim.
FALSE! Thompson has retracted nothing. Show proof of your contentions.
/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
The CDC ordered them all to cover up the facts from the study, and they followed those
orders and left out the black children from the study, making everything look normal with no MMR problems.
Evidence of a coverup? None.
FALSE! The evidence was clear and so the CDC ordered a change in the data
for the study that proved the connection between Autism and the MMR vaccine.
There was no such evidence.
It was shown to be faulty.
A congressman named Posey has tried to get Thompson into a session of congress to testify,
but they have rigidly avoided letting that happen. The drug industry doesn't want this negative
indication to slow down their profits.
Posey found that there was no evidence to back up Thompson's claim.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE! Posey is still trying to get a hearing from Congress,
but the drug companies and their lobbyists give too much to the campaign funds.
Congress knows a red herring when it sees one.
Drug companies don't have the kind of money that you suggest they
used to influence the 434 other members of Congress into ignoring
Posey's request for a hearing.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jxtr06s5ddc82s7/AADaZvp7yu_daBhbuZwMfQy4a?dl=0&preview=ORI+Complaint.docx
The above complaint is one of the phony complaints that the drug company
shills use to slow down and kill any real evidence of Autism caused by vaccination.
They pump out this stuff by the ton. Note there is no real evidence with it.
Trump ahs suggested that he begin a commission for Robert Kennedy Jr. to run a vaccine safety
project, but my bet is that the drug makers will convince him to leave it alone and kill the idea.
Trump will kill the idea because there's no proof to back it up.
Trump can't keep a single thought in his head longer than 15 seconds.
Yet you suggest he'll support a commission on the safety of vaccines.
Maybe after he drains the swamp?
Or builds the wall with Mexico's money?
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/
The above article is one of the phonies put out when there is an attack on the vaccines that are so profitable
to the drug makers. Humorously it mentions the name Brian Hooker, and tries to discredit him as well as Thompson.
Hooker has a son who has Autism, and he tried to get copies of studies that the CDC used to prove that the
vaccines were all fine and without problem. The CDC stiffed him for many years even when he used FOIA
requests. Finally he got 2 congress men to help him and the CDC then gave up the information. With that
info Hooker was able to prove that the 5 studies that the CDC used overseas in Scandinavia were phony
and didn't prove anything about vaccines.
Further humor occurred when the man the CDC picked to run the tests to prove the vaccines were safe,
absconded with a million dollars of the CDC's money. I think he is still at large.
The other problem is multiple vaccinations at one time, making the amount of mercury far too much
for the bodies of babies to handle. Mercury affects the nervous system among other things.
Pumping it into little growing bodies can do a lot of harm, particularly the flu vaccine, which does
NOT have the Thimerosal removed because they can't be sued for deaths, etc. on those.
Injuries and deaths from vaccines are heard by the Federal Vaccine
Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
There have ben many complaints about the vaccine court, that it fights every request for
compensation from vaccines. But note that the vaccine court even while trying to avoid
paying out anything, has already paid out over 3 BILLION dollars for vaccine damage to children.
$3.5 billion paid as compensation for injuries over a 27 year period,
on 5,205 compensable claims, on more than 2.8 billion doses of
vaccines in the USA.
Looks like decent odds to me.
There are no treatments without inherent risks and side effects.
The trade off is the lives saved by the use of vaccines.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2015 over 2.8 billion doses of
covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S.
For petitions filed in this time period, 4,349 petitions were
adjudicated by the Court, and of those 2,824 were compensated.
This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed,
1 individual was compensated.
Of course, they don't tell you of how many cases are not taken to the vaccine
court because it is so hard to get compensation there.
As with most courts of law, proof of injury by a preponderance of
evidence is required.
Since 1988, over 17,835 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over
that 27- year time period, 16,113 petitions have been adjudicated,
with 5,205 of those determined to be compensable, while 10,908 were
dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is
approximately $3.5 billion.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate2_1_17.pdf
The liar that is trying to hide their name from view is probably one of the people that has
ruined the miscellaneous medicine forum.
Alleging unsubstantiated conspiracy theories rather than providing
evidence in support of one's claims usually ruins most forums.
Correct.
But using an article from "The British Journal of Social Psychology" as
"evidence" is - given that psychology is anything but science - just as
unsubstantiated.
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Gumdrop
2017-03-01 11:41:37 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:22:29 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
<snip for brevity and relevance>
Post by &
The liar that is trying to hide their name from view is probably
one of the people that has ruined the miscellaneous medicine
forum.
Alleging unsubstantiated conspiracy theories rather than providing
evidence in support of one's claims usually ruins most forums.
Correct. But using an article from "The British Journal of Social
Psychology" as "evidence" is - given that psychology is anything but
science - just as unsubstantiated.
I beg to differ on whether psychology is enough of a science,
particularly in the cited article, for its suggestion to pass muster as
opinion evidence.

Please have your way, DR.
I don't care to wrangle with you, any more than done already.
You're a fine gentleman, and I prefer to leave it that way.
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Duncan
2017-03-08 02:35:08 UTC
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Post by &
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:22:29 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 06:39:05 -0800 (PST), mainframetech
It's not a perfect study, but indicative of what has been suspected
http://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/first-peer-reviewed-study-of-vaccinated-versus-unvaccinated-children-censored-by-an-international-scientific-journal-now-publ.html
There needs to be more and larger studies just to prove what many know
already.
I was vaccinated, my children were vaccinated, my granddaughter was
vaccinated, and so forth..... I am not about to turn against it because of
what "ageofautism" tells me....
But you aren't in the US. Your vaccination schedule is likely not the same
as ours. From what I gathered from a man on the radio, the problem we have
here is giving some of the vaccines at too early of an age, before the
immune system is fully developed. Another problem is giving too many things
at once.
True. One of the problems here is that the MMR vaccine has been PROVED to be
involved with the cause of Autism or ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) which covers
a number of neurological symptoms, usually running the life of the child, and the
parents too.
Nothing of the sort has been proven.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE!
The MMR vaccine has an excellent safety record.
https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
By simply reading Thompson's statement on his lawyer's page he admits
the changing of data in the study
Thompson retracted the statement.
/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
that proved that Black boys would get a higher rate of autism if given the MMR
vaccine BEFORE their third birthday. After that birthday, the rate was normal.
That's proof that the MMR vaccine can cause Autism when given too soon
BEFORE the 3rd birthday.
It proved nothing. The study was faulty.
http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-1
http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-2
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-06-11-3419893127_x.htm
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/13/science/la-sci-autism13-2010mar13
The above 2 links are the standard crap put forward by the drug makers,
who have fought this whistleblower for a long time trying to discredit him.
There's no whistle to blow.
Thompson retracted his statement.
https://www.sott.net/article/318939-Why-is-CDC-whistleblower-Dr-William-Thompson-backtracking
They have failed miserably, but many other sing-alongs have tried to support
the drug companies in trying to cover up the problem so they don't have to
do the work of making a vaccine that works and doesn't give a disease to
1 in every 50 boys.
Again, the "1 in every 50 boys" study was shown to be faulty.
That was the case of the whistleblower William Thompson, PhD. He admitted that
as a researcher for the CDC, he and a number of his peers did as study which showed
that the MMR vaccines caused a much higher rate of Autism in black boys when it was
given BEFORE the third year of life. That rate was 3.4 times as many cases of Autism
vs. an average amount when vaccinated AFTER 3 years.
Thompson’s study showed statistical noise, with no association between
thimerosal-containing vaccines and adverse neurological outcomes.
FALSE! The problem wasn't shown to be anything to do with Thimerosal (mercury) in the
vaccine. There is not much Thimerosal in the MMR vaccine if any. The problem was the
MMR vaccine itself. When it was given BEFORE the third year for a black boy, the rate
of autism was 3.4 times higher than normal.
The study upon which that claim was made was shown to be faulty.
https://epidemiological.net/2014/08/24/directed-acyclic-graphs-and-the-mmr-vaccine-doesnt-cause-autism/
Thompson has retracted his original claim.
FALSE! Thompson has retracted nothing. Show proof of your contentions.
/quote
I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant
information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics.
The omitted data suggested that African American males who received
the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for
autism
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
http://morganverkamp.com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
The CDC ordered them all to cover up the facts from the study, and they followed those
orders and left out the black children from the study, making everything look normal with no MMR problems.
Evidence of a coverup? None.
FALSE! The evidence was clear and so the CDC ordered a change in the data
for the study that proved the connection between Autism and the MMR vaccine.
There was no such evidence.
It was shown to be faulty.
A congressman named Posey has tried to get Thompson into a session of congress to testify,
but they have rigidly avoided letting that happen. The drug industry doesn't want this negative
indication to slow down their profits.
Posey found that there was no evidence to back up Thompson's claim.
ABSOLUTELY FALSE! Posey is still trying to get a hearing from Congress,
but the drug companies and their lobbyists give too much to the campaign funds.
Congress knows a red herring when it sees one.
Drug companies don't have the kind of money that you suggest they
used to influence the 434 other members of Congress into ignoring
Posey's request for a hearing.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jxtr06s5ddc82s7/AADaZvp7yu_daBhbuZwMfQy4a?dl=0&preview=ORI+Complaint.docx
The above complaint is one of the phony complaints that the drug company
shills use to slow down and kill any real evidence of Autism caused by vaccination.
They pump out this stuff by the ton. Note there is no real evidence with it.
Trump ahs suggested that he begin a commission for Robert Kennedy Jr. to run a vaccine safety
project, but my bet is that the drug makers will convince him to leave it alone and kill the idea.
Trump will kill the idea because there's no proof to back it up.
Trump can't keep a single thought in his head longer than 15 seconds.
Yet you suggest he'll support a commission on the safety of vaccines.
Maybe after he drains the swamp?
Or builds the wall with Mexico's money?
https://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2016/01/04/the-william-thompson-documents-theres-no-whistle-to-blow/
The above article is one of the phonies put out when there is an attack on the vaccines that are so profitable
to the drug makers. Humorously it mentions the name Brian Hooker, and tries to discredit him as well as Thompson.
Hooker has a son who has Autism, and he tried to get copies of studies that the CDC used to prove that the
vaccines were all fine and without problem. The CDC stiffed him for many years even when he used FOIA
requests. Finally he got 2 congress men to help him and the CDC then gave up the information. With that
info Hooker was able to prove that the 5 studies that the CDC used overseas in Scandinavia were phony
and didn't prove anything about vaccines.
Further humor occurred when the man the CDC picked to run the tests to prove the vaccines were safe,
absconded with a million dollars of the CDC's money. I think he is still at large.
The other problem is multiple vaccinations at one time, making the amount of mercury far too much
for the bodies of babies to handle. Mercury affects the nervous system among other things.
Pumping it into little growing bodies can do a lot of harm, particularly the flu vaccine, which does
NOT have the Thimerosal removed because they can't be sued for deaths, etc. on those.
Injuries and deaths from vaccines are heard by the Federal Vaccine
Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
There have ben many complaints about the vaccine court, that it fights every request for
compensation from vaccines. But note that the vaccine court even while trying to avoid
paying out anything, has already paid out over 3 BILLION dollars for vaccine damage to children.
$3.5 billion paid as compensation for injuries over a 27 year period,
on 5,205 compensable claims, on more than 2.8 billion doses of
vaccines in the USA.
And they say that only around 10% of cases of adverse reactions to
vaccines are ever reported. And let's face it, there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination - how many
parents would report cot deaths as possible symptom of vaccination. I
think they'd be too caught up in grief to even think about it.
Post by &
Looks like decent odds to me.
There are no treatments without inherent risks and side effects.
The trade off is the lives saved by the use of vaccines.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2015 over 2.8 billion doses of
covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S.
For petitions filed in this time period, 4,349 petitions were
adjudicated by the Court, and of those 2,824 were compensated.
This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed,
1 individual was compensated.
Of course, they don't tell you of how many cases are not taken to the vaccine
court because it is so hard to get compensation there.
As with most courts of law, proof of injury by a preponderance of
evidence is required.
Since 1988, over 17,835 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over
that 27- year time period, 16,113 petitions have been adjudicated,
with 5,205 of those determined to be compensable, while 10,908 were
dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is
approximately $3.5 billion.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate2_1_17.pdf
The liar that is trying to hide their name from view is probably one of the people that has
ruined the miscellaneous medicine forum.
Alleging unsubstantiated conspiracy theories rather than providing
evidence in support of one's claims usually ruins most forums.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8309.2010.02018.x/abstract;jsessionid=D651F97C3F2C622A85936670E4C8499D.f04t01
Rubbish!
The mainstream media is mostly disinformation - evidence is routinely
kept from public debate. So what is a person to do, just go along with
mainstream "experts and reliable sources" because the evidence is
hidden? Because this is what currently occurs - information is kept
hidden to protect globalist interests. People are bought out,
threatened or knocked off to keep information hidden.

In the absence of actual evidence, there is absolutely nothing wrong
with speculating about possible causes and reasons for why things
happen the way they do.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by &
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
The Newest Other Guy
2017-03-08 04:37:30 UTC
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Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.

ALL equally UNlikely.
Bob Officer
2017-03-08 08:26:43 UTC
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Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.

What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.

SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.

This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-08 15:55:49 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.


http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-own-data-vaccine-infant-death-link
"But what happens when the actual evidence from the scientific and
clinical literature produced by these very agencies contradicts their
own vaccine policies?

This is exactly what has happened with the publication of a new study
in the Journal of Pediatrics titled ,"Adverse Events following
Haemophilus influenzae Type b Vaccines in the Vaccine Adverse Event
ReportingSystem, 1990-2013," wherein CDC and FDA researchers identify
749 deaths linked to the administration of the Hib vaccine, 51% of
which were sudden infant death linked to the administration of Hib
vaccine.

The CDC has boldly denied that there is any evidence supporting a
causal link between vaccines and infant death, despite the fact that
their own webpage on the topic acknowledges that "From 2 to 4 months
old, babies begin their primary course of vaccinations. This is also
the peak age for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)." Written off as
coincidence, the CDC suggests that stomach sleeping is the primary
modifiable risk factor"
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
People wouldn't have to speculate if modern science could come up with
some answers. But unfortunately they don't have any, same as autism,
no answers. Same as the war on cancer, still a mystery why people get
cancer etc etc.

Modern science is as useless and unhelpful as tits on a bull.


--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb
Bob Officer
2017-03-08 19:39:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-own-data-vaccine-infant-death-link
Let me see who is this so called fount of wisdom? I have looked and I can
not fine anywhere he has any education on the subjects he writes about. A
BA degree in philosophy is not science, nor does it allow him to advise
anyone on health matters.


He sells his books and stuff on the web. Lots of stuff, and most of praise
and accolades are all self given.

And this is what others have to say about him
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/10/18/quoth-sayer-ji-modern-medicine-is-cannibalism/

And

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/05/02/sayer-ji-willfully-misunderstanding-overdiagnosis-and-misdiagnosis-since-forever/

And to top it off just how wrong is Sayer Ji?
Several studies seems to show there is cases cases of SIDS when the
children are vaccinated.

Vennemann, MM; Höffgen, M; Bajanowski, T; Hense, HW; Mitchell, EA (21 June
2007). "Do immunisations reduce the risk for SIDS? A meta-analysis".
Vaccine. 25 (26): 4875–9. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2007.02.077. PMID 1740034

And

Müller-Nordhorn, Jacqueline; Hettler-Chen, Chih-Mei; Keil, Thomas;
Muckelbauer, Rebecca (28 January 2015). "Association between sudden infant
death syndrome and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunisation: an ecological
study". BMC Pediatrics. 15 (1). doi:10.1186/s12887-015-0318-7

And

Mitchell, E A; Stewart, A W; Clements, M (1 December 1995). "Immunisation
and the sudden infant death syndrome. New Zealand Cot Death Study Group.".
Archives of Disease in Childhood. 73 (6): 498–501. doi:10.1136/adc.73.6.49

And

^ Fleming, P. J (7 April 2001). "The UK accelerated immunisation programme
and sudden unexpected death in infancy: case-control study". BMJ. 322
(7290): 822–822. doi:10.1136/bmj.322.7290.822

And

Carvajal, A; Caro-Patón, T; Martín de Diego, I; Martín Arias, LH; Alvarez
Requejo, A; Lobato, A (4 May 1996). "[DTP vaccine and infant sudden death
syndrome. Meta-analysis].". Medicina clinica. 106 (17): 649–52. PMID
8691909



And

^ Hoffman, HJ; Hunter, JC; Damus, K; Pakter, J; Peterson, DR; van Belle, G;
Hasselmeyer, EG (April 1987). "Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization
and sudden infant death: results of the National Institute of Child Health
and Human Development Cooperative Epidemiological Study of Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome risk factors.". Pediatrics. 79 (4): 598–611. PMID 3493477

And

Just where is Sayer Ji's studies and research? Just what is his authority?

I point the finger and accuse Carole of referencing a false authority, one
of her favorite and highly used fallacies.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-09 23:21:02 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:39:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-own-data-vaccine-infant-death-link
Let me see who is this so called fount of wisdom? I have looked and I can
not fine anywhere he has any education on the subjects he writes about. A
BA degree in philosophy is not science, nor does it allow him to advise
anyone on health matters.
It doesn't matter who wrote that the CDC contradicts its own
information, if the facts check out.
Post by Bob Officer
He sells his books and stuff on the web. Lots of stuff, and most of praise
and accolades are all self given.
And this is what others have to say about him
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/10/18/quoth-sayer-ji-modern-medicine-is-cannibalism/
And
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/05/02/sayer-ji-willfully-misunderstanding-overdiagnosis-and-misdiagnosis-since-forever/
And to top it off just how wrong is Sayer Ji?
Several studies seems to show there is cases cases of SIDS when the
children are vaccinated.
So you agree that there are studies where SIDS occurs after
vaccination?
Post by Bob Officer
Vennemann, MM; Höffgen, M; Bajanowski, T; Hense, HW; Mitchell, EA (21 June
2007). "Do immunisations reduce the risk for SIDS? A meta-analysis".
Vaccine. 25 (26): 4875–9. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2007.02.077. PMID 1740034
And
Müller-Nordhorn, Jacqueline; Hettler-Chen, Chih-Mei; Keil, Thomas;
Muckelbauer, Rebecca (28 January 2015). "Association between sudden infant
death syndrome and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunisation: an ecological
study". BMC Pediatrics. 15 (1). doi:10.1186/s12887-015-0318-7
And
Mitchell, E A; Stewart, A W; Clements, M (1 December 1995). "Immunisation
and the sudden infant death syndrome. New Zealand Cot Death Study Group.".
Archives of Disease in Childhood. 73 (6): 498–501. doi:10.1136/adc.73.6.49
And
^ Fleming, P. J (7 April 2001). "The UK accelerated immunisation programme
and sudden unexpected death in infancy: case-control study". BMJ. 322
(7290): 822–822. doi:10.1136/bmj.322.7290.822
And
Carvajal, A; Caro-Patón, T; Martín de Diego, I; Martín Arias, LH; Alvarez
Requejo, A; Lobato, A (4 May 1996). "[DTP vaccine and infant sudden death
syndrome. Meta-analysis].". Medicina clinica. 106 (17): 649–52. PMID
8691909
And
^ Hoffman, HJ; Hunter, JC; Damus, K; Pakter, J; Peterson, DR; van Belle, G;
Hasselmeyer, EG (April 1987). "Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization
and sudden infant death: results of the National Institute of Child Health
and Human Development Cooperative Epidemiological Study of Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome risk factors.". Pediatrics. 79 (4): 598–611. PMID 3493477
And
Just where is Sayer Ji's studies and research? Just what is his authority?
I point the finger and accuse Carole of referencing a false authority, one
of her favorite and highly used fallacies.
The CDC is a false authority.

https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/
"The Center for Disease Control is a rogue institution engaged in the
destruction of the health of the American population . . .

CDC is a for-profit corporation listed on Dun and Bradstreet
CDC partners with big pharma
CDC deceives health practitioners as well as the public
CDC is rife with corruption
CDC orchestrates propaganda campaigns based on nonexistent threats
CDC wastes millions of dollars
CDC hires researchers to create bogus studies
CDC does not protect the population, but promotes whatever agenda
those who control the White House [the international banksters] wish
advanced
CDC pays public health institutions and even has employees
stationed in their state offices
CDC ignores congressional reports and/or hearings
CDC actively discredits/destroys reputable researchers
CDC bilks insurance companies out of billions of dollars by
knowingly creating disease through their massive vaccination programs
CDC hires private think-tank corporations to produce phoney
consensus reports
CDC promotes the dumping of toxic wastes from the chemical
fertilizer industry into public drinking water in the name of
‘fluoridation’ contributing to ill health
CDC has a long and nasty relationship with the CIA

While most physicians and public health workers may be unaware of the
depth of the cover-up regarding vaccines, the harm they are causing is
incalculable and the damage being inflicted on us and our children is
devastating. Since the illnesses or injuries caused by toxic vaccines
frequently don’t show up for weeks or even years, the medical
industrial complex maintains plausible deniability."




--
Dodgy Dealings

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Bob Officer
2017-03-10 08:34:17 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:39:29 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-own-data-vaccine-infant-death-link
Let me see who is this so called fount of wisdom? I have looked and I can
not fine anywhere he has any education on the subjects he writes about. A
BA degree in philosophy is not science, nor does it allow him to advise
anyone on health matters.
It doesn't matter who wrote that the CDC contradicts its own
information, if the facts check out.
IF?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
He sells his books and stuff on the web. Lots of stuff, and most of praise
and accolades are all self given.
And this is what others have to say about him
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/10/18/quoth-sayer-ji-modern-medicine-is-cannibalism/
And
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/05/02/sayer-ji-willfully-misunderstanding-overdiagnosis-and-misdiagnosis-since-forever/
And to top it off just how wrong is Sayer Ji?
Several studies seems to show there is cases cases of SIDS when the
children are vaccinated.
So you agree that there are studies where SIDS occurs after
vaccination?
SIDS occurs in unvaccinated cohorts.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Vennemann, MM; Höffgen, M; Bajanowski, T; Hense, HW; Mitchell, EA (21 June
2007). "Do immunisations reduce the risk for SIDS? A meta-analysis".
Vaccine. 25 (26): 4875–9. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2007.02.077. PMID 1740034
And
Müller-Nordhorn, Jacqueline; Hettler-Chen, Chih-Mei; Keil, Thomas;
Muckelbauer, Rebecca (28 January 2015). "Association between sudden infant
death syndrome and diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunisation: an ecological
study". BMC Pediatrics. 15 (1). doi:10.1186/s12887-015-0318-7
And
Mitchell, E A; Stewart, A W; Clements, M (1 December 1995). "Immunisation
and the sudden infant death syndrome. New Zealand Cot Death Study Group.".
Archives of Disease in Childhood. 73 (6): 498–501. doi:10.1136/adc.73.6.49
And
^ Fleming, P. J (7 April 2001). "The UK accelerated immunisation programme
and sudden unexpected death in infancy: case-control study". BMJ. 322
(7290): 822–822. doi:10.1136/bmj.322.7290.822
And
Carvajal, A; Caro-Patón, T; Martín de Diego, I; Martín Arias, LH; Alvarez
Requejo, A; Lobato, A (4 May 1996). "[DTP vaccine and infant sudden death
syndrome. Meta-analysis].". Medicina clinica. 106 (17): 649–52. PMID
8691909
And
^ Hoffman, HJ; Hunter, JC; Damus, K; Pakter, J; Peterson, DR; van Belle, G;
Hasselmeyer, EG (April 1987). "Diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization
and sudden infant death: results of the National Institute of Child Health
and Human Development Cooperative Epidemiological Study of Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome risk factors.". Pediatrics. 79 (4): 598–611. PMID 3493477
And
Just where is Sayer Ji's studies and research? Just what is his authority?
I point the finger and accuse Carole of referencing a false authority, one
of her favorite and highly used fallacies.
The CDC is a false authority.
No it isn't.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/
"The Center for Disease Control is a rogue institution engaged in the
destruction of the health of the American population . . .
CDC is a for-profit corporation listed on Dun and Bradstreet
The Red Cross is also listed as is several 1000s of nonprofits?
Just where did you get this already falsified nonsense, Carole?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
While most physicians and public health workers may be unaware of the
Hey that me, I am a sworn public health office and unpaid volunteer,
Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
depth of the cover-up regarding vaccines,
Nope, no cover-up
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
the harm they are causing is
incalculable and the damage being inflicted on us and our children is
devastating. Since the illnesses or injuries caused by toxic vaccines
frequently don’t show up for weeks or even years, the medical
industrial complex maintains plausible deniability."
If we eliminated vaccines. The median age of death would quickly drop to 35
if were were lucky, it might be even lower. I would expect the number of
children surviving to 10 years of age to be about 40%.

Prior to the vaccine for tetanus, the age of mortality was around 35 years
of age. Short after that it grew to about 42 years of age.


Cleese is right about you Carole.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Bob Officer
2017-03-10 08:39:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.
Yes we do, just as we know, ASD was around before vaccines. The conditions
are well described in modern medical literature as early as 1810.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/cdcs-own-data-vaccine-infant-death-link
"But what happens when the actual evidence from the scientific and
clinical literature produced by these very agencies contradicts their
own vaccine policies?
This is exactly what has happened with the publication of a new study
in the Journal of Pediatrics titled ,"Adverse Events following
Haemophilus influenzae Type b Vaccines in the Vaccine Adverse Event
ReportingSystem, 1990-2013," wherein CDC and FDA researchers identify
749 deaths linked to the administration of the Hib vaccine, 51% of
which were sudden infant death linked to the administration of Hib
vaccine.
Correlation is not causation Carole. Any one that makes a habit of reading
science literature knows that. It is event you and your source doesn't.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The CDC has boldly denied that there is any evidence supporting a
causal link between vaccines and infant death, despite the fact that
their own webpage on the topic acknowledges that "From 2 to 4 months
old, babies begin their primary course of vaccinations. This is also
the peak age for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)." Written off as
coincidence, the CDC suggests that stomach sleeping is the primary
modifiable risk factor"
SIDS was around way before the 1990, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
People wouldn't have to speculate if modern science could come up with
some answers. But unfortunately they don't have any, same as autism,
no answers. Same as the war on cancer, still a mystery why people get
cancer etc etc.
Modern science is as useless and unhelpful as tits on a bull.
Funny you continue to use words you just do not understand, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
--
Dodgy Dealings
10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx
This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810
CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/
Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa
Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014
"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
The Newest Other Guy
2017-03-10 09:34:43 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:39:32 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
We don't know that.
Yes we do, just as we know, ASD was around before vaccines. The conditions
are well described in modern medical literature as early as 1810.
Bob, you KNOW that "WE don't know that" means she doesn't want to ADMIT
knowing that, because it would be a logical conflict to her construct.
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-08 16:06:43 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter

http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
to refute the conclusion reached earlier by Alexander Walker et al.:
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "

http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
Classic quote:
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)


While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.


--
Dodgy Dealings


"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Bob Officer
2017-03-08 21:56:23 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
authority you cite seems to be wrong:

http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5

Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.

It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.

BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.

Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-09 23:11:48 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.

You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."

Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "


Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.

http://whale.to/v/coulter1.html
" "Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it
was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in
the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS. This name is significant, in the light of
subsequent controversies, since "of unknown origin" means exactly
that. So, when the medical establishment assures us that SIDS is
unrelated to vaccinations, the obvious response is, How do you know?,
if it is defined as "of unknown origin"? "

The reason they "know" is the same reason that bible bashers "know"
they are saved and "know" that they walk and talk with "the lord"..



--
Dodgy Dealings

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb
Bob Officer
2017-03-10 08:34:16 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.

Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.

Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?

Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?

You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.

Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-11 22:46:17 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.

John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.

Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?

I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"

http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.

Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS

http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousands-of-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
document SIDS Facts states:

"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."

In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.

Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".

This makes you a dunce.



--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb
Bob Officer
2017-03-12 04:27:55 UTC
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.
John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.
Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
They are not doctors for one, and therefore do not know medicine. They
study about it but are not doctors. They do not diagnose or understand the
process of diagnosis and seldom do statistics.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
They study and often project their biases into the studies. Theydo not
research but write reports about research they have read.

Funny you don't understand who does what.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Yes I have.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?
Yes I have and you are wrong. Did d you know most of the money donated
during that period didn't not come from Rockefeller but from a group,of
over 25 industrialist giants including Carnegie, Stanford, Ford and a host
of others. Those schools taught science, science eliminates that which just
doesn't work through a logical process.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Still telling the same old lies, eh, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"
http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.
Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousands-of-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
1000s, that figure is bogus Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."
No it isn't. SIDS Only deals with unexplained deaths while sleeping.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.
Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".
This makes you a dunce.
No you need to check those base figures Carole.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-13 00:32:58 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last
49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes.
Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the
same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.
John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.
Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies,
thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
They are not doctors for one, and therefore do not know medicine. They
study about it but are not doctors. They do not diagnose or understand the
process of diagnosis and seldom do statistics.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
They study and often project their biases into the studies. Theydo not
research but write reports about research they have read.
Funny you don't understand who does what.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Yes I have.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?
Yes I have and you are wrong. Did d you know most of the money donated
during that period didn't not come from Rockefeller but from a group,of
over 25 industrialist giants including Carnegie, Stanford, Ford and a host
of others. Those schools taught science, science eliminates that which just
doesn't work through a logical process.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Still telling the same old lies, eh, Carole.
Bottom line. Carole Hubbard owns the rating because she took that test.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"
http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.
Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousands-
of-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
1000s, that figure is bogus Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."
No it isn't. SIDS Only deals with unexplained deaths while sleeping.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.
Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".
This makes you a dunce.
No you need to check those base figures Carole.
http://cribsforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dr.TyralaSSS.pdf
Bob Officer
2017-03-13 00:48:59 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes.
Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.
John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.
Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies,
thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
They are not doctors for one, and therefore do not know medicine. They
study about it but are not doctors. They do not diagnose or understand the
process of diagnosis and seldom do statistics.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
They study and often project their biases into the studies. Theydo not
research but write reports about research they have read.
Funny you don't understand who does what.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Yes I have.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?
Yes I have and you are wrong. Did d you know most of the money donated
during that period didn't not come from Rockefeller but from a group,of
over 25 industrialist giants including Carnegie, Stanford, Ford and a host
of others. Those schools taught science, science eliminates that which just
doesn't work through a logical process.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Still telling the same old lies, eh, Carole.
Bottom line. Carole Hubbard owns the rating because she took that test.
Exactly, and that my dear friend is called psychological projection. It is
a classic case, because she can't read. my mind so she uses her own
experiences and then projects them on me.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"
http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.
Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousands-
of-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
1000s, that figure is bogus Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."
No it isn't. SIDS Only deals with unexplained deaths while sleeping.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.
Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".
This makes you a dunce.
No you need to check those base figures Carole.
http://cribsforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dr.TyralaSSS.pdf
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-15 00:29:27 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the
last
49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes.
Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the
same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.
John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.
Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies,
thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see
it
is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
They are not doctors for one, and therefore do not know medicine. They
study about it but are not doctors. They do not diagnose or understand the
process of diagnosis and seldom do statistics.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
They study and often project their biases into the studies. Theydo not
research but write reports about research they have read.
Funny you don't understand who does what.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Yes I have.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?
Yes I have and you are wrong. Did d you know most of the money donated
during that period didn't not come from Rockefeller but from a group,of
over 25 industrialist giants including Carnegie, Stanford, Ford and a host
of others. Those schools taught science, science eliminates that which just
doesn't work through a logical process.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Still telling the same old lies, eh, Carole.
Bottom line. Carole Hubbard owns the rating because she took that test.
Exactly, and that my dear friend is called psychological projection. It is
a classic case, because she can't read. my mind so she uses her own
experiences and then projects them on me.
A huge imbalance in intelligence, too.No way for Carole to come anywhere near
answering those questions the way you would.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped
by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a
entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most
prevalent
of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"
http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.
Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousand
s-
of-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
1000s, that figure is bogus Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."
No it isn't. SIDS Only deals with unexplained deaths while sleeping.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.
Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".
This makes you a dunce.
No you need to check those base figures Carole.
http://cribsforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dr.TyralaSSS.pdf
Lu
2017-03-12 23:46:01 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical term. A quick look at the research over the last
49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the
same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
Wrong again Carole. I don't know who this Coulter Harris is but the
http://216.248.198.60/SIDS/history.cfm?s=5
Note the Page references a US law called the National SIDS ACT in 1974,
which provides funds to each state to research and track SIDS.
It seems Coulter and Carole are wrong, again.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
LOL! Whale is not a reliable source, Carole, why do you use it?
www.whale.to is a good source that is free of globalist interference.
Can't say the same for Wikipedia which edits out anything the
globalists don't approve of. IOW homeopathy out, GMOs in,
pharmaceutical drugs in, nutritional remedies out etc.
John doesn't get any information and has known lies and falsehoodS on his
web pages. He is just a near-illiterate pig farmer.
And you're just an ignorant technical person.
John has reached conclusions that many other thinking people have
reached ie that the system is crooked, that it has been taken over by
the globalist agenda. I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with your
pharmaceutical pawn mentality that prefers to get its information from
"experts and reliable sources" (to save you having to think for
yourself).
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You're showing your true ESTJ pawn colours more with every post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTJ
About you said wiki is unreliable, now you are using it again?
I'll take my chances since it is not a political topic.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"According to Keirsey, ESTJs are civic-minded individuals who dedicate
themselves to maintaining the institutions behind a smooth-running
society. They are defenders of the status quo and strong believers in
rules and procedures."
Summing up, the ESTJ doesn't question the system, but supports and
defends it regardless of whether it is right or wrong. ie the true
establishment pawn that the globalists love.
Sorry Carole this claim about Myers-Briggs is completely falsified
elsewhere just today. Stop using it. The horse is dead and no matter how
much you beat is will not move.
Sorry bob, I like it and will continue to "flog the dead horse". Sorry
if it exposes your inner motivations of being an establishment brown
noser.
Post by Bob Officer
Every time you continue to use it you prove Cleese's point again and again.
Stupid is as stupid does bob.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
Correlation is not causation, Carole.
While correlation isn't causation there will be no correlation if
there it isn't true. ie still not disproven ie by impartial research.
Sorry Carole. You have no idea what you are saying.
Let me rephrase - while correlation isn't causation, correlation
cannot rule out causation.
IOW rule out the impossible and whatever remains, no matter how
unlikely remains the truth.
Correlation is a hypothesis - the hypothesis needs to be tested for
validity, not thrown away because "correlation doesn't mean
causation".
And when I say tested, this needs to be done by other than vested
interest, unlike big pharma which does all its own testing.
Post by Bob Officer
Parents of most children which died from SIDS used ink pens in the months
before the child's birth. That is correlation. Not why are you busy
investigating?
Parents of children that died from SIDS had TV in their homes? Correlation?
Link to causation?
You've got to have a correlation that begins in 1980s, same time that
vaccine schedule began to rise.
Post by Bob Officer
You see Carole you do not have enough background knowledge in science and
math to even understand what the studies say or how to vet the studies
themselves.
I have enough knowledge to know the system stinks and mainstream is
not investigating causes, just sweeping it under the carpet.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920?s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."?Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies,
thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Carole bought a ticket to ride on Harris L Coulter's wagon and we see it is
being pulled by dead horse.
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"[Harris L. Coulter, PhD is a medical historian and lecturer who has
Historian?
You have a problem with historians?
Let me remind you bob that a historian is a person who studies
history. They do research. This is a step above a person who takes
words from "experts" and "reliable sources" and just passes them on as
true without doing their own checking.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
published in many areas including homeopathic medicine, cancer, and
the dangers of vaccinations...He earned his PhD in 1969 from Columbia
University, NY, in a dissertation entitled Political and Social
Aspects of Nineteenth-Century Medicine in the United States: The
Formation of the American Medical Association and its Struggle with
the Homeopathic and Eclectic Physicians. "
Yep, Coulter is a reliable source.
Shame about that hey bob!!
Not really, did you look to see the comment and criticisms of his
dissertation? Do you even understand the process of what the dissertation
and defense is?
Bob, have you looked at mainstream sources and studied where they get
their views from?
Have you looked into how mainstream medical schools got grants from
Rockefeller in exchange for teaching pharmaceutical medicine and
demonising alternative medicine?
I didn't think so.
And the reason why is because you are an ESTJ bob.
A brown noser to the system.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
BTW SIDS was around for years before it had a label. It seems it only
showed up as a blip after most of the childhood diseases were stopped by
vaccines.
Looking for illnesses and causes of disease is like listening to a entire
orchestra. Once you eliminate the loudest of instruments (most prevalent of
diseases) the minor diseases pop out.
Not so bob.
Yes so., Carole. Just look at the incidence and mortality rates.
SIDS used to be known as "crib death" or maybe "cot death"
http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/coulter/sids.html
"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the
1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of
childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and
even acquired a new name, "sudden infant death of unknown origin,."
or, for short, SIDS.
Correlation between timing of vaccinations and crib deaths / SIDS
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/studies-prove-that-thousands-of
-babies.html
"Generally accepted statistics show that the majority of SIDS (cot
death) infants die at the age of two to four months of age. Very few
of these babies are below the age of two months. The government
"SIDS is the unexplained death of a baby under 1 year of age. Most
SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age. The number of babies
dying of SIDS dramatically drops after 6 months of age."
In fact, statistics show that 80% of all SIDS die between 2 and 4
months. Amazingly 90% of all SIDS die under the age of 6 months.
Most children begin routine vaccinations at the age of 2 months, when
they have Rotavirus, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Haemophilus
influenzae type b, Pneumococcal, and Inactivated Poliovirus. After the
age of 6 months there are no further vaccinations until the age of 13
months. These facts are highly significant and yet somehow completely
overlooked by present day governments and medical establishments."
Post by Bob Officer
Try verifying claims for once rather than blindly repeat nonsense.
Whale.to is not a reliable source without some sort of verification. John
was notorious for lifting entire web pages and articles with no references
or author mentioned. Sort of like your own web pages. Disjointed and
disorganized. Often one of his web pages will contradict the next. Sort of
like reading our supermarket rag called the national enquirer.
On the contrary my dear watson, www.whale.to is a reliable source
unlike the propaganda you refer to as "expert knowledge".
This makes you a dunce.
The Newest Other Guy
2017-03-12 19:45:44 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:11:48 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
<***@dealings.com> wrote:


Yes, we KNOW you're dodgy, dumbass.
Lu
2017-03-11 04:54:10 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
I remember hearing about crib deaths back in the 50”s.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Bob Officer
2017-03-12 04:27:55 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
I remember hearing about crib deaths back in the 50”s.
Indeed, the problem is there were no standard diagnostic codes then. With
no code the long hand descriptive terms were used. The reason it was
noticed and concern was raised, was insurance diagnostic and billing codes
came into wide spread use. The CDC and state's record keeping became more
uniform and searchable by machine.
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2017-03-13 00:45:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
I remember hearing about crib deaths back in the 50”s.
Indeed, the problem is there were no standard diagnostic codes then. With
no code the long hand descriptive terms were used. The reason it was
noticed and concern was raised, was insurance diagnostic and billing codes
came into wide spread use. The CDC and state's record keeping became more
uniform and searchable by machine.
Crib Deaths and Autism were around long before they worried about labels,
codes or vaccines.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Do you think Carole will ever be able to get through one post without calling
someone a name? She really is vamping up her reputation as a lying bitch.
Bob Officer
2017-03-13 01:19:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by The Newest Other Guy
Post by Duncan
there is speculation
that cot deaths might be a side effect of vaccination
There IS speculation, AMONGST STUPID PEOPLE, of that,
AND that there is life on Mars, and that zombies are real.
ALL equally UNlikely.
SIDS is the technical team. A quick look at the research over the last 49
years on the subject and you will find 100s of investigated causes. Each
finding nothing signification for causation.
What we are looking at could maybe be a dozen or more causes with the same
end results.
SIDS was around long before vaccinations were used.
"Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was
not even mentioned in the statistics." - Harris Coulter
I remember hearing about crib deaths back in the 50”s.
Indeed, the problem is there were no standard diagnostic codes then. With
no code the long hand descriptive terms were used. The reason it was
noticed and concern was raised, was insurance diagnostic and billing codes
came into wide spread use. The CDC and state's record keeping became more
uniform and searchable by machine.
Crib Deaths and Autism were around long before they worried about labels,
codes or vaccines.
Child mortality was high and it was simply signed off on a death
certificate by the local coroner or M.E. Many counties in the US didn't
have coroners or M.E.s and death certificates were signed by the undertaker
or local sheriff. Autopsies were not even required if the doctor, M.E. or
coroners could not see any outward signs of trauma or abuse.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
http://whale.to/v/coulter2.html
"The first article, on "sudden infant death," was presumably written
"we found the SIDS mortality rate in the period zero to three days
following DTP to be 7.3 times that in the period beginning 30 days
after immunization...only a small proportion of SIDS cases in infants
with birthweights greater than 2500 grams could be associated with
DTP" ("Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Immunization and Sudden Infant
Death Syndrome." American Journal of Public Health 77:8 [1987],
945-951). "
http://whale.to/vaccines/coulter.html
"Society today is paying a heavy price in disease and death for the
monopoly granted the medical profession in the 1920’s. In fact, the
situation peculiarly resembles that of the 1830s when physicians
relied on bloodletting, mercurial medicines, and quinine, even though
knowing them to be intrinsically harmful. And precisely the same
arguments were made in defense of these medicines as are employed
today, namely, that the benefits outweigh the risks. In truth, the
benefits accrue to the physician, while the patient runs the
risks."—Harris Coulter (Divided Legacy Vol 3)
While reading this information it does well to take it seriously
despite the fact it doesn't come from establishment "experts and
reliable sources". In fact you can't trust a word that comes from
mainstream sources which are all politically motivated and sanitised
to protect their sources.
Post by Bob Officer
This is another case of Carole falling pray to common fallacies, thinking
all speculation is worth is of equal value.
Bob is a moron and an establishment pawn.
Do you think Carole will ever be able to get through one post without calling
someone a name? She really is vamping up her reputation as a lying bitch.
This seems to be the same MO she used in school, that of a school yard
bully. Name calling and pushing and shoving.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
&
2017-03-08 06:30:03 UTC
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Post by Duncan
And they say that only around 10% of cases of adverse reactions to
vaccines are ever reported.
They're not reported because as adverse reactions, they're minor,
resolving themselves quickly on their own.
Post by Duncan
And let's face it, there is speculation that cot deaths might be a side
effect of vaccination - how manyparents would report cot deaths as
possible symptom of vaccination. I think they'd be too caught up in
grief to even think about it.
If grief operated the way you say it does, the medical malpractice bar
would be starbing on the vine.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf

Deaths by vaccines are listed in column 3.

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate3_1_17.pdf

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html
Post by Duncan
The mainstream media is mostly disinformation - evidence is routinely
kept from public debate. So what is a person to do, just go along with
mainstream "experts and reliable sources" because the evidence is
hidden? Because this is what currently occurs - information is kept
hidden to protect globalist interests. People are bought out,
threatened or knocked off to keep information hidden.
In the absence of actual evidence, there is absolutely nothing wrong
with speculating about possible causes and reasons for why things
happen the way they do.
Ignoring existing evidence because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't
much better.
&
2017-03-08 06:38:52 UTC
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Post by &
Post by Duncan
And they say that only around 10% of cases of adverse reactions to
vaccines are ever reported.
They're not reported because as adverse reactions, they're minor,
resolving themselves quickly on their own.
Post by Duncan
And let's face it, there is speculation that cot deaths might be a side
effect of vaccination - how manyparents would report cot deaths as
possible symptom of vaccination. I think they'd be too caught up in
grief to even think about it.
If grief operated the way you say it does, the medical malpractice bar
would be starbing on the vine.
starving
Post by &
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf
Deaths by vaccines are listed in column 3.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate3_1_17.pdf
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html
Post by Duncan
The mainstream media is mostly disinformation - evidence is routinely
kept from public debate. So what is a person to do, just go along with
mainstream "experts and reliable sources" because the evidence is
hidden? Because this is what currently occurs - information is kept
hidden to protect globalist interests. People are bought out,
threatened or knocked off to keep information hidden.
In the absence of actual evidence, there is absolutely nothing wrong
with speculating about possible causes and reasons for why things
happen the way they do.
Ignoring existing evidence because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't
much better.
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2017-03-11 22:48:03 UTC
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Post by &
Post by Duncan
And they say that only around 10% of cases of adverse reactions to
vaccines are ever reported.
They're not reported because as adverse reactions, they're minor,
resolving themselves quickly on their own.
That's what they want you to think.
Post by &
Post by Duncan
And let's face it, there is speculation that cot deaths might be a side
effect of vaccination - how manyparents would report cot deaths as
possible symptom of vaccination. I think they'd be too caught up in
grief to even think about it.
If grief operated the way you say it does, the medical malpractice bar
would be starbing on the vine.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf
Deaths by vaccines are listed in column 3.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate3_1_17.pdf
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html
Post by Duncan
The mainstream media is mostly disinformation - evidence is routinely
kept from public debate. So what is a person to do, just go along with
mainstream "experts and reliable sources" because the evidence is
hidden? Because this is what currently occurs - information is kept
hidden to protect globalist interests. People are bought out,
threatened or knocked off to keep information hidden.
In the absence of actual evidence, there is absolutely nothing wrong
with speculating about possible causes and reasons for why things
happen the way they do.
Ignoring existing evidence because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't
much better.
Why don't you take your own advice?
&
2017-03-12 05:38:34 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:48:03 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by &
Post by Duncan
And they say that only around 10% of cases of adverse reactions to
vaccines are ever reported.
They're not reported because as adverse reactions, they're minor,
resolving themselves quickly on their own.
That's what they want you to think.
Nah.

That's what actually happens, and you have never provided
evidence to the contrary.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by &
Post by Duncan
And let's face it, there is speculation that cot deaths might be a side
effect of vaccination - how manyparents would report cot deaths as
possible symptom of vaccination. I think they'd be too caught up in
grief to even think about it.
If grief operated the way you say it does, the medical malpractice bar
would be starbing on the vine.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf
Deaths by vaccines are listed in column 3.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/vicpmonthlyreporttemplate3_1_17.pdf
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html
Post by Duncan
The mainstream media is mostly disinformation - evidence is routinely
kept from public debate. So what is a person to do, just go along with
mainstream "experts and reliable sources" because the evidence is
hidden? Because this is what currently occurs - information is kept
hidden to protect globalist interests. People are bought out,
threatened or knocked off to keep information hidden.
In the absence of actual evidence, there is absolutely nothing wrong
with speculating about possible causes and reasons for why things
happen the way they do.
Ignoring existing evidence because it doesn't fit your agenda isn't
much better.
Why don't you take your own advice?
The statement I made was not advice, nor intended as such.
It was an observation of what you do.

I do not ignore existing evidence, nor do I have an agenda.

On the other hand, you rarely if ever present evidence to support
your claims.

I hope that helps.
Mo Onions
2017-03-12 05:43:56 UTC
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On 3/11/2017 5:48 PM, Dodgy is as dodgy does wrote:
<snip>

Have you finished your homework on strokes yet?
Bob Officer
2017-03-12 19:19:30 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
<snip>
Have you finished your homework on strokes yet?
I wonder when she will realize the stoke is the action and the brain damage
is the end result. You treat the stoke to minimize the resulting brain
damage. Not all stroke result in large scale brain damage.

This is another case where Carole really doesn't know much but still
believes she should speak her mind, showing Kruger and Dunning were
correct. And she is the typical person which Mr Cleese is speaking about in
the video.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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