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Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
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Dodgy is as dodgy does
2016-11-27 11:02:45 UTC
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Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad



--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Howard
2016-11-27 14:40:19 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?

/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto

Using facts and evidence?

Carole has a personal ax to grind?
Bob Officer
2016-11-27 20:44:54 UTC
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Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.

I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.

Sad isn't it.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Dodgy is as dodgy does
2016-11-28 09:10:23 UTC
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
Post by Bob Officer
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Howard
2016-11-28 18:11:18 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes it is.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that
comes from official US sources is.
It demonstrates no such thing.
It's fake news, not real news.

http://nyti.ms/2gy2Bhu

http://nyti.ms/2eU1n3F

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ze333p5
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote the zero hedge manifesto ... - to widen the scope of
financial, economic and political information available to the
professional investing public. - to skeptically examine and,
where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial
journalism has become. - to liberate oppressed knowledge. - to
provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint. - to
facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and
fact checking found it to be more of a false news and information
web site, which often has reported rumors as being true, or even
repeating other false news sites as if they were true. There seems
to be a large number of these false news sites which have sprung up
over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that
US official information is all dodgy.
You're not able to differentiate between fake news and real news.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It is fake, all official US information is fake.
Examples? Evidence?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers fake which is
supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts out, the
opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so totally
corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
Circular argument without evidence to support it.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
Carole is an idiot.
Bob Officer
2016-11-29 02:12:44 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes and yes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
You been told zerohedge is not a reliable source of information.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
That is utter nonsense, Carole. Just like your claim of Trump draining the
swamp, all he is doing is a
Pointed the monsters from the deepest depths of the swamp.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2016-11-29 21:56:25 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes and yes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
You been told zerohedge is not a reliable source of information.
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
The mainstream media (msm) and the US government.
Anything on their "fake news" list is worth reading because they
compile this list to stop people finding the truth.

Latest case in point -- Fidel Castro.
They label him as a dictator, a murder and whatever.
They tried to assassinate him about 100 times, and were against him
because he was independent on the US and didn't buy into their crap.

Fidel Castro Ruz. His Legacy Will Live Forever
By Fidel Castro Ruz and Prof Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/5559030

I'd believe Michel Chossudovsky over any source you come up with.

Like Trump says the msm are a pack of lying scum who work for the
global elite to disinform and keep the people ignorant.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
That is utter nonsense, Carole. Just like your claim of Trump draining the
swamp, all he is doing is a
Pointed the monsters from the deepest depths of the swamp.
Sorry bob, but your opinions are dodgy..
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Carole's Braindead Nonsense
2016-11-29 23:58:58 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
Bob Officer
2016-11-30 01:18:57 UTC
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Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.

The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2016-12-01 13:48:47 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.


--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
Clay
2016-12-02 05:01:51 UTC
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:48:47 +1100, Duncan <***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

<snip>

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-38156985
Lu
2016-12-02 16:28:29 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
That problem is where you fail every time simply because you never check your
sources.

THe first thing you should do is read every one of the points you throw at
Bob that are meant to denigrate him and apply them to yourself. Look very
closely because those are your own failings, every one of them. You are
always describing yourself when you attempt to mock Bob.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
--
Duncan
--
Lu
Bob Officer
2016-12-02 17:54:08 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
That problem is where you fail every time simply because you never check your
sources.
It takes work to keep up with he differences between rumors and news. The
large number of fake news site is as bad a problem as the group making
false new reports for political causes.

The damage which was done by just one of these lies are still ongoing. I
watched a CNN interview where a Fox News edited film clip was used to
justify the false claim of the of president telling unlawful immigrants to
vote. When the claim was fact check by actually producing the transcript of
the speech on the air, the political pundits were shocked.

When I watch a news clip of a speech I try to find a transcript. When
someone cites a person with a one or two liner cite I try to find the
context of what that citation actually was. Carole likes to use citation
completely out of context, and this often makes it appear the person is
saying the exact oppose of what they actually said.

It takes work to remain skeptical and as I pointed out time after time,
Carole is intellectually lazy. If something is hard to understand she
ignores it or disparages that actually takes the time to gain knowledge.

Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is nothing but willful ignorance, the
refusal to learn.
Post by Lu
THe first thing you should do is read every one of the points you throw at
Bob that are meant to denigrate him and apply them to yourself. Look very
closely because those are your own failings, every one of them. You are
always describing yourself when you attempt to mock Bob.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2016-12-03 19:01:01 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
That problem is where you fail every time simply because you never check your
sources.
It takes work to keep up with he differences between rumors and news. The
large number of fake news site is as bad a problem as the group making
false new reports for political causes.
And really highlighted this past election, with click bait topping the list.
Post by Bob Officer
The damage which was done by just one of these lies are still ongoing. I
watched a CNN interview where a Fox News edited film clip was used to
justify the false claim of the of president telling unlawful immigrants to
vote. When the claim was fact check by actually producing the transcript of
the speech on the air, the political pundits were shocked.
When I watch a news clip of a speech I try to find a transcript. When
someone cites a person with a one or two liner cite I try to find the
context of what that citation actually was. Carole likes to use citation
completely out of context, and this often makes it appear the person is
saying the exact oppose of what they actually said.
It takes work to remain skeptical and as I pointed out time after time,
Carole is intellectually lazy. If something is hard to understand she
ignores it or disparages that actually takes the time to gain knowledge.
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is nothing but willful ignorance, the
refusal to learn.
In 9th grade journalism class the teacher mentioned that we should never
believe anything we read or hear and only half of what we see. After the war,
I would say about 1948 something happened that caused me to lose faith in the
news media and I never regained that faith.

As you said, I also listened to televised speechs and the news clips, and
then read/listened to all the comments on that speech. I was stunned. They
seem to think that we, who had just listened to that speech, would believe
all their twisting of the words we just heard with our own ears or their
warped version of what they claim was said. (just like Carole when I think
about it.)


This past election was, to me, the end of any shreds of belief I still had in
Journalism and the news media and probably their dooms day for all of us. It
was like a "free for all" of ugliness with lies coming at us from every
direction. It got so bad, to me, that I read all the BS just to see what
poison was being spread that day and by whom.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
THe first thing you should do is read every one of the points you throw at
Bob that are meant to denigrate him and apply them to yourself. Look very
closely because those are your own failings, every one of them. You are
always describing yourself when you attempt to mock Bob.
--
Lu

When deciding on medical treatment, we must weigh the risks involved. Among
those risks are a *90% chance of survival and a healthier future, all with or
without the aid of maintenance drugs, *a 10% chance of dying from a medical
accident and *0% chance of a healthy outcome without treatment or using
alternative remedies which is the same as no treatment.



In deciding to use a medicine, or maintenance drug, the risks of taking the
medicine must be weighed against the good it will do. This is a decision you
and your doctor will make.
Bob Officer
2016-12-04 21:34:27 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
That problem is where you fail every time simply because you never check your
sources.
It takes work to keep up with he differences between rumors and news. The
large number of fake news site is as bad a problem as the group making
false new reports for political causes.
And really highlighted this past election, with click bait topping the list.
And it is still going on.
I keep hearing people talk about crimes which never happened.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
The damage which was done by just one of these lies are still ongoing. I
watched a CNN interview where a Fox News edited film clip was used to
justify the false claim of the of president telling unlawful immigrants to
vote. When the claim was fact check by actually producing the transcript of
the speech on the air, the political pundits were shocked.
When I watch a news clip of a speech I try to find a transcript. When
someone cites a person with a one or two liner cite I try to find the
context of what that citation actually was. Carole likes to use citation
completely out of context, and this often makes it appear the person is
saying the exact oppose of what they actually said.
It takes work to remain skeptical and as I pointed out time after time,
Carole is intellectually lazy. If something is hard to understand she
ignores it or disparages that actually takes the time to gain knowledge.
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is nothing but willful ignorance, the
refusal to learn.
In 9th grade journalism class the teacher mentioned that we should never
believe anything we read or hear and only half of what we see. After the war,
I would say about 1948 something happened that caused me to lose faith in the
news media and I never regained that faith.
I had the same quotation given to me in public speaking class.

Most of the time in speech class was spent on how to do fact checking and
information gathering. I read thousands of transcripts of speeches and
letters to gather and check facts, all transcribed the points onto those
3x5 cards. I had boxes and boxes of facts on the debate question. I could
often switch sides and leRned to argue the side I didn't necessary agree
with.

Learning to do that type research has served me well over the years.
Post by Lu
As you said, I also listened to televised speechs and the news clips, and
then read/listened to all the comments on that speech. I was stunned. They
seem to think that we, who had just listened to that speech, would believe
all their twisting of the words we just heard with our own ears or their
warped version of what they claim was said. (just like Carole when I think
about it.)
Years ago I read one of Newt Gingrich's books. In it had had a two lists of
adjectives and adverbs to use to twist the simple minded people's POV. We
saw the results of the use of the word "crooked" before the use of her
first name. He ended it with the combined adjective and name to become the
most caustic invective.

The real truth was the only crooked person on the stage was Trump.
Hillary's greatest failure was not taking the tool,away from him early on
the election cycle.
Post by Lu
This past election was, to me, the end of any shreds of belief I still had in
Journalism and the news media and probably their dooms day for all of us. It
was like a "free for all" of ugliness with lies coming at us from every
direction. It got so bad, to me, that I read all the BS just to see what
poison was being spread that day and by whom.
The media gave him far to many free air minutes. And he actually pander to
the media for those free minutes.

I keep asking just how can any legally operated casino go bankrupt?
There is a built in take for the house on every win of at least 1/6 of the
winnings ( that take for craps, all other games have the house taking a
bigger part of the payout aka The Vig aka Vyigrysh. Keno like games have
the house take of about 60%, slots rake is around 70% of the payout.)
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
The first thing you should do is read every one of the points you throw at
Bob that are meant to denigrate him and apply them to yourself. Look very
closely because those are your own failings, every one of them. You are
always describing yourself when you attempt to mock Bob.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Anon
2016-12-05 01:59:37 UTC
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:54:08 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
That problem is where you fail every time simply because you never check your
sources.
It takes work to keep up with he differences between rumors and news. The
large number of fake news site is as bad a problem as the group making
false new reports for political causes.
The damage which was done by just one of these lies are still ongoing. I
watched a CNN interview where a Fox News edited film clip was used to
justify the false claim of the of president telling unlawful immigrants to
vote. When the claim was fact check by actually producing the transcript of
the speech on the air, the political pundits were shocked.
The mainstream media are notorious for lying.
They are supposed to fact check their information.
However, since one of the ways to control society is to feed the
people misinformation, the mainstream media is a tool of the global
elite to keep the people ignorant of what is really happening and to
cause dissensions in society.
Post by Bob Officer
When I watch a news clip of a speech I try to find a transcript. When
someone cites a person with a one or two liner cite I try to find the
context of what that citation actually was. Carole likes to use citation
completely out of context, and this often makes it appear the person is
saying the exact oppose of what they actually said.
It takes work to remain skeptical and as I pointed out time after time,
Carole is intellectually lazy. If something is hard to understand she
ignores it or disparages that actually takes the time to gain knowledge.
Bob, people are entitled to have true news on mainstream media, like
they are entitled to have real medicine from their doctors rather than
pharmaceutical drugs which cause more health problems than they cure,
people are entitled to get reliable information from financial
advisers, and so on.
If people need to fact check media, rely on their own research for
health, financial advice and so on, what is the use of so-called
experts? And what is the reason for the mainstream media when their
information needs to be fact-checked?

This is the reason that alternative media has become so popular - 1.
It raises issues that mainstream ignores, 2. It isn't afraid to
confront the real issues that matter, 3. It doesn't use spin and lies
and promote itself as the only true source, 4. The people are fed up
with the lies and spin. This is why mainstream media is losing
credibility and people turning to alternative.

The reason whistleblowers are demonised isn't because they threaten
national security, but because the global controllers want to keep the
people in the dark -- easier to control and manipulate that way.

Ever watch the show on TV called 'Escaping Poligamy'? its a good show,
you should watch it sometime. It shows how people brought up in a very
restrictive environment, fed certain information that the outside
world is "of the devil" and that you can only please god by listening
to the church elders and doing their bidding.
These people are so brainwashed they hold the church elders in the
highest regard, hang on their every word, put up with emotional and
mental abuse and do whatever they are told for fear of losing god's
favour.
Same as the mainstream media where people are told it is true and the
only valid source of information. To think for yourself is a sin, you
need to only trust mainstream "experts".
Post by Bob Officer
Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is nothing but willful ignorance, the
refusal to learn.
Unfortunately bob, you don't know what you're talking about.
People like you are a dying breed, that expect others to hang on the
words of "experts" and "reliable sources". You never take the reality
into account that mainstream is totally corrupt and serves nobody
except the global controllers.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
THe first thing you should do is read every one of the points you throw at
Bob that are meant to denigrate him and apply them to yourself. Look very
closely because those are your own failings, every one of them. You are
always describing yourself when you attempt to mock Bob.
--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."

Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55


"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/29/feel-good-hoax-how-us-propaganda-works-in-the-syrian-war/
"‘Feel Good Hoax’: How US Propaganda Works in the Syrian War
September 29, 2016 By 21wire 1 Comment

21st Century Wire says…

One thing is certain about the War on Syria: the propaganda war being
waged by the west and all of its agencies, from government to
corporate media, to charities and third sector NGOs – is much larger
and more pernicious than anything seen in modern history."
Major
2016-12-05 07:17:57 UTC
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Post by Anon
Unfortunately bob, you don't know what you're talking about.
People like you are a dying breed, that expect others to hang on the
words of "experts" and "reliable sources". You never take the reality
into account that mainstream is totally corrupt and serves nobody
except the global controllers.
Carole is a moron.
Bob Officer
2016-12-04 22:05:23 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.

The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.

Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.

Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2016-12-06 22:25:53 UTC
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.

Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.

The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.


--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Stick
2016-12-06 23:44:11 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Right.

As if *you* know what is approved, and what isn't, and the difference
between the two.

Guess what: it's not about "approval."
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up
place, and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow
dissent, that suppresses facts that don't fit the established
narrative.
In other words, you were wondering why your understanding of the world
didn't quite measure up.

And the reason turns out to be that you never learned much, and you
understand far less.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking.
Right.

You can't deal with minutae and details, yet *you* believe you
understand what's in the the ball park and what isn't.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along with the
system, you think you're right.
Right.

The "system" is the body of accumulated knowledge, universally accepted
based on proof of facts, weight of evidence, and evaluation by logic,
but *you* never learned anything about that and to this day refuse to learn.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
No, he doesn't.
Examples won't help you.
You'd refuse to look at them, just as you refuse to read about Dunning
and Kruger from readily available references provided to date.

Admit it: you just can't be bothered. It's your form of protest.

Guess what: your refusal to learn hurts no one else but you.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
Your first three words are correct. You don't know. Period.

And you refuse to find out because you are a lazy and stubborn loser.

Guess what: no one cares about your sour grapes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Guess what. The people who refuse to learn are the ones who don't
understand the status quo.

That's you, Carole. You're the ignoramus.
Major
2016-12-07 00:37:27 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Carole is an idiot.
Lu
2016-12-07 18:53:53 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Bob would not have spent years wondering about anything. He would have done
the research needed to find the answer.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
You would be one of the examples.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Not too many of them around.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
--
Dodgy Dealings
--
Lu
Bob Officer
2016-12-07 19:31:08 UTC
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Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Bob would not have spent years wondering about anything. He would have done
the research needed to find the answer.
I did. Then I decided where I could do make my best effort for,greatest
effect. Over 20 summers spent as an **unpaid** volunteer running a summer
camp. All the hours and days of extra training and gaining skills.
So over the years of time I helped influence 1000 of young minds. To make a
difference tomorrow you must work for that change yesterday.
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
You would be one of the examples.
She a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. People that are so ignorant
they do not know enough to tell how ignorant they are.

One of the prime examples back in the day, one instructor as a not for
credit question asked on our mid and end term finals our estimation of how
well we did on the test. Because I knew the material I quickly counted up
the questions I made my best guesses, and put down the number of guessed
answers. I found doing that I usually under estimated my number wrong
answers.

I find when I do not understand a technical term rather than. Guess its
meaning and call it dumbed down, I hit the books to gain understanding.
That is not brain washing as Carole decries that action, but independent
education.
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Not too many of them around.
The path of least resistance is ignorance, similar to Carole's path. The
refusal to learn or study or develop any understanding of the world around
you. The narrow blinkered view of the paranoid avoiding learning the bits
and pieces of which give you a slice of the larger picture.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Lu
2016-12-08 18:28:43 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Bob would not have spent years wondering about anything. He would have done
the research needed to find the answer.
I did. Then I decided where I could do make my best effort for,greatest
effect. Over 20 summers spent as an **unpaid** volunteer running a summer
camp. All the hours and days of extra training and gaining skills.
So over the years of time I helped influence 1000 of young minds. To make a
difference tomorrow you must work for that change yesterday.
Well, if it can figure out what you said, you will be hearing comments on how
you suppressed curiosity, refused to allow anyone to questions and all the
other crap it spouts about the quality of American education.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
You would be one of the examples.
She a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. People that are so ignorant
they do not know enough to tell how ignorant they are.
Another incident of it reading what she wanted to see rather than what was
actually written.
Post by Bob Officer
One of the prime examples back in the day, one instructor as a not for
credit question asked on our mid and end term finals our estimation of how
well we did on the test. Because I knew the material I quickly counted up
the questions I made my best guesses, and put down the number of guessed
answers. I found doing that I usually under estimated my number wrong
answers.
Reminds me of those stupid little tests I see on facebook all the time. I
generally score 9 or 10 out of 10 but in some cases I know that is wrong.
Post by Bob Officer
I find when I do not understand a technical term rather than. Guess its
meaning and call it dumbed down, I hit the books to gain understanding.
That is not brain washing as Carole decries that action, but independent
education.
Learning should not be limited to school. I have spent my life reading and
learning. This newsgroup does make me do a lot of looking up of things that
are posted but I have always had an inquisitive mind. You could find me
reading about any of the subjects discussed here or maybe a new hobby and
the next day replacing the hard drive in my computer or taking apart a coffee
maker or sewing machine and repairing it. All done with a set of directions
I buy (hobbies) or find on the internet.

The hardest part of changing the hard drive on a MacBookPro laptop was
waiting 4 hours for the drive back up to finish. I would say that the actual
changing of the drive took 15 to 20 minutes, a very easy computer to repair.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Not too many of them around.
The path of least resistance is ignorance, similar to Carole's path. The
refusal to learn or study or develop any understanding of the world around
you. The narrow blinkered view of the paranoid avoiding learning the bits
and pieces of which give you a slice of the larger picture.
--
Lu
Bob Officer
2016-12-08 21:16:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news and how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to understand how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Bob would not have spent years wondering about anything. He would have done
the research needed to find the answer.
I did. Then I decided where I could do make my best effort for,greatest
effect. Over 20 summers spent as an **unpaid** volunteer running a summer
camp. All the hours and days of extra training and gaining skills.
So over the years of time I helped influence 1000 of young minds. To make a
difference tomorrow you must work for that change yesterday.
Well, if it can figure out what you said, you will be hearing comments on how
you suppressed curiosity, refused to allow anyone to questions and all the
other crap it spouts about the quality of American education.
If I taught anything, I taught to challenge, try their best, test
themselves and observe.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
You would be one of the examples.
She a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. People that are so ignorant
they do not know enough to tell how ignorant they are.
Another incident of it reading what she wanted to see rather than what was
actually written.
Post by Bob Officer
One of the prime examples back in the day, one instructor as a not for
credit question asked on our mid and end term finals our estimation of how
well we did on the test. Because I knew the material I quickly counted up
the questions I made my best guesses, and put down the number of guessed
answers. I found doing that I usually under estimated my number wrong
answers.
Reminds me of those stupid little tests I see on facebook all the time. I
generally score 9 or 10 out of 10 but in some cases I know that is wrong.
Most of those types of test are very poorly designed. Some instructors have
a opinion that no test on studied material is valid if you do not miss a
question. They feel that testing is designed to show how well the material
is being taught, as well as how well you know the material. Given a large
enough group of students 100-200 a bell curve is a general indication of
both. One needs to look at where the center of the bell is placed.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I find when I do not understand a technical term rather than. Guess its
meaning and call it dumbed down, I hit the books to gain understanding.
That is not brain washing as Carole decries that action, but independent
education.
Learning should not be limited to school. I have spent my life reading and
learning. This newsgroup does make me do a lot of looking up of things that
are posted but I have always had an inquisitive mind. You could find me
reading about any of the subjects discussed here or maybe a new hobby and
the next day replacing the hard drive in my computer or taking apart a coffee
maker or sewing machine and repairing it. All done with a set of directions
I buy (hobbies) or find on the internet.
The hardest part of changing the hard drive on a MacBookPro laptop was
waiting 4 hours for the drive back up to finish. I would say that the actual
changing of the drive took 15 to 20 minutes, a very easy computer to repair.
Backups & restores take a while. I perfect cloning PC drives if possible.
Never had a mac book the closest I get is this iPad.

The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Everything at work was either dumb terminals or PCs running Linux. For a
while we had two HPs alpha running an OPEN VMS operating system.
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Not too many of them around.
The path of least resistance is ignorance, similar to Carole's path. The
refusal to learn or study or develop any understanding of the world around
you. The narrow blinkered view of the paranoid avoiding learning the bits
and pieces of which give you a slice of the larger picture.
--
Lu
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stick
2016-12-08 21:39:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?

Why Linux?
Bob Officer
2016-12-09 06:40:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?
Why Linux?
Because most of the machines were I worked ran some version of Unix/Linux
and either smart or dumb terminals. I could work in both environments that
way. By the time some one had developed/came up with a decent 'unix kernel
for MAC OS, most of the people had already adopted a Linux kernel. IT was
if Apple could not see why anyone would want anything other than iOS
operating system.

We had this real nice set of monitoring software which could show the rapid
changes in system loads in near real time. It was written in unix and
widely used.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Stick
2016-12-09 07:31:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?
Why Linux?
Because most of the machines were I worked ran some version of Unix/Linux
and either smart or dumb terminals. I could work in both environments that
way. By the time some one had developed/came up with a decent 'unix kernel
for MAC OS, most of the people had already adopted a Linux kernel. IT was
if Apple could not see why anyone would want anything other than iOS
operating system.
We had this real nice set of monitoring software which could show the rapid
changes in system loads in near real time. It was written in unix and
widely used.
Well, you mentioned smart and dumb terminals, but what about thin clients?

By the way, I thought you'd enjoy this:

"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every
part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." - John Glenn
Lu
2016-12-09 15:47:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?
Why Linux?
Because most of the machines were I worked ran some version of Unix/Linux
and either smart or dumb terminals. I could work in both environments that
way. By the time some one had developed/came up with a decent 'unix kernel
for MAC OS, most of the people had already adopted a Linux kernel. IT was
if Apple could not see why anyone would want anything other than iOS
operating system.
We had this real nice set of monitoring software which could show the rapid
changes in system loads in near real time. It was written in unix and
widely used.
Well, you mentioned smart and dumb terminals, but what about thin clients?
"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every
part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." - John Glenn
LOL, I like it. Did he really say that.


--
Lu
Stick
2016-12-09 15:53:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?
Why Linux?
Because most of the machines were I worked ran some version of Unix/Linux
and either smart or dumb terminals. I could work in both environments that
way. By the time some one had developed/came up with a decent 'unix kernel
for MAC OS, most of the people had already adopted a Linux kernel. IT was
if Apple could not see why anyone would want anything other than iOS
operating system.
We had this real nice set of monitoring software which could show the rapid
changes in system loads in near real time. It was written in unix and
widely used.
Well, you mentioned smart and dumb terminals, but what about thin clients?
"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every
part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." - John Glenn
LOL, I like it. Did he really say that.
The quote is attributed to him,

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/83787.John_Glenn

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/08/john-glenn-last-of-america-s-first-astronauts-dead-at-95.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/health/john-glenn-dead/

Lu
2016-12-09 15:45:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Stick
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Why dual boot?
Why Linux?
Because most of the machines were I worked ran some version of Unix/Linux
and either smart or dumb terminals. I could work in both environments that
way. By the time some one had developed/came up with a decent 'unix kernel
for MAC OS, most of the people had already adopted a Linux kernel. IT was
if Apple could not see why anyone would want anything other than iOS
operating system.
Does anyone know of some Apple software that will open old Quark EXpress
files that have changed to Unix?
Post by Bob Officer
We had this real nice set of monitoring software which could show the rapid
changes in system loads in near real time. It was written in unix and
widely used.
--
Lu

When deciding on medical treatment, we must weigh the risks involved. Among
those risks are a *90% chance of survival and a healthier future, all with or
without the aid of maintenance drugs, *a 10% chance of dying from a medical
accident and *0% chance of a healthy outcome without treatment or using
alternative remedies which is the same as no treatment.



In deciding to use a medicine, or maintenance drug, the risks of taking the
medicine must be weighed against the good it will do. This is a decision you
and your doctor will make.
Lu
2016-12-09 15:42:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Carole's Braindead Nonsense
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 08:56:25 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
Yes. YOU, and ANY source you cite!!
I posted a few articles today dealing with the problem of fake news
and
how
distortion of real news takes place. One of the articles even lists a few
of the major fake or distorted or web. Sites which are nothing more than
click bait.
The real problem most of the people here now vet the articles they post
here. There is however one person here which doesn't seem to
understand
how
to fact check anything.
The problem is bob, that you need to know what is true before you can
differentiate between true and false.
No Carole, I spent years learning how to research for factual information.
You mean "factual", that which is approved by the status quo.
Well I spent years wondering why the world was such a fucked up place,
and why there is a system in place that doesn't allow dissent, that
suppresses facts that don't fit the established narrative.
Bob would not have spent years wondering about anything. He would have done
the research needed to find the answer.
I did. Then I decided where I could do make my best effort for,greatest
effect. Over 20 summers spent as an **unpaid** volunteer running a summer
camp. All the hours and days of extra training and gaining skills.
So over the years of time I helped influence 1000 of young minds. To make a
difference tomorrow you must work for that change yesterday.
Well, if it can figure out what you said, you will be hearing comments on how
you suppressed curiosity, refused to allow anyone to questions and all the
other crap it spouts about the quality of American education.
If I taught anything, I taught to challenge, try their best, test
themselves and observe.
Much needed skills.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
The real problem is you don't not read and understand the information you
cite. You do not follow references and if you happen to see words or
phrases you don't know or understand you often ignore those words and
phrase, often discounting entire articles as technical.
No, the problem is you get caught up in the minutae and technical
details and don't do ball park checks to see if you're on track with
your thinking. Oh and as long as you get a conclusion that goes along
with the system, you think you're right.
Post by Bob Officer
Your willful ignorance is a sign that your are mentally lazy, and like tend
to follow the path of least resistance.
Dunning And Kruger would like to interview you, I understand, for their new
book, _Prime Examples_.
You'll have to give some examples from Dunning and Kruger.
I don't know if they have much to offer that is helpful to anybody.
You would be one of the examples.
She a prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect. People that are so ignorant
they do not know enough to tell how ignorant they are.
Another incident of it reading what she wanted to see rather than what was
actually written.
Post by Bob Officer
One of the prime examples back in the day, one instructor as a not for
credit question asked on our mid and end term finals our estimation of how
well we did on the test. Because I knew the material I quickly counted up
the questions I made my best guesses, and put down the number of guessed
answers. I found doing that I usually under estimated my number wrong
answers.
Reminds me of those stupid little tests I see on facebook all the time. I
generally score 9 or 10 out of 10 but in some cases I know that is wrong.
Most of those types of test are very poorly designed. Some instructors have
a opinion that no test on studied material is valid if you do not miss a
question. They feel that testing is designed to show how well the material
is being taught, as well as how well you know the material. Given a large
enough group of students 100-200 a bell curve is a general indication of
both. One needs to look at where the center of the bell is placed.
I think they are just an amusement for the FB followers. As to the whys and
whats on testing, I don't know. Challenges, not tests are my future.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
I find when I do not understand a technical term rather than. Guess its
meaning and call it dumbed down, I hit the books to gain understanding.
That is not brain washing as Carole decries that action, but independent
education.
Learning should not be limited to school. I have spent my life reading and
learning. This newsgroup does make me do a lot of looking up of things that
are posted but I have always had an inquisitive mind. You could find me
reading about any of the subjects discussed here or maybe a new hobby and
the next day replacing the hard drive in my computer or taking apart a coffee
maker or sewing machine and repairing it. All done with a set of directions
I buy (hobbies) or find on the internet.
The hardest part of changing the hard drive on a MacBookPro laptop was
waiting 4 hours for the drive back up to finish. I would say that the actual
changing of the drive took 15 to 20 minutes, a very easy computer to repair.
Backups & restores take a while. I perfect cloning PC drives if possible.
Never had a mac book the closest I get is this iPad.
I did clone the drive. Used some free cloning software that I downloaded. I
do have Time Machine running on the laptop but at this time, not the iMac,
yet.
Post by Bob Officer
The PCs I have have duel boot, Linux and windows. Or Linux with Wine which
is a Windows emulator
Don't know anything about Linux.
Post by Bob Officer
Everything at work was either dumb terminals or PCs running Linux. For a
while we had two HPs alpha running an OPEN VMS operating system.
I had a PC about 25 years ago. Found them too easy to screw up and harder
than the Macintosh to use. Of course, those Macs back then weren't much
better when it came to messing themselves up. I had to reformat the drive
several time. My 2003 iMac has never needed reformatting although I do have
to do something about my browser.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Lu
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
The people who follow the path of least resistance are those who fit
in with the status quo without question.
Not too many of them around.
The path of least resistance is ignorance, similar to Carole's path. The
refusal to learn or study or develop any understanding of the world around
you. The narrow blinkered view of the paranoid avoiding learning the bits
and pieces of which give you a slice of the larger picture.
--
Lu
--
Lu
Bob Officer
2016-11-30 01:18:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes and yes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
You been told zerohedge is not a reliable source of information.
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
The mainstream media (msm) and the US government.
Anything on their "fake news" list is worth reading because they
compile this list to stop people finding the truth.
MSM actually has one of the better vetting processes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Latest case in point -- Fidel Castro.
They label him as a dictator, a murder and whatever.
He was a dictator. He even admitted that, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
They tried to assassinate him about 100 times, and were against him
because he was independent on the US and didn't buy into their crap.
I know of no assassination attempts by this "They". He actually sold his
young men into Russian supplied army's which were used to kill people and
destabilize in Africa in the 1980s. He invited the Russian to set up
missile based in Cuba and lead the world to the brink of war.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Fidel Castro Ruz. His Legacy Will Live Forever
By Fidel Castro Ruz and Prof Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/5559030
I'd believe Michel Chossudovsky over any source you come up with.
You mean his claim the the US had prior knowledge of the 2004 tsunami? And
his full support of the Milosevic in Serbia?

He fact his own web site has been caught publishing fake news and images
multiple times isn't a healthy sign.

https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-Ethics-and-Norms-How-legitimate-is-The-Centre-for-Global-Research
Has a pretty well research article concerning this enconomist's fake news
site.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Like Trump says the msm are a pack of lying scum who work for the
global elite to disinform and keep the people ignorant.
The same Trump which is recruiting the swamp monsters for his cabinet?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
That is utter nonsense, Carole. Just like your claim of Trump draining the
swamp, all he is doing is a
Pointed the monsters from the deepest depths of the swamp.
Sorry bob, but your opinions are dodgy..
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Dodgy is as dodgy does
2016-12-01 13:47:29 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes and yes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
You been told zerohedge is not a reliable source of information.
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
The mainstream media (msm) and the US government.
Anything on their "fake news" list is worth reading because they
compile this list to stop people finding the truth.
MSM actually has one of the better vetting processes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Latest case in point -- Fidel Castro.
They label him as a dictator, a murder and whatever.
He was a dictator. He even admitted that, Carole.
A third world dictator.
There are two different opinions on Castro.
One is from the people who left Cuba after the coup that put Castro in
place, the other opinion is from the people who lived under his
regime.
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
Any country that doesn't go along with the globalist system is
targeted by US for overthrow.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
They tried to assassinate him about 100 times, and were against him
because he was independent on the US and didn't buy into their crap.
I know of no assassination attempts by this "They". He actually sold his
young men into Russian supplied army's which were used to kill people and
destabilize in Africa in the 1980s. He invited the Russian to set up
missile based in Cuba and lead the world to the brink of war.
The US puts a spin on anything that isn't favourable to it.
You'd need to double check any facts you think you know, but for you
this wouldn't be possible due to your closed mind.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Fidel Castro Ruz. His Legacy Will Live Forever
By Fidel Castro Ruz and Prof Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/5559030
I'd believe Michel Chossudovsky over any source you come up with.
You mean his claim the the US had prior knowledge of the 2004 tsunami? And
his full support of the Milosevic in Serbia?
He fact his own web site has been caught publishing fake news and images
multiple times isn't a healthy sign.
Its the msm that disseminates the fake news.
US is undeniably the best use of propaganda in the world.

Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
Post by Bob Officer
https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-Ethics-and-Norms-How-legitimate-is-The-Centre-for-Global-Research
Has a pretty well research article concerning this enconomist's fake news
site.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Like Trump says the msm are a pack of lying scum who work for the
global elite to disinform and keep the people ignorant.
The same Trump which is recruiting the swamp monsters for his cabinet?
Another topic that requires some research.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
That is utter nonsense, Carole. Just like your claim of Trump draining the
swamp, all he is doing is a
Pointed the monsters from the deepest depths of the swamp.
Sorry bob, but your opinions are dodgy..
Your opinions are very dodgy bob.


--
Dodgy Dealings

10 Counterinsurgency And 'Psy-Ops' Tactics Companies Use Against
Protesters
http://tinyurl.com/gskmtgx

This US Government Is The Most Corrupt In History
http://www.globalresearch.ca/this-us-government-is-the-most-corrupt-in-history/5525810

CDC EXPOSED
https://anticorruptionsociety.com/center-for-disease-control-exposed/

Big Pharma: social impact index reveals a lack of transparency
http://tinyurl.com/qe6r4aa


Institutional Corruption of Pharmaceuticals and the Myth of Safe and
Effective Drugs
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2282014

"Global pharmaceutical companies paid tax of just $85 million in
Australia on revenues of more than $8 billion.
http://tinyurl.com/qj8lmmb


The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://tinyurl.com/as5ynd3

U.S. Wealth-Concentration: Wealthiest Tenth (10%) of Americans Own 75%
of America
http://tinyurl.com/nzr4mw3

Modern schooling and the war against competition
http://tinyurl.com/o4bv7e6
"In many respects we don’t have a free market economy. We have
cartels, which are the escape from free market, not the natural
progression of free market. They wage war against competition, not by
the traditional means of attracting consumer confidence, but by taking
the reigns of power in government itself and wielding it against its
adversaries. The Rockefeller dynasty represents the epitome of
cartels. Rockefeller’s partnership with Germany’s pharmaceutical giant
I. G. Farben in 1929 formed the most powerful cartel in history."
Lu
2016-12-02 17:24:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 01:18:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:12:44 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveal
s-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
Yes and no.
Yes and yes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
It just demonstrates how generally dodgy anything that comes from
official US sources is.
You been told zerohedge is not a reliable source of information.
You know who is an unreliable source of information?
The mainstream media (msm) and the US government.
Anything on their "fake news" list is worth reading because they
compile this list to stop people finding the truth.
MSM actually has one of the better vetting processes.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Latest case in point -- Fidel Castro.
They label him as a dictator, a murder and whatever.
He was a dictator. He even admitted that, Carole.
A third world dictator.
There are two different opinions on Castro.
One is from the people who left Cuba after the coup that put Castro in
place, the other opinion is from the people who lived under his
regime.
They are still fleeing, risking their lives in anything that floats to get to
good old America, the land of the free and the land of plenty.

Never hear any opinions from the cuban people until they escape to USA.
You will hear them cheering Castro's death down there in FLorida.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
Any country that doesn't go along with the globalist system is
targeted by US for overthrow.
Guess Australia caved.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
They tried to assassinate him about 100 times, and were against him
because he was independent on the US and didn't buy into their crap.
I know of no assassination attempts by this "They". He actually sold his
young men into Russian supplied army's which were used to kill people and
destabilize in Africa in the 1980s. He invited the Russian to set up
missile based in Cuba and lead the world to the brink of war.
The US puts a spin on anything that isn't favourable to it.
You'd need to double check any facts you think you know, but for you
this wouldn't be possible due to your closed mind.
Another incident of Carole criticizing Bob for one of her own biggest
failings.

Yes, Carole, you do need to double check everything you think you know
because so far you have shown us that you don't know anything at all.

YOu could be locked in a room with the originals of all those alleged secret
documents this country has and still claim that US puts a spin on everything
there.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Fidel Castro Ruz. His Legacy Will Live Forever
By Fidel Castro Ruz and Prof Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/
5559030
I'd believe Michel Chossudovsky over any source you come up with.
You mean his claim the the US had prior knowledge of the 2004 tsunami? And
his full support of the Milosevic in Serbia?
He fact his own web site has been caught publishing fake news and images
multiple times isn't a healthy sign.
Its the msm that disseminates the fake news.
US is undeniably the best use of propaganda in the world.
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique.�According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
Is that all you read?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
https://www.quora.com/Journalistic-Ethics-and-Norms-How-legitimate-is-The-Ce
ntre-for-Global-Research
Has a pretty well research article concerning this enconomist's fake news
site.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Like Trump says the msm are a pack of lying scum who work for the
global elite to disinform and keep the people ignorant.
The same Trump which is recruiting the swamp monsters for his cabinet?
Another topic that requires some research.
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
Fact checking against US official information - the problem is that US
official information is all dodgy. It is fake, all official US
information is fake. But the way they deflect is to call truth-tellers
fake which is supposed to deflect. IOW whatever line official US puts
out, the opposite is most likely true. The whole system is just so
totally corrupt they call black white and vice versa.
That is utter nonsense, Carole. Just like your claim of Trump draining the
swamp, all he is doing is a
Pointed the monsters from the deepest depths of the swamp.
Sorry bob, but your opinions are dodgy..
Your opinions are very dodgy bob.
And yet, it is your opinions and credibility that is always questioned. How
do you explain that, Carole?
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
--
Dodgy Dealings
--
Lu
Clay
2016-12-02 20:56:31 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
Bob Officer
2016-12-04 21:12:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clay
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
For one to understand the Cuban issues, one needs to go back to at least
pre-prohibition era. Cubas two major cash crops were rum and tobacco. They
were controlled by American companies, and the workers were paid pittance.
The official government of Cuba was an American back set of people taking
bribes from the criminal cartel. Gambling and prostitution were the two
different major games in Cuba.

When prohibition came along the production of rum became prohibited. Sugar
was a fully control commodity in the US, mostly under the control of the
C&H corporation. That corporation swiftly move to slow or stop the flow of
sugar from Cuba.

By the time prohibition ended, Cuba's sugar was of major importance to the
war effort. After the war the Cubans had grown restless and started
demanding equitable returns for their labor and the removal of the criminal
elements in the US puppet government. Along come our newest puppet
"Batista" which fell to what was deemed an unfriendly military persona,
Fidel Castro. When he was opposed by the US, the US made its largest
blunder ever the CIA not so secret bay of pigs invasion and Castro turned
to Russia for help, And Russia supplied the needed help.

The US and its actions helped make the Cuba as it is today. And that's sad.
The mistrust lead to years of refusal to talk directly.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Anon
2016-12-05 01:23:30 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:12:06 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
For one to understand the Cuban issues, one needs to go back to at least
pre-prohibition era. Cubas two major cash crops were rum and tobacco. They
were controlled by American companies, and the workers were paid pittance.
The official government of Cuba was an American back set of people taking
bribes from the criminal cartel. Gambling and prostitution were the two
different major games in Cuba.
Not really bob.

To understand any issue where the US is involved, one only has to look
at the lies, spin and preparedness to use brute force, pre-emptive war
and nuclear weapons. The rest is merely equivalent of semantics.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/5559030
Fidel Castro’s October 15, 2010 Message on the Dangers of Nuclear War

"The use of nuclear weapons in a new war would mean the end of
humanity. This was candidly foreseen by scientist Albert Einstein who
was able to measure their destructive capability to generate millions
of degrees of heat, which would vaporize everything within a wide
radius of action. This brilliant researcher had promoted the
development of this weapon so that it would not become available to
the genocidal Nazi regime."

but yet the US is prepared to use nuclear weapons and kill civilians
(a war crime). So instead of setting an example to the rest of the
world and fostering diplomatic solutions, the US goes for pre-emptive
war and, "the right to protect" being an excuse for over-throwing
regimes based on cooked up evidence and propaganda.
Post by Bob Officer
When prohibition came along the production of rum became prohibited. Sugar
was a fully control commodity in the US, mostly under the control of the
C&H corporation. That corporation swiftly move to slow or stop the flow of
sugar from Cuba.
By the time prohibition ended, Cuba's sugar was of major importance to the
war effort. After the war the Cubans had grown restless and started
demanding equitable returns for their labor and the removal of the criminal
elements in the US puppet government. Along come our newest puppet
"Batista" which fell to what was deemed an unfriendly military persona,
Fidel Castro. When he was opposed by the US, the US made its largest
blunder ever the CIA not so secret bay of pigs invasion and Castro turned
to Russia for help, And Russia supplied the needed help.
The US and its actions helped make the Cuba as it is today. And that's sad.
The mistrust lead to years of refusal to talk directly.
Your typical MO is confound with bullshit.
There is no excuse for nuclear weapons, there is no excuse for killing
civilians, and no excuse for lying and lack of transparency.

The people pay for the US government and they have a right to know
what is being done in their name. The problem is that secrecy, where
whistleblowers become criminals and the death penalty is called for,
is a sign of deep corruption, where absolute power corrupts
absolutely. US exceptionalism is not a valid reason for the US to
disregard the rights of other countries.

But you're too stupid to work all this out, being the pawn you are to
the establishment.


--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."

Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies

2.50.55


"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/29/feel-good-hoax-how-us-propaganda-works-in-the-syrian-war/
"‘Feel Good Hoax’: How US Propaganda Works in the Syrian War
September 29, 2016 By 21wire 1 Comment

21st Century Wire says…

One thing is certain about the War on Syria: the propaganda war being
waged by the west and all of its agencies, from government to
corporate media, to charities and third sector NGOs – is much larger
and more pernicious than anything seen in modern history."
Major
2016-12-05 07:13:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
To understand any issue where the US is involved, one only has to look
at the lies, spin and preparedness to use brute force, pre-emptive war
and nuclear weapons. The rest is merely equivalent of semantics.
but yet the US is prepared to use nuclear weapons and kill civilians
(a war crime). So instead of setting an example to the rest of the
world and fostering diplomatic solutions, the US goes for pre-emptive
war and, "the right to protect" being an excuse for over-throwing
regimes based on cooked up evidence and propaganda.
The people pay for the US government and they have a right to know
what is being done in their name. The problem is that secrecy, where
whistleblowers become criminals and the death penalty is called for,
is a sign of deep corruption, where absolute power corrupts
absolutely. US exceptionalism is not a valid reason for the US to
disregard the rights of other countries.
Carole is an idiot.
Bob Officer
2016-12-06 20:19:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:12:06 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
For one to understand the Cuban issues, one needs to go back to at least
pre-prohibition era. Cubas two major cash crops were rum and tobacco. They
were controlled by American companies, and the workers were paid pittance.
The official government of Cuba was an American back set of people taking
bribes from the criminal cartel. Gambling and prostitution were the two
different major games in Cuba.
Not really bob.
Yes, Carole, really.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Anon
2016-12-06 22:33:24 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 20:19:26 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Anon
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:12:06 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
For one to understand the Cuban issues, one needs to go back to at least
pre-prohibition era. Cubas two major cash crops were rum and tobacco. They
were controlled by American companies, and the workers were paid pittance.
The official government of Cuba was an American back set of people taking
bribes from the criminal cartel. Gambling and prostitution were the two
different major games in Cuba.
Not really bob.
Yes, Carole, really.
I see you think nuclear war is a topic that isn't important by
deleting the Castro reference.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-ruz-his-legacy-will-live-forever/5559030
Fidel Castro’s October 15, 2010 Message on the Dangers of Nuclear War

"The use of nuclear weapons in a new war would mean the end of
humanity. This was candidly foreseen by scientist Albert Einstein who
was able to measure their destructive capability to generate millions
of degrees of heat, which would vaporize everything within a wide
radius of action. This brilliant researcher had promoted the
development of this weapon so that it would not become available to
the genocidal Nazi regime."

but yet the US is prepared to use nuclear weapons and kill civilians
(a war crime). So instead of setting an example to the rest of the
world and fostering diplomatic solutions, the US goes for pre-emptive
war and, "the right to protect" being an excuse for over-throwing
regimes based on cooked up evidence and propaganda."



It is the US that uses nuclear war and threats of nuclear war.
There are enough nuclear weapons in the world to blow it up several
times and kill all life on the planet.

The US should be looking at diplomatic solutions instead of
pre-emptive wars and overthrowing of regimes that don't fit in with
its government-by-corporation mentality.

The bombs that were dropped on Japan were war crimes since they
weren't strategic war targets such as arms, armies, weapons of war,
but targed civilians. The US is guilty of war crimes all around the
world by stirring up troubles in countries they shouldn't be in.
You have a pack of nut-job psychopaths at the top of the
infrastructure, who would blow the planet up rather than back down.


--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."

Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55


"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/29/feel-good-hoax-how-us-propaganda-works-in-the-syrian-war/
"‘Feel Good Hoax’: How US Propaganda Works in the Syrian War
September 29, 2016 By 21wire 1 Comment

21st Century Wire says…

One thing is certain about the War on Syria: the propaganda war being
waged by the west and all of its agencies, from government to
corporate media, to charities and third sector NGOs – is much larger
and more pernicious than anything seen in modern history."
Stick
2016-12-06 23:56:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
The bombs that were dropped on Japan were war crimes since they
weren't strategic war targets such as arms, armies, weapons of war,
but targed civilians.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki each had military significance — munitions
factories, troop concentrations.

Bombing them saved lives by shortening the war.

Carole is an idiot.
Lu
2016-12-07 18:52:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
The bombs that were dropped on Japan were war crimes since they
weren't strategic war targets such as arms, armies, weapons of war,
but targed civilians.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki each had military significance — munitions
factories, troop concentrations.
Bombing them saved lives by shortening the war.
If I recall, there was a race between the Germans and America to see who
built that bomb first. I doubt very much if Germany would have hesitated on
dropping that bomb on NYC. I also doubt that the war would have ended, at
least not until Hitler had conquered the whole world.
Carole is an idiot.
--
Lu
Bob Officer
2016-12-07 02:54:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 20:19:26 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Anon
On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:12:06 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Clay
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:47:29 +1100, Dodgy is as dodgy does aka Carole
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Castro was fighting to stop Cuba being taken over by the globalists.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/27/inside-fidel-castros-life-of-luxury-and-ladies-while-country-starved/
For one to understand the Cuban issues, one needs to go back to at least
pre-prohibition era. Cubas two major cash crops were rum and tobacco. They
were controlled by American companies, and the workers were paid pittance.
The official government of Cuba was an American back set of people taking
bribes from the criminal cartel. Gambling and prostitution were the two
different major games in Cuba.
Not really bob.
Yes, Carole, really.
I see you think nuclear war is a topic that isn't important by
deleting the Castro reference.
Castro was willing to allow Russian ICMB missiles to be deployed in Cuba.
Post by Anon
The bombs that were dropped on Japan were war crimes since they
weren't strategic war targets such as arms, armies, weapons of war,
but targed civilians. The US is guilty of war crimes all around the
world by stirring up troubles in countries they shouldn't be in.
You have a pack of nut-job psychopaths at the top of the
infrastructure, who would blow the planet up rather than back down.
Sad you fail to understand both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military bases
and ammunition depots and factories.

The Japanese launched balloon carried bombs which hit non-military targets.
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http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Duncan
2016-11-28 19:35:59 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
You have to excuse Bob, he's spent so much time relying on his
toadying to the establishment, that he is incapable of thinking for
himself.


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Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?
[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did
Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer
DK: Bob Officer is a member of the group I
DK; accurately describe as...
PSEUDO-SKEPTIC-FANATICS (PSF)
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
Howard
2016-11-28 23:16:40 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:44:54 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Howard
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
Off topic for this ng?
/quote
the zero hedge manifesto ...
- to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information
available to the professional investing public.
- to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid
institution that financial journalism has become.
- to liberate oppressed knowledge.
- to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
- to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.
http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-manifesto
Using facts and evidence?
Carole has a personal ax to grind?
I have read many of the Z-H web site and after careful analysis and fact
checking found it to be more of a false news and information web site,
which often has reported rumors as being true, or even repeating other
false news sites as if they were true. There seems to be a large number of
these false news sites which have sprung up over the last ten years.
I seen many of them refer to the onion as if it were a real news site.
Sad isn't it.
You have to excuse Bob, he's spent so much time relying on his
toadying to the establishment,
Bob doesn't toady.
He uses facts, evidence, and logic.
The accusation of "toadying" is another form of your sour grapes, Carole.
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
that he is incapable of thinking for himself.
Bob thinks correctly all the time.
You're too ignorant to be capable of any correct thinking.
All you do is whine with sour grapes.
Face it, Carole: you are stupid.
Go sit down and shut the fuck up.
Jim Nemmah
2016-11-27 15:02:01 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
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Lu
2016-11-27 15:19:57 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-
cre
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
ated-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/
Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
--
Dodgy Dealings
--
Lu
Mr. Man-wai Chang
2016-11-27 15:49:16 UTC
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Post by Dodgy is as dodgy does
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To
Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
If it's a secret, then how could it be found and exposed by anyone?

What is a secret? :)
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