The secret history of western education

[Enquiring minds want to know]

http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013

"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they’re told.

Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

This is a must see for anyone who wants to truly know why the
education system is deliberately crafted to produce human drones with
no critical thinking whose only skills are to be subservient, trust
authority and follow orders."

Her book,’The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America’ is free at
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com



--
Enquiring minds want to know

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes

Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/

33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

[Bob Officer]

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they’re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material


Ad hoc fallacy Carole. It isn't true just because someone says to. It
requires some sort of supporting evidence.

You keep,falling for the same bait time and time again. The burden of proof
is your. Please,one supporting memo or document to support the claim you
are presenting.

[Fran Snortilus]

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

[Anon]

Post by Fran Snortilus

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Nobody would have any interest in anything you have to say anyway.

--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."

[Ned Latham]

The ugky sow, posting as Fran Snortilus. wrote:

----snip----

Post by Fran Snortilus
And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! The ugly sow thinks that Australia's education systems
aren't establishment-subverted indoctrination systems!

That'd be funny if it wasn't so laughable.

Ned

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll, crossing her tripe in lots of
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll,

Is she? I've never heard of her before or ever seen anything she's
posted.

Fuck off Carole! Don't post yankee shit to aus.politics unless you are
going to put it into and Austrlaian context.

crossing her tripe in lots of

Post by Bob Officer
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

You do have an inflated sense of my abilities. But I have tried in the
usual usent way to get rid of her. I hope yuo noticed.

Post by Bob Officer
Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

No, you don't. At least the decent and sane Americans don't. Your
rightard wing nuts won't even notice since they are riding high on the
whiff of pure testosterone. I send empathetic waves your way and hope
that he's not destroyed your country before you all get a chance to get
out to the polls again in 2 years time.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll,

Is she? I've never heard of her before or ever seen anything she's
posted.
Fuck off Carole! Don't post yankee shit to aus.politics unless you are
going to put it into and Austrlaian context.
crossing her tripe in lots of

Post by Bob Officer
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

You do have an inflated sense of my abilities. But I have tried in the
usual usent way to get rid of her. I hope yuo noticed.

I see that. You make everyone down under proud. I salute you with a glass
of one of fine lagers.

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer
Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

No, you don't. At least the decent and sane Americans don't. Your
rightard wing nuts won't even notice since they are riding high on the
whiff of pure testosterone. I send empathetic waves your way and hope
that he's not destroyed your country before you all get a chance to get
out to the polls again in 2 years time.

Thanks Fran, nice seeing you again.

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll,

Is she? I've never heard of her before or ever seen anything she's
posted.
Fuck off Carole! Don't post yankee shit to aus.politics unless you are
going to put it into and Austrlaian context.
crossing her tripe in lots of

Post by Bob Officer
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

You do have an inflated sense of my abilities. But I have tried in the
usual usent way to get rid of her. I hope yuo noticed.

I see that. You make everyone down under proud. I salute you with a glass
of one of fine lagers.

Snort! My mother would be rolling in her grave!

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer
Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

No, you don't. At least the decent and sane Americans don't. Your
rightard wing nuts won't even notice since they are riding high on the
whiff of pure testosterone. I send empathetic waves your way and hope
that he's not destroyed your country before you all get a chance to get
out to the polls again in 2 years time.

Thanks Fran, nice seeing you again.

Thank you for your kind words.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll,

Is she? I've never heard of her before or ever seen anything she's
posted.
Fuck off Carole! Don't post yankee shit to aus.politics unless you are
going to put it into and Austrlaian context.
crossing her tripe in lots of

Post by Bob Officer
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

You do have an inflated sense of my abilities. But I have tried in the
usual usent way to get rid of her. I hope yuo noticed.

I see that. You make everyone down under proud. I salute you with a glass
of one of fine lagers.

Snort! My mother would be rolling in her grave!

Your poor mother, would you rather have a Doppler Bock, or maybe a a
whiskey drink?

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer
Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

No, you don't. At least the decent and sane Americans don't. Your
rightard wing nuts won't even notice since they are riding high on the
whiff of pure testosterone. I send empathetic waves your way and hope
that he's not destroyed your country before you all get a chance to get
out to the polls again in 2 years time.

Thanks Fran, nice seeing you again.

Thank you for your kind words.

It has been a while.

[Duncan]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan.

Ad hoc fallacy Carole.

And I doubt that anyone in aus.politics is the slightest bit interested
in "Enquirings" post anyway as it has no content that is in any way
related to Australian politics or our education systems.

Well Carole Hubbard is your resident troll, crossing her tripe in lots of
groups. She is maybe one of Australia's greatest educational failure's.

That should be "failures" without the apostrophe bob. The apostrophe
is when somebody owns something or there is a shortening such as
"isn't" (is not).

Post by Bob Officer
Please stop inflicting her on the rest of the world.

Shut up bob.
Your country inflicts itself on the world with 180 bases everywhere,
spending trillions dominating the world and your roads and bridges
need repair.

Post by Bob Officer
Things are going down the crapper here, as the US races down the to the
bottom of the swamp. We do not need her as the swamp monster's cheering
squad.

Trump will drain the swamp except for all Soros' paid-for shills
causing havoc everywhere.



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Enquiring minds want to know]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

Post by Bob Officer
Ad hoc fallacy Carole. It isn't true just because someone says to. It
requires some sort of supporting evidence.
You keep,falling for the same bait time and time again. The burden of proof
is your. Please,one supporting memo or document to support the claim you
are presenting.

Charlotte Iserbyt sounds like a very enlightened person, explaining
how the globalists have taken over education to control and dumb down,
rather than create persons of learning.
http://i-uv.com/nazis-alike-did-not-lose-ww2-according-to-charlotte-iserbyt-skull-bonesy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29

"Part one of our exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how
conditioning/training under a corporate agenda has replaced
traditional education, leading to a deliberate dumbing down of
Americans. Iserbyt further explains how Reagan signed agreements
merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under the United Nations banner,
turning over education and many other areas of public policy to global
control.
This 74 minute exposé is a must see for anyone who wants to truly know
why the education system is deliberately crafted to produce human
drones with no critical thinking whose only skills are to be
subservient, trust authority and follow orders.
Visit Iserbyt’s website at http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com"




--
Enquiring minds want to know

'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes


Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/

33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in
every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General

[Bob Officer]

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

It is a pity you just do t know what the hell you are talking about.

Australia, please control your own idiots. Carole Hubbard is yours, please
keep her to yourself.

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

I seen her post a few times on the conversation, and get ripped to shreds.
She usually has her ass handed to here after it is kicked back and forth a
few times here on misc.health.alternative.

I always ask her is the a common fallacy she hasn't fallen for lately?

One of more famous comments from Carole Hubbard was that "adding 2+2 and
not getting 3 or 5 for an answer meant a person could not think out of
box". Who would know she invented so-called "alternate facts" before Kelly
Ann Conway used the idea.

[Duncan]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

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On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
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Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

I seen her post a few times on the conversation, and get ripped to shreds.
She usually has her ass handed to here after it is kicked back and forth a
few times here on misc.health.alternative.

Now why would bob officer be searching the internet for posts by
Carole Hubbard? Maybe he just can't stand that somebody has logic to
their views, rather than just what they learn parrot fashion from
their schooling indoctrination.

Post by Bob Officer
I always ask her is the a common fallacy she hasn't fallen for lately?
One of more famous comments from Carole Hubbard was that "adding 2+2 and
not getting 3 or 5 for an answer meant a person could not think out of
box". Who would know she invented so-called "alternate facts" before Kelly
Ann Conway used the idea.

Bob needs to STFU because as you can see he doesn't even understand
that an "opinion" is no different than a "belief". Poor sod thinks
they're entirely different. What a sucker!!



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Bob Officer]

Post by Duncan
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

I seen her post a few times on the conversation, and get ripped to shreds.
She usually has her ass handed to here after it is kicked back and forth a
few times here on misc.health.alternative.

Now why would bob officer be searching the internet for posts by
Carole Hubbard? Maybe he just can't stand that somebody has logic to
their views, rather than just what they learn parrot fashion from
their schooling indoctrination.

I ran across your post, Carole, while researching vaccines and the
anti-vaccine movement. This was about the time when one of one nit aces
suggested to One of your own anti-vaccines idiots that they lure
provaccine people into alleys and assault them with baseball bats.

Post by Duncan

Post by Bob Officer
I always ask her is the a common fallacy she hasn't fallen for lately?
One of more famous comments from Carole Hubbard was that "adding 2+2 and
not getting 3 or 5 for an answer meant a person could not think out of
box". Who would know she invented so-called "alternate facts" before Kelly
Ann Conway used the idea.

Bob needs to STFU because as you can see he doesn't even understand
that an "opinion" is no different than a "belief". Poor sod thinks
they're entirely different. What a sucker!!

They do not mean the same things, Carole.

You abuse so many words which really don't mean the same things.

[Enquiring minds want to know]

On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Duncan
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

I seen her post a few times on the conversation, and get ripped to shreds.
She usually has her ass handed to here after it is kicked back and forth a
few times here on misc.health.alternative.

Now why would bob officer be searching the internet for posts by
Carole Hubbard? Maybe he just can't stand that somebody has logic to
their views, rather than just what they learn parrot fashion from
their schooling indoctrination.

I ran across your post, Carole, while researching vaccines and the
anti-vaccine movement. This was about the time when one of one nit aces
suggested to One of your own anti-vaccines idiots that they lure
provaccine people into alleys and assault them with baseball bats.

You must be lying bob -- that sentence made absolutely no sense and
you always make errors when you're lying.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Duncan

Post by Bob Officer
I always ask her is the a common fallacy she hasn't fallen for lately?
One of more famous comments from Carole Hubbard was that "adding 2+2 and
not getting 3 or 5 for an answer meant a person could not think out of
box". Who would know she invented so-called "alternate facts" before Kelly
Ann Conway used the idea.

Bob needs to STFU because as you can see he doesn't even understand
that an "opinion" is no different than a "belief". Poor sod thinks
they're entirely different. What a sucker!!

They do not mean the same things, Carole.

In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

It is both a matter of a person's own viewpoint - not necessarily
fact.

Post by Bob Officer
You abuse so many words which really don't mean the same things.

You don't know the meaning of logic bob.
You don't understand cause and effect. This is where people like you
come unstuck. You just go along with msm and mainstream science which
has been doctored, and think regurgitating their information is all it
takes.

When somebody comes along who follows logic, you can't cope because
you basically have no logic.


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33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
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MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm

Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."


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limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
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never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
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every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General

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[Ned Latham]

Enquiring minds want to know wrote:

----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.

----snip----

[Bob Officer]

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.
----snip----

Ned remember you are correcting a person, Carole Hubbard of Australia, who
is proud of barely passing their adult education English Exit exam.

Carole incorrect makes some words equal to others in her attempt at over
simplification.

[Ned Latham]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.

Ned remember you are correcting a person, Carole Hubbard of Australia,
who is proud of barely passing their adult education English Exit exam.

Well, give her some credit, Bob. It's npt her fault if the course is
defective.

Post by Bob Officer
Carole incorrect makes some words equal to others in her attempt at
over simplification.

Well, we all do that sort of thing. How many people do you know who
understand the difference between "expect" and anticipate"?

And don't get me started on those semiliterate talking heads on the
idiot box.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.

Ned remember you are correcting a person, Carole Hubbard of Australia,
who is proud of barely passing their adult education English Exit exam.

Well, give her some credit, Bob. It's npt her fault if the course is
defective.

I gave some thought and considered her passing mark like a trophy in a
special olympics event. Everyone gets an award, you know.

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
Carole incorrect makes some words equal to others in her attempt at
over simplification.

Well, we all do that sort of thing. How many people do you know who
understand the difference between "expect" and anticipate"?

I do.

Post by Ned Latham
And don't get me started on those semiliterate talking heads on the
idiot box.

It is why I do not watch TV...

I have enough problems with fellow amateur radio operators and their very
commonly and all too often repeated misconceptions.

I had a fellow ham, which was totally dismayed. They bought one of the new
sets and greatest screwdriver antennas. The antenna automatically found the
lowest SWR point. Heat with 100 watts, nearly no one could hear him on the
40 or 80 meter band. I dug a piece of solid #12 copper wire out of my junk
box, and wound it into a four inch 8 turn coil and installed it in a shunt
configuration. Instantly his antenna returned itself and had a 1.1:1 SWR
and he made a contact of over 800 miles with a nice and clearly readable
signal of 59, with. 10 dB over 9 on the peaks. That next morning he made a
contact with your own countryman on 40 meters as the sun rose over Arizona.
grey zone sunset over eastern Oz and his signal went over the South Pole.

I spent years as an engineer using math and science one a daily basis.
Carole believes herself to be an alternative medicine expert, but yet can
not cure her own foot fungus.

[Ned Latham]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.

Ned remember you are correcting a person, Carole Hubbard of Australia,
who is proud of barely passing their adult education English Exit exam.

Well, give her some credit, Bob. It's npt her fault if the course is
defective.

I gave some thought and considered her passing mark like a trophy in a
special olympics event. Everyone gets an award, you know.

As an adult, I went to a school that did that sort of thing. I can see
the value of it in a "special" school, but a mainstream school? I just
don't get the mentality of the teachers (administrators, whomever),
don't they understand that school has to prepare the kids for the real
world?

Who am I kidding? Of course they don't.

The *really* disturbing question is "why not?".

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
Carole incorrect makes some words equal to others in her attempt at
over simplification.

Well, we all do that sort of thing. How many people do you know who
understand the difference between "expect" and anticipate"?

I do.

So just the one? Fuck. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
And don't get me started on those semiliterate talking heads on the
idiot box.

It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

Post by Bob Officer
I have enough problems with fellow amateur radio operators and their very
commonly and all too often repeated misconceptions.

I have the same problem in person. Never got into ham radio: wanted to,
but there was always something in the way.

Not motivated strongly enough, I suppoe.

Post by Bob Officer
I had a fellow ham, which was totally dismayed. They bought one of the new
sets and greatest screwdriver antennas. The antenna automatically found the
lowest SWR point. Heat with 100 watts, nearly no one could hear him on the
40 or 80 meter band. I dug a piece of solid #12 copper wire out of my junk
box, and wound it into a four inch 8 turn coil and installed it in a shunt
configuration.

I couldn't work that out until the penny dropped. You're neighbours.

Post by Bob Officer
Instantly his antenna returned itself and had a 1.1:1 SWR

1.1:1. Pretty good match. How did you know to use the coil?

Post by Bob Officer
and he made a contact of over 800 miles with a nice and clearly readable
signal of 59, with. 10 dB over 9 on the peaks. That next morning he made a
contact with your own countryman on 40 meters as the sun rose over Arizona.
grey zone sunset over eastern Oz and his signal went over the South Pole.
I spent years as an engineer using math and science on a daily basis.

I was a software engineer (retired now). But not overly popular with
bosses because I insist on doing good quality work whereas they want
only to get shit out the door.

I'm sure you've encountered the mentality.

Post by Bob Officer
Carole believes herself to be an alternative medicine expert, but yet can
not cure her own foot fungus.

LOL.

My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.

Go figure.

Ned

[Petra Strorm]

....

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

You know better than Mr Fry and his team of researchers, do you?

....

Post by Ned Latham
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.

And with that, you give us evidence that insanity is _not_ contagious.
Reconciliation, please.

Petra

[Ned Latham]

Post by Petra Strorm
....

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

You know better than Mr Fry and his team of researchers, do you?

In one program he asked a spelling qyestion that brought out the
rule "eye before ee, except after see", which he then pounced on
as ninsense. He told us that the British Education Service had
determined that it must not be taught, because there are "in fact"
more exceptions to the rule than adherences. The backboard screens
illistrated the point with what he said were 129 exceptions to
the ruke.

Just ONE of those exceptions was correct: the name Keith. The
fact is (and this time the "fact" is a fact), the rule applies
to the pure vowel "ee" in English words: it does noy apply to
multisyllable sounds as in "weird"; it does not apply to
diphthongs as in "weight" and it does not apply to foreign
words such as "hacienda".

Mr Fry's "fact" is no fact: he and the BES are wrong.

Post by Petra Strorm

Post by Ned Latham
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.

And with that, you give us evidence that insanity is _not_ contagious.
Reconciliation, please.

I'd have thought you'd get that one instinctively.

Contagion is most effective when resistance is low. Religious contagion
works because the parent infects the child, or in the case of Christian
and Islamic forced conversions, because the convert prefers to stay
alive.

Rationality provides those who have it with a high level of immunity
to the contagion. I am rational, therefore my brother's insanity
hasn't rubbed off on me.

Simple, really.

Ned

[Petra Strorm]

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Petra Strorm
....

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

You know better than Mr Fry and his team of researchers, do you?

In one program he asked a spelling qyestion that brought out the
rule "eye before ee, except after see", which he then pounced on
as nonsense. He told us that the British Education Service had
determined that it must not be taught, because there are "in fact"
more exceptions to the rule than adherences. The backboard screens
illustrated the point with what he said were 129 exceptions to
the ruke.
Just ONE of those exceptions was correct: the name Keith. The
fact is (and this time the "fact" is a fact), the rule applies
to the pure vowel "ee" in English words: it does noy apply to
multisyllable sounds as in "weird"; it does not apply to
diphthongs as in "weight" and it does not apply to foreign
words such as "hacienda".
Mr Fry's "fact" is no fact: he and the BES are wrong.

I'd forgotten: I saw that episode. I remember wondering why the BES
would make such a basic error. But much more, why Stephen Fry would.
I'd have thought him much too well educated to understand English
so poorly.

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Petra Strorm

Post by Ned Latham
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.

And with that, you give us evidence that insanity is _not_ contagious.
Reconciliation, please.

I'd have thought you'd get that one instinctively.
Contagion is most effective when resistance is low. Religious contagion
works because the parent infects the child, or in the case of Christian
and Islamic forced conversions, because the convert prefers to stay
alive.
Rationality provides those who have it with a high level of immunity
to the contagion. I am rational, therefore my brother's insanity
hasn't rubbed off on me.
Simple, really.

Hmm. Are you _never_ wrong?

Petra

[Ned Latham]

Post by Petra Strorm

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Petra Strorm
....

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

You know better than Mr Fry and his team of researchers, do you?

In one program he asked a spelling qyestion that brought out the
rule "eye before ee, except after see", which he then pounced on
as nonsense. He told us that the British Education Service had
determined that it must not be taught, because there are "in fact"
more exceptions to the rule than adherences. The backboard screens
illustrated the point with what he said were 129 exceptions to
the ruke.
Just ONE of those exceptions was correct: the name Keith. The
fact is (and this time the "fact" is a fact), the rule applies
to the pure vowel "ee" in English words: it does noy apply to
multisyllable sounds as in "weird"; it does not apply to
diphthongs as in "weight" and it does not apply to foreign
words such as "hacienda".
Mr Fry's "fact" is no fact: he and the BES are wrong.

I'd forgotten: I saw that episode. I remember wondering why the BES
would make such a basic error. But much more, why Stephen Fry would.
I'd have thought him much too well educated to understand English
so poorly.

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Petra Strorm

Post by Ned Latham
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.

And with that, you give us evidence that insanity is _not_ contagious.
Reconciliation, please.

I'd have thought you'd get that one instinctively.
Contagion is most effective when resistance is low. Religious contagion
works because the parent infects the child, or in the case of Christian
and Islamic forced conversions, because the convert prefers to stay
alive.
Rationality provides those who have it with a high level of immunity
to the contagion. I am rational, therefore my brother's insanity
hasn't rubbed off on me.
Simple, really.

Hmm. Are you _never_ wrong?

Nope. :-)

Ned

[Bob Officer]

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
----snip----

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.

Nope. Belief is about (non)fact; opinion is about perception.

Ned remember you are correcting a person, Carole Hubbard of Australia,
who is proud of barely passing their adult education English Exit exam.

Well, give her some credit, Bob. It's npt her fault if the course is
defective.

I gave some thought and considered her passing mark like a trophy in a
special olympics event. Everyone gets an award, you know.

As an adult, I went to a school that did that sort of thing. I can see
the value of it in a "special" school, but a mainstream school? I just
don't get the mentality of the teachers (administrators, whomever),
don't they understand that school has to prepare the kids for the real
world?
Who am I kidding? Of course they don't.
The *really* disturbing question is "why not?".

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
Carole incorrect makes some words equal to others in her attempt at
over simplification.

Well, we all do that sort of thing. How many people do you know who
understand the difference between "expect" and anticipate"?

I do.

So just the one? Fuck. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham
And don't get me started on those semiliterate talking heads on the
idiot box.

It is why I do not watch TV...

I do, some. I like QI, for exaqmple (though the "facts" aren't always
facts).

Post by Bob Officer
I have enough problems with fellow amateur radio operators and their very
commonly and all too often repeated misconceptions.

I have the same problem in person. Never got into ham radio: wanted to,
but there was always something in the way.
Not motivated strongly enough, I suppoe.

Post by Bob Officer
I had a fellow ham, which was totally dismayed. They bought one of the new
sets and greatest screwdriver antennas. The antenna automatically found the
lowest SWR point. Heat with 100 watts, nearly no one could hear him on the
40 or 80 meter band. I dug a piece of solid #12 copper wire out of my junk
box, and wound it into a four inch 8 turn coil and installed it in a shunt
configuration.

I couldn't work that out until the penny dropped. You're neighbours.

Post by Bob Officer
Instantly his antenna retuned itself and had a 1.1:1 SWR

1.1:1. Pretty good match. How did you know to use the coil?

Two things experience and knowledge. The resistance of the mobile antenna
mounted on a too small of a ground plane is lower than 50 ohms. To raise
the resistance back to 50 ohms requires a shunt coil parallel to the feed
point. Now his antenna was tuning for both lowest return and 50 ohms
resistance.

I teach this stuff, to willing students. He wasn't one of my students.

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
and he made a contact of over 800 miles with a nice and clearly readable
signal of 59, with. 10 dB over 9 on the peaks. That next morning he made a
contact with your own countryman on 40 meters as the sun rose over Arizona.
grey zone sunset over eastern Oz and his signal went over the South Pole.
I spent years as an engineer using math and science on a daily basis.

I was a software engineer (retired now). But not overly popular with
bosses because I insist on doing good quality work whereas they want
only to get shit out the door.

The missing factor of professionalism. I finally retired after staying
around strictly as an instructor doing OJT training and quality control.

Post by Ned Latham
I'm sure you've encountered the mentality.

Sadly I have.

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
Carole believes herself to be an alternative medicine expert, but yet can
not cure her own foot fungus.

LOL.
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.
Go figure.

Amazing.

Did you know Carole supports the completely debunked and unsupported soil
theory. Called Pasteur a scammer and much more.

[Ned Latham]

----snip----

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
I had a fellow ham, which was totally dismayed. They bought one
of the new sets and greatest screwdriver antennas. The antenna
automatically found the lowest SWR point. Heat with 100 watts,
nearly no one could hear him on the 40 or 80 meter band. I dug
a piece of solid #12 copper wire out of my junk box, and wound
it into a four inch 8 turn coil and installed it in a shunt
configuration.

I couldn't work that out until the penny dropped. You're neighbours.

Post by Bob Officer
Instantly his antenna retuned itself and had a 1.1:1 SWR

1.1:1. Pretty good match. How did you know to use the coil?

Two things experience and knowledge. The resistance of the mobile antenna
mounted on a too small of a ground plane is lower than 50 ohms. To raise
the resistance back to 50 ohms requires a shunt coil parallel to the feed
point. Now his antenna was tuning for both lowest return and 50 ohms
resistance.
I teach this stuff, to willing students. He wasn't one of my students.

I'm almost afraid of the answer to this: did he *become* a studebt?

----snip----

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Ned Latham

Post by Bob Officer
Carole believes herself to be an alternative medicine expert, but yet can
not cure her own foot fungus.

LOL.
My brother has a somewhat similar belief, but more radical. Our diseases
settle on our bones and the lifetime buildup of gunk eventually makes us
old and kills us, which the aliens like because they feed off our life
force. The gunk collects especially around the joints, which is why
they're knobbly, and here's the thing: you can massage the gunk away.
As you do, you experience your diseases all over again, but in reverse,
and if you massage all of it away, you'll be immortal. The aliens
don't like that, so of course we'll never get off the planet.
Go figure.

Amazing.

He got quite offended when I told him that he could prove it by
joining a football team (we were both football players in our
younger days).

Post by Bob Officer
Did you know Carole supports the completely debunked and unsupported soil
theory.

I've never even heard of it. Generally speaking, I don't pay much
attention to loonies. Of course there are those who get in people's
faces...

Post by Bob Officer
Called Pasteur a scammer and much more.

Larf. Did he rise from the dead and cry out in shame?

Ned

[kaye]

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Duncan
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 23:41:57 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

And if she knew anything about Australian politics then she wouldn't
make such a stupid statement. That is probably why she's never been
seen on aus.politics - we'd rip her stupid statements to shreds.

I seen her post a few times on the conversation, and get ripped to shreds.
She usually has her ass handed to here after it is kicked back and forth a
few times here on misc.health.alternative.

Now why would bob officer be searching the internet for posts by
Carole Hubbard? Maybe he just can't stand that somebody has logic to
their views, rather than just what they learn parrot fashion from
their schooling indoctrination.

I ran across your post, Carole, while researching vaccines and the
anti-vaccine movement. This was about the time when one of one nit aces
suggested to One of your own anti-vaccines idiots that they lure
provaccine people into alleys and assault them with baseball bats.

You must be lying bob -- that sentence made absolutely no sense and
you always make errors when you're lying.

He's not lying Carole. Bolen said it, right here in this newsgroup.

Post by Enquiring minds want to know

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Duncan

Post by Bob Officer
I always ask her is the a common fallacy she hasn't fallen for lately?
One of more famous comments from Carole Hubbard was that "adding 2+2 and
not getting 3 or 5 for an answer meant a person could not think out of
box". Who would know she invented so-called "alternate facts" before Kelly
Ann Conway used the idea.

Bob needs to STFU because as you can see he doesn't even understand
that an "opinion" is no different than a "belief". Poor sod thinks
they're entirely different. What a sucker!!

They do not mean the same things, Carole.

In effect, "belief" and "opinion" are the same.
It is both a matter of a person's own viewpoint - not necessarily
fact.

Post by Bob Officer
You abuse so many words which really don't mean the same things.

You don't know the meaning of logic bob.
You don't understand cause and effect. This is where people like you
come unstuck. You just go along with msm and mainstream science which
has been doctored, and think regurgitating their information is all it
takes.
When somebody comes along who follows logic, you can't cope because
you basically have no logic.
--
Enquiring minds want to know
http://www.thebigcancerlie.com/
""As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a
serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to
avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and
other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to
have a naturopathic physician available." Dr Allan Greenberg
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/autismenvironmental/
"When Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute
Collins stated:- "Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes,
childhood asthma,
obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool
as those changes take much more time to occur."
'The corporation' (2003) quotes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/quotes
Do conspiracies exist?
http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/1/
33 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True, What Every Person
Should Know ...
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/
MEDIA MIND CONTROL , DISINFORMATION AND ATTACKS
http://www.arkenterprises.com/disinfo.html
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
http://www.pnl-nlp.org/download/propaganda/page4.htm
Plausible deniability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
"The term most often refers to the capacity of senior officials in a
formal or informal chain of command to deny knowledge of and/or
responsibility for any damnable actions ..."
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly
limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate
within that spectrum." -- Noam Chomsky
“Conspiracy” = An agreement between two or more persons to commit a
crime. An illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
“Know thy enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles, you will
never be defeated. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know
yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant
both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in
every battle.” ~ Sun Tzu, Chinese General
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet
it was planned that way." ---Franklin D. Roosevelt

[Duncan]

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

Bullshit bob.
There are lots of treaties that are signed that the public doesn't
know anything about, due to the fact the lying media only pushes
topics approved by the globalist agenda. Anything that removes the
public's freedoms is kept pretty quiet.

Maybe it does pass the senate but language and purpose disguise the
intent of the treaties.

Post by Bob Officer
It is a pity you just do t know what the hell you are talking about.

There are all sorts of international treaties that the public don't
know about, don't get taught about in school and remain ignorant.

Post by Bob Officer
Australia, please control your own idiots. Carole Hubbard is yours, please
keep her to yourself.

STFU bob.


--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Bob Officer]

Post by Duncan
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 19:43:46 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
http://i-uv.com/charlotte-iserbyt-the-secret-history-of-western-education-full-documentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IUv+%28I+UV%29
Published on Dec 4, 2013
"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the
Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald
Reagan. While working there she discovered a long term strategic plan
by the tax exempt foundations to transform America from a nation of
rugged individualists and problem solvers to a country of servile,
brainwashed minions who simply regurgitate whatever they?re told.
Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training
under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading
to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains
how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under
the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas
of public policy to global control. [note: Russia took over from
Soviet Union in 1991]

Notice no evidence,of any agreements signed. No other refer need?
Nonsense without one iota of supporting material

We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind

No we don't. In fact treaties must be approved by our Senate. No signing of
treaties are possible.

Bullshit bob.

Not at all. The president can not sign treaties, unless they are passed by
the US Senate. Even so called executive orders can be challenged in court
and subject to both judicial and congressional review. Several of the
recent executive orders have been set aside by the courts.

Post by Duncan
There are lots of treaties that are signed that the public doesn't
know anything about, due to the fact the lying media only pushes
topics approved by the globalist agenda. Anything that removes the
public's freedoms is kept pretty quiet.

How do you know about these so called secret treaties Carole? You have
access to those so called confidential documents?

Post by Duncan
Maybe it does pass the senate but language and purpose disguise the
intent of the treaties.

Really? And you are an expert on US law now? It is evident you know even
know what is and isn't the swamp.

Here is a big hint trump isn't a friend of any worker and represents white
bigots and the upper 1%.

For fuck's sake Carole. He is a person well know for cheating workers and
contractors out of their earnings.

Post by Duncan

Post by Bob Officer
It is a pity you just do t know what the hell you are talking about.

There are all sorts of international treaties that the public don't
know about, don't get taught about in school and remain ignorant.

Post by Bob Officer
Australia, please control your own idiots. Carole Hubbard is yours, please
keep her to yourself.

STFU bob.

Why did you start xposting to aus.politics, Carole.

Explain to them why you feel it is necessary to use over 15 different
identies to post to Usenet?

Post by Duncan
--
Duncan
"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Bob Officer
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.
While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

[Duncan]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?

The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation

agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.

Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.

It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

International treaties in the main are the handy work of the United
Nations and have been used by Australian Governments to undermine
Australian Sovereignty."



--
Duncan

"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Fran Snortilus
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.

An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.

While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.
International treaties in the main are the handy work of the United
Nations and have been used by Australian Governments to undermine
Australian Sovereignty."
--
Duncan
"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Fran Snortilus
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.
While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Duncan]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?

Do you snort alot?

Are you snorting now?

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Didn't real much did you?

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
International treaties in the main are the handy work of the United
Nations and have been used by Australian Governments to undermine
Australian Sovereignty."
--
Duncan
"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Fran Snortilus
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.
While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?

Real? I assume you meant 'read', and I did read it. It's ridiculous
from start to finish.

Post by Duncan
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

You are dumb! It does not say that at all as you would know if yu could
read for comprehension. It very specifically says that the Minister
signs on behalf of Australians. That is quite correct. That is the JOB
of Ministers and why they were elected. But then, this idiotic article
goes on to say in the next paragraph that "99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be instant
riot." Now that is total bullshit and a conspiracy theorist wank fest.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Snort!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.

'Huh?', indeed. You are stupidly questioning your own comments which
you posted just yesterday. I did not write the drivel under which you
put your 'Huh?'. But then you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ
your own cite or to even try to understand what it said.

Post by Duncan
Didn't real much did you?

I can certainly 'real' much better than you can. I can also remember
from one day to the next what I wrote. You can't. You even then accuse
me of failing to 'real much'. Even stupid you finds it impossible to
believe the idiot drivel which you posted just yesterday.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
International treaties in the main are the handy work of the United
Nations and have been used by Australian Governments to undermine
Australian Sovereignty."
--
Duncan
"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Fran Snortilus
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.
While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

[Anon]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?

Real? I assume you meant 'read', and I did read it. It's ridiculous
from start to finish.

Yes, I meant read.
You have a manufactured view of reality, taught to you by globalist
vested interests who want people to become factory fodder rather than
do any thinking of their own.

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

You are dumb! It does not say that at all as you would know if yu could
read for comprehension. It very specifically says that the Minister
signs on behalf of Australians. That is quite correct. That is the JOB
of Ministers and why they were elected. But then, this idiotic article
goes on to say in the next paragraph that "99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be instant
riot." Now that is total bullshit and a conspiracy theorist wank fest.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Snort!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
'Huh?', indeed. You are stupidly questioning your own comments which
you posted just yesterday. I did not write the drivel under which you
put your 'Huh?'. But then you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ
your own cite or to even try to understand what it said.

Post by Duncan
Didn't real much did you?

I can certainly 'real' much better than you can. I can also remember
from one day to the next what I wrote. You can't. You even then accuse
me of failing to 'real much'. Even stupid you finds it impossible to
believe the idiot drivel which you posted just yesterday.

It was a typo.
Is that the only comment you have, then you really are in a lot of
trouble, unable to give a coherent response.

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
International treaties in the main are the handy work of the United
Nations and have been used by Australian Governments to undermine
Australian Sovereignty."
--
Duncan
"Consensus is not a scientific term. It is a political term." (Ed. The
Climate Skeptics (TCS) Blog)
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There
are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we
don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we
don't know we don't know." -- Donald Rumsfeld
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to
worry about answers." - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow

Post by Fran Snortilus
[BOB] "Beliefs are not opinions."
I think you will find that "belief" is a synonym for "opinion".
So WTF are you trying to say idiot?

[BOB] "I stand by what I said in context. A belief is
something held true with or without supporting
evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
An opinion is based on what one thinks and not what
one believes. Ones religion is what one believes.
Religion requires no thinking and in many cases
Religion forbids thinking.
While you might believe their are interchangeable
synonyms, I think if you asked an expert in the
English Language they might agree with me. The
words have different meanings and uses."
--------

--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

[de chucka]

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

[Gumdrop]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the
time behind closed doors. They don't get a mention in
MSM (mainstream media) which is used for spreading lies
and disinformation only - nothing of any real meaning
to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying
and crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not
know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such
super secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more
credible conspiracy theory that the dim old "Lima convention"
wing nut conspiracy? That conspiracy is so old it's got a
grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments
are hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality. You should
stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical mind to
what is taught in mainstream education institutions. They're all
controlled by the globalists.

How?

Trump the Swamp-Drainer said so?

[Ned Latham]

----snip----

Post by Anon
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

Money.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

She get her news from the national enquirer, and other MERdoch rags...

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

She get her news from the national enquirer, and other MERdoch rags...

"She get her news"! Snort!

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

She get her news from the national enquirer, and other MERdoch rags...

"She get her news"! Snort!

Gets/gots...

I was laughing about the other suggestion from my spelling checker. MERde
Ich. Rather than merdoch.
The other error just wasn't as important.

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Bob Officer

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

How?

She get her news from the national enquirer, and other MERdoch rags...

"She get her news"! Snort!

Gets/gots...
I was laughing about the other suggestion from my spelling checker. MERde
Ich. Rather than merdoch.
The other error just wasn't as important.

Or presumably the 3rd error as well............

[Fran Snortilus]

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

LOL.

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?

Real? I assume you meant 'read', and I did read it. It's ridiculous
from start to finish.

Yes, I meant read.
You have a manufactured view of reality, taught to you by globalist
vested interests who want people to become factory fodder rather than
do any thinking of their own.

That idiotic comment demonstrates that your reality is deluding
yourself..

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

You are dumb! It does not say that at all as you would know if yu could
read for comprehension. It very specifically says that the Minister
signs on behalf of Australians. That is quite correct. That is the JOB
of Ministers and why they were elected. But then, this idiotic article
goes on to say in the next paragraph that "99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be instant
riot." Now that is total bullshit and a conspiracy theorist wank fest.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Snort!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
'Huh?', indeed. You are stupidly questioning your own comments which
you posted just yesterday. I did not write the drivel under which you
put your 'Huh?'. But then you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ
your own cite or to even try to understand what it said.

Post by Duncan
Didn't real much did you?

I can certainly 'real' much better than you can. I can also remember
from one day to the next what I wrote. You can't. You even then accuse
me of failing to 'real much'. Even stupid you finds it impossible to
believe the idiot drivel which you posted just yesterday.

It was a typo.
Is that the only comment you have, then you really are in a lot of
trouble, unable to give a coherent response.

That was obviously not the only comment I had as you would know if you
could read for comprehension. You selectively ignored the paragraph
where I stated that Duncan couldn't read for comprehension and that it
was the Ministers job was to sign things on behalf of the public.

[Bob Officer]

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

LOL.

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?

Real? I assume you meant 'read', and I did read it. It's ridiculous
from start to finish.

Yes, I meant read.
You have a manufactured view of reality, taught to you by globalist
vested interests who want people to become factory fodder rather than
do any thinking of their own.

That idiotic comment demonstrates that your reality is deluding
yourself..

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

You are dumb! It does not say that at all as you would know if yu could
read for comprehension. It very specifically says that the Minister
signs on behalf of Australians. That is quite correct. That is the JOB
of Ministers and why they were elected. But then, this idiotic article
goes on to say in the next paragraph that "99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be instant
riot." Now that is total bullshit and a conspiracy theorist wank fest.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Snort!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
'Huh?', indeed. You are stupidly questioning your own comments which
you posted just yesterday. I did not write the drivel under which you
put your 'Huh?'. But then you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ
your own cite or to even try to understand what it said.

Post by Duncan
Didn't real much did you?

I can certainly 'real' much better than you can. I can also remember
from one day to the next what I wrote. You can't. You even then accuse
me of failing to 'real much'. Even stupid you finds it impossible to
believe the idiot drivel which you posted just yesterday.

It was a typo.
Is that the only comment you have, then you really are in a lot of
trouble, unable to give a coherent response.

That was obviously not the only comment I had as you would know if you
could read for comprehension. You selectively ignored the paragraph
where I stated that Duncan couldn't read for comprehension and that it
was the Ministers job was to sign things on behalf of the public.

Anon and Duncan are the same person, named Carole Hubbard.
Carole has been abusing about 10 or 12 sock puppets since she got caught
recommending a dangerous product claimed to treat skin cancer in Australia.
Black salve ointment is basically battery acid, and has injured and
disfigured people around the world.

Carole has no real training in medicine, science of chemistry, yet feels
free to recommend various quack pseudo medical treatments for people.

[Gumdrop]

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Post by Duncan

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Post by Enquiring minds want to know
We all know that UN treaties are being signed all the time behind
closed doors. They don't get a mention in MSM (mainstream media) which
is used for spreading lies and disinformation only - nothing of any
real meaning to the people. Its like Trump says, the MSM is lying and
crooked.

"We" (or at least anyone who is not delusional) do not know any such thing!

That's because it is kept quiet dumb dumb.

So how would YOU or Carole (or is she your sock?) about such super
secret treaties? And can't you put forward a more credible conspiracy
theory that the dim old "Lima convention" wing nut conspiracy? That
conspiracy is so old it's got a grey beard.

Is Snortilus your real name, or do you use it as a pseudonym?
Do you snort alot?
Are you snorting now?

I snort a lot when I see laughable comments and your comments are
hilariously funny.

That's because you have a distorted view of reality.
You should stop reading mainstream newspapers and keep a skeptical
mind to what is taught in mainstream education institutions.
They're all controlled by the globalists.

LOL.

Post by Anon

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Post by Duncan
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/lima-declaration/
"THE LIMA DECLARATION AN OVERVIEW

So you give a cite to a treaty that is not the least bit secret, never
has been a secret and which was signed way back in the 1970s. You
conspiracy theorists do take a long time to swing into action and even
then the best you can come up with is rag in FNQ that is racist and
bogan in content.

Post by Duncan
How does it effect you and your family?
What is the Lima declaration?
The correct title is:- Lima Declaration and plan of Action on
Industrial Development and Co-operation
agenda21logoIt is an international trade agreement similar to G.A.T.T,
(General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs), Australia is a signatory to
The Lima Declaration as it is to many GATT agreements.
Australia signed The Lima Agreement with the total support of all
major political parties and no consultation with we the people.

Good grief. You are appallingly ignorant of the role of governmet and
why we have elections.

Why don't you real the whole article?

Real? I assume you meant 'read', and I did read it. It's ridiculous
from start to finish.

Yes, I meant read.
You have a manufactured view of reality, taught to you by globalist
vested interests who want people to become factory fodder rather than
do any thinking of their own.

That idiotic comment demonstrates that your reality is deluding
yourself..

Post by Anon

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It goes on about how Minister for Foreign Affairs signs documents
which the people never get to know about?

You are dumb! It does not say that at all as you would know if yu could
read for comprehension. It very specifically says that the Minister
signs on behalf of Australians. That is quite correct. That is the JOB
of Ministers and why they were elected. But then, this idiotic article
goes on to say in the next paragraph that "99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be instant
riot." Now that is total bullshit and a conspiracy theorist wank fest.

Post by Duncan

Post by Fran Snortilus

Post by Duncan
It should be clearly understood that the ‘Lima Declaration’ is one of
many hundreds of international agreements and treaties signed by
Australian Public Servants, usually by The Minister for Foreign
Affairs or nominee, who signs on behalf of all Australians.
It should also be clearly understood that 99,9.% of Australians do not
know what such agreements and treaties are about, nor how they effect
their lives, and they are not told, if they were, there would be
instant riot.

Huh? .....

Snort!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
'Huh?', indeed. You are stupidly questioning your own comments which
you posted just yesterday. I did not write the drivel under which you
put your 'Huh?'. But then you'd know that if you'd bothered to READ
your own cite or to even try to understand what it said.

Post by Duncan
Didn't real much did you?

I can certainly 'real' much better than you can. I can also remember
from one day to the next what I wrote. You can't. You even then accuse
me of failing to 'real much'. Even stupid you finds it impossible to
believe the idiot drivel which you posted just yesterday.

It was a typo.
Is that the only comment you have, then you really are in a lot of
trouble, unable to give a coherent response.

That was obviously not the only comment I had as you would know if you
could read for comprehension. You selectively ignored the paragraph
where I stated that Duncan couldn't read for comprehension and that it
was the Ministers job was to sign things on behalf of the public.

Anon and Duncan are the same person, named Carole Hubbard.
Carole has been abusing about 10 or 12 sock puppets since she got caught
recommending a dangerous product claimed to treat skin cancer in Australia.
Black salve ointment is basically battery acid, and has injured and
disfigured people around the world.
Carole has no real training in medicine, science of chemistry, yet feels
free to recommend various quack pseudo medical treatments for people.

Carole rarely recommends anything specific, other than calcium tablets
or a juice fast. Her stock in trade is bashing the pharmaceutical
industry but when pressed for non-pharmaceutical remedies, she never
posts any.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Post by Enquiring minds want to know
This is a must see for anyone who wants to truly know why the
education system is deliberately crafted to produce human drones with
no critical thinking whose only skills are to be subservient, trust
authority and follow orders."

To be fair, are you sure that students really wanna study about books?
Do they have faith in books, have trust in teachers and be
self-motivated to study?

Students in US just wanted sex, muscles and guns? :)