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SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
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Snake FourSixNineNine
2004-05-13 07:17:23 UTC
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WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv

AND

http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. ...
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
BY Roy Eccleston, Washington correspondent, and John Kerin
May 03, 2004
THE scandal over the US military's abuse of Iraqi prisoners
at a notorious Baghdad prison is deepening, with new claims
the possible war crimes were encouraged by American intelligence
officers wanting inmates "softened up" for interrogation.
Torture at Abu Ghraib (May 5, 2004)
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204B.shtml
American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the
responsibility go?
US military in torture scandal (April 30)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1206672,00.html
Use of private contractors in Iraqi jail interrogations highlighted
by inquiry into abuse of prisoners - Graphic photographs showing the
torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisonersin a US-run prison
outside Baghdad ....
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
A BRITISH captive freed from Guantanamo Bay today tells the
world of its full horror - and reveals how prostitutes were
taken into the camp to degrade Muslim inmates. (...) He said
detainees were shackled for up to 15 hours at a time in hand
and leg cuffs with metal links which cut into the skin.
Their "cells" were wire cages with concrete floors and
open to the elements - giving no privacy or protection from
the rats, snakes and scorpions loose around the American base.
He claims punishment beatings were handed out by guards
known as the Extreme Reaction Force. They waded into inmates
in full riot-gear, raining blows on them. Prisoners faced
psychological torture and mind-games in attempts to make them
confess to acts they had never committed. Even petty breaches
of rules brought severe punishment. Medical treatment was
sparse and brutal and amputations of limbs were more drastic
than required, claimed Jamal. A diet of foul water and food
up to 10 years out-of-date left inmates malnourished.
But Jamal's most shocking disclosure centred on the
use of vice girls to torment the most religiously
devout detainees. ...
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
(April 30, 2004) -- There is a real crisis of leadership
in Iraq -- with double standards and double speak on human
rights, Amnesty International said today. "The latest evidence
of torture and ill-treatment emerging from Abu Ghraib prison
will exacerbate an already fragile situation.
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
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Lord Bush
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The Burning Bush
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Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
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"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq, said
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for nearly
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of information
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
The creation of a genuine and not a fabricated history
for all practical purpose has just begun, although the
first attempts to define above all the true chronology
of the life of mankind were undertaken as early as the
17th century.
Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
2004-05-13 17:20:57 UTC
Permalink
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.

U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.

The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.

A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq, said
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for nearly
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of information
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
Coleah
2004-05-13 18:36:58 UTC
Permalink
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going to
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.

Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment of
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the life
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of 'observers'
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall while
gasping for air through the visible large opening.

How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?

It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or not.
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there was
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that country,
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is an
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp

I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back the
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into this
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.

Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would be
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.


======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq, said
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for nearly
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of information
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
2004-05-13 18:44:58 UTC
Permalink
Here is a thought not mentioned anywhere, so far...

Daniel Pearl was Jewish and beheaded.

Nick Berg was Jewish and beheaded.

A trend?
Post by Coleah
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going to
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.
Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment of
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the life
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of 'observers'
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall while
gasping for air through the visible large opening.
How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?
It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or not.
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there was
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that country,
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is an
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp
I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back the
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into this
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.
Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would be
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.
======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in
Iraq,
Post by Coleah
said
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for
nearly
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of
information
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-13 19:11:42 UTC
Permalink
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.

Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes. Half the prisoners
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.

Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.

In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.

In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.

Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.

Daniel
Post by Coleah
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going to
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.
Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment of
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the life
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of 'observers'
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall while
gasping for air through the visible large opening.
How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?
It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or not.
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there was
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that country,
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is an
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp
I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back the
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into this
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.
Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would be
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.
======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq,
said
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for
nearly
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of
information
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
Coleah
2004-05-13 19:21:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes. Half the prisoners
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Where can we look for the proof?
Vitamins are Chemicals
2004-05-13 20:09:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Coleah
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes. Half the prisoners
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Where can we look for the proof?
Of course not. If that jackass, Daniel, wants to talk about real mass murders,
he can check out all the bodies unearthed in Iraq.
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
2004-05-13 21:12:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn. Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?

Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Daniel
Post by Coleah
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going to
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.
Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment of
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the life
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of 'observers'
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall while
gasping for air through the visible large opening.
How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?
It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or not.
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there was
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that country,
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is an
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp
I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back the
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into this
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.
Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would be
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.
======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq,
said
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for
nearly
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of
information
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
BilZ0r
2004-05-14 02:35:08 UTC
Permalink
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
small tortoiseshell
2004-05-14 09:59:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
staged. he was dead already before be-heading .
Bob Ward
2004-05-14 20:42:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by small tortoiseshell
Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
staged. he was dead already before be-heading .
What "he" are you referring to, here?
Brooke
2004-05-14 20:47:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Ward
Post by small tortoiseshell
Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
staged. he was dead already before be-heading .
What "he" are you referring to, here?
They wanted you to believe he was alive.
"We are not in the trolling and kook business. We are in the
business of making a complete fool out of ourselves, aside
from the fact we're getting drug money kick backs for posting to Usenet."

--John B. Alexander, Edward Dames, David Green and Christopher "Kit' Green
Coleah
2004-05-14 21:38:14 UTC
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Post by Brooke
Post by Bob Ward
Post by small tortoiseshell
Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
staged. he was dead already before be-heading .
What "he" are you referring to, here?
They wanted you to believe he was alive.
I rewatched the video just now. (If you don't want to read descriptions of
it, please don't read further.)

It shows 5 terrorist standing behind Nick. The two on the right appear to
be looking at a piece of paper. The two on the left appear more attentive
to Nick who is on the floor. Then he is yanked to his side by the man in
the middle, as one man on the left (the only one with a white headcover)
removes his rifle and puts it on the floor, then puts his hands on the area
above Nicks elbows.

Other man goes to Nick's feet, but not visible after that. What appears to
be struggling could be from pushing and pulling of the body. I noted that
there was not any blood spurting. The hands remained strongly around Nick's
arms even after the movement stopped. The completion of the job is done and
in one smooth move the man with the white headcover stands up with the knife
in one hand and Nick's head in the other. It would lead one to think the
video was staged.
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-18 21:47:16 UTC
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Post by Coleah
Post by Brooke
They wanted you to believe he was alive.
I rewatched the video just now. (If you don't want to read descriptions of
it, please don't read further.)
It shows 5 terrorist standing behind Nick. The two on the right appear to
be looking at a piece of paper. The two on the left appear more attentive
to Nick who is on the floor. Then he is yanked to his side by the man in
the middle, as one man on the left (the only one with a white headcover)
removes his rifle and puts it on the floor, then puts his hands on the area
above Nicks elbows.
Other man goes to Nick's feet, but not visible after that. What appears to
be struggling could be from pushing and pulling of the body. I noted that
there was not any blood spurting. The hands remained strongly around Nick's
arms even after the movement stopped. The completion of the job is done and
in one smooth move the man with the white headcover stands up with the knife
in one hand and Nick's head in the other. It would lead one to think the
video was staged.
I checked the video and I completly agree that the guy was already dead.
Maybe the crazy guy around here will say that Jewish people don't bleed
when you cut their head off!

Daniel
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14, 2004
2004-05-14 21:42:08 UTC
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Post by Brooke
Post by Bob Ward
Post by small tortoiseshell
Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants? Whether they had
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
staged. he was dead already before be-heading .
What "he" are you referring to, here?
They wanted you to believe he was alive.
There is no question that they murdered a non-combatant prisoner, whether it
was as the video depicted, or before then. Thus, they demonstrated the same
despicable behavior that was shown when the Arab murderers beheaded Daniel
Pearl.

Assuming that Berg was dead, there is no question that they wanted to
portray themselves as blood thirsty animals. I will gladly oblige them and
acknowledge that they are. They consistently demonstrate it.

Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body of of a
dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with it if I did not
expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of Islam of infidels, and
Jews are more of an infidel than others (Christians are next).
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-18 21:38:42 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14, 2004
Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body of of a
dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with it if I did not
expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of Islam of infidels, and
Jews are more of an infidel than others (Christians are next).
What is your problem with Jews? It's not a sacrilege to mutilate
other bodies? Are you insane?

Your're making this war personal. Just go there and kill all
non-Jewshish people. That shure will make you a hero (sarcasm).

Daniel
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
2004-05-18 21:50:33 UTC
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Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14, 2004
Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body of of a
dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with it if I did not
expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of Islam of infidels, and
Jews are more of an infidel than others (Christians are next).
What is your problem with Jews?
Ihave no problem with Jews, as I am Jewish.

It's not a sacrilege to mutilate
Post by Daniel Pelchat
other bodies? Are you insane?
Please do not post self-referential statements.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your're making this war personal.
You have not been to war. I have.

War is personal.

Just go there and kill all
Post by Daniel Pelchat
non-Jewshish people. That shure will make you a hero (sarcasm).
Did you stop typing before making your point?
@Damski
2004-05-18 21:41:37 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14, 2004
There is no question that they murdered a non-combatant prisoner,
whether it was as the video depicted, or before then. Thus, they
demonstrated the same despicable behavior that was shown when the
Arab murderers beheaded Daniel Pearl.
Assuming that Berg was dead, there is no question that they wanted to
portray themselves as blood thirsty animals. I will gladly oblige
them and acknowledge that they are. They consistently demonstrate it.
Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body
of of a dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with
it if I did not expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of
Islam of infidels, and Jews are more of an infidel than others
(Christians are next).
So if mutilating the dead body of a Jew is sacrilege, what exactly was
firing SEVEN Hellfire anti tank missiles at a man in a wheel-chair about
then?
That also was a deliberate religous sacrilege, sincce Moslems also have
beliefs about the corpse and the afterlife. That is why after the killing
young Palestinians could be seen collecting parts of his body in plastic
bags, so they could bury him whole.
What is never mentioned is that every time Islamic Jihad or Hamas have
killed Israeli soldiers, either by explosion or gunfire, they have always
allowed the IDF, [Israeli Defence Force] to collect the bodies, in order to
honour Jewish funeral customs.
Unfortunatly the USA is being fed a diet of lies and misinfomation about
the situation in Iraq.
Of course the first casualty in any war is the truth, but what is so sad
is the number of otherwise intelligent people prepared to accept at face
value what they see on TV, about a subject they know next to nothing at all.

One fact remains though........US foreign policy is ALWAYS a disaster when
left to Republicans.
--
@Damski
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-18 22:25:38 UTC
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For every Jewish people, there are 3 Palestinians
killed. Isreal are moving the frontiers and
Palestinians have nothing to say. Even a mother
of a newborn have to live witought his husband.
They don't get water at all too. the Army on
Isreal moved the Frontiers around the wells.

I don't see Iraqians having fun totruring people.
But we see that a lot of Americans taking
pictures of "trophee people".

Daniel
Post by @Damski
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 14, 2004
There is no question that they murdered a non-combatant prisoner,
whether it was as the video depicted, or before then. Thus, they
demonstrated the same despicable behavior that was shown when the
Arab murderers beheaded Daniel Pearl.
Assuming that Berg was dead, there is no question that they wanted to
portray themselves as blood thirsty animals. I will gladly oblige
them and acknowledge that they are. They consistently demonstrate it.
Continuing the assumption that he was dead, they mutilated the body
of of a dead Jew, which is a a sacrilege. I would be more upset with
it if I did not expect this from them. They are purging the Zone of
Islam of infidels, and Jews are more of an infidel than others
(Christians are next).
So if mutilating the dead body of a Jew is sacrilege, what exactly was
firing SEVEN Hellfire anti tank missiles at a man in a wheel-chair about
then?
That also was a deliberate religous sacrilege, sincce Moslems also have
beliefs about the corpse and the afterlife. That is why after the killing
young Palestinians could be seen collecting parts of his body in plastic
bags, so they could bury him whole.
What is never mentioned is that every time Islamic Jihad or Hamas have
killed Israeli soldiers, either by explosion or gunfire, they have always
allowed the IDF, [Israeli Defence Force] to collect the bodies, in order to
honour Jewish funeral customs.
Unfortunatly the USA is being fed a diet of lies and misinfomation about
the situation in Iraq.
Of course the first casualty in any war is the truth, but what is so sad
is the number of otherwise intelligent people prepared to accept at face
value what they see on TV, about a subject they know next to nothing at all.
One fact remains though........US foreign policy is ALWAYS a disaster when
left to Republicans.
Koyaanisqatsi Fahrvergnugen
2004-05-22 12:23:16 UTC
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Post by @Damski
Of course the first casualty in any war is the truth, but what is so sad
is the number of otherwise intelligent people prepared to accept at face
value what they see on TV, about a subject they know next to nothing at all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4929336-103550,00.html

'US soldiers started to shoot us, one by one'

Survivors describe wedding massacre as generals refuse to apologise

Rory McCarthy in Ramadi
Friday May 21, 2004

The Guardian

The wedding feast was finished and the women had just led the young
bride and groom away to their marriage tent for the night when
Haleema Shihab heard the first sounds of the fighter jets screeching
through the sky above.

It was 10.30pm in the remote village of Mukaradeeb by the Syrian
border and the guests hurried back to their homes as the party ended.
As sister-in-law of the groom, Mrs Shihab, 30, was to sleep with her
husband and children in the house of the wedding party, the Rakat
family villa. She was one of the few in the house who survived
the night.


"The bombing started at 3am," she said yesterday from her bed in
the emergency ward at Ramadi general hospital, 60 miles west of
Baghdad. "We went out of the house and the American soldiers
started to shoot us. They were shooting low on the ground and
targeting us one by one," she said. She ran with her youngest
child in her arms and her two young boys, Ali and Hamza, close
behind. As she crossed the fields a shell exploded close to her,
fracturing her legs and knocking her to the ground.


She lay there and a second round hit her on the right arm.
By then her two boys lay dead. "I left them because they
were dead," she said. One, she saw, had been decapitated
by a shell.

"I fell into the mud and an American soldier came and kicked me.
I pretended to be dead so he wouldn't kill me. My youngest child
was alive next to me."

Mrs Shibab's description, backed by other witnesses, of an attack
on a sleeping village is at odds with the American claim that they
came under fire while targeting a suspected foreign fighter
safe house.

She described how in the hours before dawn she watched as
American troops destroyed the Rakat villa and the house next
door, reducing the buildings to rubble.

Another relative carried Mrs Shihab and her surviving child to
hospital. There she was told her husband Mohammed, the eldest
of the Rakat sons, had also died.

As Mrs Shihab spoke she gestured with hands still daubed
red-brown with the henna the women had used to decorate
themselves for the wedding. Alongside her in the ward
yesterday were three badly injured girls from the Rakat
family: Khalood Mohammed, aged just a year and struggling
for breath, Moaza Rakat, 12, and Iqbal Rakat, 15, whose
right foot doctors had already amputated.

By the time the sun rose on Wednesday over the Rakat family
house, the raid had claimed 42 lives, according to Hamdi
Noor al-Alusi, manager of the al-Qaim general hospital, the
nearest to the village.

Among the dead were 27 members of the extended Rakat family,
their wedding guests and even the band of musicians hired to
play at the ceremony, among them Hussein al-Ali from Ramadi,
one of the most popular singers in western Iraq.

Dr Alusi said 11 of the dead were women and 14 were children.
"I want to know why the Americans targeted this small village,"
he said by telephone. "These people are my patients. I know
each one of them. What has caused this disaster?"

Despite the compelling testimony of Mrs Shihab, Dr Alusi and
other wedding guests, the US military, faced with apparent
evidence of yet another scandal in Iraq, offered an
inexplicably different account of the operation.

The military admitted there had been a raid on the village
at 3am on Wednesday but said it had targeted a "suspected
foreign fighter safe house".

"During the operation, coalition forces came under hostile fire
and close air support was provided," it said in a statement.
Soldiers at the scene then recovered weapons, Iraqi dinar and
Syrian pounds (worth approximately £800), foreign passports and
a "Satcom radio", presumably a satellite telephone.

"We took ground fire and we returned fire," said Brigadier
General Mark Kimmitt, deputy director of operations for the
US military in Iraq. "We estimate that around 40 were killed.
But we operated within our rules of engagement."

Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine
Division, was scathing of those who suggested a wedding
party had been hit. "How many people go to the middle of
the desert ... to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the
nearest civilisation? These were more than two dozen
military-age males. Let's not be naive."

When reporters asked him about footage on Arabic television
of a child's body being lowered into a grave, he replied:
"I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars.
I don't have to apologise for the conduct of my men."

The celebration at Mukaradeeb was to be one of the biggest
events of the year for a small village of just 25 houses.
Haji Rakat, the father, had finally arranged a long-negotiated
tribal union that would bring together two halves of one
large extended family, the Rakats and the Sabahs.

Haji Rakat's second son, Ashad, would marry Rutba, a cousin
from the Sabahs. In a second ceremony one of Ashad's female
cousins, Sharifa, would marry a young Sabah boy, Munawar.

A large canvas awning had been set up in the garden of the
Rakat villa to host the party. A band of musicians was called
in, led by Hamid Abdullah, who runs the Music of Arts
recording studio in Ramadi, the nearest major town.

He brought his friend Hussein al-Ali, a popular Iraqi singer
who performs on Ramadi's own television channel. A handful
of other musicians including the singer's brother Mohaned,
played the drums and the keyboards.

The ceremonies began on Tuesday morning and stretched through
until the late evening. "We were happy because of the wedding.
People were dancing and making speeches," said Ma'athi Nawaf, 55,
one of the neighbours.

Late in the evening the guests heard the sound of jets
overhead. Then in the distance they saw the headlights
of what appeared to be a military convoy heading their
way across the desert.

The party ended at around 10.30pm and the neighbours left
for their homes. At 3am the bombing began. "The first thing
they bombed was the tent for the ceremony," said Mr Nawaf.
"We saw the family running out of the house. The bombs were
falling, destroying the whole area."

Armoured military vehicles then drove into the village,
firing machine guns and supported by attack helicopters.
"They started to shoot at the house and the people outside
the house," he said.

Before dawn two large Chinook helicopters descended and
offloaded dozens of troops. They appeared to set explosives
in the Rakat house and the building next door and minutes
later, just after the Chinooks left again, they exploded
into rubble.

"I saw something that nobody ever saw in this world," said
Mr Nawaf. "There were children's bodies cut into pieces,
women cut into pieces, men cut into pieces."

Among the dead was his daughter Fatima Ma'athi, 25, and
her two young boys, Raad, four, and Raed, six. "I found
Raad dead in her arms. The other boy was lying beside her.
I found only his head," he said. His sister Simoya, the
wife of Haji Rakat, was also killed with her two daughters.
"The Americans call these people foreign fighters. It is a
lie. I just want one piece of evidence of what they
are saying."

Remarkably among the survivors were the two married couples,
who had been staying in tents away from the main house, and
Haji Rakat himself, an elderly man who had gone to bed early
in a nearby house.

From the mosques of Ramadi volunteers had been called to
dig at the graveyard of the tribe, on the southern
outskirts of the city.

There lay 27 graves: mounds of dirt each marked with a
single square of crudely cut marble, a name scribbled in
black paint. Some gave more than one name, and one,
belonging to a woman Hamda Suleman, the briefest of
explanations: "The American bombing."

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4929336-103550,00.html


Robert S. McNamara's 11 lessons from his life in politics.
-----------
Lesson # 1. Empathize with your enemy.
Lesson # 2. Rationality will not save us.
Lesson # 3. There's something beyond one's self.
Lesson # 4. Maximize efficiency.
Lesson # 5. Proportionality should be a guideline in war.
Lesson # 6. Get the data.
Lesson # 7. Belief and seeing are both often wrong.
Lesson # 8. Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning.
Lesson # 9. In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil.
Lesson #10. Never say never.
Lesson #11. You can't change human nature.
-----------
The Fog Of War:
http://www.sonyclassics.com/fogofwar/
Post by @Damski
"... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds." [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
Post by @Damski
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Note that 46% rating in upcoming presidential polls.
America seems lost to the jesus freaks, sadly.
Maybe the pendulum will swing back one day
when we're all on the brink of madness and death.
IT WILL PROBABLY BE TOO LATE BY THEN. WHOOOPEEE!!
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
2004-05-14 13:23:07 UTC
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Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a
NON-COMABTANT is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both
NON-COMBATANTS were jewish. What does that tell you???
Dude, you don't think america has killed non-combatants?
Did I say anything to lead you to "think" I would think that?

Whether they had
Post by BilZ0r
there head sawed off, or were trapped under cruise-missel targeted buildings,
they still died horrible deaths.
The difference is, and try to understand this without drawing incorrect
inferences, is a matter of intent.

The US has attemtped to avoid killing non-combatants for a long time.
BilZ0r
2004-05-16 21:50:27 UTC
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-13-04
@limbercartel.com> wrote in news:%K3pc.4919$eJ3.562761
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
The difference is, and try to understand this without drawing incorrect
inferences, is a matter of intent.
The US has attemtped to avoid killing non-combatants for a long time.
Well it's done a pretty piss-poor job of it for a very long time. I mean,
you guys can't even keep from killing allied soldiers and even American
soldiers. And in all honestly, they don't really avoid killing non-
combatants, they do a cost-benefit analysis of the risks. In the American
armed forces don't put a very high cost on killing poor people in countries
they don't like. Hence, even at quite high risks of them dying, missiles
still fly.
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
2004-05-17 13:43:41 UTC
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Post by BilZ0r
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 05-13-04
@limbercartel.com> wrote in news:%K3pc.4919$eJ3.562761
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
The difference is, and try to understand this without drawing incorrect
inferences, is a matter of intent.
The US has attemtped to avoid killing non-combatants for a long time.
Well it's done a pretty piss-poor job of it for a very long time. I mean,
you guys can't even keep from killing allied soldiers and even American
soldiers.
Ever been in combat? Probably not.
Post by BilZ0r
And in all honestly, they don't really avoid killing non-
combatants, they do a cost-benefit analysis of the risks.
Sure they do.

In the American
Post by BilZ0r
armed forces don't put a very high cost on killing poor people in countries
they don't like. Hence, even at quite high risks of them dying, missiles
still fly.
Yes, you do hate the USA.
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-18 21:32:25 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by BilZ0r
they don't like. Hence, even at quite high risks of them dying, missiles
still fly.
Yes, you do hate the USA.
Let's get real here. I proved to you that they are killing
people left and right (COMBATTANT or NON-COMBATTANT) and
finding it funny. Toturing and humiliating them and taking
pictures. That means they are cruel and idiots. Nothing new
here.

Now we learn that you were part of them. What must me think?

People who try to stop people to kill each other are
not American haters. They are crazy people haters.

Daniel
@Damski
2004-05-18 21:55:45 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Yes, you do hate the USA.
--
Instead of getting all heated up about it, why don't you sit down and ask
yourself WHY people hate, not the USA as a whole, not the people or the
land, but the present administration..
If you answer the question honestly you will come to the conclusion it is
because
1] They rip up international laws and treaties when it suits them,
2] They lie and decieve even those who are supposedly their friends
3] They refuse to agree to comporomise, and do as they wish based on
their strength.
4] They ally themselves with despicable regimes and prevent freedom
movements according to US $$ interests, while pretending that they are the
great protector of human rights. For example they get rid of Saddam, yet
back the Saudi Royal family, which has an eqally bad, if not worse human
rights record as Iraq. Now in Iraq they commit the same abuses Saddam
committed.
5] They start the first war of aggression onvolving a major power since
1945
6] They promise military violence against anyone who disagrees

If you moved into a house and had a neighbour who after some time ripped
up all the community agreements that didn't suit him, Lied to those he
called his freinds, refused any attempt at compromise, as well as making
friends with all the bullies and bad guys in your neighbourhood, then
started a neighbourhood gang fight, and told everyone that they were "Either
with us or against us"...............Don't you think you would start to hate
your neighbour.

You Yanks are so worried about people *liking* you, yet you carry on in
such a despicable manner...............Well, all I can say if you wanna do
better in the popularity contest.......GET RID OF BUSH.


@Damski
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-14 07:12:25 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn. Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?
It was from a TV shoe in France.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.
And IRAQ was your business? Why?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Why? Cause some American got killed?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Daniel
Post by Coleah
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going
to
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.
Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment
of
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the
life
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of
'observers'
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall
while
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
gasping for air through the visible large opening.
How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?
It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or
not.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there
was
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that
country,
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is
an
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp
I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back
the
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into
this
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.
Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would
be
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.
======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq,
said
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for
nearly
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of
information
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
2004-05-14 13:24:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
We were beheading people? Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal. They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn. Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?
It was from a TV shoe in France.
A French TV is hardly what I would call objective.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.
And IRAQ was your business? Why?
Read up on it.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Why? Cause some American got killed?
No, because it was not our business. They were no threat, current or future.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Daniel
Post by Coleah
What a horrible thing for the family to know exists. I saw Nick Berg's
father on television and am moved to send a financial donation to the
family. It won't bring their son back, but the entire family is going
to
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
need counseling and healing to cope with this event.
Years ago there were other videos online that showed similar treatment
of
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
their own people. Except the victim was wrapped and tied tightly in a
sleeping bag type body bag, while his throat was slit open allowing the
life
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
blood to gush in a violent stream. The scene showed a line of
'observers'
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
casually watching the chest of the body exaggeratedly rise and fall
while
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
gasping for air through the visible large opening.
How should this type of behavior be stopped?
Capture them, feed them tranquilizers or natural relaxers?
It doesn't matter if it is a military action the U.S. is involved in or
not.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
That uncivilized behavior goes on. How can random bands of savages be
eradicated?
When a young couple who worked in the same location as I did at Intel in
1999 went to Africa http://www.ugandamission.org/news/Bwindi.htm there
was
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
no U.S. military action going on. Yet they were beheaded in that
country,
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
much to the horror of their family, co-workers and community. Here is
an
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
excerpt from a book written by their guide about the last days of their
lives. http://www.booksense.com/readup/excerpts/dangerousbeauty.jsp
I guess the U.S. could back out of the mid east and let things go back
the
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
way they were.
But we'd have score of people wanting to get away and be accepted into
this
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
country.....a country that is becoming overrun with oppressed immigrants
already. We can't bring all the oppressed HERE.
Instead of mocking our President as the focus of this thread, it would
be
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
productive to engage in problem solving solutions that may result in a
win-win-win situation.
======================
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Al Qaeda supporter "probably" beheaded American - May 13 2004
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
probably was the one who beheaded American Nick Berg on a video
shown this week on an Islamist Web site, a U.S. official says.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been analysing the video that
has poor audio quality, and while the technical analysis was
not complete, it was "quite probably" Zarqawi who wielded the
knife, the official told Reuters on Thursday.
The intelligence analysis so far is leaning toward "Zarqawi
personally is the voice heard on the tape and that the person
whose voice is on the tape is also the person who wields the
knife," the official said on condition of anonymity.
A Web site video on Tuesday showed five masked men standing
behind Berg. One of them read a statement urging Muslims to
seek revenge for Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The masked men then pushed Berg to the floor and one of them
sawed the American's head off with a large knife and held
the head up for the camera.
http://tinyurl.com/2dvhu
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
WWW.OGRISH.COM : GROTESQUE MOVIES AND PICTURES
Ogrish.com : Can you handle life?
The Savage Murder of Nick Berg
http://www.ogrish.com/ogrish-dot-com-american_beheading_in_iraq_small.wmv
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
AND
http://www.dataaxiom.net/
File name: iraq2vediom.wmv - 5MB
The video link is at the top of the first page.
... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds. [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
------------------------------------------
"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
IMPEACH DNA!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9451235%255E2703,00.html
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
US spies 'urged abuse' of prisoners
British Troops in Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050204D.shtml
U.S. Military in Iraq Torture Scandal
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050104A.shtml
My Hell In Camp X-Ray (March 12, 2004)
http://tinyurl.com/29w34
Torture Not Isolated -- Independent Investigations Needed
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140172004
Welcome to Earth.
... "the freedom to
believe nonsense is
one of the most basic
human liberties".
[[[({<snip>>})]]]
Tele-Immersion at the electronic visualization laboratory
http://www.evl.uic.edu/cavern/
---------------------------------------------------------------
There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded
as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism,
doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent,
law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq,
that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having
once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from
daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally
transforming their embattled country into a magnet for
all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists?
How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated
according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world
order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?]
-Antediluvian Patriarch [From: Sun, 16 Nov 2003]
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5692/murals03.jpg
"Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American."
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/Al_Zarqawi.htm
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
"The parents of Nick Berg, the American civilian beheaded in Iraq,
said
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
on Tuesday their son might be alive if he had not been held for
nearly
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
two weeks by Iraqi police and they were angry at the lack of
information
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
from the United States government about his detention."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=Nick+Berg+incarcerated+by+US
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
Iraq Militants Claim al-Zarqawi Is Dead
Al Qaida-linked extremist suspected of planning attacks
Undated photo of suspected al-Qaida commander Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
The Associated Press [Updated: 6:31 a.m. ET March 04, 2004]
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1228&page=2
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Coleah
Post by Monkey FourSevenZeroOne
Post by Snake FourSixNineNine
http://www.google.com/search?q=Iraq+Militants+Claim+al-Zarqawi+Is+Dead
http://www.rense.com/
THE MEDIEVAL EMPIRE OF THE ISRAELITES
http://www.new-tradition.org/
Serious scientific facts have been collected in
this book which prove that as early as the 12th
century A.D, all of Eurasia was pagan, and human
sacrifice and slavery prospered in Europe.
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-17 01:16:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.

I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.

What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
We were beheading people?
Never said that.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.
Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
What is your problem with Jewish people?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn.
Are you saying you don't care?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?
It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
We saw the blood on asphalt.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.
And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly? And Koweit
was your Businnes? And Vietnam was your Businnes?
And North Korea?

Are you taking Bush shit side? Please answer this one.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.
Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Daniel
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
2004-05-17 13:51:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.
I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.
If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
We were beheading people?
Never said that.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.
Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.
Non-combatants do not volunteer to take that risk.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
What is your problem with Jewish people?
Being one myself, none. However, one notes that both were Jewish and this
makes for an interesting coincidence.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn.
Are you saying you don't care?
I am saying that the story smells of a yarn, made up, exercise in fiction
writing.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?
It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.
To document that yarn? Can you provide a reviewable reference?
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
We saw the blood on asphalt.
WEho is "we" and where can one see for themselves?
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business. The solution was better left to African
countries.
And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly?
A country that had produced and used WMD in the past that invaded two of its
enighbors. A country that would easily restart its WMD program as soon as
the last inspector left. A country that would use oil as an ecomonic weapon,
wonce it dominated the area with its WMDs.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And Koweit
was your Businnes?
See above.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And Vietnam was your Businnes?
At the time, there was the idea that we were containing communism.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And North Korea?
NK is a country with a clear program to build and maintain WMDs, with an
intercontinental deployment capacity.
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Are you taking Bush shit side? Please answer this one.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Nice sentiments from you. FOAD.
Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Daniel
bob
2004-05-17 20:23:41 UTC
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.
I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.
If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.
I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?
M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
2004-05-17 21:09:23 UTC
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Post by bob
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.
I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.
If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.
I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?
With the peter Luger's caveat thown in....

So, what does everyone think of the Iraqis using old sarin filled arty
shells as roadside bombs? Didn;t they say that these were destroyed? Did
someone lie?
Coleah
2004-05-17 21:33:32 UTC
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by bob
"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there? All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.
I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.
If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange
to
Post by bob
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.
I would like to buy the Williamsburg Bridge. What kind of deal can you
get me? Could you add a meal a week for four at Peter Luger's to the
deal?
With the peter Luger's caveat thown in....
So, what does everyone think of the Iraqis using old sarin filled arty
shells as roadside bombs? Didn;t they say that these were destroyed? Did
someone lie?
I'm becoming disillusioned by the Iragi situation as time goes on.
It feels like things are right back the way they started, except
Sadam Hussein is not in power. The people of Iraqi who were
oppressed don't seem to be standing up for themselves to
ward off this new religious leader who is trying to take over.

At least I'm not seeing enough reports of the Iraqi people
joining us, organizing and fighting them off. I hear that they
are being threatened with death if they help the Americans
(chop, chop....this could happen to you stuff on television).

If they want a better life for themselves and future generations
I guess I expect them to hang their ass on the line for
democracy just as much (if not more) as the Americans are.
We can't hang around forever jumping out and saying "boo"
to their bad guys for them.
@Damski
2004-05-18 22:07:14 UTC
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Post by Coleah
I'm becoming disillusioned by the Iragi situation as time goes on.
It feels like things are right back the way they started, except
Sadam Hussein is not in power. The people of Iraqi who were
oppressed don't seem to be standing up for themselves to
ward off this new religious leader who is trying to take over.
At least I'm not seeing enough reports of the Iraqi people
joining us, organizing and fighting them off. I hear that they
are being threatened with death if they help the Americans
(chop, chop....this could happen to you stuff on television).
If they want a better life for themselves and future generations
I guess I expect them to hang their ass on the line for
democracy just as much (if not more) as the Americans are.
We can't hang around forever jumping out and saying "boo"
to their bad guys for them.
That's the most stupid thing I have ever seen written in my life.........For
chrisssakes the people of the Soviet Union took nearly ten years before they
started to think for themselves, and they weren't brutalised anything like
as much as the Iraqi's
IN Iraq showing signs of independant thinking got you suspended from the
cieling by your balls, with an electric cord up yer arse...........and you
expect then to start "standing up for themselves" in just over one year????

Come on. The US already made the big mistake in Iraq when it said that no
Ba'ath party members could be part of the new administration, when being a
Ba'ath party member was the only way to a half decent life in Saddam's Iraq.
For someone to be of the educated class and not join the Ba'ath party they
may as well have just cut their throat and saved Saddam the job.

You my friend, like so many Americans, are amazed to find out the world
is not just one big extension of the United States, and "different Cultures"
means more than just having a Pepsi or Coca-Cola.
--
@Damski
Daniel Pelchat
2004-05-18 12:49:33 UTC
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Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
They said on that video that they tried to exchange the
guy against prisoner and the USA refused. I agree that
was horrible but that is their way of getting the
attention to the horrible thing POW were getting from
Americans.
You know that Cuba didnt sign the Geneva covention?
Why do you think America have an "amusement park"
there?
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2002-07/11/article22.shtml
LOS ANGELES, July 11 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - The U.S. detention
of prisoners from the Afghan conflict at a military outpost in Cuba is
“un-American,” human rights advocates said Wednesday, July 10, as they
sought to revive a legal challenge to the practice.

The claim came six months after the first shackled detainees from the
U.S. war in Afghanistan were flown to the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo
Bay in Cuba where 534 men from 39 countries are now being held in a
state of legal limbo.

Rights advocates opposing the legality and of the detentions on behalf
of some of the prisoners, who have been denied access to legal counsel,
asked an appeals court to overturn an earlier judgment that threw out
their case, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.

“Our laws prohibit holding them the way we’re holding them,” said
Stephen Yagman, the attorney for the group of clergy, lawyers and
journalists challenging the detentions. “It’s a paradox, un-American,”
he added.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
All the important prisonners are there and
tortured everyday. Not just a head cut. Taking the
same guy day after day and torturing him with
electricity and other stuff.
I agree that the guy who got his head cut was horrible
but they give the reason they did that, they gave a
chance the the Americans to exchange the guy.
If you really believe that they would have released him, I can arrange to
sell you a bridge that goes to Brooklyn.
They arrange exchange of prisoners almost everyday.
Thay chose to not exchange this one. Maybe because
he's Jewish?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
What I see is lots of American Army men and women
torturing people and laughing.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
We were beheading people?
What is worst a coutry that is claimed by Amrrican to
be non-civilized who cut he dead guy head or the same
people tortured EVERY DAY for year by this same
"civilized" country.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Get a damn clue. What they did to a NON-COMABTANT
is criminal.
Completely agree. Why do you have to make a distinction
with NON-COMBATANT. It's crimival anyway.
Non-combatants do not volunteer to take that risk.
A Jewish guy who goes to IRAQ these days is taking a risk,
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
They also murdeed Daniel Pearl. Both NON-COMBATANTS were
jewish. What does that tell you???
What is your problem with Jewish people?
Being one myself, none. However, one notes that both were Jewish and this
makes for an interesting coincidence.
American killed thousands NON-COMBATTANT in Afghanista.
They were all Afghan, what does that tell you?
What do you think of that?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Americans army men killed 5000 thousands afghans cause
there was no place anymore in prison. They placed them
in big containers and when people began to yell cause
there was no air, they fired the container with
machine gun to make some holes.
Nice yarn.
Are you saying you don't care?
I am saying that the story smells of a yarn, made up, exercise in fiction
writing.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2566397
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1752863.stm
VERY IMPORTANT:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0305/S00151.htm
There is even an realaudio clip.
It tells the story of thousands of prisoners who surrendered to the US
military’s Afghan allies after the siege of Kunduz. According to
eyewitnesses, some three thousand of the prisoners were forced into
sealed containers and loaded onto trucks for transport to Sheberghan
prison. Eyewitnesses say when the prisoners began shouting for air,
U.S.-allied Afghan soldiers fired directly into the truck, killing many
of them. The rest suffered through an appalling road trip lasting up to
four days, so thirsty they clawed at the skin of their fellow prisoners
as they licked perspiration and even drank blood from open wounds.

Witnesses say that when the trucks arrived and soldiers opened the
containers, most of the people inside were dead. They also say US
Special Forces re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead
into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried. Now, up
to three thousand bodies lie buried in a mass grave.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/pows-f05.shtml
Will you be able to read this one?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/uswarcrimes/uswarcrimesiraq/ususeofchemweapons.html

I found those link in two minutes. Why didn't you do it before
your country and yourself look like fools.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Got real proof from non-hate-America at all costs source?
It was on CBC (canadian public company). Real pictures of
fields of bones and pictures of full prisons.
To document that yarn? Can you provide a reviewable reference?
Check above.You were too lazy to find them.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Half the prisoners
Post by Daniel Pelchat
were killed. The blood was pouring down all the road.
We saw the blood on asphalt.
WEho is "we" and where can one see for themselves?
Everybody whot turn on his TV sation. You know that
outside USA, we don't all watch Baywatch. I think
you can too in America. At dinner, Information last
1h30 to 2h00 depending on the station and one hour
more in the evening. Not counting all the other
politics shows that invite people from all around
the world.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
The people who survived were 5 days in it under big
sun. They had to drink the blood from the dead people.
When they arrived, they got all killed and got buried
by bulldozers. They showed the big fields with bones
everywhere.
Nothing to be proud of being Americans. They don't
show that on your TV.
When something is not your business? When no chance of
making money is around
That is so selfish. One million persons got killed there
and it wasn't your country. Koweit hah almost none people
killed and you went there very fast, they had petroleum!

Here is a report on what happenned from Americans :
US chose to ignore Rwandan genocide
Classified papers show Clinton was aware of 'final solution'
to eliminate Tutsis
Rory Carroll in Johannesburg
Wednesday March 31, 2004
The Guardian
President Bill Clinton's administration knew Rwanda was
being engulfed by genocide in April 1994 but buried the
information to justify its inaction, according to
classified documents made available for the first time.
Senior officials privately used the word genocide within
16 days of the start of the killings, but chose not to do
so publicly because the president had already decided not
to intervene. Intelligence reports obtained using the US
Freedom of Information Act show the cabinet and almost
certainly the president had been told of a planned
"final solution to eliminate all Tutsis" before the
slaughter reached its peak. It took Hutu death squads
three months from April 6 to murder an estimated 800,000
Tutsis and moderate Hutus and at each stage accurate,

detailed reports were reaching Washington's top policymakers.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In Rwanda, Americans left the country even if they knew
what was going on. One million people were killed after
that. One Canadian general went into depression cause
he had friends there who were getting killed every day.
Rwanda was not our business.
The solution was better left to African
countries.
For Rwanda:
http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/2004/04211.htm
For Somalia :
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/rwanda/sega3.html
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And IRAQ is your business? What was the reason to
attack them. I don't remember exactly?
A country that had produced and used WMD in the past
You will always be on war with them cause they used
to produce WMD?

In the past is a key word. They sent lots of specialists
and they found nothing but the war with IRAQ was in Bush
Shit agenda. "In his axes of Evil". You can't believe how
much people laugh at this one. Even Army Men didn't find
amuthing.

I'm pretty sure they will find Bin-Laden and WMD just
before the elections.

What other coutry used WMD in the past. Hundreds on thoudands
of people killed with only two bombs? Is it America?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
that invaded two of its
Didn't you that with Canada and Mexico? You remember
Fort Alamo? Why does LA is a Spanish name? And all cites
in Southern California? You had a civil war to repossess
states that wanted to quit the USA. How much people did
you kill? What was your interest in that? Was there oil?
I thought you defended freedom? Probalby a word you don't
know at all.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
enighbors. A country that would easily restart its WMD program as soon as
the last inspector left.
You are as paranoid as Bush Shit. You will kill hundreds
or thousands of people cause "you think" they may start
a WMD programm. Start your war engine poor guy.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
A country that would use oil as an ecomonic weapon,
Do you know that for each American that are killed.
30 IRAQ civils are killed? I think they are NON-COMBATTANT
and I think they're all people from IRAQ, Do you see
a pattern here?

You used a blocus as economical weapon against Cuba,
People suffered cause they can't export lots of good
fruit and vegetables to Florida who are very near them.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
wonce it dominated the area with its WMDs.
And you are dominating their area with WMDs.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And Koweit
was your Businnes?
See paranoid Bush shit.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And Vietnam was your Businnes?
At the time, there was the idea that we were containing
communism.
What can't you say "MISTAKE". Is is too hard for you?
You are an American, you and your goverment can't be wrong!

And now what is the Idea? You are countaning Islam?
I'm sorry for that but it's too late.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
And North Korea?
NK is a country with a clear program to build and maintain WMDs, with an
intercontinental deployment capacity.
And China, France, USA, UK, India etc. OK let's attack
all coutries that buy weapon only if we are sure of
winning. Lets' get the hell out of Somalia and
Rwanda, those people are not human (sarcasm).
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Are you taking Bush shit side? Please answer this one.
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
In your movie Black Hawk Down, we see heroes in Somalia.
The fact is that after a few deaths that we saw in the
movie, the American army left the country and there
was a big genocide there too.
We should never have gone in there.
Why? You are not part of NATO? You're not supposed
to help democracy?
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 17, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Post by M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004
Post by Daniel Pelchat
Your government is full of shit. They only get involved
when they are risking to lose money. They don't defend
democracy at all. I hope that you won't vote to that
Bush Shit anymore. They control the media too.
Go back and put your pink tainted glasses.

Daniel
Coleah
2004-05-18 18:21:01 UTC
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"Daniel Pelchat" <***@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:mDnqc.77780$***@weber.videotron.net...

If you had the absolute power to deal with the situation after 9-11, how
would you have handled it?

If you had the absolute power to do something about a country with a
dictator killing his own people by the thousands and the rest living in fear
and poverty, how would you?
Pontifex Maximus
2004-05-14 05:06:42 UTC
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Apology/Forgiveness
Days of Atonement
http://www.science-spirit.org/

The history of forgiveness is a story
of rituals and bargains. In the ancient
world, the pattern was simple: Humans
erred, repented, and sacrificed; the
gods forgave wrongs. Somewhere along
the line, however, we started
expecting mercy not only from the
divine, but also from each other.

by Paul O'Donnell

The Dalai Lama's "Words of Wisdom" calendar for January 26 of
this year read: "Forgiveness does not mean just to forget about
what happened. You should use memory and experience to develop
positive energy."

This bit of advice from the leader of Tibetan Buddhism frames
forgiveness as not only the right thing to do, but also as a
virtue that gives back to the forgiver the benefits of
positive energy. It seems like a plum the Tibetan Buddhist
leader would pluck ripe from his 2,400-year-old tradition,
making Western ideas about forgiveness as a divine command
seem overwrought and self-defeating.

But forgiveness, either in the sense of forgetting what
happened or of developing positive energy, doesn't have
much of a history at all in Buddhism. As a religious concept,
forgiveness appears to be a Christian innovation, born not of
any regard for psychological hygiene, but of millennia of
sacrifice to a jealous Yahweh and the conquering influence
of Greek thought. In its original conception in the Christian
gospels, forgiveness seems to have simply meant forgetting
about what happened; the kind of forgiveness the Dalai Lama
recommends is an entirely modern construct.

For many centuries before Jesus' birth, forgiveness in the
West was something bought, wholesale, from the divine.
In agrarian communities--from Turkey to Mesopotamia and
down through Egypt--society depended on rain and calm,
warm weather for growing crops and peaceful relations with
neighbors to harvest them. When faced with storms,
earthquakes, or invading armies, it was thought that the
gods were angry at the way locals had been running their
lives. Repentance was signified by sacrifice of livestock
or crops, and the gods, it was understood, forgave the wrong.

This relationship, however, was tenuous. Looking to secure
the gods' constant forgiveness, the ancient West
institutionalized sacrifice, dedicating priests who made
their living receiving tribute for the deities.
The gods "would fly into a rage if it so much as looked
as if you were going to step on a rule," says Gregory Riley,
who teaches history of religion at the Claremont School of
Theology in California. "The priests were essentially
feeding the gods what they needed." Personal forgiveness
goes all but unmentioned in the ancient world.

Yet what we mean today by "forgiveness"--an emotional
transaction between two humans--has its roots in this
sacrificial bargain. Judaism was one of these temple
cults and, as in other Middle Eastern sects, forgiveness
belonged to God. "Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin
offering to make atonement," the Lord commands the
priestly Aaron and his sons in Exodus. Subsequent books
in the Torah codify precisely how and where to perform
the rites and what could be expected if the contract
wasn't honored: "The fruit of your womb will be cursed,
and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds
and the lambs of your flocks," warns Deuteronomy 28.
"You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when
you go out."

Such a legalistic arrangement between God and man bred a
similar code among humans: Lex Talionis, or the law of
retaliation, a belief reflected in the Old Testament.
Properly understood, "An eye for an eye" is not a
barbarian standard of justice but a matter of piety.
The Jews, in fact, weren't alone in thinking this.
The Greeks, whose Zeus was a fiercely jealous god, shared
Judaism's strict insistence on equity.

As they slowly left behind their belief in demanding gods
and vindictive Furies, the Greeks were well disposed to
discover forgiveness for themselves, and they nearly did.
Stoicism, a school of philosophy born some 300 years before
Christ, believed wisdom lay in the imperturbable mind;
anger and resentment only blocked personal growth. In the
Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle comes close to our notion of
equity and mercy, "but nothing like the Judeo-Christian
forgiveness," says Arizona State University philosophy
professor Jeffrie G. Murphy, author of Getting Even:
Forgiveness and Its Limits.

As Judaism continued to refine monotheism--with some help,
perhaps, from Aristotle's ideas about a unitary,
self-sufficient divinity that had spread eastward--the
conditions for a broader forgiveness came together. Even as
the High Priests were conducting sacrifices morning and
evening in the Jerusalem temple, God was increasingly seen
as residing above all the blood and smoke. Jesus saw that
a God who didn't need feeding to grant his forgiveness might
be approached directly. "Jesus looks up and says, ‘Look at
me, God, I'm a sinner,'" says Riley. From his reading of
the Dead Sea Scrolls, Riley believes it's possible the
Gnostics may have already reached the same point in their
relationship with God. But it is Jesus we first see appealing
directly to the God of the Old Testament as a father,
expecting forgiveness to be given freely.

The dynamic of forgiveness was profoundly changed: Atonement's
strict line between heaven and Earth was turned into a triangle,
or rather a web connecting all of us to God. If humans were to
seek forgiveness individually from the Father, it was obvious
that we would be expected to forgive one another. In the parable
of the 10,000 talents, Jesus shows how this gambit works.
Those who are forgiven, as the servant in Matthew 18 is freed
from his debts, are to forgive others. When the forgiven servant
doesn't forgive his fellow a much lesser amount, the parable says
he is "turned over to the jailers to be tortured."

It's little wonder the priestly Jewish establishment, who owed
its power to a grasp on the sacrifice industry, so to speak,
reacted badly to Jesus' democratization of forgiveness. In his
teaching, the price of forgiveness becomes not a lamb or bird
for sacrifice, but extending forgiveness to others. Failure to
do so results not in suffering for the whole community, but in
no forgiveness for you.

It's little wonder, too, that other major religions, like
Buddhism or Hinduism, have such different notions of
interpersonal forgiveness, since sacrifice is either absent
or understood very differently. Far from asking God's
forgiveness, Hindus are charged with forgiving the deity for
so blithely bringing suffering. In his book, The Hungry God,
Sanskrit scholar David Dean Shulman examines a mythical Hindu
family's struggle to forgive Siva after he visits their house
and demands their child be killed for his dinner. As a response
to such random acts of destruction, Hinduism seeks an emotional
purity not unlike the Stoics' ideal. "Emotions are like a lake
in which you can only see the self, the atman, clearly when
the water is still," offers University of Chicago divinity
professor Wendy Doniger.

Similarly, Buddhism holds that we are all responsible for
our own fate, good and bad, through the concept of karma.
"If there is no idea of sin," Buddhist historian Donald
Lopez points out, "there is nothing to be forgiven."
The Dalai Lama's claim for the vaguely therapeutic properties
of forgiveness grows from the late nineteenth century, when
Asians of various faiths countered the scientific rationalism
of colonizing Europeans by stressing the physical benefits of
their native religions, a bent that works out today in yoga's
near total detachment from Hinduism.

What was the character of Jesus' forgiveness then?
Was it a Stoic's neutral letting go of hurt, or did he
require repentance? While Jesus urged his followers never
to withhold forgiveness--forgive "seventy times seven
times," he tells Peter--Murphy at Arizona State cites
Luke 17:3 ("If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he
repents, forgive him") to argue that Christ never meant
us to forgive without repentance. "Forgiving people without
repentance risks compromising yourself," he says.

Modern Judaism has come to the same conclusion.
"The Talmud offers an extraordinary reward and great
encouragement for forgiving others," writes Joseph
Telushkin, a rabbi and ethicist, in a forthcoming book,
pointing out that forgiveness is sometimes even obligatory.
For some crimes, like slander, forgiveness is optional.
And sometimes, he says, forgiveness is forbidden--most of
all when the forgiver has not suffered personally.
Forgiving Timothy McVeigh, as one pastor did in a photo
op with President Clinton in 1997, strikes Telushkin as
taking Christian forgiveness too far. For both Murphy and
Telushkin, forgiveness has its limits, and they caution
everyone from self-help authors to truth-and-reconciliation
committees to administer it carefully.

In the conversational Greek of the New Testament, Jesus'
word is aphiemi, translated into Latin in the Vulgate as
dimitto--the root of our word "dismiss."

"It's sort of like our saying, ‘Hey, man, fuhgetaboutit,
or, ‘Let it go, pal,'" says Howard Clarke, a classics
professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara
and author of the recently published The Gospel of Matthew
and Its Readers. Later Christians, Clarke says, might have
"sacramentalized" the word to give it a deeper sense of
emotional exertion, bound up in St. Paul's insistence on
the overwhelming power of love.

As the Dalai Lama's quote shows, it's this sacramentalized
conception that we mean when we today say "forgiveness,"
even in non-Christian uses. And, as in Christian theology,
sacrifice and forgiveness are still inextricably entwined.
Having showed humans how to get around the ritual sacrifice
by forgiving one another, Jesus -- Christians came to
believe -- went on the cross to gain permanent forgiveness
for original sin, offering himself as the sacrifice to end
all sacrifice.

Science and Spirit Magazine
http://www.science-spirit.org/articles/Articledetail.cfm?article_ID=417
http://www.science-spirit.org/
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Gary Morsch, president and founder of Heart to Heart International
http://www.hearttoheart.org/pressreleases.html
http://www.hearttoheart.org/

Tony Judt, director of The Remarque Institute at New York University
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/remarque/objectives.html
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/remarque/
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<> [] On the Origins of the Fear of Death and Dying
<> [] In the Writings of Michael A. Persinger and Others
<> [] by John A. Speyrer <http://primal-page.com/p-feardi.htm>

- Dr. Michael A. Persinger,
Neuropsychological Bases of God Beliefs
[Continued at: <http://primal-page.com/lobe.htm> ]

<> [] "DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND:
<> [] IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING"
<> [] - Robert Anton Wilson
http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml
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"... must be comfortable with signs of worship.
There are Bibles on every countertop and a prayer room
painted in pastels and clouds." [And that's just in the 0val 0ffice!]
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
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"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something
in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe
themselves as having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/press/2212.html
------------------------------------------
Meanwhile... what hath Rupert Murdoch wrought?!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
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There Are Two Gardens
http://www.doha.ws/forum/archive/index.php/f-17.html
For those who honour the majesty of the Lord,
there are two gardens, each planted with trees
which give shade. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden is watered by a spring
which constantly flows. Which of the Lord's blessings
would you deny? Each garden contains a pair of every
kind of tree; so there is every kind of fruit.
Which of the Lord's blessings would you deny?
-Qur'an, Ar-Rahman, Surah 55:46-53
From "366 Readings From Islam,"
translated by Robert Van der Weyer.
http://haganah.org.il/jihadi/salafy.html
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SAINT GEORGE - Bringing in the Sheep ...
The Wholly Primate
http://english.pravda.ru/img/2003/11/bush-image03.jpg
Lord Bush
http://www.freepressinternational.com/lordbush.jpg
The Burning Bush
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush_halo_a.jpg
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Acharya S wrote:

This message is an update regarding some of the work I've been able to
achieve of late. First, Paranoia magazine has published an all-new
article of mine entitled, "Jesus the Globetrotter: The Myth of the
'Lost Years.'" This article addresses the myths/legends of Jesus in
India and Britain. Below are some excerpts. Paranoia's URL is
[<http://www.paranoiamagazine.com>] and the issue is #32. The article
is about 9 pages long and has fascinating material for those who are
interested in this subject. The subtitles include:

The Groovy Guru
The Many Tombs of Jesus
Buddhist Propaganda
The Bodhisattvas
Jesus the Druid
The "Lost Years" are Astrotheological"

Following are excerpts:

Over the centuries, the claim has repeatedly been made that Jesus
Christ not only walked the earth but also spent his early and
post-crucifixion years in a variety of places, including Egypt, India,
Great Britain, Japan and America. Indeed, traditions maintain that
Jesus, the great godman of the West, lived, learned, loved and died in
such places. Popular modern literature also purports that Jesus sired
children, who then became the ancestors of various royal families of
Europe, including France and/or elsewhere, depending on the author.
This allegation is extremely convenient and useful for said European
royal families. Unfortunately for the European claimants, however,
India also has a tradition that Jesus went there and likewise fathered
children. So too does Shingo, Japan, allege that Jesus ended up there
after the crucifixion, having children with a Japanese wife. Other
tales depict Jesus "walking the Americas" or bopping about Glastonbury,
England, with his "uncle," Joseph of Arimathea. Not all of these tales
can be true, obviously, unless Jesus is polymorphous and
phantasmagoric, a perspective that in reality represents that of the
mythologist or mythicist. To wit, regardless of these fables, or,
rather, because of them, the most reasonable conclusion regarding Jesus
and where he may or may not have been is that he is a mythical
character, not a historical personage who trotted the globe...

By calling Issa "Jesus" or "Christ," modern writers have cemented in
the readers' minds that the correlation is absolute, an erroneous
conclusion. In reality, the name "Issa," "Isa" or "Isha" is a title
and simply means "lord," "god" or "master," often referring to the
Indian god Lord Shiva: "'Isha' or 'the Lord' is another name of Siva..."
(Prajnanananda, 19) Furthermore, Prof. Nunos de Santos says, "...a god
variously named Issa, Isha, Ichtos, Iesus, Ieshuah, Joshuah, Jesus,
etc., is indisputably originally from India." He also states, "Ishvara
(Ishwar) is widely worshipped in the Far East, being also called Isha
(or Ishana) in India, Issara in Pali, Isuan in Thai, Jizu (or Jizai) in
Japanese, and so on."...

Concerning the British gods, Capt states that the Druidic trinity was
composed of three "Beli" (cf. the Semitic Baal, Bal or Bel).
Interestingly, "Yesu" (also "Hesus") was the name of the Druid "coming
Saviour of the future." (Capt, 9, 10) Capt then naively remarks,
"Druidism thus anticipated Christianity and pointed to the coming
Saviour under the very name by which Christ was called." In reality,
Christianity copied and incorporated countless elements of numerous
religions within the Roman Empire and beyond. Moreover, per the
Catholic missionary Huc, who traversed India, Tibet and other parts of
Asia, "Yesu" was also a name of the expected avatar of the Hindu god
Vishnu, of which Krishna was an avatar...

[end excerpt] Acharya S [<http://www.truthbeknown.com>]

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"... WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." wrote:
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[<http://www.deathandhell.com/corpus/sex_magick/sadomak.html>]
"...Good Clean Evangelical Christian hypocrisy (uhhm 'values'),
outlines potential new esoteric world order aims thusly:
"To achieve altered states of consciousness repeatedly and reliably."
http://www.deathandhell.com/corpus/sex_magick/sadomak.html

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"It made us sick to our stomachs." --Dubya B. #43
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News
http://tinyurl.com/2f5w7

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[Hisham Abd al-Razzaq] said that the so-called hooding
technique - whereby the detainee's head is covered with
a rancid-smelling sack for weeks or months - was always
"the first order of business."

"The hooding itself is not an interrogation method.
Its purpose is not to extract confessions from the
suspect, but rather to demoralise him and destroy
his mental balance"

Abd al-Razzaq said that the filthy sack that he
too was forced to wear was made up of three or
four layers to make sure that the suspect
"breathes the least possible amount of oxygen,
enough to keep him or her alive".

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C182D988-28E3-4D48-ADFC-F15D6509B0EC.htm

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The "Depth of Threat"
http://www.anti-anxietytouch.com/text/torture.html

We know that torture tends to increase with an increase in
the perceived depth of threat by a national government.
Dissociation theory tells us that "perception of threat"
includes a projective as well as an objective element.
During the Cold War, the U.S. felt threatened by the
Soviet system, and this perception of threat was integral
to the U.S. training of third-world security forces in
the methods of torture.

Yet, there is a curious paradox. The original blueprint
for the U.S. posture during the Cold War was drawn up by
the diplomat George Frost Kennan, who was an attaché at
the American embassy in Moscow in 1947. He coined the
term "containment" in a now-famous 8000-word message that
he sent to the Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal.
[...]
I would submit that the training of torturers is not one of
the "best traditions" Kennan was thinking about, and so we
find that this practice stemmed from the ambivalence of the
national psyche, not from its integral vision.
For pathological integral vision, we have to look to episodes
such as Nazi-ism, Idi Amin, Pol Pot and Radavan Karadjic.

So, when as operatives in the field of torture we encounter
an increase in the perception of the depth of threat,
dissociation theory suggests that we can look for an
ambivalence in the national psyche and explore the possibility
of generating effective instruments of defense based on its
"best traditions" rather than on unconscious fears and anger.
It seems that this could apply very well to the present situations...
http://www.anti-anxietytouch.com/text/torture.html

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http://www.totse.com/en/politics/central_intelligence_agency/
1977 Senate Hearing on MKULTRA by U.S. Senate:
Perhaps most disturbing of all was the fact that the extent
of experimentation on human subjects was unknown. The records
of all these activities were destroyed in January 1973, at
the instruction of then CIA Director Richard Helms. In spite
of persistent inquiries by both the Health Subcommittee and
the Intelligence Committee, no additional records or
information were forthcoming. And no one -- no single
individual -- could be found who remembered the details,
not the Director of the CIA, who ordered the documents
destroyed, not the official responsible for the program,
nor any of his associates.
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/central_intelligence_agency/

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<> "Dead Woman Who Accused Bush of Rape
<> 'Margie Schoedinger' dies as a result
<> of a gunshot wound to the head"
<> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Margie+Schoedinger

Jihad Unspun:
http://jihadunspun.com/

Islamic Studies Pathways:
http://www.lamp.ac.uk/cis/pathways/pathways.html

Azzam Publications
http://www.azzam.mirrorz.com/

The Carlyle Group:
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html

Bechtel
http://www.bechtel.com/

Halliburton
http://www.halliburton.com/index.jsp

Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton
http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2003/corpnws_110603_ru.jsp
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"Do Minds Reach Out From Brains?"
http://www.sheldrake.org/experiments/phantom/index.html

"I want to make sure everybody who has a job wants a job."
--George W. Bush, during his first Presidential campaign

"The caribou love it. They rub against it and they have
babies. There are more caribou in Alaska than you can shake
a stick at."
--George W. Bush, on the Alaska pipeline

"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one
way or another."
--George W. Bush <http://www.wordiq.com/definition/FOX_News>

"A fool and his money are soon elected." --Will Rogers
http://www.xs4all.nl/~teunvw/saturnus.htm

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[] "We worship gravitation. It is the only force which does
[] not travel through space in a rush; it is everywhere in
[] repose. It keeps the stars in their orbits and our feet on
[] our Earth. It is Nature's fear of loneliness, the Earth's
[] longing for the Moon; it is love in its pure, inorganic form."
[] - Arthur Koestler, _Twilight Bar_, 1945
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/koestler.htm

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TeV scale gravity, mirror universe,
and ... dinosaurs
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/hep-ph/0002255
This is
somewhat extended version
of the talk given
at the Gran Sasso Summer Institute:
Massive Neutrinos
in Physics and Astrophysics.
It describes
general ideas
about mirror world,
extra spatial dimensions
and dinosaur extinction.
Some suggestions are made
how these seemingly different things
can be related
to each other.
John Kinal for President - going with the better ideas here people
2016-09-26 12:26:29 UTC
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our elderly beaten and tortured to death

Forward this information to save countless innocent
lives.. Don't care to do so?, for the effort to
determine the truth isn't worth the effort? The
elderly beaten and tortured to death by the deeply
disturbed here in Winnipeg, with our police grunt
services made to not enforce our laws. ? Come on
man.. this is so serious.. real peoples lives.. OUR
Laws apposing this continuing UNELECTED mass murder
campaign called, "Comfort Care" do not apply? Says
who? The choice is simple.. speak out for fairness
on this issue, or die from self contempt.

The Winnipeg Police Department is complicit
in mass murdering the Poor of our City at
the Health Sciences Center Hospital 'Comfort Care'
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To whom this concerns.

All I demand is my rights defended, and the criminal
investigation get underway, on the recent murder of
my mother, at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Center. But
the city and Police refuse to allow Justice to take
place, as clearly treasonous. Turns out, they are now
suspect for mass murdering a great many for seven years
hidden here from newspaper and TV view willfully.. No
longer.. Justice done is freedom won.

What is this world to not express a concern for innocent life
sacrificed? A world truly dying from self contempt. All I ask,
is for we the people to demand a formal criminal investigation,
Justice, of which the Winnipeg Police refuse to allow. Please,
support fair say, as the enforcement of our laws apposing mass
murder. Let us be civilized.

Evidence on the continuing mass murders
in Winnipeg by the grunter Police - 250+meg file
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Remember.. Dr. Colister told my mother and I,
that he would not poison my mom with Devil's
Breath or anything else, then did so secretly
with fellow murderer, conspirator Nurse Colette.
I caught them at that, as too, when they attempted
murder in early February. Support a Public Inquest.


Mass Murdering the Poor
in Winnipeg Health Sciences Center
- Police Refusing to Investigate is Criminal

They refuse to make the arrests of those guilty
of premeditated mass murder, refusing all
investigations to transpire, as the most demonic
evil ever witnessed. Listen to the cops laugh in
our faces, to think they would allow OUR laws
be enforced. Fight back for Christ sake man.

The Winnipeg police are complicit in the
continuing mass murders of the poor in our city.

The Winnipeg police are complicit with the newspaper
in mass murdering our poor, with a program run across
our countries called, "Comfort Care". taken against
our wills, to be murdered. Why can't you help save
innocent lives, by warning others? Too much of an
effort to listen to the recorded police, telling
no, they will not allow criminal investigations?
Too much trouble to listen as recorded the Chief
Medical Examiner of the province telling thousands
die victim like this in Winnipeg, and he is prepared
to do nothing, but assist in the escape of the
perpetrators?

Real people are being murdered in Winnipeg.
They deny medications, while poisoning our
loved ones to death..While the police are
made forbidden from investigating. While
the newspaper with CJOB laughs in the powerless
faces of our poor families denied Justice,
while the city is left for more mass murder.
I call on all militaries to help Winnipeg take
down these lawless mass murderers of our poor,
to be tried fairly by We the People of the Public.
Save innocent lives..Defend freedom, defend God.

AUDIO of Chief Medical Examiner of Manitoba
TheTruth - (eleven megabyte audio file)
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My mother and I, did not sign up for Comfort Care,


WINNIPEG'S HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER IS COMMITTING MASS MURDER
- POLICE NOT ALLOWED TO INVESTIGATE

My mother Jennie Kinal and I, were not asked if we
willed to have her end her life in the Winnipeg Health
Sciences Center, by them placing my mother in "Comfort
Care" - depriving her medicines, while poisoned to die.

--

Open Letter to Canada’s Governor General of Canada,
His Excellency, the Right Honorable David Johnson.

Hello. My name Is John Kinal, and I am a citizen of Canada living in Winnipeg. Terribly, my mother was recently murdered right in front of me at Winnipeg's Health Science Center. Against her will, she was denied medical aid, and poisoned to die under an un-elected murder/suicide program titled, "Comfort Care". The moment the hospital told me they were poisoning her to die, because she was at "end of life" I demanded they stop immediately - that the allegation was obviously false.. Her doctor for that week, known as “Dr. T” (something like, Tazarasing) , agreed, and ordered the nurses stop poisoning Jennie Kinal. The head Nurse told AS RECORDED, that Nurse Delaney decided to disobey the
doctor, and went ahead suffocating my mother, with an overdose of hydromorphone, along with an overdose of a diuretic. My mother was pronounced dead the next day from the lie she had, “multiple organ failure”. I was capable of reviving her from her poisoning, and I ran to the police, and spoke with the college of physicians and surgeons, begging to save my mother from these then caught, attempting first degree murder. The College's spokesperson Irene McDonald told, that they can not get involved in any criminal allegations, and that the police must be called in, while the police, told eventually, they never had one minute to give the allegation of attempted murder, because Mike at the
Winnipeg Police's, Public Safety Building tells, they never allow capital crime investigations to happen at a hospital, because the doctor is always right, when it goes to court. RECORDED. I went to the police a total of seven times, trying to seek a defender of the criminal code of Canada's opposition to murder.. Never happened, but for laughs in my face, that my mother being tortured, being punched in the face by the nurse, was not something they would EVER get involved with. My mother was finally murdered right in front of me 30 days later, by Dr. Colister with Fentanyl and “Devil’s Breathe” in a conspiracy with Nurse Collette.. AS RECORDED..

This is an abbreviated synopsis, with all the evidence recorded, of the most serious of crimes. The day my mother was finally done in, her doctor from the week before, Dr. Semus, told me as recorded, that the first time they tried to have her murdered, had been expunged from her medical record. Despite my many hours of video recorded, documented the event with several nurses, and doctors.. And my recorded visits to the police.

Here is a link, with a more detailed timeline..

An Open Letter to Winnipeg's Mayor Brian Bowman
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion/Mc_J5xk-Hzk

The Winnipeg Police are complicit in the continuing murders of the poor in our city.

All I ask, is a criminal investigation of my allegations be sought. I have several talks with nurses recorded.. One where nurse Charlene tells, of no one ever escaping their death sentences in seven years, given against our wills, on the hellish, 4th floor, Health Sciences Center.. Thousands of victims, who’s sin, seems to be, being poor. Please, don’t forsaken the value of my innocent mother’s life, Jennie Kinal. Demand a criminal investigation.. as the Chief Medical Examiner for our province tells me, he is forbidden to look at patients medical records. RECORDED. Refusing to allow an autopsy too, or to ask my mother’s doctor if she had ordered the stopping of the poisoning.. He is found
complicit, by simply listening to the recorded phone calls yourself, or as a crime scene investigator.. I beg the Queen to intervene, to demand a fair measuring on this continuing crime scene.

Contact me at your earliest opportunity, with any further follow up questions.. so we can get started on freeing ourselves of this dreadful tyranny, that apposes God and our Humanity. What I request, as a sovereign citizen, is my Right, a preliminary criminal investigation regarding this alleged murder scene, that will easily find these murderers in serious violations, of many laws designed to defend our liberties..

I too, wish this wasn’t so.. The evidence speaks for ourselves..

___


An Open Letter to Winnipeg's Mayor Brian Bowman:
Under no circumstances will the city allow a
complaint of murder to be drawn and forwarded
to homicide regarding the mass murdering of the poor..

This was emailed to all city of Winnipeg councilors
along with the Mayor, and many provincial MPs.
Including the WRHA, and the two Colleges.
Including the local papers. Think now of this
time going by already, where innocent people are
still not being defended from being murdered by
the clear enemies of being fair as we free of
their ungodly tyranny. We need a formal criminal
investigation to start immediately.

__


To All Concerned..

An Open Letter to Winnipeg's Mayor Brian Bowman

After talking with the RCMP, I am told that our honorable
Mayor, has the right to ask for a preliminary criminal
investigation, as to whether our laws have been broken,
in respect to my recently murdered mother. Denied health
care, while poisoned to die against her will and my own as
wilful first degree murder. Understand it isn't that any
officer of law in Winnipeg, has in anyway disagreed with
this fair assessment - documented with evidenced video,
and audio recordings included..But to blindly deny all
rights to be defended, because Mike, at the front desk of
the PSB states".. a judge always sides with the Doctor
on criminal matters" - as the reason he gives for why all
are forbidden to be defended by Law equally. He refuses
to allow me file a formal complaint repeatedly. The
recordings with Manitoba's Chief Medical Examiner,
suggest there could be thousands of victims here.. The
Chief apparently can't tell precisely, claiming, he too is
forbidden from reviewing the provably doctored medical
records, of all those alleged murdered, denied
formal investigating.

I, John Kinal, am available for any questions or interview.


ALL I WANT IS JUSTICE

Winnipeg Police state unlawfully, under no circumstances will
they allow a complaint of murder to be drawn and forwarded
to homicide - for those of Winnipeg who are chosen, AGAINST
OUR WILL, to be first degree murdered, at the Winnipeg Health
Sciences Center.

The Winnipeg police are complicit in the
continuing murders of the poor in our city.

Evidence on the continuing mass murders
in Winnipeg by the grunter Police - 250+meg file
MORE THAN 10,000 victims and counting.
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I am begging Humanity for help.. please be human..


My mother Jennie Kinal was taken against her will and my own, and put into the Winnipeg Health Sciences Center mass murder program titled, "Comfort Care". Where my mother's medications as effective health treatment, was denied, while being poisoned with agents that suffocate and paralyze. We were told we could not leave, or stop them from poisoning her. When asked on March 8th, whether my mother could receive some help with her newly acquired chest infection - I had suggested penicillin or maybe a antibiotic.. Dr. Chisic told me as recorded, "we don't do that here in Comfort Care" SHE KNOWS she is committing murder with Dr. Colister, by denying my mother the care she deserves, while being
poisoned.

Jennie Kinal was finally murdered at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Center by Dr. Collister and Nurse Collette. Earlier in the day that they committed this murder, my mother and I meet with Dr. Collister, that I have recorded - of Dr. Collister, talking to me and my mother, of how he wants to give my mother 'Devil's Breath'.. (the worst thing imaginable - as it stops the lungs from expelling phlegm.) I say no, because it will only exacerbate her newly acquired chest infection. He can only agree.. and ends our conversation stating, no new poisons will be prescribed.. (as too we received promise from Dr. Chisic) But Dr. Collister, the murderer, arranges with Nurse Collette to give 'devil's
breath', mixed with her fentanyl when I am absent the room.. of which my mother soon succumbs during the next shift, at the cruel hands of night Nurse, Charlene. Who when I briefly rushed home, thinking she was someone I could trust, she phones me to tell, my mother will "not be walking out the front doors". And no, she will not revive.. "We don't do that here."



The Winnipeg police are complicit in the continuing mass murders of the poor in our city.


I explain in detail, with recordings of me speaking with the
police, and the Chief Medical Examiner.. The city refuses to
allow me to submit a complaint of murder. Trouble yourself to
listen. Lives are still being stolen, simply for being poor.

Winnipeg Police state unlawfully, under no circumstances will
they allow a complaint of murder to be drawn and forwarded
to homicide - for those of Winnipeg who are chosen, AGAINST
OUR WILL, to be first degree murdered, at the Winnipeg Health
Sciences Center. My mother was denied her needed medicines,
while punched out and suffocated. All evidence is freely
available. She nor I, did we will her to die murder victim as
suicided.. We went to the hospital for help.. If others had
warned us, we wouldn't have sacrificed our lives to these mass
murderers. The Winnipeg police, as recorded several times,
OFFICIALLY claim they are to be left unaccountable as lawless.
There are many other victims here, denied our rules of law.

ALL I WANT IS JUSTICE
like anyone else would


We the People

Please support a criminal investigation on the recent
murder of Jennie Kinal in Winnipeg. The city forbids
all police agencies from enforcing OUR law against
premeditated murder.. at the Health Sciences Center
4th floor - "Comfort Care" ..mass murder in fact.

Being civilized, is naturally progressing in understanding.
All the prophets will justice as fair say here.. as too,
the astute Atheist. Willing to be free of tyranny.

They are mass murdering the poor in Winnipeg today..

The only power they have, is our indecision to do right for another.

THE CITY REFUSES TO ALLOW A COMPLAINT OF MURDER MADE

My mother Jennie Kinal and I, were not asked if we
willed to have her end her life in the Winnipeg Health
Sciences Center, by them placing my mother in "Comfort
Care" - depriving her medicines, while poisoned to die.

Did not sign anything to agree to 'Comfort Care'.

Justice done is freedom won.


SHOCKING AUDIO - Winnipeg Police Admit Being Complicit in Mass Murdering the Poor of Winnipeg - SHOCKING AUDIO

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Who cares for Winnipeg murder victims?

THE CITY REFUSES TO ALLOW A COMPLAINT OF MURDER MADE - My mother Jennie Kinal and I, were not asked if we willed to have her end her life in the Winnipeg Health Sciences Center, by them placing my mother in "Comfort Care" - depriving her medicines, while poisoned to die. Did not sign anything to agree to 'Comfort Care'. All Winnipeg police officers clearly wouldn't support this wicked criminality continuing, but they are not made aware, as the complaints are not allowed to be filed. LISTEN TO THE COPS TELL ME SO AS RECORDED. We can't remain silenced on this matter of our families being first degree murdered at the lawless hospitals. It's justice for us or further we go bust. All invites for
friendship welcomed.. Murderers Allowed To Walk Free in Winnipeg - Police forbidden to investigate.. WE DID NOT SIGN TO DIE UNDER COMFORT CARE. HOSPITAL REFUSED TO STOP END OF LIFE MEDS. JENNIE KINAL PRONOUNCED DEAD FROM ORGAN FAILURE. RECOVERED HER TO FIND NO ORGAN FAILURE.. TORTURED FOR 33 MORE DAYS UNTIL DEAD FROM DEVIL'S BREATH. Allow the truth to prevail.. Are you not human? Warn innocent people of these crimes.. save lives..

Did not sign anything to agree to 'Comfort Care'.


WINNIPEG'S HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER IS COMMITTING MURDER - Evidence freely available.

Mass Murderers Allowed To Walk Free in Winnipeg

THE CITY REFUSES TO ALLOW A COMPLAINT OF MURDER MADE

What are we going to do?
How about just taking the link for the story, and
forwarding it to those who you believe should hear the good news?
That we're not putting up with mass murder in Winnipeg any longer.
Fair say all the way has you win too, a better world.. Please I
beg you, be human. Judge this incredibly serious matter for
yourself. The top recording is of me speaking with the head of
all murder investigations in the province.. Telling he doesn't
support getting to understand what the cause is ever of any,
murdered in Winnipeg under this not elected program titled,
"Comfort Care" where they ON PURPOSE.. deny medicines the
patients needs, while then being poisoned to die with opiates,
along with concoctions that stop the patient from breathing
effectively, while spreading infections. Thousands of victims
so far, according to my contact, directly connected - and the
Chief Medical examiner stating in a recording in the archive..
too.. of "thousands" being put down this way in Winnipeg. .
My mother, nor I, did not sign into being murdered, or as they
call, suicided.


--

Save Lives

In Winnipeg, the police state they will not investigate
capital offenses that occur at Hospitals, because judges
always side for doctors in criminal matters. Recording
available. But in my case, with my mother, it was the
doctor that ordered Jennie Kinal no longer be poisoned,
with end of life medications.. but the nurses went ahead
anyway to attempt murder.. for it was proven, Jennie Kinal
did not have "multiple organ failure" - and they needed
to cover up their murderous crimes against the poor as
disadvantaged. Fair say all the way means we're living
civilized lives, not being murdered as forsaken in
Winnipeg.. Save lives in Winnipeg by warning others
of this program titled, "Comfort Care" - It's a matter
of life and death.

Save innocent lives by allowing the truth to prevail. By
warning others, you save lives.. Do right for ourselves,
Love justice. Love freedom. Love life.


MURDERS IN WINNIPEG NOT BEING INVESTIGATED

"No one goes into palliative care without signing documents."

John Kinal - Never signed anything. And it's the medical doctor who
ordered my mother no longer be poisoned.. but my mom was according to
the medical record, and the head nurse.. and two other nurses.. all
to attempt cover of the fact, she never had 'multiple organ failure'.


"Who never signed nothing? And how did your Mom end up at the hospital?
I take it they didn't kidnap her too? Who poisoned your Mom? Again those
are allegations of wrong doing. Multiple organ failure would be a cause
of death, not something anyone could live with."

John Kinal - That's right. That's why it is so clearly, attempted
murder on Feb 2nd when it was alleged, she had "multiple organ
failure" .But lived for more than 30 days longer.. While the police
refused to investigate, while the College of physicians are forbidden
to involve themselves in criminal matters. The audio recordings are
available.. They are murdering the poor, under "Comfort Care".. My
mother entered the hospital in hopes to be helped with her thyroid
condition, that had cause swelling in her legs.. Instead they pumped
steroids and other things into her veins non-stop, which caused tremors
from the minute after giving her health card information.. then kept
near a coma, doped with Fentanyl 80X more powerful than morphine, and
hydromorphone to seriously hamper breathing,. to her subsequent murder
on March 8th with "Devil's Breath".


MURDERS IN WINNIPEG NOT BEING INVESTIGATED

Listen: People of the world.. In Winnipeg, if a
capital offense occurs at a hospital.. the College
of Physicians and Surgeons can not get involved, and
the concern needs to be forwarded to police.. while
the police in Winnipeg state, they never allow officers
to investigate capital crimes that occur in hospital..
Recording available. THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. For everybody.
We, the People have to face this fair. Don't fear
standing on principle.. This is really a serious
matter, of murder going unpunished. We all need to
defend ourselves fair.. Who do the Winnipeg Police
Department think they work here for? It is we the
people of Winnipeg.. The Winnipeg police department
is complicit, as an accessory to mass murder by
refusing to enforce our laws. Minimally,
obstructionists. That Law against murder we must
enforce. They get a fair say, before conviction can
be gained.. We love all honorable cops.. as they are
of us, willing freedom. The freedom to not be
murdered. Fair say all the way means cops win too,
hip hip hooray!

--

"Here's a list of grief counselors who can help you.."

Things are true for us to find too. Without needing a
reflex reaction, to hear of such foolishness.. as the
cause for why Winnipegger's are cheated to die victims..
denied Justice.. denied equal protection under the laws
of Canada.. it is for you friend.. a sad day to reflect
on our TRUE circumstance.. as measured correct, 100%.
Facts are facts.. and no one can thwart our fair
measure being human. Freedom is Justice.

All the evidence is made publicly available my friend.
Read the facts for yourself to be horrified. Recording at
the police desk, telling no.. they will not allow any
investigations.. no matter what. It's like a death cult.
And yeah.. it is rather terrifying to learn, I tell the
truth. Cops of course are good on general terms, but they
have to obey the rules too. The truth is better than the
lies, while further innocent lives are lost due our
inaction in further silence. Why this happens is
difficult to talk on, as it is a part, speculative.
The whole branch of medicine, called "death meds", or,
'end of life' medications, if you ask me, is extremely
faulted in error. However, it is for really happening
across North America too. Medicines to stop breathing,
or to spread infections, are clearly poison to the
thinking man or woman.. In Winnipeg the patient and
family have no rights defended whatsoever. We need
to demand a public inquest.. as so, the facts are
brought to the attention of everyone being civilized.


An Open Letter to the Crown Prosecutors of Canada

The Oath of Crowns "pursue Justice where ever it leads.."

My mother, Jennie Kinal, was first degree murdered at the
Winnipeg Health Sciences Center on March 8, 2016. There was
also an attempt made on Jennie Kinal's life on February 2 and
3 2016. All documented as proven easily. When contacting the
College of Physicians and Surgeons of Manitoba, and speaking
with the investigative Community's spokesperson Irene Mcdonald
regarding the attempt at murder incident, whereas I forwarded
the Committee the evidence.. Irene advised me that such a
criminal allegation was something they can not as ever
investigate.. and that the complaint needed to be brought
to the attention of the Winnipeg police.. Of which I did, in
total five times. The fifth time, on April 29 2016, Mike at
the desk told me, that under no circumstances do they allow
any officer of law to investigate capital crimes that occur
at hospitals, due the Doctor always being correct.. Recording
available. They didn't tell me of their willingness to BLINDLY
be, accessories to mass murder of Canadians until then. When
I first brought the indisputable evidence of the attempt at
murder, they did not tell me then, they would have all
honorable police officers denied my pleas for mercy, or
warn me that they would not be defending my mother's life
left held in jeopardy, no matter what the facts were.
Instead it was told that someone would look at it repeatedly.
Of which at no time did they phone anyone to clarify an
understanding. To simply validate the claim, only took one
phone call to Dr. T, of which they refused to do. Caring
not for the well being of my mother, a Canadian citizen
who was attempted to be murdered, upon my repeated requests
for the police to protect.. Nor did they at any time talk
to me, about how they found the facts lacking, or hard to
grasp. The evidence of the attempted murder is a solid as
it comes.. While the murder consists of Dr. Collister
telling my mother and myself, that his suggestion of
"Devil's Breath" and another drug to mix with Jennie's
Fentanyl, that "doesn't cross the blood brain barrier"
would NOT instead be administered, due my wise words
explaining why such action will bring about only harm
to my mother, with a contagious chest infection just
acquired the day before. Of which he does not disagree
with as recorded. Why? As I state, to hamper my mother's
ability to expel phlegm will do her no good obviously.
Not knowing then what "Devil's Breath" was as deadly,
and completely inappropriate obviously. But then as
documented fully, Dr. Collister goes ahead secretly in
a conspiracy with Nurse Colette to administer just such
a poison when I am not present, gone for coffee. Again,
recorded as administered by the day nurse, the night
nurse Charlene shows me the order herself, again, as
recorded. Once administered, Jennie becomes paralyzed,
then shortly in hours dies. A woman diagnosed with mild
back pain the entire two weeks prior by Dr. Semus..
A woman ready to go home as diagnosed by Dr. Necozy
the two weeks prior to that. But diagnosed by Dr.
Collister as having no more than 14 days to live.. on
February 2.. and on March 7. [NO COMPLAINTS DEPARTMENT]
He failed at murder, then to cover his attempt, a month
later, went ahead and tried again.. Dr. Semus informed
me, that the hospital removed the entire February
incident from the books. The incident recorded as
transpiring by three doctors, three nurses, including
the head nurse of which I speak with for near a hour on
the matter as recorded as well. There have been no
investigations on Dr. Collister's actions for near a
decade as clearly being among psychopaths. For the
Winnipeg Police to forbid Justice, because they believe
in something of a death cult, that costs a great many
innocent lives needs to be brought to the Public's
attention, and halted immediately. Accessory to murder
in not what OUR police are for. Many more lives are
still threatened by this mass murder program called,
"Comfort Care" - an unelected death sentence given to
thousands of Manitobans with families who have complained
of "similar incidents" of murder, according to my private
discussions with a provincial employee familiar with the
numbers. I have heard from three acquaintances in my
personal life, that claim near identical scenario. 'No
choice, your loved one will now be denied needed medicines,
while given poisons to hamper breathing', and so on..
This needs a public inquest, or a truth commission to
uncover this unholy nightmare. Let's do right by saving
innocent lives, not hide to see further needlessly die
victims to our cowardice of being professionals. This
is very much an issue that involves aboriginals and the
poor most especially, not only the elderly, but the
young as well.

Please, I beg you with everything I am.. save innocent lives..
Forward this information. It is life and death. Care for those
of our society you are not absent from my friends or foes.

Important: The Public must be warned.. Save lives.. Support a Public Inquest

My mother, Jennie Kinal, was murdered in a
Winnipeg hospital, on March the 8th, 2016
under a program of first degree mass murder
called.. "Comfort Care"..


(..this on the first attempt at murder..)
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Shortened synopsis..

I wad told Jennie had multiple organ
failure, and was on end of life medication.
I said bullshit, she was great just hours
ago.. The head Doctor, Dr. T, called a halt
to the death meds.. Telling Nurses, if
Jennie experiences any discomfort, I am
to be phoned to okay the death meds once
more.. I am phoned for such action the next
day, arrive in under 7 minutes, to find
my mother pronounced clinically dead by
RN Delaney, due organ failure.. I revive
my mom to discover, she has no organ
failure.. Being doped everyday under
torture.. ATTEMPTED MURDER THIS PROVES.
Forward this information to everyone who
loves their mother.. The Police most
especially. They have been caught attempting
first degree murder of made helpless innocent
old folks at Winnipeg's Health Sciences
Center..


Suggestions to the RCMP on how to conduct criminal
investigations regarding the murder of Jennie Kinal,
that happened on March 8, 2016, at Winnipeg's Health
Sciences Center, 4H.

There are two major crime scene involved in this matter..
There was the attempt at murder made on February 2,2016,
and the murder that took place on March 8, 2016.

On February 2, 2016 I was told my mother was to die
from total organ failure.. So as a consequence, she
was then being given an opiate, Hydromorphone, non-stop,
until she dies. Which will be no more than 14 days. A
poison the doctor tells, limits my mother's breathing
too, to treat "shortness".. of which only hours earlier,
through to several weeks prior, she had no problem with
as perfect.. So an opiate to trick the body into well
being, while limiting one from breathing. Knowing too,
this "shortness" concept, being chemically treated, is
not quantified correctly. Short what? At first I tell
the Nurse to stop immediately this clear madness. No
she claims, "don't be cruel". A tactic used that had
no effect, for I was not blind to the circumstance.
As many others would be, not having the time to stay
with their loved one everyday, or being astute in reason.
I state this position to her intelligently, that my
mother doesn't need to be hampered in her breathing,
and is suffering in no pain.. and so, she calls me to
talk to another nurse, who claims again "don't be cruel".
I know then as now, these people are not mindfully of a
fair measure. I then quickly go to speak with Dr. T..
my mother's doctor that week.. Claiming my mother was
fine only hours earlier.. We were talking about going
home on video.. When did this organ failure occur I ask?
Dr. T. then calls a halt to the poisoning.. without
answer. (I learn later the next day, this was the first
time in the history of their operation - where all under
this order have been put to death without exception.)
Dr. T tells the nurses, that Jennie Kinal will no
longer receive Hydromorphone, unless she is found
expressing some discomfort in pain..If she is, I am
to be phoned at home to come to witness such a
circumstance. I stay with my mother over the next
few hours, where her breathing becomes closer to normal.
The next day, nurse Delaney calls me at home to okay
the death medication.. I happened to be already on my
way.. and arrive in approximately seven minutes.. to
see my mother appear poisoned with a diuretic , and
pronounced clinically dead by Delaney. Who then
encourages me to stop talking to Jennie, "She's had
multiple organ failure" "her kidneys gave out" "she
can not hear you", "she can not speak with you", "see
can not see you".. I continue talking to my mother..
while Delaney again goes off with "just remember all
the good times you had" and in several minutes, my
mother begins to revive.. She can not barely breath
due the poison, that takes 10 hours to leave her, as
her breathing recovers near back to normal. As on video..
without any pain. When my mother started to revive..
Delaney left to not be seen again.. save for the day
my mother dies. No action on her part to investigate
how such a thing could have happened.. I remain with
my mother for near 24 hours.. To then call everyone
officially that can help save my mother's life as
still threatened by these psychopaths. So witness
yourself..up until the murder on March 8, 2016.
she had had no "multiple organ failure".

Now to substantiate this with the facts that matter through a preliminary criminal investigation..

First thing: contact Dr. T and state, we of the RCMP,
are just doing a preliminary investigation is respect
to the late Jennie Kinal.. who died on March 8, 2016..
But our attention right now has to do with an event
that started on Feb 2, 2016.. In where we are trying
to establish whether an order to stop Hydromorphone
was given to the attending nurses responsible for
Jennie Kinal's care? Now, if Dr. T is truthful.. of
which I suspect she will be.. she will claim yes. So,
that means that Delaney gave my mother a medication
against the Doctors order, that left her almost dead,
gasping for air for ten hours. In the recording
titled, 'back from the dead', 24 hours after I
raised my mother from her early grave, the head
nurse confirms, the last time Hydromorphone was
given, was 24 hours earlier. An attempt at murder,
for it shows, she did not have total organ failure -
surviving she did, for more than a month after. Now
get this: Dr. Semus informed me this whole incident
was made absent the medical record. But say Dr.
T states that no.. such an order didn't happen?
Well again, the head nurse confirms that the
reason I was called by Delaney was to okay the
death medication that had been forbidden.

How does this look? My mother was sentenced to die
murder victim with lies. And under every circumstance
prior.. this process had never before been stopped.
So Dr T. did the right thing.. working for Justice..
suspecting perhaps she did.. just when was this
determination made of total organ failure occur? If
Johnny had been there almost every hour, every day?
Established too, of the recording of suspect nurse
2.. who tried to insist I get my mother back on the
Hydromorphone, because of her "multiple organ failure".
The head nurse discusses her talk with suspect nurse
2, in where she tells.. we must never allow someone to
stop the process again. Now, get this.. When I
complained about them trying to murder my mother?
there was no investigations done by anyone.. for
there is zero accountability.. No complaints
department. While the college of Physicians and
Surgeons.. upon hearing of this disorder.. recommended
the police needed to investigate.. because the College
never gets involved in clearly criminal behavior.
The Winnipeg police took no action! no phone calls to
the Physicians and Surgeons.. no calls to Dr. T.. to
anyone.. including me to help them through reasonably..
They must have been lost, but refused to ask someone
for directions. Despite me going over there four times..
According to my source in government, thousands of
victim families have been denied Justice, stretching
over at least, seven years. Please.. be honorable. Do
you job and defend our lives.. This is a issue
involving all Canadians, and travelers through our
forsaken city. Why do they do it? We can only
speculate. They are very sadistic.. Delaney got
off punching my 83 year old mother in the eye just
before the attempt at murder.. Ask her about it..
They would abuse my mother, to spite me.. I would
go out for a quick coffee, and come back where
someone felt it necessary to throw her about in
the bed horrifically. I know why there, but that's
another story.. Like the young girl, and the young
man.. and the lies they were told of how they could
get out any day, if they just continue to cooperate..
Nobody has ever left Comfort Care in 4H. Not one
person. So was told to me by two nurses.. one there
for more than seven years. As recorded. And all those
that work there know it. No accountability breeds
success for the contemptuous. There are many other
stories I can tell of these sadistic enemies of
Life and God. But nobody seems to care to save
innocent lives being mass murdered. How come
chums? Let's all get started on this.. Everyone.
Please. What if it was your mom? Forward this
information. please.. let's save some innocent lives.


To the Honorable Health Minister of Manitoba

Hello.. I have disturbing news to tell, of my mother, Jennie Kinal, being first degree murdered at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Center, ward 4H. What is the evidence? Dr. Colister, on the day he committed this murder, March 8th, speaks to me as recorded, that, wouldn't I like to approve something unheard of, to stop my mother's congestion? (To have him not take the blame for her soon death no doubt.). I respond, as recorded, that no. Such quackery will do nothing TRULY to alleviate my mother's newly acquired contagious condition. At that time, not even knowing what this poison called "Devil's Breath" was, but typically, of all his sadistic 'end of life' 'medicines', they are clearly poisons
to murder anyone as healthy with. Of which he does routinely as mass murdering psychopath. Importantly, he with his partner, does not disagree with my astute medical assessment.. and leaves stating to my mother and me, that he will allow her to recover without new poisons offered that day.. But does so secretly.. According to the night nurse, as recorded in the medical record, showing me the order herself, for 'Devil's Breath' to be given to Jennie as needed.. Needing they did, Dr. Colister and the day nurse, Colette, to administer the lethal shot when I wasn't present.. For I would have told.. Dr. Colister, and Dr. Chisic told no new poisons to attempt murder once more would be offered for
that day.. of March 8th.. For I had explained such wickedness, will do nothing but harm my beloved mother. hey hated me for being wise, exposing their falsehoods, of faith initiatives. In quips I gave, no longer than two or three sentences. As they did when I explained this operation of getting everyone stoned with poisons to stop breathing, while depriving life saving treatments is beyond insane.. They would speak of their treason against life and God with grins of pleasure..of our powerlessness. Go ask them yourself.. I called it a horror show.. Because it is.. When I would explain, a heroin junkie can feel comfortable starving to death.. they wouldn't as couldn't disagree.. Remember, my
mother was not suffering from anything, but their poisons.. As her thyroid condition cleared right up.. DUE MY DEMANDS FOR HER MEDICINE, of which they argued near endlessly, as pure wicked evil to not allow.. Told me, a thyroid condition of my mothers can not be treated.. as once it's gone.. it's gone.. A LIE.. Proven as so.. as my mother did recover.. Why so apposed? Because a thyroid condition, has the human body retain water.. causing mild hallucinations if not treated.. Hallucinations lend well to no complaining effectively.. Once she recovered.. she spoke of these "murderers".. she spoke of Delaney punching her in the eye.. she spoke desperately, while I cried.. to free her of these
torturers.. They were so sadistically mean to her.. Knowing no police have entered to investigate for years of formal complaints. See, the doctor the week prior claimed.. sure all Jennie has is some mild back pain.. but he was not prepared to stop the Fentanyl.. perhaps for fear, of then Colister coming in with his needle.. that murders all, every single time, save none.. As all of Colister's history, of determining end of life for countless others in no more than 14 days.. .Except my mom the month before. It was at that time I went to talk to the teen police at Winnipeg's public safety building, after consulting with the College of Physicians and Surgeons.. who recommended the police be
brought in, on me catching them FOR SURE, attempting murder the first time on Feb 2.. They just simply refused to do anything.. Not even a single phone call.. Nothing.. I went back.. spoke polite.. on how these teens didn't understand the words I'm telling of.. It's so important.. It's life and death.. It's important here to know, they didn't tell that I was in error. And yet still. refused to do anything.. Like call their Dad, or an adult even.. I went again.. and again.. Then a teen police officer, told me not to come back.. NO REASON GIVEN. I guess she didn't like having to call someone else who can fairly reason. Perhaps it's all due the vaccines.. Anyway.. we need adult police officers
from the RCMP, to consult with Prosecutors with scientific minds to know this was no accident.. but willful first degree murder.. When I caught them the first time.. The Hospital did not call for an investigation.. they just threatened me to not divulge the information.. or they would give us all the what for.. Fear is not in me however. Perhaps to a fault.. I demand Justice must come, to see these murderers spend a life time behind bars.. I hope I am making myself clear.. These crimes have occurred for many years.. due the struggle with most in time to understand.. Look at my story.. I knew, as proven, they had tried to murder my mother.. and yet.. what more could anyone do? We need to also
look at how police investigations must be handled in the future.. First things first.. I need support from the Province and the city, in lieu of me not suing.. to save my home.. to save our lives.. While I work with a prosecutor for Justice to finally come for everyone. No longer forsaken by our careless disregard for the rights of a great many others, of our same community. Please let's get started on doing right for ourselves. What if it was your mother?

- If a decision to not fairly investigate this is made, furthering more murders - I want to still be contacted and told of such lies to hide yourself from we being fair. I bid a good day for catching bad guys. Let's do this right.



Support a Public Inquest, Truth Commission, and Police Investigation on HSC's "Comfort Care" program of murder, in the first degree. Where your loved one is sentenced to die victim to neglect as official public paid for policy.

Justice for US
Who would apposes doing right?
Many lives are still falling..
Please, have mercy.. forward this info.

Important: The Public must be warned.. Save lives..

Support a Public Inquest

My mother, Jennie Kinal, was murdered in a Winnipeg hospital, on March the 8th, 2016, under a program of first degree mass murder called.. "Comfort Care".

I beg everyone to reach out to our media, in hopes they'll too support shedding some light on this very serious circumstance.. We need our voices heard as fair here. Forward this concern to everyone being human. They are stealing innocent lives. A heroin junkie can feel comfortable starving to death. So.. what the hell is happening in our hospitals.


What if it was your mother?

I am doing what I must, after having my mother murdered in hospital, and then to note. There was no complaints department.. no newspaper, no radio, and no police determining fair measure either. My life is ruled by law to live speaking for a just cause..I am admittingly, kind of weird this way.. Not since the murder, but well before in decades.. So this tragedy, that has hurt me more than anything ever can, has me giving of everything now, to not allow these murderers to conduct their business as usual, further escaping our police authorities,. God willing justice, demands of you to try for fairness towards all parties, of the society you are not absent of. It's called, acting civilized. It
seems the TV's devote relationship tied to blindly serving doctors no matter what, is a cause they need not worry for to truly understand.. Like a cult.. A cult that is costing our lives as innocent people.. murdered by those near never chastised with accountability throughout their lawless ranks.. Dr. Semus told me directly, that the first try at committing murder against my mother on Feb 2 and 3rd.. had been scrubbed from the files.. And Vanessa too, would weave the most fantastical lies, you were never lost to know, she hadn't a clue of what she was saying for real.. As recorded..


The Telling Truth

John Kinal to Dr. Colister "No I don't agree.. Such medications will hamper my mother's ability, to expel her newly acquired congestion".. He does not disagree.. Nor so does his partner. ..and in closing, supports allowing my mother recover by introducing no new poisons. Of which we learned of his betrayal from the record, that he instead conspired with nurse Colette, to murder my mother, with their, "Devil's Breath"... to a woman who had only suffered arguably with minor back pain the entire two weeks prior.. As to why they tried to put her to "end of life" meds a a month earlier, with Hydromorphone, was because, it turns out, she never even could have had multiple organ failure all along..
IT WAS A LIE they were publicly caught on.. Then as evil being dumb, then went ahead further, and finally murdered my mom. Didn't go, "look everyone! it's a miracle!" no no no.. no investigation whatsoever.. That's not we see? Perhaps, it's all a failure to communicate.

But so.. What about the responsibilities of the police to investigate crimes scenes such as these? Shouldn't they as we respect the rights of everyone in our society? To be fairly treated? The Province did not do the simplest of inquiries into the heart of the evidence before us. .. Leaving those that conspire to get away further from fair judgment.. on just who the hell they think we are.. stealing innocent lives going unreported. This is a routine case behind newspapers doors, involving many more forsaken victims absent your personal outrage, and action Let's truly save some great peoples lives by warning everyone.. How about it? Sounds good to see Justice finally succeed for Jennie
Kinal?, and so included, we the people? Demand Justice for Jennie Kinal..

David L. Martel <***@frontier.com> wrote:

"John,

You are puttin a lot of effort into this strange
belief. Your mother was on palliative or "comfort
care". This suggests that your mother was aware
that she was terminally ill and had decided to
end her life. Why do you believe otherwise?"

Hey Dave.. Yeah no.. all she had was a thyroid
condition when entering.. then we were told she
had a heart attack with her unwanted nicotine
patch, and then, multiple organ failure.. I
proved it was a lie.. And for a month, all
they did was not allow my mother to recover..
My mother, nor I, were never given a choice to
decide whether or not to end her life, by
depriving medications, while doping her with
'end of life' poisons that stop anyone from
breathing, or expelling an infection. First
degree murder. Not an accident. IN FACT:
freely admitted to.. like lawless demon
enemies of our better natures willing to
be civilized. Let's not murder people.

Remember.. Dr. Colister told my mother and I,
that he would not poison my mom with Devil's
Breath or anything else, then did so secretly
with fellow murderer, conspirator Nurse Colette.
I caught them at that, as too, when they attempted
murder in early February. Support a Public Inquest.

Forward this to save lives..

TO OUR GOVERNMENT OF CANADA

What they knew and chose nothing to do
about.. Still? Shouldn't someone be fired,
if not arrested as complicit in murder?

John Kinal - Protections of Persons in Care Act - Feb 24 2016
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https://bitster.cz/file/c18baf
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http://coolbytez.com/sedy8mmhajjj.html
https://cloud-share.in/bvx65pmenm9q

"10,000+ similar complaints in Manitoba."

Ignored.. Still? Hello people.. we have a
serious responsibility here to speak fair
against mass murderers.

If Chris, who works for our government,
had simply done the job by enforcing
Manitoba's standing law, Jennie Kinal
would be alive today. Don't allow them
to steal more innocent lives in Winnipeg.
Take action. Personally forward this to
the media movers and shakers, to save
lives, demanding Justice. I am available
for interviews. Help ourselves.

I beg you to do right.. Save an innocent life.

Please, peoples of our world..defend innocent
life being mass murdered here in Winnipeg, at
the Health Sciences Center, under a program
of the most heinous ungodly evil ever known
of titled, "Comfort Care". They openly deprive
vital medicines, while torturing the victims
with poisons such as with my mom. Given
through lies, Scopolamine "Devil's Breath",
secretly in a conspiracy with nurse Colette,
in deadly conjunction with Fentanyl, causing
instant paralysis, then unnatural death through
FOR SURE, proven first degree murder. My mother
Jennie, who only several days earlier was
guilty of only minor back pain, as to why
these demons refused to stop doping her since
her arrival two months earlier. Simultaneously
claimed though, she was by her murderer, Dr.
Colister, to have had multiple organ failure
continuously for more than a month. Proven
to be a lie on Feb 3rd, by myself told to
Winnipeg Police.. Through too, the broken
orders of Law by Dr. T., Jennie's Doctor that
week. The Winnipeg Police dishonorably, have
refused to do the simplest of preliminary
investigations..such as making a single phone
call to Dr. T.. to confirm the first attempt
made at murdering my mother by Nurse Delaney..
using then, ILLEGAL hydromorophone. You
personally could save an innocent life, by
simply identifying a citizen of Winnipeg,
to give them this post personally. Again
this "Comfort Care" mass murder program is
not made by the victims as something agreed
upon in OUR newspapers either. They just
privately announce your loved one is now
sentenced to deprivation of caring
completely, while openly being poisoned
with the most deadly of UNWARRANTED
'medicine'. So confident in our made
illiterate police agencies never getting
involved here, that they believe they can
escape sadistically mass murdering for
decades more perhaps.. if you continue to
take no action for the world you can not
escape my friend. It is truly all up to
you.. Do right. Care for your world.
Forward go freely of Justice winning
victory. Justice for we guarantees
freedom to be..

Here's an idea..
Down with murderers..
who's with we? fairly speaking..

Justice for Jennie Kinal

I want a public inquest in how my mother died, so justice can be served. All the evidence is in, it's just that, because the death occurred at a hospital in Winnipeg, the Police's hands are tied.

Jennie Kinal was murdered on March 8th, 2016, by the actions of Dr. Colister, at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Center.

Facts: Dr. Colister told no new medications would be administered on March 8th, to myself and Jennie.. Dr. Laura Chisic, Jennie's other doctor, one of more than four others, told of Dr. Colister, doing just as he claimed he would not, ordering on the 8th of March, the deadly, Scopolamine "Devil's Breath", in conjunction with already administered Fentanyl, . Nurse Colette, sold that it was Jennie's idea to take the most lethal drug on the Canadian market that she gave Jennie, Scopolamine, to hamper her ability to expel an infection that had recently appeared, leading to paralysis and death. Nurse Colette, couldn't administer the poison while I was present however, and couldn't let on, it was
ordered in by Dr. Colister. As Colette's crazy lie of my mom being willing, now makes more sense. No antibiotics are given in Winnipeg, for ANY Canadian patient in "comfort care", but poisons a plenty to first degree mass murder it disturbingly appears. You really should care.. Think of the next victims last night. Forward this concern to everyone who loves their mother. Do it.

The TRUE disregard for a patient's wellness, made as policy at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Center, is like a hell on earth for real, when you hear them tell of such madness openly, denying all rights to do right for ourselves. 'End of Life' poisons to those we guess near, perfect health. Poisons to weaken clearing our bodies of new infections, with poisons to hamper breathing, and then, to top it off, heroin derivatives 80 times stronger than morphine, apposing better health.. is simply willful first degree murder.. Again, they officially deny all "Comfort Care" patients antibiotics, to die victim from neglect.. With too, refusing to resuscitate any patient as policy of evil.. So, say you
were poisoned by Scopolamine with her Fentanyl. as my mom was against her will and my own.. they told me as such, over the phone.. they will make no attempt to save my mother's life as "doctors" on scene. Demand a Public Inquest.

--

(these were words sent to, in part, the college of physicians and surgeons.. and too, the college of nurses.. )

Formal Complaint Against the Named Nurses
and Doctors of Winnipeg's Health Sciences Center

On the 21st of January, despite Jennie's expressed wishes upon intake, and my own, the Doctor not responsible for Jennie, but on "the Team", asked if she was a smoker, and would provide a nicotine patch, I told him no.. she didn't want it, nor did I..

On the 22 of January, I was told Jennie had a heart attack, and I found what I disproved of, a nicotine patch on her shoulder area..


To whom this concerns..

My name in John Kinal, the son of Jennie Kinal, currently held against our will at 4H at the Health Science Center.

My mother told the hospital upon admission, she did not want a nicotine patch, but two weeks in, when she's near a coma.. they appose her wishes and my own, giving her the POISONOUS nicotine, and she then has, a massive heart attack hours later..Then a week later, puts her on end of life medications.. To die of.. for sure for sure.. 100%.. every patient under such treatment DIES.. I fought to deny my mother had complete organ failure.. and over 20 hours in total, brought her back to life..From a position the hospital has decided to do nothing for.. because she was clinically dead..

"Hydromorphone may cause serious or life-threatening breathing problems, especially during the first 72 hours of your treatment and any time "

Think of this.. They poison patients so they can't take a breath, then when the patient struggles to breath due the muscles not working, they only answer, must need more pure oxygen, or Hydromorphone ..Another quick death they believe they will escape criminal charges over..

When I learned they were giving my mother end of life medication, where only the day before she was at near the best she had been since arriving.. I demanded such madness stop immediately.. Of which two RNs on the floor argued with me for 30 minutes, to suggest I was being cruel to try such action. They argued I have not the right to deny death meds, and told I must speak to "Dr. T", of which I did.. Reminding her of all the witnesses to my mothers health, from the day before.. such as the physiotherapist.. sitting in bed, talking, and eating several yogurts, juice, and water.. She told she would then have the poising stopped... and if the seriously unqualified RN Ms. Delaney, decided it at
a later time needed to continue, would have me called firstly, to get to the hospital to witness such need.. The next day, at approximately 6pm, Ms. Delaney called me to come and witness her condition, in need of death meds.. I get all the way to the distant HSC in approximately 7 minutes.. to witness her 'dead' in bed.. not breathing due the medication stopping the muscles of her lungs incapable of taking a breath..Ms. Delaney told me to stop talking to a corpse that can't hear, speak, or see.. All the fluids of her body had been removed due, what was likely an overdose of a diuretic.. her lips were near black. Ms. Delaney told I was not ever going to get a response talking to a body with
complete organ failure..She can't pee, so her body is clinically dead..I remained, and in approximately an hour, her lips move in response to water.. and slowly I brought her back to life.. Delaney never returned to the attempted murder scene for the rest of her time at shift.. No 'miracle' claimed, but for by the several aids who witnessed, in part the 'miracle'.

The evidence offered for fair public interest, tells Ms. Delaney's plan was to tell she didn't give such medications as a lie.. Why? On video, of my mother recovering the assault states.. she can't take a breath (her lungs are poisoned on purpose, due the "medicine") it takes near 20 hours for the poison to be left absent her blood stream according to the videos..The medical record as quoted to me 24 hours later, when I'm leaving for home after resurrecting the dead.. I'm told indicates the last poisoning to stop muscle function occurred 24 hours prior..

I need a formal investigation, following probable cause to arrive at the fair conclusion of decisions made to steal my mother's life..


Contact me immediately on the fair actions already underway to gather the facts here,


To College of Registered Nurses in Manitoba...


Hello.

It is John Kinal reporting in on recent disturbing developments on the Jennie Kinal matter at Winnipeg's Health Science Center in 4H. As you may already be aware, hopefully, I struggled in a meeting with five professional individuals on Wednesday, the 24 of February, 2016, to have Jennie Kinal taken off the Hydromorphone, considering it appears as the primary cause for why it killed her, as according to RN Delaney, on February 3rd, 2016. They crazily, like unreasonable psychopaths on a mission of self destruction, argued against it.. claiming my reasoning they would at all costs refuse to tune into.. so mush so.. that Dr. Semus suggested, perhaps an alternative could be found to stop their
naked exposure to the light of being.. and would get on that, quickly, as they had done.. as it was achieved, the next day. Despite Jennie and myself stating, we do not want to be doped.. we want our bodies to heal without the confusion created by opiates, and poisons that mess with the muscles of our lungs to stop one from breathing.. But who cares truly for the health as well being of person or persons truly, for they appear insisting, Jennie's life is not the concern here.. The concern is not allowing her to live, free of the lie, that she still has, "multiple organ failure" going on three weeks..pigging out.. (she wants yogurt, egg salad, salmon, blue berries, and some kind of specialty
stews..) , Instead of facing the mistake, they've chosen still, to steal her life.. Her life loved by me.. As it has turned out however, the new opiate concoction administered by patch, exposed the reality, with the turn around.. That NO PAIN Jennie had, or has through the transformation to getting well.. But get this my learned friends.. prepare yourself.. Friday morning, February 27 2016.. Vanessa, head of all nurses for the Health Science Center, ward 4H and beyond, at approximately 9:14 am, informed me, that Jennie yelled throughout the night.. I spoke to state, that even so, the quantification she was making is still unknown.. See, it could mean, her screaming is a good thing.. because,
now she can breath.. Then she said, challenging my great wisdom of all ages, she had been screaming, "help me".. I asked Vanessa firstly, "was she then sedated", she responded, "no, she wasn't." I then said, "so this is then in the official report? She said "yes..". "Oh", I said.. "I arrived here at approximately 6:18 am, and was approached by the night Nurse responsible for Jennie, knowing her well, over this life and death struggle.. and she's stated that Jennie was exceptional through the night.. rested comfortably.. as showing a good sign for progress." I then looked over to my left, and there she was.. six feet away, not gone home yet.. I stated, "Hi.. ..did you hear Jennie scream,
'help me, help me', through the night?" She only looked briefly in terror at the face of Vanessa, then turned quickly, without a word.. and took off out of there.. Oh oh.. This is very serious.. potentially deadly if you asked me to speak in all candor, knowing what I know.. as true, holds some jeopardy to the night Nurse's true professionalism for starters, as Vanessa is her blindly foolish superior .. Why so certain? I don't have to tell you, as the College of Registered Nurses here in Manitoba, but for those not familiar reading here. See.. That would mean, Vanessa has committed a crime, and should in all fairness, though PUBLIC fair trial, be challenged to lose her license for a
lifetime.. and.. we most definitely need to call the cops about the attempted murder no doubt.. As I've stated since this madness of contempt for thousands of innocent lives started, by irrational constructs, of those who mostly only deceive themselves when Johnny enters the scene .. Do not now, in addition to holding Jennie's life in contempt, do so also, to the other wonderful woman who has done no harm alleged to anyone, being curtious, kind, and all around.. a really sweet gal.. I immediately explained this true horror occurring in real time to Dr. Semus, of which Vanessa, only feet away to hear me explain.. took the stage.. Time is pressing.. and this story is far from over.. though
when telling of her twisting to tale a fib so ridiculous, Dr. Semus walked away while she was speaking... In short form, she claimed she spoke not of 'through the night', but of 'through the evening'.. defining such a term as between 3pm and 5:30 pm.. trouble is, I was there with Jennie through out near that entire frame.. as was the tricky Dr. Colister.. and three others from Palliative care.. No.. four.. I left at approximately, 5:12pm that day.. I kid not.. my life is bared to witness. So, of course.. I then expressed THE ONLY RIGHT I have in demanding the report of my mother's treatment from starting on this allegation against a honorable nurse to finish including the critical incident
summaries of her death on February 3rd.. And in short form, Dr. Semus, responded, he had no knowledge of February 3rd, 2016.. Despite, Wednesday, the 24 of February, 2016 (Many Doctors lead busy busy lives I suppose..) WOW.. that means.. well.. you as the professionals should know without me telling.. I will my mother to be moved from 4H at our earliest convenience, and especially, not given opiates mixed with poisons to further steal her precious innocent life.. She does not deserve this.. nor should anyone else, ever again.. We need a public action to remedy this for the better good of everyone..With the newspaper or without..Thousands here in Winnipeg have fallen victim to die forsaken,
according to my discussions with one Provincial investigator's aid. That of which, we together, don't yet, have the manpower, or the jurisdiction.. the Police do though, as lead by experienced practitioners.. I will to assist in any way possible to get to the core of what is important here.. My mother.. Let's let science prevail in determining what serves our health best how about my friends?

Addendum : when I stated that it could be a positive thing that Jennie can now freely breath instead of being suffocated, I also stated, that she is for this day, eating more than she has since entering the hospital.. a container of blue berries, three yogurts, egg salad.. Vanessa immediately responded, by stating "I don't know that." See? No care for Jennie's well being..


Love John.
or Johnny..
or whatever..
let's do this..

<snip>


EXTRAS..


No_police_investigations_allowed_for_murder_in_Manitoba___The_Kinal_Matter.
(tiny 4 meg file of police claiming no investigations allowed.)
http://www.uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1466222572
https://www.sendmyway.com/q2z52ljtjtft
http://www.promptfile.com/l/7498BDC6E7-BC6B9EB519
http://turbobit.net/6x42jymmvske.html
https://tusfiles.net/dti5zlv6jzck
https://userscloud.com/7rjwkj4njb2m
http://www.filedais.com/yr0lcnx9xzm1.htm

TheTruth - update on the case of murders still occurring
at Winnipeg’s Health Sciences Center – H4.
NEW AUDIO of Chief Medical Examiner of Manitoba..
(eleven megabyte audio file)
http://up.media1fire.com/deeagskgse8v
http://ge.tt/5sCxg3Z2
https://bitster.cz/file/89a4a4
http://d-h.st/wNuq
http://filesflash.net/dgik5ndx
http://turbobit.net/16jszj6qbwxh.html
https://dailyuploads.net/0294ic1v3pba
http://sharesend.com/ko1dgrx2
http://rusfolder.com/45106740
http://cloud.directupload.net/4N9z

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(..this on the first attempt at murder..)
Introduction to the Case: back-from-the-dead
http://media4up.com/df78kenxnwul
https://1fichier.com/?faldf0d5q1
https://bitster.cz/file/131a27
http://coolbytez.com/tii1qf0alob4
https://userscloud.com/aa5iwfsx64z6
http://webshare.cz/file/3fq6D172S6/
http://flexydrive.com/2ki8tthe3cml
http://www.filedais.com/yg63thrry8hc.htm
http://megadrive.tv/ltfpizrplmij
https://cloud-share.in/rfq8hgcqt93n


Evidence on the continuing murders - 250+meg file
https://www.europeup.com/zac8yxvrqqne.html
http://megadrive.tv/nv37uvrs9b56
https://tusfiles.net/g2yx7jv4szuv
http://filesflash.com/qxlnu649
https://upload.so/xexu539f4qsc
http://megadrive.tv/lhxxaahy4l3p
http://www.anafile.com/kjtldva7c0nd.html
http://d-h.st/9PJR
http://megadrive.tv/n7h1b7e0z1jy
http://rusfolder.com/45212375


Please, for the love of God, forward this concern as if it were your own..As it should be. Are we not human? All I ask for is Justice fairly wagered, while our police are forbidden to do so by Mike at the PSB. Complicit in mass murders in the thousands. I wish it weren't true too.. Don't hide from this reality, it is truly unbecoming..

I am begging Humanity for help.. please be human.
the late Jennie Kinal, the town slut of Winnipeg
2016-09-26 18:36:38 UTC
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Jennie Kinal was the whore of Winnipeg. She spread her HIV-oozing box
far too often. She had to be put down as a matter of public health.
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