where's Bob Officer?

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

Who cares? Could be off getting drunk, or a heart transplant for all I care.

Kaye

2014-05-13 03:43:48 UTC

On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

This time of year the professional bike races are running. I know he
follows those. The current one is Tour of California.
Kaye

Fred

2014-05-13 09:16:35 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

This time of year the professional bike races are running. I know he
follows those. The current one is Tour of California.
Kaye

Thanks, Kaye.
That sounds exciting.
--
You have to remember Michele I don't take any pharmaceutical products
at all except for the occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count? Are you a drunk
who tries to minimize their binge drinking? Alcoholics often defend
their drinking, Carole. Hangovers don't happen after a drink or two.
Drinking to the point of getting a hangover is binge drinking.
Occasionally binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day - should have
stopped at one though." - carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was working away
from home, thought it was fun at the time, sort of like in holiday mode.
The result of being brought up in an overly straight environment where
my parents drank 1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd
year. Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up drinking by
substituting with soft drink, which I have now downscaled to about 1
750ml bottle a week mixed with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda
water. I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last. As I said,
occasionally I indulge, or if I go to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe occasional glass
of something if I go out." - carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional paracetamol less
and less frequently.” – carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

carole

2014-05-17 09:26:00 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

Whatever.
--
You have to remember Michele I don't take any pharmaceutical products
at all except for the occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

Yes, I used to drink alcohol and get the odd hangover. So what?
And I used to take paracetamol for the hangovers here and there, again
so what?

Post by Fred
"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"

- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

Reply: So what? A lot of people drink alcohol, its not a crime.

Post by Fred
"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count? Are you a drunk

who tries to minimize their binge drinking? Alcoholics often defend
their drinking, Carole. Hangovers don't happen after a drink or two.
Drinking to the point of getting a hangover is binge drinking.
Occasionally binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

Who cares and what of it?
A lot of people drink alcohol and its not a crime.
Drinking alcohol is part of Australian culture.

Post by Fred
"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day - should have

stopped at one though." - carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

I don't see what all this talk about drinking alcohol has to do with
alternative health. Bob drinks alcohol, so does steelclaws.

And note that steelclaws got really upset when I said something about
her friend being sick or dying or something. And she said "die bitch
die" (paraphrased).

When confronted over her attitude, she commented that it was
justifiable "under the circumstances" and that she was driven to such
rude reply due to what I said. What circumstances and really?

I don't think anybody is justified in that type of comment, especially
somebody who passes themselves off as educated the way steelclaws did.

Then she disappeared after giving me a hard time, when I asked her
what conventional medicine was doing for her. Not too much it seems.

Post by Fred
Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was working away

from home, thought it was fun at the time, sort of like in holiday
mode.
The result of being brought up in an overly straight environment where
my parents drank 1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd
year. Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers. carole on 27 Apr 2014

Post by Fred
I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up drinking by

substituting with soft drink, which I have now downscaled to about 1
750ml bottle a week mixed with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda
water. I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last. As I said,
occasionally I indulge, or if I go to visit somebody who drinks.
carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

My comment is to people repeating things i've said - so what?

Do you really think this type of repeating of things I've said, is in
anyway meaningful?
I don't.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

carole

2014-05-17 09:29:05 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

John H. Gohde

2014-05-17 10:25:28 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

I don't accept health advice from drunks nor from fools. Carole, of course, loses on both counts. Could be why Carole is a loser?

Australian culture? LOL If Australian movies are any indication, Australia is the land of crazy people.

Now, if Carole would ONLY follow the path of the Crocodile Hunter and end up sacrificing herself so that Australian Crocks would have something lumpy to eat. LOL

Fred

2014-05-17 12:39:39 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

Keep wondering. Your imagination is without limit.

The truth is always too painful for you.
--
You have to remember Michele I don't take any pharmaceutical products
at all except for the occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count? Are you a drunk
who tries to minimize their binge drinking? Alcoholics often defend
their drinking, Carole. Hangovers don't happen after a drink or two.
Drinking to the point of getting a hangover is binge drinking.
Occasionally binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day - should have
stopped at one though." - carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was working away
from home, thought it was fun at the time, sort of like in holiday mode.
The result of being brought up in an overly straight environment where
my parents drank 1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd
year. Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up drinking by
substituting with soft drink, which I have now downscaled to about 1
750ml bottle a week mixed with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda
water. I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last. As I said,
occasionally I indulge, or if I go to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe occasional glass
of something if I go out." - carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional paracetamol less
and less frequently.” – carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

carole

2014-05-17 12:57:09 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

Keep wondering. Your imagination is without limit.
The truth is always too painful for you.

No, you're the one who can't handle the truth.
I got diagnosed with a bladder infection and prescription for
antibiotics.
Note: renal function ok after 30+ years of cellsalts.

You see its a massive con that a person needs antibiotics to cure
infection. An infection is where the wrong bacteria begin to become
predominant. People are made up of trillions of bacteria which are
necessary to perform all the many varied functions within the body.
Good bacteria work to keep our bodies going well. It is only when the
bad bacteria begin to take over that there is a problem.

Say hello to the 100 trillion bacteria that make up your microbiome
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/magazine/say-hello-to-the-100-trillion-bacteria-that-make-up-your-microbiome.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
"It turns out that we are only 10 percent human: for every human cell
that is intrinsic to our body, there are about 10 resident microbes
including commensals (generally harmless freeloaders) and mutualists
(favor traders) and, in only a tiny number of cases, pathogens."
-----

I remember years ago when I went to the outpatient clinic due to
appendicitis. At that time I didn't know about cellsalts - but the
doctors took a long time to diagnose my condition, then after my
appendix were removed, I still had problems with vomiting and illness.
Then they began to run tests to see what might have been wrong - maybe
gall bladder they said, despite the fact I was 7 stone and couldn't
keep anything down. I thought to myself back then that i'd better
begin to look after my own health because they just didn't know what
they were doing.

That is when I began to get into cellsalts.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Ernie

2014-05-17 13:07:01 UTC

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

Keep wondering. Your imagination is without limit.
The truth is always too painful for you.

No, you're the one who can't handle the truth.

That's right. I'm rubber, and you're glue.

Does that get it down to a level you can understand?

<snip the rest of the usual idiot's rant>

--
“I am not a science trained person and don't feel compelled
to operate by scientific rules . . . I couldn't give a
flying fuck about scientific evidence . . . Have you got
any scientific evidence that you are not a contentious
fuckwit?” - carole replying to Steelclaws on 25 Aug 2010
Message-ID: <fRTco.4372$***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

Kaye

2014-05-17 16:24:22 UTC

On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

--
Kaye
Carole on cellsalts:
"Kaye, if you had even the slightest idea of how cellsalts are used,
you would know that they are used to alleviate symptoms only."
Message-ID: <_wtdp.12354$***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

Clayton

2014-05-18 02:43:45 UTC

On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

Not really. Bob is a smart guy. He probably read the bit about
debunking of placebo, and put that together with some of the other
stuff including the origins of pharmaceutical industry, and has
decided to make a graceful exit from forum.

Either that, or he's off fighting the fires.

Clayton

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - from 'Murder by
Injection - The story of the Medical Conspiracy against America' by
Eustice Mullins,
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Kaye

2014-05-18 04:36:45 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:43:45 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Clayton
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

One has to wonder why "Clayton" is answering the question as if it
were directed at "Clayton" when in fact it was addressed to
Carole.....Another glitch? I guess off all the people on usenet,
glitches only happen to Carole and/or her socks <g>

Bob Officer

2014-05-18 05:18:27 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:43:45 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Clayton
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

Buzz! Carole is 100% wrong!

While I am a fully qualified and certified Fire fighter (no one
leaves US Navy Basic Training or Navy OCS without that credential),
fighting a wild fire is beyond this 60+ year old's ability at this
time. I would be a determent (and liability) to any "strike team"
made up of 20-30 year old fire fighters.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

John H. Gohde

2014-05-18 07:41:13 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
While I am a fully qualified and certified Fire fighter (no one
leaves US Navy Basic Training or Navy OCS without that credential),
fighting a wild fire is beyond this 60+ year old's ability at this
time. I would be a determent (and liability) to any "strike team"
made up of 20-30 year old fire fighters.

Notice how all the crazy people living in California because they are crazy, end up spending all their time running away from nature?

Birds of a feather flock together. :(

Funny how you do not hear of any reports of forest fires, mud slides, earthquakes out East where all the NORMAL people live. Yet, every year like clock work you hear of a hundred homes being lost in some stupid forest fire. Wasn't the last disaster started by Bob Officer doing a "controlled burn."

May all the brainiacs kindly stay in California with all the other crazy people, who cannot kill themselves fast enough because they are crazy.

carole

2014-05-20 02:15:46 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:43:45 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Clayton
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

Buzz! Carole is 100% wrong!
While I am a fully qualified and certified Fire fighter (no one
leaves US Navy Basic Training or Navy OCS without that credential),
fighting a wild fire is beyond this 60+ year old's ability at this
time. I would be a determent (and liability) to any "strike team"
made up of 20-30 year old fire fighters.

Determent - is that a word?
Maybe you mean detriment.

I thought older experienced people made up for lack of any physical
ability, with greater experience.
It would be horrible to be a fire fighter, wearing those heavy suits
they wear in hot weather. I don't know how they do it.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 03:18:41 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:15:46 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:43:45 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Clayton
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

Buzz! Carole is 100% wrong!
While I am a fully qualified and certified Fire fighter (no one
leaves US Navy Basic Training or Navy OCS without that credential),
fighting a wild fire is beyond this 60+ year old's ability at this
time. I would be a determent (and liability) to any "strike team"
made up of 20-30 year old fire fighters.

Determent - is that a word?

yes it is... But this is a case of an auto correct action again.

Post by carole
Maybe you mean detriment.

I suspect that could be right. the other might fit in some cases.

Post by carole
I thought older experienced people made up for lack of any physical
ability, with greater experience.

Not in a fire, especially a wildfire. Do you understand the physical
fitness required to maintain proficiency ratings as a Fire fighter?
One of the test is to run 500 feet carrying a 2 inch hose and climb a
50 foot ladder which is nearly vertical, carrying that same hose in
or under a set time.

In the California there is a mandatory retirement age of 50 for all
fire fighters. No exemptions. Many communities have a younger age.

Post by carole
It would be horrible to be a fire fighter, wearing those heavy suits
they wear in hot weather. I don't know how they do it.

That's why being a fire fighter is a younger persons job. Now imagine
you in a wild fire. not only are you fighting a fire, but you are
claiming in the mountains often in very steep inclines with no trail
to follow.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

The Other Guy

2014-05-20 05:40:10 UTC

Post by carole
I thought older experienced people made up for lack of any physical
ability, with greater experience.

Not in a fire, especially a wildfire.

They do, in that the most experienced and proven firefighters become
the Battalion Chiefs, and higher ranks, that run the operations.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

John H. Gohde

2014-05-20 08:10:55 UTC

Post by The Other Guy

Post by carole
I thought older experienced people made up for lack of any physical
ability, with greater experience.

Not in a fire, especially a wildfire.

They do, in that the most experienced and proven firefighters become
the Battalion Chiefs, and higher ranks, that run the operations.

Any ass-hole, including firefighters, who use water stolen from other states to fight their stupid fires are criminals in my book.

2014-05-18 13:57:51 UTC

Post by Clayton
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:24:22 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:29:05 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I always wondered what would happen when bob finally works out he's
been barking up the wrong tree. How would he make a graceful
withdrawal from mha and his altie bashing?

LOL You are assuming a lot aren't you?

Another leak in that killfile?

Post by Clayton
Clayton
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - from 'Murder by
Injection - The story of the Medical Conspiracy against America' by
Eustice Mullins,
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Lu

Bob Officer

2014-05-18 02:52:07 UTC

On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?

Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

carole

2014-05-18 03:28:29 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Gee bob, I thought you might have realised you were arguing on the
losing side and decided to discretely remove yourself. But it seems
that you are a bit more dogged in your delusions than that.

The pharmaceutical pawns in mha have become a little lost without you,
as their main purpose in the group is backup to their trusty leader
with comments like "I agree with bob", "bob's right and you're stupid"
etc.

Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Bob Officer

2014-05-18 05:02:16 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

Post by carole
Gee bob, I thought you might have realised you were arguing on the
losing side and decided to discretely remove yourself. But it seems
that you are a bit more dogged in your delusions than that.

You and thinking does not go hand in hand, carole. I doubt if you
have the ability to actually think.

Post by carole
The pharmaceutical pawns in mha have become a little lost without you,
as their main purpose in the group is backup to their trusty leader
with comments like "I agree with bob", "bob's right and you're stupid"
etc.

Not from what I have read.

Post by carole
Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

A few months. My employer is trying to entice me to work for "just
one more year" or at least work as "an consultant".

Post by carole
You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

I have many things to occupy my time. Certainly, my work in amateur
radio and ECOMM will keep me more than busy if I choose. The US is
about one half as big as the size of your country and has much to
offer in interest. We have plans on a bit of traveling. A bit of rock
and mineral collecting, and of course spending time with my wonderful
wife and companion (her name is Karen) of the last 39 years.

I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people, but
then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

carole

2014-05-18 05:30:17 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

You and thinking does not go hand in hand, carole. I doubt if you
have the ability to actually think.

It doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to know that modern medicine
is under the domination of other than what is best for the public.

Not from what I have read.

They are floundering without you bob.
Just a mob of bleeting sheep following along with what they've been
indoctrinated with from birth.

Post by carole
Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

A few months. My employer is trying to entice me to work for "just
one more year" or at least work as "an consultant".

Why not?
You always pride yourself on having money, why not a bit more?

Post by carole
You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

I'm happy for you bob.
One can never have too many rocks.

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people, but
then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the time
we're born. And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along
with it.

Make sense?

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Bob Officer

2014-05-18 05:56:41 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 15:30:17 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

You and thinking does not go hand in hand, carole. I doubt if you
have the ability to actually think.

It doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to know that modern medicine
is under the domination of other than what is best for the public.

Then you are well known as a person unable to think at all, carole

Not from what I have read.

They are floundering without you bob.
Just a mob of bleeting sheep following along with what they've been
indoctrinated with from birth.

Post by carole
Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

A few months. My employer is trying to entice me to work for "just
one more year" or at least work as "an consultant".

Why not?
You always pride yourself on having money, why not a bit more?

not really. Monetary compensation was on par for my learned skills,
carole.
For what purpose would I need to seek more compensation? Right now
the retirement pay is nearly equal to my current earnings.

Post by carole
You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

I'm happy for you bob.
One can never have too many rocks.

Nor world wide contacts, carole.

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people, but
then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Then you are the ignorant one, unable to understand what you have
read, and have shown a total over ignorance of the world around you.
One would imagine if one looked up the word "dumbed-down" in any
encyclopedia your picture would be shown next to the definition.

Post by carole
Make sense?

you never make any sense, carole.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Fred

2014-05-18 08:37:34 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.

Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.

The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.

You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.

No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.
--
You have to remember Michele I don't take any pharmaceutical products
at all except for the occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count? Are you a drunk
who tries to minimize their binge drinking? Alcoholics often defend
their drinking, Carole. Hangovers don't happen after a drink or two.
Drinking to the point of getting a hangover is binge drinking.
Occasionally binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day - should have
stopped at one though." - carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was working away
from home, thought it was fun at the time, sort of like in holiday mode.
The result of being brought up in an overly straight environment where
my parents drank 1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd
year. Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up drinking by
substituting with soft drink, which I have now downscaled to about 1
750ml bottle a week mixed with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda
water. I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last. As I said,
occasionally I indulge, or if I go to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe occasional glass
of something if I go out." - carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional paracetamol less
and less frequently.” – carole on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

The Other Guy

2014-05-18 08:51:52 UTC

Post by Fred
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

The fallacy so many stupid people accept is that school teaches you
WHAT to think, when the reality is a good education teaches you HOW
to think.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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carole

2014-05-20 02:48:16 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 01:51:52 -0700, The Other Guy

Post by The Other Guy

Post by Fred
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

The fallacy so many stupid people accept is that school teaches you
WHAT to think, when the reality is a good education teaches you HOW
to think.

But its not all about school, its society in general.
Even before people go to school they are conditioned to go along with
mainstream.

People aren't encouraged to ask questions, but to have "experts" and
"reliable courses" do their thinking for them.
However, the problem is these "experts" and "reliable sources" aren't
what they are portrayed to be. They are merely pawns in a system who
need to go along with it for the sake of their careers.

That old cliche about education teaching people HOW to think is as old
as the hills, you know? It has been around for a long time.
In effect people aren't really encouraged to think outside the box.

Look what happened to simoncini when he thought for himself. He got
delicensed. And the same happens to any other person who dares to
think outside the box. There is a system and mavericks and free
thinkers, and whistleblowers aren't treated well if they stray from
what is expected.

So you're an idiot so deeply deluded and entrenched in mainstream
mentality and I would say that your brain has calcified, unable to
change to think other than your conditioning.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

The Other Guy

2014-05-20 05:30:37 UTC

Post by carole
But its not all about school, its society in general.
Even before people go to school they are conditioned to go along with
mainstream.

THAT is called Society, and it's WHY we consider modern society
to be civilized, rather than anarchistic or chaotic.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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Bob Officer

2014-05-18 16:44:44 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 04:37:34 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

She used to be pointed to several different basic free on the web
classes for subjects she calls "dumbed-down".

She has no real idea of what she is writing about most of the time
and lacks the critical thinking skills most children start to develop
about the 4th or 5th year of schooling. There is a point in education
which a child has a good background and basic skills and is ready to
do more learning about how to learn, than learning things by rote. A
few children learn these critical thinking skills early. All of them
should have them by the end of grammar school and begin secondary
schooling.

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.

She seldom makes any sense. (the fact her socks echo the nonsense
which the very same parsing of words, including the exact same
fallacies it a very telling indicator of who is actually writing.

Post by Fred
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

Is toothless john still posting?

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

John H. Gohde

2014-05-18 19:20:45 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
Is toothless john still posting?

What? Moi has regrown a completely new set of teeth thanks to MK-7.

Going where newsreader filters dare NOT tread. :)

Here is hoping that a mud slide will catch up with our Bob.

Ernie

2014-05-18 20:02:13 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 04:37:34 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

She used to be pointed to several different basic free on the web
classes for subjects she calls "dumbed-down".
She has no real idea of what she is writing about most of the time
and lacks the critical thinking skills most children start to develop
about the 4th or 5th year of schooling. There is a point in education
which a child has a good background and basic skills and is ready to
do more learning about how to learn, than learning things by rote. A
few children learn these critical thinking skills early. All of them
should have them by the end of grammar school and begin secondary
schooling.

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.

She seldom makes any sense. (the fact her socks echo the nonsense
which the very same parsing of words, including the exact same
fallacies it a very telling indicator of who is actually writing.

Post by Fred
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

Is toothless john still posting?

I have him killfiled for another few weeks, until I promised, at the
time I killfiled him, to let him out for a probationary run, to see if
he had learned how to behave correctly online.

So I haven't really seen any of his posts in almost the last 6 months,
except for a brief one, about a week or so ago, when I happened to be
looking at this ng through Google.

I noticed one of his recent posts. He does not appear to have changed
for the better one bit.

So now I'm wondering whether I really should let him out of my killfile.

Bob Officer

2014-05-18 20:56:20 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 16:02:13 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 04:37:34 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

She used to be pointed to several different basic free on the web
classes for subjects she calls "dumbed-down".
She has no real idea of what she is writing about most of the time
and lacks the critical thinking skills most children start to develop
about the 4th or 5th year of schooling. There is a point in education
which a child has a good background and basic skills and is ready to
do more learning about how to learn, than learning things by rote. A
few children learn these critical thinking skills early. All of them
should have them by the end of grammar school and begin secondary
schooling.

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.

She seldom makes any sense. (the fact her socks echo the nonsense
which the very same parsing of words, including the exact same
fallacies it a very telling indicator of who is actually writing.

Post by Fred
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

Is toothless john still posting?

I have him killfiled for another few weeks, until I promised, at the
time I killfiled him, to let him out for a probationary run, to see if
he had learned how to behave correctly online.

You hope for a lot do not. I know you believe in miracles, but
really?

Post by Ernie
So I haven't really seen any of his posts in almost the last 6 months,
except for a brief one, about a week or so ago, when I happened to be
looking at this ng through Google.

I think I let him out over the winter holidays and put him right back
in, I didn't see one bit of change.

Post by Ernie
I noticed one of his recent posts. He does not appear to have changed
for the better one bit.
So now I'm wondering whether I really should let him out of my killfile.

Wonder that?

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Ernie

2014-05-18 21:23:38 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 16:02:13 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 04:37:34 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

She used to be pointed to several different basic free on the web
classes for subjects she calls "dumbed-down".
She has no real idea of what she is writing about most of the time
and lacks the critical thinking skills most children start to develop
about the 4th or 5th year of schooling. There is a point in education
which a child has a good background and basic skills and is ready to
do more learning about how to learn, than learning things by rote. A
few children learn these critical thinking skills early. All of them
should have them by the end of grammar school and begin secondary
schooling.

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.

She seldom makes any sense. (the fact her socks echo the nonsense
which the very same parsing of words, including the exact same
fallacies it a very telling indicator of who is actually writing.

Post by Fred
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

Is toothless john still posting?

I have him killfiled for another few weeks, until I promised, at the
time I killfiled him, to let him out for a probationary run, to see if
he had learned how to behave correctly online.

You hope for a lot do not. I know you believe in miracles, but
really?

Post by Ernie
So I haven't really seen any of his posts in almost the last 6 months,
except for a brief one, about a week or so ago, when I happened to be
looking at this ng through Google.

I think I let him out over the winter holidays and put him right back
in, I didn't see one bit of change.

Post by Ernie
I noticed one of his recent posts. He does not appear to have changed
for the better one bit.
So now I'm wondering whether I really should let him out of my killfile.

Wonder that?

I'm happy you gave me your take on it. I think you're right. Gohde stays
in my killfile. ;-)

carole

2014-05-20 02:41:23 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.

I wouldn't say that.
People are indoctrinated from birth into mainstream mentality, which
includes pharmaceutical medicine, the need for war, the current
economic system where the divide between rich and poor is growing etc.

Post by Fred
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

OK, no different from yours.

Post by Fred
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

I work at it in the way I consider most appropriate and that isn't by
learning a whole heap of conventional science. There are enough people
who know that and all it leads to is a system where people get
qualifications in things that aren't necessarily true, and if they
dare to think differently they get deregistered or ex-communicated.

Post by Fred
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

OK, I am no more ignorant than anybody else.
More enlightened in some ways and less educated in some other ways.

Post by Fred
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

But why would you say such a thing?
Just further evidence of your non-compus-mentis, meaning you just
don't get it.
It was to mix with people who wanted to talk about alternative
medicine. That's what I came here for but instead I found a war going
on betwee alties and allopaths.
I am still waiting to find some people who want to talk about
alternative medicine. There was Dr C who contributed a lot, but mainly
I learn these days from having to correct misinformation from people
like you.

Post by Fred
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

You mean blah! blah! blah???

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Yeah, from birth we are indoctrinated into mainstream mentality, told
to fit in and go along with this and that. Not to rock the boat.
We are supposed to fit in and go along with things.

Make sense?

(do you like that one ie "make sense?"
I got it off some course I attended, some teacher kept saying it as a
way of closing off any further discussion and moving on)

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.

People are indoctrinated from birth on what is considered normal,
mainstream mentality and told to go along with it, to fit in, not to
rock the boat etc.
Anybody who questions is told they are deluded - as you do because you
have never been game to think for yourself.

Post by Fred
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

No-one is persuaded by what?

John Gohde has issues for obvious reasons.
I think he's an ok bloke but a little confused.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Ernie

2014-05-20 16:14:20 UTC

Post by carole
People are indoctrinated from birth

Projecting again, carole?

You never learned the basics adequately enough to have a valid base from
which to think for yourself.

You constantly display a lack of grounding in science and logic.

Add that whatever "competence" you acquired in English is deficient
because you were ignorant of sentence diagramming, a tool for
using proper English grammar.

Add that you frequently display an inability to read with adequate
comprehension.

All you're doing is crying "sour grapes" by labeling ("indoctrination")
that which what you needed to learn but didn't.

There's a difference between what is considered "the basics" in
education and "indoctrination."

Education involves the seeking of facts, and learning what is the
truth, and what is not.

Indoctrination is aimed at influencing people to believe in certain
statements, without being able to back up those statements with anything
but opinion.

Indoctrination is you, carole.

Post by Fred
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

OK, no different from yours.

Hardly.

Post by Fred
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

I work at it in the way I consider most appropriate and that isn't
by learning a whole heap of conventional science.

You're not capable of it when you haven't mastered secondary school
basics. That's the starting point, and you are either unable or
unwilling to get yourself to that point.

Post by carole
There are enough people who know that and all it leads to is a system
where people get qualifications in things that aren't necessarily
true, and if they dare to think differently they get deregistered or
ex-communicated.

In your case, "deregistration" or "ex-communication" is an valid
alternate term for your willful ignorance.

Post by Fred
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

OK, I am no more ignorant than anybody else.

Hardly. You are unique here in your willful ignorance.

Post by Fred
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

But why would you say such a thing?

It's a fact. You are an attention whore, and have been called out as
such by others here.

You repeat the same old nonsense, over and over again, and each time, it
is refuted and debunked here. Then, you do it again, and again, and
again. A look back at your posts over the years reveals nothing new but
the same old tired nonsense.

Even if you are incapable to grasping the corrections, common sense
would tell anyone with intelligence that repeating the same old
arguments, having already been rejected multiple times by the same
audience, is counter-productive and folly.

Repeating your nonsense will not get anyone to buy it who has already
rejected it previously. In fact, no one buys it.

Post by carole
Make sense?

Nothing you post makes sense. You are an idiot, and your own words have
made you so.

Post by Fred
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

No-one is persuaded by what?

Reading comprehension problems again, carole?

Get busy: diagram the sentence, along with a few of the preceding ones.

Post by carole
John Gohde has issues for obvious reasons.

Nowhere nearly as obnoxious as your issues, carole.

Post by carole
I think he's an ok bloke but a little confused.

No one here is as confused as you, old tart.

2014-05-21 13:50:40 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.

Post by Fred
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

OK, no different from yours.

Post by Fred
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

Just think, if you learned that "whole heap of conventional science" you
might be able to figure out where the other person is coming from and be
better able to have a discussion on the pros and cons of any subject. As it
is you go into every discussion with only half the story and immediately get
shot down because you have no idea what that other person is talking about.

Post by Fred
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

OK, I am no more ignorant than anybody else.
More enlightened in some ways and less educated in some other ways.

Post by Fred
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

Post by Fred
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

You mean blah! blah! blah???

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Yeah, from birth we are indoctrinated into mainstream mentality, told
to fit in and go along with this and that. Not to rock the boat.
We are supposed to fit in and go along with things.
Make sense?
(do you like that one ie "make sense?"
I got it off some course I attended, some teacher kept saying it as a
way of closing off any further discussion and moving on)

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.

Post by Fred
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

No-one is persuaded by what?
John Gohde has issues for obvious reasons.
I think he's an ok bloke but a little confused.
--
carole
www.cellsalts.net
Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8�
The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Lu

Bob Officer

2014-05-21 21:40:13 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:50:40 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Lu

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.

Post by Fred
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

OK, no different from yours.

Post by Fred
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

I have spent a little time brushing up on courses in nutrition, and
done a lot of independent reading on herbs, supplements, and I have
even read the german versions of Hahnemann's and Scheussler's work on
homeopathy and cellsalts. I have done this so I can discuss the
alternate claims with a full understanding of the subject. I also
have a good grasp of math, physics and electronics and can hold my
own in discussion with real rocket scientists, astronomers, and
physicists. I most likely understand the subject of alternative
medicine far better than carole ever could.

Homeopathy looks complex and it would be my personal opinion is was
designed that way to fool the rubes. It is one of the most
magnificent cons-games ever developed, and to think they are just
selling a drop of plain water or nearly plain drop on a sugar pill.

here is one for you.
take a one ounce gold coin. it is 1 inch in diameter. WE are going
to roll the coin out until it is 10 inches in diameter. and then cut
out a 1 inch circle. then roll it out again to a 10 inch circle. we
are going to 10 complete reiteration of rolling the coin out to 10
inches and cutting a one inch circle. when we get done with all 10
reiteration, I am going to claim the 1 inch circle of gold (leaf) is
worth more than the original one ounce gold coin. That's homeopathy's
principle for you, in the nut shell.

Post by Fred
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

OK, I am no more ignorant than anybody else.
More enlightened in some ways and less educated in some other ways.

Post by Fred
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

Post by Fred
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

You mean blah! blah! blah???

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Yeah, from birth we are indoctrinated into mainstream mentality, told
to fit in and go along with this and that. Not to rock the boat.
We are supposed to fit in and go along with things.
Make sense?
(do you like that one ie "make sense?"
I got it off some course I attended, some teacher kept saying it as a
way of closing off any further discussion and moving on)

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.

Post by Fred
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

No-one is persuaded by what?
John Gohde has issues for obvious reasons.
I think he's an ok bloke but a little confused.
--
carole
www.cellsalts.net
Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8Ê
The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

2014-05-22 04:27:37 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:50:40 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Lu

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

I don't know why either, maybe it has something to do with all the
lies and deception that we have shoved down our throats, from the
time we're born.

It's YOUR throat, not OUR throats. You don't speak for anyone but
yourself, carole.
Furthermore, nothing's been "shoved down your throat" that you haven't
willing accepted.

Post by Fred
The fact is that your education is substandard, for whatever reasons.

OK, no different from yours.

Post by Fred
The result is you're not willing to work to change it, or you're not
willing to accept it as something you can't change at this point.

Your knowledge on alternative medicine has always been obvious.

Post by Bob Officer
Homeopathy looks complex and it would be my personal opinion is was
designed that way to fool the rubes. It is one of the most
magnificent cons-games ever developed, and to think they are just
selling a drop of plain water or nearly plain drop on a sugar pill.
here is one for you.
take a one ounce gold coin. it is 1 inch in diameter. WE are going
to roll the coin out until it is 10 inches in diameter. and then cut
out a 1 inch circle. then roll it out again to a 10 inch circle. we
are going to 10 complete reiteration of rolling the coin out to 10
inches and cutting a one inch circle. when we get done with all 10
reiteration, I am going to claim the 1 inch circle of gold (leaf) is
worth more than the original one ounce gold coin. That's homeopathy's
principle for you, in the nut shell.

Good example. Use a pizza that is to be dinner, instead. That might prove
your point in a way she could understand.

Post by Fred
Either way, you are disaffected by it. And you project that disaffection
onto the world and other people.

OK, I am no more ignorant than anybody else.
More enlightened in some ways and less educated in some other ways.

Post by Fred
You also crave the attention from others that your display of
disaffection brings you.

Post by Fred
That's YOU in a nutshell, carole.

You mean blah! blah! blah???

Post by carole
And I don't appreciate people who try to make me go along with it.

No one is attempting to make you do anything. What people are doing here
is pointing out the folly of your expressed views.

Yeah, from birth we are indoctrinated into mainstream mentality, told
to fit in and go along with this and that. Not to rock the boat.
We are supposed to fit in and go along with things.
Make sense?
(do you like that one ie "make sense?"
I got it off some course I attended, some teacher kept saying it as a
way of closing off any further discussion and moving on)

Post by carole
Make sense?

Hardly.
You're a master at self-delusion and you continually attempt to persuade
others that your self-delusion is reality.

Post by Fred
No one is persuaded by it, not even John Gohde.

No-one is persuaded by what?
John Gohde has issues for obvious reasons.
I think he's an ok bloke but a little confused.
--
carole
www.cellsalts.net
Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8�
The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Lu

John H. Gohde

2014-05-22 09:07:05 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
I have spent a little time brushing up on courses in nutrition, and
done a lot of independent reading on herbs, supplements, and I have
even read the german versions of Hahnemann's and Scheussler's work on
homeopathy and cellsalts. I have done this so I can discuss the
alternate claims with a full understanding of the subject. I also
have a good grasp of math, physics and electronics and can hold my
own in discussion with real rocket scientists, astronomers, and
physicists. I most likely understand the subject of alternative
medicine far better than carole ever could.

Deluded Imbeciles Identifying Themselves Alert!

Bob Officer, and his ilk, are the biggest frauds on these ngs.

Bob has absolutely NO medicine / SCIENCE credentials, yet he is always trying to pass himself off as a SCIENCE person, which he positively is NOT. Bob is a math / engineer type person. Most SCIENCE people, as a matter of fact, absolutely suck at math.

Bob Officer is no more a credentialed SCIENCE person than moi is. :)

Duncan

2014-05-19 00:21:36 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

You and thinking does not go hand in hand, carole. I doubt if you
have the ability to actually think.

Not from what I have read.

Post by carole
Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

A few months. My employer is trying to entice me to work for "just
one more year" or at least work as "an consultant".

Post by carole
You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

I have many things to occupy my time. Certainly, my work in amateur
radio and ECOMM will keep me more than busy if I choose. The US is
about one half as big as the size of your country and has much to
offer in interest. We have plans on a bit of traveling. A bit of rock
and mineral collecting, and of course spending time with my wonderful
wife and companion (her name is Karen) of the last 39 years.
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people, but
then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh
all the time and turn everything into a joke. If anybody tries to get
into the deeper meaning you look at them as misfits with mental
conditions.

There's plenty of these people around - they are called yesmen and go
along with everything just to be nice. There is nothing more annoying
than people who mindlessly laugh at everything.

Duncan

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did

Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer

Bob Officer

2014-05-19 00:51:24 UTC

On Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

You and thinking does not go hand in hand, carole. I doubt if you
have the ability to actually think.

Not from what I have read.

Post by carole
Only a few more months to retirement, hey bob?

A few months. My employer is trying to entice me to work for "just
one more year" or at least work as "an consultant".

Post by carole
You'll be a bit lost without the routine I imagine.
A lot of people go downhill quickly after retirement as they lose any
sense of purpose.

I have many things to occupy my time. Certainly, my work in amateur
radio and ECOMM will keep me more than busy if I choose. The US is
about one half as big as the size of your country and has much to
offer in interest. We have plans on a bit of traveling. A bit of rock
and mineral collecting, and of course spending time with my wonderful
wife and companion (her name is Karen) of the last 39 years.
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people, but
then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh

No, carole, you rather stupid bint, it is a rather common phrase. If
one had a little wit and understood the English language it would be
very easy to understand.

You however happen to be lazy minded and when you see something you
don't understand you either ignore it or just skip over it. Either
way you end up looking as stupid as you are.

When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Duncan

2014-05-19 19:05:12 UTC

Post by Duncan
You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh

No, carole, you rather stupid bint, it is a rather common phrase. If
one had a little wit and understood the English language it would be
very easy to understand.
You however happen to be lazy minded and when you see something you
don't understand you either ignore it or just skip over it. Either
way you end up looking as stupid as you are.
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Under your own definition it means Ernie, Fred and The Other Guy are
all the same person.

Think about it.

Duncan
Fence sitter extraordinaire
"It is every man's right to sit on as many fences over as many issues
as he likes". --anon (paraphrased)

Bob Officer

2014-05-19 21:03:35 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:05:12 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Duncan
You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh

No, carole, you rather stupid bint, it is a rather common phrase. If
one had a little wit and understood the English language it would be
very easy to understand.
You however happen to be lazy minded and when you see something you
don't understand you either ignore it or just skip over it. Either
way you end up looking as stupid as you are.
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Under your own definition it means Ernie, Fred and The Other Guy are
all the same person.
Think about it.

They are not all the same person, carole.
Reverse engineering of the 4AX.com 'Message ID Generator' was done
years ago. After the challenge was made, it took about 3 months for
it to be reverse engineered.
--
Bob Officer
Corollary to Hubbard's Law:
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

carole

2014-05-20 02:54:28 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:05:12 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Duncan
You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh

No, carole, you rather stupid bint, it is a rather common phrase. If
one had a little wit and understood the English language it would be
very easy to understand.
You however happen to be lazy minded and when you see something you
don't understand you either ignore it or just skip over it. Either
way you end up looking as stupid as you are.
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Under your own definition it means Ernie, Fred and The Other Guy are
all the same person.
Think about it.

Oh, so you know they're different people because you were able to
track their identities?

But apart from that they do all sound the same.
So if you weren't able to track their actual identities anybody would
thnk they were the same person.

Maybe they are the same person.
Have you heard of the program that the military supposedly ordered, to
put out disinformation in social media? This program allowed the user
to have up to 10 (?) separate identities and handle different aspects
including locations to appear as separate people.
How do you know they're not using a program like that?

You don't, do you bob?
Not so smart now, are you bob?

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 03:37:02 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:54:28 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 05:05:12 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Duncan
You'd be one of those people who likes everybody to be happy and laugh

No, carole, you rather stupid bint, it is a rather common phrase. If
one had a little wit and understood the English language it would be
very easy to understand.
You however happen to be lazy minded and when you see something you
don't understand you either ignore it or just skip over it. Either
way you end up looking as stupid as you are.
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Under your own definition it means Ernie, Fred and The Other Guy are
all the same person.
Think about it.

Because those programs were abandoned. and the very same parsing
programs used to determine writers identities would expose them as a
the same person.

Post by carole
You don't, do you bob?
Not so smart now, are you bob?

Yes I do know, carole. and Carole I am far smarter than you are.

The program was proposed by a private industry to the military and
government. The program didn't exist at the time and the proposal
required the Goverment/Military to front them the money (estimate was
over 200million dollars) and had a time frame of 10-12 years to write
and test the program. The program was never order and the company
that proposed it went under. The program would have required at least
4 or 5 newer generations of CPU to effective operate the separate
"personalities".

You are going to repeat stuff you've "heard about" then you should at
least have a small understanding of the complexities of AIs and
Artificial Personalities.

I do keep up with the issue. one of the on-going programs is the
develop a few watch-dog programs, which are IA based to part of my
job. currently the CPU can only to about 10-12% of the reiterations
required to act as minimum watch-dogs and have been reduced to back
to being strictly alarms. We are 20 years away from having reliable
modeling software. The AIs and CPUs are not up to it yet.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

The Other Guy

2014-05-20 05:33:48 UTC

Post by carole
Oh, so you know they're different people because you were able to
track their identities?

It's CLEAR that 'they' ALL post from EXACTLY the same account
on the same computer.

So UNLESS you have all those people living with you, they ARE,
without any doubt, you acting as sock puppets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

---
This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
http://www.avast.com

Duncan

2014-05-20 02:56:33 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
Bob Officer
When you have a lack of people willing to believe your unsupported
claims, invent lots of sock puppets. Sock puppets which use your own
phrases and idioms. Make sure the are so identical to you, even to
the point of making the same logic and grammar errors. Then make sure
to fail to change the headers and signature to match the puppet. Then
become offended when everyone laughs at your antics and points out
your overall lack of intelligence.

Hey bob, give carole a break.
Haven't you heard that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Duncan
Fence sitter extraordinaire

">I didn't know there was a requirement to generate topics. Where did

Post by Bob Officer
you get that idiotic idea from. " -- Bob Officer

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 03:20:42 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:56:33 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Hey bob, give carole a break.
Haven't you heard that imitation is the highest form of flattery.

carole you do not fool anyone...

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Ernie

2014-05-19 01:06:15 UTC

On 5/18/2014 8:21 PM, Duncan aka carole wrote:

From: Duncan <***@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
X-Complaints-To: ***@easynews.com
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

Nothing in your so-called search involves identifying a purpose in life
to feel positively about.

At best, all you do is attribute negative qualities to others, which
reflects more on your own failure and inability to deal effectively with
the unhappiness therefrom.

Post by Duncan
There's plenty of these people around - they are called yesmen and go
along with everything just to be nice. There is nothing more annoying
than people who mindlessly laugh at everything.

This is your standard "pharmaceutical pawn" accusation, having no proof
or validity of any kind. It is a form of believing in unfounded
conspiratorial theories, bordering on paranoia.

Bob Officer

2014-05-19 13:03:21 UTC

On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

One must have a firm grasp on the basics, before one can have a
chance of grabbing the brass ring of deeper meanings. She lacks the
basics, and doesn't seems to even realize what she is doing most of
the time.

Post by Ernie
Nothing in your so-called search involves identifying a purpose in life
to feel positively about.
At best, all you do is attribute negative qualities to others, which
reflects more on your own failure and inability to deal effectively with
the unhappiness therefrom.

At best she projects her own personality flaws onto other people. Why
do you have reason when she calls other people names or attempt to
point out their short-commings, those are her own flaws and
characteristics? After reading her posts and finding out how little
she understands of the human biology and chemistry, one can see why
she calls anyone that does understand the subject matter,
"dumbed-down", can't you? IT is always a case of projection for
carole.

This is your standard "pharmaceutical pawn" accusation, having no proof
or validity of any kind. It is a form of believing in unfounded
conspiratorial theories, bordering on paranoia.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Ernie

2014-05-19 15:45:29 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.

Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

Bob Officer

2014-05-19 20:52:11 UTC

On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor would ask her to leave and 'fire' her as a patient. There
is a liability issue involved, and I am sure there is some analog of
the same issue in Oz. Dismissal of a recalcitrant patient happens
here but not very often.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

carole

2014-05-20 03:15:10 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies. I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.
And the US health system is the most expensive in the world but not
the healthiest, as it is dominated by the pharmaceutical cartel who
have all sorts of rules that work to their favour, not the public's.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 03:42:04 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies.

This is were you are wrong. It is called lying by omission. AMD in
the US can discharge (fire) a patient for withhold information.

Post by carole
I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

No wonder you are considered foolish by so many people.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

If you lie by omission, you are still lying aren't you? Why bother
with a check up if you lie about your condition?

Post by carole
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.

if you are dishonest to the doctor you are not getting service, are
you?

Post by carole
And the US health system is the most expensive in the world but not
the healthiest, as it is dominated by the pharmaceutical cartel who
have all sorts of rules that work to their favour, not the public's.

I suspect there are a great many people which are just like you,
lying to their doctors.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

carole

2014-05-20 07:52:52 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies.

This is were you are wrong. It is called lying by omission. AMD in
the US can discharge (fire) a patient for withhold information.

You in the US are more under the thumb of pharma-based medicine.

Post by carole
I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

No wonder you are considered foolish by so many people.

There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

If you lie by omission, you are still lying aren't you? Why bother
with a check up if you lie about your condition?

If I went along with everything the allopathic doc wanted, I run the
risk of being put on pharmaceutical drugs rather than using my own
natural remedies.
And this is what big pharma would like, but not in my best interests.
We all know that corporations are trying to run everything on the
planet.

Post by carole
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.

if you are dishonest to the doctor you are not getting service, are
you?

If I go for a checkup or diagnosis, I am getting what I want.
Why not?
I don't go to the doctor for remedies but diagnosis and checkup.
This is why I went recently to checkout my kidney function - which
turned out to be fine.

I suspect there are a great many people which are just like you,
lying to their doctors.

I told my last doctor that I took cellsalts only and didn't believe in
taking pharmaceutical drugs. I guess he runs into alties here and
there and as long as they haven't got any major issues I don't think
he'd be too concerned. After all type 2 diabetics can eliminate
diabetes with diet and exercise proving that its not all about "safe
and efficacious" pharmaceutical drugs. There are other ways.

Last doctor offered me some anti-inflammatory drug for my ankle but I
declined the offer. He has retired now. I never got down to details
with my current doctor. Maybe next visit, or the one after if he's
still there. I don't go very often, and just for diagnosis and checkup
every year or two just to see what's going on.

Yes, my ankle is slowly improving. I expect full functionality in due
course. I didn't know it was arthritic back then, and that is why I
went to the doc to see what was wrong. Nothing wrong with getting a
diagnosis so I know what approach to take. A lot of people develop it
as they age. But now that I know the secret for curing it, that won't
be an issue again.
I recall there a year or so ago, I couldn't walk very fast but now am
back to a quick pace.

And due to the marvels of modern medicine you can expect to be on
lifelong medication with no hope of a cure once you develop arthritis.
This is how corporate medicine works, they're in it for the money, and
would rather treat for life of patient rather than cure anything

Modern medicine is a con.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Ernie

2014-05-20 13:03:58 UTC

Post by carole
There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

Two confirmations of your foolishness:

1. Your inability to moderate your consumption of alcoholic beverages.

2. Seeking a diagnosis from a EBM pracitioner for a bladder infection
but failing to follow through with the prescribed regimen of antibiotic
medication.

Kaye

2014-05-20 23:21:19 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:03:58 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by carole
There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

1. Your inability to moderate your consumption of alcoholic beverages.
2. Seeking a diagnosis from a EBM pracitioner for a bladder infection
but failing to follow through with the prescribed regimen of antibiotic
medication.

LOL We could take a poll of the people here to see who finds her
foolish. ;-)
Kaye

Ernie

2014-05-21 02:45:15 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:03:58 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by carole
There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

LOL We could take a poll of the people here to see who finds her
foolish. ;-)

If she brings it up again, a poll should be taken. ;-)

Kaye

2014-05-21 02:57:15 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 22:45:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 09:03:58 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by carole
There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

LOL We could take a poll of the people here to see who finds her
foolish. ;-)

If she brings it up again, a poll should be taken. ;-)

Yup.

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 13:29:39 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 17:52:52 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies.

This is were you are wrong. It is called lying by omission. AMD in
the US can discharge (fire) a patient for withhold information.

You in the US are more under the thumb of pharma-based medicine.

I could check and I bet the same provisions are the rule of thumb in
your own country, carole. It is to protect the doctor against unfair
lawsuits. If you omit you are taken a herbal supplement, and the MD
gives you a script for medicine, there are real chances of drug
interaction.

You see your lie by omission places the MD in a bad position.

Post by carole
I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

No wonder you are considered foolish by so many people.

There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

I consider you foolish and since the other users seem to feel you are
foolish also. That is why you invented the stocking array, carole.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

If you lie by omission, you are still lying aren't you? Why bother
with a check up if you lie about your condition?

Post by carole
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.

if you are dishonest to the doctor you are not getting service, are
you?

If I go for a checkup or diagnosis, I am getting what I want.
Why not?

What if your concoctions were masking a condition?

Post by carole
I don't go to the doctor for remedies but diagnosis and checkup.
This is why I went recently to checkout my kidney function - which
turned out to be fine.

Depending on the test, they could be. a simple BUN is not a full
check of Renal conditions. The fact is you had a infection and may
have had it for a long time causing damage.

I suspect there are a great many people which are just like you,
lying to their doctors.

Some can and some can't. Do not reduce everything to the simple. I
know many active and diet conscience Type II diabetics which are not
over-weight and never were overweight.

Post by carole
Last doctor offered me some anti-inflammatory drug for my ankle but I
declined the offer. He has retired now. I never got down to details
with my current doctor. Maybe next visit, or the one after if he's
still there. I don't go very often, and just for diagnosis and checkup
every year or two just to see what's going on.

That's good. but being less than truthful is lying by omission.

Post by carole
Yes, my ankle is slowly improving. I expect full functionality in due
course. I didn't know it was arthritic back then, and that is why I
went to the doc to see what was wrong. Nothing wrong with getting a
diagnosis so I know what approach to take. A lot of people develop it
as they age. But now that I know the secret for curing it, that won't
be an issue again.
I recall there a year or so ago, I couldn't walk very fast but now am
back to a quick pace.

I hope you are right. However the anti-inflamitory would have really
helped by healing faster with less damage.

Post by carole
And due to the marvels of modern medicine you can expect to be on
lifelong medication with no hope of a cure once you develop arthritis.

Who says that? after all you've been on a life time of taken a never
changing mixture of your concoctions to treat your ills and haven't
yet cured your foot fungus.

Post by carole
This is how corporate medicine works, they're in it for the money, and
would rather treat for life of patient rather than cure anything
Modern medicine is a con.

That's homeopathy.

I have a foot fungus, put a 10 dollars worth of cream on it years ago
and it has never come back. This is the usual for the that type of
common foot fungus. I am not taking any medicine currently.

You are just so wrong about your view of the world, carole.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

2014-05-21 21:35:09 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies.

This is were you are wrong. It is called lying by omission. AMD in
the US can discharge (fire) a patient for withhold information.

You in the US are more under the thumb of pharma-based medicine.

Post by carole
I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

No wonder you are considered foolish by so many people.

There is no proof I am considered foolish by anybody.

That is a pretty foolish statement. You really ready to read the proof that
very many people consider you foolish.

I'm just one person but consider you very foolish, Carole.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

If you lie by omission, you are still lying aren't you? Why bother
with a check up if you lie about your condition?

Everything????? So, your doctor did find other things wrong with you. Time
to 'fess up Carole. What else besides your bladder infection did he want to
treat? I will bet that your blood test was a dilly.

Post by carole
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.

if you are dishonest to the doctor you are not getting service, are
you?

And, you keep changing Doctors because they won't see you again.
You happen to be a huge liability for all doctors.

I suspect there are a great many people which are just like you,
lying to their doctors.

You did not tell us that the doctor diagnosed you as diabetic.
Yes Carole, you are foolish to take a chance on diabetes and the outcome from
self treatment. At least with diabetes you would not have to guess at your
blood sugar levels if you were smart enough to pick up testing equipment and
supplies.

Gee, didn't you tell us that you hadn't been to a doctor in years? Now, it
comes out that you go every year or two????

Yes, very foolish if you really believe you can cure that arthritis.

Post by carole
And due to the marvels of modern medicine you can expect to be on
lifelong medication with no hope of a cure once you develop arthritis.
This is how corporate medicine works, they're in it for the money, and
would rather treat for life of patient rather than cure anything

think Carole! Ask yourself how much money a person who did not survive an
illness, spends? If I died at age 30 from flu, the pharmaceutical industry
just lost 50 or more years of getting money from me. Understand that it is
in the best interests of all companies to keep me alive and spending.

Post by carole
Modern medicine is a con.

Not if it works.

Post by carole
--
carole
www.cellsalts.net
Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8�
The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Lu

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 03:43:18 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Ernie

2014-05-20 12:21:34 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go along
with whatever is prescribed.
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him
/ her.

That is incorrect.

The doctor-patient relationship is NOT one of master-servant. It is a
cooperative partnership for the patient's best health outcome. The
quality of that relationship is at the core of quality health care.

The patient has responsibilities to fulfill for that relationship to
work properly in the patient's best interest.

One is to pursue lifestyles known to promote positive health results,
such as proper diet and nutrition, adequate rest, and regular exercise.
Concurrently, a patient should avoid behaviors known to be detrimental
to one's health, such as smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, and
drug abuse.

Another is to provide accurate information to providers regarding their
medical and personal histories, and current symptoms and conditions.

Another is to seek and read literature about their conditions and weigh
all pertinent factors in making informed decisions about their care.

Another is to cooperate fully with providers in complying with mutually
accepted treatment regimens and regularly reporting on treatment
progress. That includes informing their providers of other medications
and treatments they are pursuing simultaneously.

And the US health system is the most expensive in the world but not
the healthiest, as it is dominated by the pharmaceutical cartel who
have all sorts of rules that work to their favour, not the
public's.

A primary reason for that was attributed to the persistence of large
numbers of uninsured in the USA. The United States was among the few
industrialized nations in the world that did not guarantee access to
health care for its population. The U.S. Census Bureau reported that
49.9 million residents, 16.3% of the population, were uninsured in 2010.

In 2010 the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) became
law, providing for major changes in health insurance. The medical system
will be forced to change normal procedures.

Kaye

2014-05-20 03:47:50 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

Yes there is. Every time I go in I am asked to list all I'm taking,
whether prescription, over the counter, alternative, vitamins or
supplements. The doctor cannot treat effectively without ALL the
information. This is why you don't have success when you go to the
doctor. You are not honest with him/her. I can imagine right now,
when your bladder infection doesn't go away, you will blame the doctor
even though you have told us you have no intention of taking what
he/she prescribed. That will not be the doctor's fault, but yours and
yet you will blame him/her.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Post by carole
Remember bob, a doctor is providing a service to me - not me to him /
her.
And the US health system is the most expensive in the world but not
the healthiest, as it is dominated by the pharmaceutical cartel who
have all sorts of rules that work to their favour, not the public's.

Kaye

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 04:37:06 UTC

On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:15:10 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by Bob Officer
On Mon, 19 May 2014 11:45:29 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:06:15 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Ernie
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: where's Bob Officer?
Organization: Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 10:21:36 +1000

Post by Bob Officer
I do not know why you have such a sour attitude to other people,
but then you are a rather ignorant and hateful bint, carole.

Your thought processes don't qualify as a search for "deeper meaning."

She not only doesn't have a good grasp of the basics, but it's also
clear from her interpretations that her reading comprehension is lacking.

That has been one of her many problems.

An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

The doctor is there to serve the patient.

and the service only works if the patient is 100% honest with the
doctor.

Post by carole
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies. I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

and there is the key. Carole lies through an overt act of omission.
She is less than honest with the doctor just as she is less than
honest with herself.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

This post shows carole in her true light. arrogant, ignorant, and
mean spirited. She ugly inside and out. Any doctor worth is salt
would discharge her upon finding out she had lied to him.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

carole

2014-05-20 08:12:27 UTC

Post by carole
The doctor is there to serve the patient.

and the service only works if the patient is 100% honest with the
doctor.

As I said, I went for a checkup.
I wouldn't trust a doctor schooled solely in pharmaceutical medicine
to make best judgement.

Post by carole
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies. I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

and there is the key. Carole lies through an overt act of omission.
She is less than honest with the doctor just as she is less than
honest with herself.

As I said, I told my last doctor who is now retired, that I only took
alternative remedies ie cellsalts and that I wouldn't take
pharmaceutical drugs.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here?
Are you referring to my tonsilitis that was fixed by chiropractic or
when I had my appendix out for no good reason, as I since discovered I
could have fixed it with cellsalts.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

Ernie

2014-05-20 13:14:24 UTC

I went for a checkup. I wouldn't trust a doctor schooled solely in
pharmaceutical medicine to make best judgement.

Apparently, you don't trust a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner for a
checkup either.

I told my last doctor who is now retired, that I only took
alternative remedies ie cellsalts and that I wouldn't take
pharmaceutical drugs.

No wonder he retired. Having to deal with a foolishly-quacked tart like
you was reason enough.

Post by Bob Officer
Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

Try getting your stupidity fixed by cellsalts.

Oh wait . . .

Bob Officer

2014-05-20 20:44:27 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:12:27 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by carole
The doctor is there to serve the patient.

and the service only works if the patient is 100% honest with the
doctor.

As I said, I went for a checkup.
I wouldn't trust a doctor schooled solely in pharmaceutical medicine
to make best judgement.

How stupid are you carole?

This is why you get bad information and recommendations from the
doctor. you lie to them and they can no work from the information you
give them.

Post by carole
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies. I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

and there is the key. Carole lies through an overt act of omission.
She is less than honest with the doctor just as she is less than
honest with herself.

As I said, I told my last doctor who is now retired, that I only took
alternative remedies ie cellsalts and that I wouldn't take
pharmaceutical drugs.

He should have at that point shown you to door. It is called
discharging a patient. You were just wasting your time and his time
and effort.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here?

You, the liar.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Ernie

2014-05-20 20:44:01 UTC

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go
along with whatever is prescribed.

I made this point earlier.

Why go see a EBM physician for what you term as a "checkup" if
you're not willing to comply with his recommended treatment?

Why aren't you visiting a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner, or
self-diagnosing pursuant to your study of homeopathic literature?

You apparently don't trust EBM's treatment, but yet you don't fully
trust a diagnosis based upon homeopathy either.

Do you actually tell the EBM physician that you're not going to comply
with his recommended treatment? If so, what does he say to you?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here? Are you referring to my tonsilitis
that was fixed by chiropractic

How did a chiropractor "fix" your tonsillitis? What symptoms did he
"fix?" Who diagnosed the tonsillitis?

or when I had my appendix out for no good reason,

Did you ever press the EBM physicians who surgically removed your
appendix for an explanation?

Did you ask whether a biopsy had been done on the removed appendix. and
if so, for a copy of the report generated therefrom by the qualified
pathologist who examined it?

If you weren't given an explanation, to your satisfaction, on why your
appendix was surgically removed, did you make a complaint pursuant to
the Public Hospital Patient Charter?

http://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Summary-paper.pdf

as I since discovered I could have fixed it with cellsalts.

What were the symptoms that could have been fixed with cellsalts, making
the surgical removal of your appendix unnecessary?

In the USA, surgical removal of tissue that is later found to have been
removed without adequate medical necessity may be grounds for a claim in
medical malpractice.

Did you consider having your case reviewed by a Barrister qualified in
medical negligence practice? If not, why not?

Bob Officer

2014-05-21 01:09:09 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:44:01 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go
along with whatever is prescribed.

I made this point earlier.
Why go see a EBM physician for what you term as a "checkup" if
you're not willing to comply with his recommended treatment?
Why aren't you visiting a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner, or
self-diagnosing pursuant to your study of homeopathic literature?
You apparently don't trust EBM's treatment, but yet you don't fully
trust a diagnosis based upon homeopathy either.
Do you actually tell the EBM physician that you're not going to comply
with his recommended treatment? If so, what does he say to you?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here? Are you referring to my tonsilitis
that was fixed by chiropractic

How did a chiropractor "fix" your tonsillitis? What symptoms did he
"fix?" Who diagnosed the tonsillitis?

or when I had my appendix out for no good reason,

Did you ever press the EBM physicians who surgically removed your
appendix for an explanation?

IIRC she was a minor child.
in addition as early as 1966 tissue examination were required. My own
inflamed appendix was removed, the results of the tissue examination
were benign, and the appendix was described as surrounded with scar
tissue from inflammation and expansion to near rupture.

Post by Ernie
Did you ask whether a biopsy had been done on the removed appendix. and
if so, for a copy of the report generated therefrom by the qualified
pathologist who examined it?

Most hospitals do a tissue examine.

Post by Ernie
If you weren't given an explanation, to your satisfaction, on why your
appendix was surgically removed, did you make a complaint pursuant to
the Public Hospital Patient Charter?
http://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Summary-paper.pdf

She was a minor. I doubt it was removed for "no good reason".

as I since discovered I could have fixed it with cellsalts.

What were the symptoms that could have been fixed with cellsalts, making
the surgical removal of your appendix unnecessary?

She claims this but has failed to fix her fungus infection after 30
years of treatments. Her appendix would have ruptured long ago.

Post by Ernie
In the USA, surgical removal of tissue that is later found to have been
removed without adequate medical necessity may be grounds for a claim in
medical malpractice.
Did you consider having your case reviewed by a Barrister qualified in
medical negligence practice? If not, why not?

Because her own opinion about medical issues is worthless.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

Fred

2014-05-21 03:23:50 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:44:01 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go
along with whatever is prescribed.

I made this point earlier.
Why go see a EBM physician for what you term as a "checkup" if
you're not willing to comply with his recommended treatment?
Why aren't you visiting a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner, or
self-diagnosing pursuant to your study of homeopathic literature?
You apparently don't trust EBM's treatment, but yet you don't fully
trust a diagnosis based upon homeopathy either.
Do you actually tell the EBM physician that you're not going to comply
with his recommended treatment? If so, what does he say to you?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here? Are you referring to my tonsilitis
that was fixed by chiropractic

How did a chiropractor "fix" your tonsillitis? What symptoms did he
"fix?" Who diagnosed the tonsillitis?

or when I had my appendix out for no good reason,

Did you ever press the EBM physicians who surgically removed your
appendix for an explanation?

IIRC she was a minor child.

Then she is relying on her recollection as a minor when she says that
"they couldn't figure out what was wrong" or claiming now that her
appendix was removed "for no good reason."

She had to have been in pain and medicated, so that adds to her
inability to fully comprehend or recall what either the medical
personnel or her parents/guardian told her.

She displays limited understanding of health issues now, so what would
her understanding have been like as a minor?

Post by Bob Officer
in addition as early as 1966 tissue examination were required. My own
inflamed appendix was removed, the results of the tissue examination
were benign, and the appendix was described as surrounded with scar
tissue from inflammation and expansion to near rupture.

Post by Ernie
Did you ask whether a biopsy had been done on the removed appendix. and
if so, for a copy of the report generated therefrom by the qualified
pathologist who examined it?

Most hospitals do a tissue examine.

If for no other reason, than to confirm that there was medical necessity
in having it removed.

She was a minor. I doubt it was removed for "no good reason".

I also doubt they removed it without a good medical reason.

That begs the question, why is she harboring the thought that it was
removed unnecessarily?

as I since discovered I could have fixed it with cellsalts.

What were the symptoms that could have been fixed with cellsalts, making
the surgical removal of your appendix unnecessary?

She claims this but has failed to fix her fungus infection after 30
years of treatments. Her appendix would have ruptured long ago.

Because her own opinion about medical issues is worthless.

And that begs the question whether she is fully competent to take care
of herself now.

There appears to be more in her history than meets the eye or that she's
revealed to date.
--
"You have to remember Michele I don't take any
pharmaceutical products at all except for the
occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count?
Are you a drunk who tries to minimize their binge drinking?
Alcoholics often defend their drinking, Carole. Hangovers
don't happen after a drink or two. Drinking to the point
of getting a hangover is binge drinking. Occasionally
binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was
working away from home, thought it was fun at the time,
sort of like in holiday mode. The result of being brought
up in an overly straight environment where my parents drank
1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd year.
Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up
drinking by substituting with soft drink, which I have
now downscaled to about 1 750ml bottle a week mixed
with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda water.
I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last.
As I said, occasionally I indulge, or if I go
to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe
occasional glass of something if I go out."
- carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional
paracetamol less and less frequently.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“Drinking alcohol is not illegal. But apart from that,
I gave up shortly after 2006. And why shouldn't I drink,
I'm an adult ie over 21.”
– carole hubbard on 17 May 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day -
should have stopped at one though."
- carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

Bob Officer

2014-05-21 03:54:36 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:23:50 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:44:01 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go
along with whatever is prescribed.

I made this point earlier.
Why go see a EBM physician for what you term as a "checkup" if
you're not willing to comply with his recommended treatment?
Why aren't you visiting a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner, or
self-diagnosing pursuant to your study of homeopathic literature?
You apparently don't trust EBM's treatment, but yet you don't fully
trust a diagnosis based upon homeopathy either.
Do you actually tell the EBM physician that you're not going to comply
with his recommended treatment? If so, what does he say to you?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here? Are you referring to my tonsilitis
that was fixed by chiropractic

How did a chiropractor "fix" your tonsillitis? What symptoms did he
"fix?" Who diagnosed the tonsillitis?

or when I had my appendix out for no good reason,

Did you ever press the EBM physicians who surgically removed your
appendix for an explanation?

IIRC she was a minor child.

Then she is relying on her recollection as a minor when she says that
"they couldn't figure out what was wrong" or claiming now that her
appendix was removed "for no good reason."
She had to have been in pain and medicated, so that adds to her
inability to fully comprehend or recall what either the medical
personnel or her parents/guardian told her.

She as much admitted that she didn't follow the directions of the MD
after discharge from the Hospital.

Post by Fred
She displays limited understanding of health issues now, so what would
her understanding have been like as a minor?

Even worse, I suspect. her lack of ability to follow the most simple
directions has been shown in this newsgroup. Her predilection of
attempting to shift blame has been shown multiple times.

Post by Ernie
Did you ask whether a biopsy had been done on the removed appendix. and
if so, for a copy of the report generated therefrom by the qualified
pathologist who examined it?

Most hospitals do a tissue examine.

If for no other reason, than to confirm that there was medical necessity
in having it removed.

Yes. My own appendix was examined, and found to be damaged by
inflammation in the past.

She was a minor. I doubt it was removed for "no good reason".

I also doubt they removed it without a good medical reason.

As my memory of a 11 year old recalls the MD was still reluctant to
do the surgery. I was on the recovery side of a episode of an
appendix attack.

Post by Fred
That begs the question, why is she harboring the thought that it was
removed unnecessarily?

Because she has an unfounded belief it could be treated with her
colon bomb. remember her colon bomb is not cellsalts. and her
so-called deficiencies are just imaginary, at best.

as I since discovered I could have fixed it with cellsalts.

What were the symptoms that could have been fixed with cellsalts, making
the surgical removal of your appendix unnecessary?

She claims this but has failed to fix her fungus infection after 30
years of treatments. Her appendix would have ruptured long ago.

Because her own opinion about medical issues is worthless.

And that begs the question whether she is fully competent to take care
of herself now.

she isn't

Post by Fred
There appears to be more in her history than meets the eye or that she's
revealed to date.

There is, but how much she has already admitted to is scattered
across dozens of newsgroups and who knows how many different private
forums. I still question why she had her children removed from her
custody? Was it because she attempted to treat their lice with
cellsalts or was their some other direct harmful act?

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

The Other Guy

2014-05-21 03:59:39 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
She as much admitted that she didn't follow the directions of the MD
after discharge from the Hospital.

Post by Fred
She displays limited understanding of health issues now, so what would
her understanding have been like as a minor?

Even worse, I suspect. her lack of ability to follow the most simple
directions has been shown in this newsgroup. Her predilection of
attempting to shift blame has been shown multiple times.

I don't see any lack of ability, but there is a glaringly obvious lack
of desire, due to her paranoia about the medical establishment.

What she WANTS is someone she thinks she can trust to validate her
paranoia and total lack of scientific knowledge and actions.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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Kaye

2014-05-21 04:14:55 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

Post by Bob Officer
There is, but how much she has already admitted to is scattered
across dozens of newsgroups and who knows how many different private
forums. I still question why she had her children removed from her
custody? Was it because she attempted to treat their lice with
cellsalts or was their some other direct harmful act?

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.
Kaye

Fred

2014-05-21 04:48:55 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

I can picture that scenario. Some official from the school notified
carole that the kids have lice and must get proper medical treatment for
it. carole balks by getting into her preferred treatment with calcium.
The school official waits a few days and then notifies children's
protective services. A social worker visits the home and carole balks
again, perhaps also finding that living conditions in the home were
barely acceptable. A case is initiated with the court having
jurisdiction over neglected/abused children. A hearing is held. carole
balks again. The magistrate orders removal of the kids and temporary
custody with a foster parent. A plan is set up for carole to implement
changes that would lead to re-establishment of custody with her.

Does carole balk again? Did she regain custody of her kids?
--
"You have to remember Michele I don't take any
pharmaceutical products at all except for the
occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count?
Are you a drunk who tries to minimize their binge drinking?
Alcoholics often defend their drinking, Carole. Hangovers
don't happen after a drink or two. Drinking to the point
of getting a hangover is binge drinking. Occasionally
binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was
working away from home, thought it was fun at the time,
sort of like in holiday mode. The result of being brought
up in an overly straight environment where my parents drank
1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd year.
Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up
drinking by substituting with soft drink, which I have
now downscaled to about 1 750ml bottle a week mixed
with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda water.
I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last.
As I said, occasionally I indulge, or if I go
to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe
occasional glass of something if I go out."
- carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional
paracetamol less and less frequently.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“Drinking alcohol is not illegal. But apart from that,
I gave up shortly after 2006. And why shouldn't I drink,
I'm an adult ie over 21.”
– carole hubbard on 17 May 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day -
should have stopped at one though."
- carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

Kaye

2014-05-21 20:45:30 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

We don't know for sure what happened, although she did say she was
treating the children's head lice with calcium. The rest was
speculation. Here it would be a matter for the public health system
to step in. If your child is sent home from school for having lice,
you must treat it then have it checked before the child is allowed
back in school.
Kaye

Ernie

2014-05-21 22:05:08 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

Kaye

2014-05-22 01:57:13 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.
Kaye

The Other Guy

2014-05-22 02:32:02 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:57:13 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

Calcium could work fine on head lice.

You grab a large block of it, and pound the head lice into oblivion.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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2014-05-22 02:45:27 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 19:32:02 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, The

Post by The Other Guy
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:57:13 -0700, Kaye

Post by Kaye
I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

Calcium could work fine on head lice.
You grab a large block of it, and pound the head lice into oblivion.
To reply by email, lose the Ks...
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2014-05-22 02:50:47 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

I'm going to ask anyway.

Hey carole, what's up with this story about you, your kids, and their
head lice?

Kaye

2014-05-22 03:25:45 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:50:47 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

I'm going to ask anyway.
Hey carole, what's up with this story about you, your kids, and their
head lice?

Good luck with that. Do you really expect her to answer that one? I
would be shocked if she did.

Ernie

2014-05-22 03:43:50 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:50:47 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

I'm going to ask anyway.
Hey carole, what's up with this story about you, your kids, and their
head lice?

Good luck with that.

Thanks, Kaye. LOL!

Post by Kaye
Do you really expect her to answer that one?

Well, I have a hunch she may do so.

Post by Kaye
I would be shocked if she did.

Can't hurt to ask. ;-)

2014-05-22 04:43:23 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:50:47 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

I'm going to ask anyway.
Hey carole, what's up with this story about you, your kids, and their
head lice?

Good luck with that. Do you really expect her to answer that one? I
would be shocked if she did.

She must have gotten rid of her own case of lice or she would still be
telling us about it along with her foot fungus. I would bet that she didn't
get rid of the head lice and nits using calcium or cell salts, either.

--
Lu

Ernie

2014-05-22 04:50:01 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 22:50:47 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:05:08 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

Post by Kaye
On Wed, 21 May 2014 00:48:55 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 20:54:36 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Bob

No, she said she was treating the lice with calcium. At that point, I
think the authorities may have stepped in and taken the children.

Calcium as an effective treatment for head lice? I wonder how long it
took before the children were allowed back in school?

I don't know. She stated this in another forum and didn't tell the
whole story. We may never find out. I doubt she would clarify it
for us if we asked.

I'm going to ask anyway.
Hey carole, what's up with this story about you, your kids, and their
head lice?

Good luck with that. Do you really expect her to answer that one? I
would be shocked if she did.

I would bet she buckled under and used a conventional treatment of
insecticide. You're right. Otherwise she'd still be posting about her
calcium tablets.

Fred

2014-05-21 04:33:13 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 23:23:50 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Bob Officer
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:44:01 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Ernie

To use alternatives is my prerogative. Just because I visit a
doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am bound to only go
along with whatever is prescribed.

I made this point earlier.
Why go see a EBM physician for what you term as a "checkup" if
you're not willing to comply with his recommended treatment?
Why aren't you visiting a bona-fide homeopathic practitioner, or
self-diagnosing pursuant to your study of homeopathic literature?
You apparently don't trust EBM's treatment, but yet you don't fully
trust a diagnosis based upon homeopathy either.
Do you actually tell the EBM physician that you're not going to comply
with his recommended treatment? If so, what does he say to you?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

Which everyone here seems to realize is her normal M.O.

What are we talking about here? Are you referring to my tonsilitis
that was fixed by chiropractic

How did a chiropractor "fix" your tonsillitis? What symptoms did he
"fix?" Who diagnosed the tonsillitis?

or when I had my appendix out for no good reason,

Did you ever press the EBM physicians who surgically removed your
appendix for an explanation?

IIRC she was a minor child.

Then she is relying on her recollection as a minor when she says that
"they couldn't figure out what was wrong" or claiming now that her
appendix was removed "for no good reason."
She had to have been in pain and medicated, so that adds to her
inability to fully comprehend or recall what either the medical
personnel or her parents/guardian told her.

She as much admitted that she didn't follow the directions of the MD
after discharge from the Hospital.

Wow. I didn't know that. Her parents/guardian didn't monitor her
compliance, nor did follow-up personnel from the hospital.

Post by Fred
She displays limited understanding of health issues now, so what would
her understanding have been like as a minor?

Even worse, I suspect. her lack of ability to follow the most simple
directions has been shown in this newsgroup. Her predilection of
attempting to shift blame has been shown multiple times.

Post by Ernie
Did you ask whether a biopsy had been done on the removed appendix. and
if so, for a copy of the report generated therefrom by the qualified
pathologist who examined it?

Most hospitals do a tissue examine.

If for no other reason, than to confirm that there was medical necessity
in having it removed.

Yes. My own appendix was examined, and found to be damaged by
inflammation in the past.

She was a minor. I doubt it was removed for "no good reason".

I also doubt they removed it without a good medical reason.

As my memory of a 11 year old recalls the MD was still reluctant to
do the surgery. I was on the recovery side of a episode of an
appendix attack.

Post by Fred
That begs the question, why is she harboring the thought that it was
removed unnecessarily?

Because she has an unfounded belief it could be treated with her
colon bomb. remember her colon bomb is not cellsalts. and her
so-called deficiencies are just imaginary, at best.

That is so bizarre that it almost puts into question whether she has
some form of mental defect.

as I since discovered I could have fixed it with cellsalts.

What were the symptoms that could have been fixed with cellsalts, making
the surgical removal of your appendix unnecessary?

She claims this but has failed to fix her fungus infection after 30
years of treatments. Her appendix would have ruptured long ago.

Because her own opinion about medical issues is worthless.

And that begs the question whether she is fully competent to take care
of herself now.

she isn't

Post by Fred
There appears to be more in her history than meets the eye or that she's
revealed to date.

I saw that mentioned in an earlier post, about her treating the lice
with calcium (?) as well as giving her kids calcium tablets rather than
complying with routine dental hygiene of brushing and flossing.

I'm reading the part about her losing custody of the kids for the first
time now.

Wow. Just plain wow. That puts a different spin on things, for sure.
--
"You have to remember Michele I don't take any
pharmaceutical products at all except for the
occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count?
Are you a drunk who tries to minimize their binge drinking?
Alcoholics often defend their drinking, Carole. Hangovers
don't happen after a drink or two. Drinking to the point
of getting a hangover is binge drinking. Occasionally
binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was
working away from home, thought it was fun at the time,
sort of like in holiday mode. The result of being brought
up in an overly straight environment where my parents drank
1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd year.
Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up
drinking by substituting with soft drink, which I have
now downscaled to about 1 750ml bottle a week mixed
with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda water.
I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last.
As I said, occasionally I indulge, or if I go
to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe
occasional glass of something if I go out."
- carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional
paracetamol less and less frequently.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“Drinking alcohol is not illegal. But apart from that,
I gave up shortly after 2006. And why shouldn't I drink,
I'm an adult ie over 21.”
– carole hubbard on 17 May 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day -
should have stopped at one though."
- carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

carole

2014-05-20 08:04:25 UTC

On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Post by Ernie
An ancillary part of her issues is effective communication with and
trust in the health care providers she has accessed through the
universal health care system in Oz.
Can you imagine the reaction of a primary care physician in the USA who
heard a patient tell him that "I'm only here for your diagnosis and not
for pharmaceutical treatment?"

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Post by Kaye
This is why you don't have success when you go to the
doctor. You are not honest with him/her. I can imagine right now,
when your bladder infection doesn't go away, you will blame the doctor
even though you have told us you have no intention of taking what
he/she prescribed. That will not be the doctor's fault, but yours and
yet you will blame him/her.

I won't blame the doc if my bladder infection doesn't go away.
I've been taking quite a few homeopathic combination H tablets since
then. I think what caused the bladder infection was that I couldn't
get the usual tablets that I liked to take as New Era was sold off.
However, the new company has begun to make them again and I might get
back into them, or try another brand.

One of the main symptoms of the bladder infection is desire to urinate
with scant emission. Now this is a classic silica deficiency symptom.
then just last week I began to get a little dampness under the arms
and I realised that I hadn't been taking enough silica.
Also on top of that I'm taking a little more cream of tartar than
bicarb, potassium being the remedy for other symptoms of slight
cloudiness and occasional slight odour.

So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

Kaye

Thanks for your concern kaye.
I'm just glad I've learnt not to listen to everybody who offers what
might seem like "sound advice".
And this is what happens so much in life - people go along with things
because they don't know any other way.

That is one of my pet hates, when information is hidden "for people's
own good". I will decide what is for my own good not some corporate
entity who spins lies to sell more product and capture more
marketshare.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

The Other Guy

2014-05-20 08:26:43 UTC

Post by Kaye
Yes there is. Every time I go in I am asked to list all I'm taking,
whether prescription, over the counter, alternative, vitamins or
supplements. The doctor cannot treat effectively without ALL the
information.

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

It SHOULDN'T BE!

ANY doctor, ANYWHERE, that tries to treat you without knowing EVERY
medication, prescription or otherwise, that you take should be AVOIDED
at all costs!!

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2014-05-20 23:19:58 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:04:25 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Not so different that they don't take a medical history, I'm sure.

I won't blame the doc if my bladder infection doesn't go away.
I've been taking quite a few homeopathic combination H tablets since
then. I think what caused the bladder infection was that I couldn't
get the usual tablets that I liked to take as New Era was sold off.
However, the new company has begun to make them again and I might get
back into them, or try another brand.
One of the main symptoms of the bladder infection is desire to urinate
with scant emission. Now this is a classic silica deficiency symptom.
then just last week I began to get a little dampness under the arms
and I realised that I hadn't been taking enough silica.
Also on top of that I'm taking a little more cream of tartar than
bicarb, potassium being the remedy for other symptoms of slight
cloudiness and occasional slight odour.

In the beginning you said you had no symptoms. So, how can you know
if they are gone. You didn't recognize the symptoms to start with.
You've been taking your little concoction for years and still got the
infection. Maybe.....just maybe.......your kitchen experiment is a
failure. It hasn't cured, nor prevented anything. You are on a
lifetime long regimen of kitchen remedies with some homeopathics
thrown in for good measure. LIFELONG! Isn't that what you accuse
"Big Pharma" of?

Post by carole
So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Lifelong homeopathics.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

You don't have to take what is prescribed. True. Only if you want
the cure would you take the doctor's prescribed treatments. But,
nooooo, you are content with keeping the infections. And content with
LIFELONG dependency on "Big Homeopath's" LIFELONG treatments. Don't
you see the irony?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

LIFELONG suppression with homepathics and Carole's Colon Bomb.

Kaye

Yeah, you're kinda like that ostrich sticking his head in the sand to
avoid seeing the truth. I don't wish you ill health, Carole. I just
hope you wake up soon enough to see the light before it's too late.

Post by carole
That is one of my pet hates, when information is hidden "for people's
own good". I will decide what is for my own good not some corporate
entity who spins lies to sell more product and capture more
marketshare.

Your body, your experiment.
Kaye

Bob Officer

2014-05-21 00:00:21 UTC

On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:19:58 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, Kaye

Post by Kaye
On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:04:25 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, carole

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Not so different that they don't take a medical history, I'm sure.

I won't blame the doc if my bladder infection doesn't go away.
I've been taking quite a few homeopathic combination H tablets since
then. I think what caused the bladder infection was that I couldn't
get the usual tablets that I liked to take as New Era was sold off.
However, the new company has begun to make them again and I might get
back into them, or try another brand.
One of the main symptoms of the bladder infection is desire to urinate
with scant emission. Now this is a classic silica deficiency symptom.
then just last week I began to get a little dampness under the arms
and I realised that I hadn't been taking enough silica.
Also on top of that I'm taking a little more cream of tartar than
bicarb, potassium being the remedy for other symptoms of slight
cloudiness and occasional slight odour.

Do you know that there is no record of anyone ever being deficient on
silica. Silica is so ubiquitous that it is nearly impossible to find
any water which is not fully saturated with it.

http://www.rsc.org/education/teachers/resources/jesei/minerals/students.htm
<cite>
Almost 99% of the minerals making up the Earths crust are made up of
just eight elements. Most of these elements are found combined with
other elements as compounds.
Oxygen O 47%
Silicon Si 28%
Aluminium Al 8%
</cite>

Do you know that they do not normally test water for silica, because
naturally occurring water has never been found which was not fully
saturated with the mineral.

Post by carole
So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Lifelong homeopathics.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Yep.

Real irony and why many people consider Carole the queen of stupid:

I used a $10 antifungal cream for 2 weeks, the fungus has been gone
since then.

Carole has been using her Kitchen-Korncoction for over 30 years if
she used just one 1/2 heaping teaspoon of each per day. for 10 years
is 3700 heaping 1/2 teaspoons, for just 10 years. She has been using
this for well over 30 years. I once roughly figured out she spent
well over 600-1000 dollars and still has never cured her fungus
infection.

Now does that make sense?

Post by Kaye
Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

LIFELONG suppression with homepathics and Carole's Colon Bomb.

Kaye

Your body, your experiment.

She can do all she wants to her own self. Telling other people to use
her nonsense is criminal.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
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2014-05-21 20:38:20 UTC

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Combination H-Hayfever tablets used for hayfever and allergies? Good choice
of remedies for a bladder infection.

Post by carole
One of the main symptoms of the bladder infection is desire to urinate
with scant emission. Now this is a classic silica deficiency symptom.
then just last week I began to get a little dampness under the arms
and I realised that I hadn't been taking enough silica.
Also on top of that I'm taking a little more cream of tartar than
bicarb, potassium being the remedy for other symptoms of slight
cloudiness and occasional slight odour.

Oh my! More symptoms. Carole can't keep up with them anymore.

Post by carole
So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Enjoy yourself. It is later than you think.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

Well, pain killers suppress and oppose the symptoms of your hangovers. Why do
you use them? I'll bet you don't take pain killers at all. "Hare of the
hound" would be your remedy of choice.

Kaye

Thanks for your concern kaye.
I'm just glad I've learnt not to listen to everybody who offers what
might seem like "sound advice".
And this is what happens so much in life - people go along with things
because they don't know any other way.
That is one of my pet hates, when information is hidden "for people's
own good". I will decide what is for my own good not some corporate
entity who spins lies to sell more product and capture more
marketshare.
--
carole
www.cellsalts.net
Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8�
The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html
History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

--
Lu

Bob Officer

2014-05-21 21:46:07 UTC

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:38:20 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Lu

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Combination H-Hayfever tablets used for hayfever and allergies? Good choice
of remedies for a bladder infection.

I guess as long as it is magic pill she is happy.

Oh my! More symptoms. Carole can't keep up with them anymore.

This is odd. Carole has stated several different times she had no
symptoms.

Post by carole
So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Enjoy yourself. It is later than you think.

how long has she been trying to cure her foot fungus?

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

Well, pain killers suppress and oppose the symptoms of your hangovers. Why do
you use them? I'll bet you don't take pain killers at all. "Hare of the
hound" would be your remedy of choice.

"Like cures like"? That's the way a true homeopath would do it.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
Carole Hubbard in Message-ID:
<RWpco.4333$***@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>

2014-05-22 04:57:51 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:38:20 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Lu

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Combination H-Hayfever tablets used for hayfever and allergies? Good choice
of remedies for a bladder infection.

I guess as long as it is magic pill she is happy.

Oh my! More symptoms. Carole can't keep up with them anymore.

This is odd. Carole has stated several different times she had no
symptoms.

Yes, her story changes every day. She has stated several times that she had
no symptoms and then proceded to tell us what her symptoms were/are. Now she
is also having trouble keeping her doses of calcium and potassium balanced
and that is causing her to perspire.

Post by carole
So this is not an issue and there are other ways to fix these things
although modern medicine would like to keep everybody taking their
products.

Enjoy yourself. It is later than you think.

how long has she been trying to cure her foot fungus?

Must be 30 years by now.

Post by carole
To use alternatives is my prerogative.
Just because I visit a doctor to get a checkup, doesn't mean I am
bound to only go along with whatever is prescribed.

Just don't blame the doctor for your own failure.

It will be my success as it is nutritional cures and I'm ot
suppressing using allopathic remedies which oppose the symptoms.

Well, pain killers suppress and oppose the symptoms of your hangovers. Why do
you use them? I'll bet you don't take pain killers at all. "Hare of the
hound" would be your remedy of choice.

"Like cures like"? That's the way a true homeopath would do it.

(G)
--
Lu

Fred

2014-05-22 10:32:30 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:38:20 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Lu

Post by carole
On Mon, 19 May 2014 20:47:50 -0700, Kaye

Your system in US is different than in Oz.

Combination H-Hayfever tablets used for hayfever and allergies? Good choice
of remedies for a bladder infection.

I guess as long as it is magic pill she is happy.

Oh my! More symptoms. Carole can't keep up with them anymore.

This is odd. Carole has stated several different times she had no
symptoms.

It looks like the silica she's taking isn't keeping her from perspiring.

Maybe she should try a "Secret" deodorant.

--
"You have to remember Michele I don't take any
pharmaceutical products at all except for the
occasional panadeine for the odd hangover."
- carole hubbard on 3 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://gsk.co.nz/panadeine.html

"I do binge a little here and there - so what?"
- carole hubbard on 30 Jun 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking

"A drink or two doesn't give one a hangover. Lose count?
Are you a drunk who tries to minimize their binge drinking?
Alcoholics often defend their drinking, Carole. Hangovers
don't happen after a drink or two. Drinking to the point
of getting a hangover is binge drinking. Occasionally
binging is binging. Understand that?"
- Michelle replying to carole on 1 Jul 2004
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/binging

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/you-alcohol/alcohol-facts/binge-drinking/

“Haven't drunk in years. It was a social thing when I was
working away from home, thought it was fun at the time,
sort of like in holiday mode. The result of being brought
up in an overly straight environment where my parents drank
1 bottle of beer between themselves at xmas every 2nd year.
Things change. I don't drink anymore because I don't like
hangovers.” – carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

”I gave up smoking using my own willpower and gave up
drinking by substituting with soft drink, which I have
now downscaled to about 1 750ml bottle a week mixed
with soda water - 1/4 lemon squash 3/4 soda water.
I had a drink at a xmas party xmas before last.
As I said, occasionally I indulge, or if I go
to visit somebody who drinks.”
– carole hubbard on 27 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I gave it [drinking] up about 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe
occasional glass of something if I go out."
- carole hubbard on 28 Apr 2014
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

“I wouldn't take pharmaceutical drugs for anything.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“I don't take drugs for anything, except the occasional
paracetamol less and less frequently.”
– carole hubbard on 30 Apr 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

“Drinking alcohol is not illegal. But apart from that,
I gave up shortly after 2006. And why shouldn't I drink,
I'm an adult ie over 21.”
– carole hubbard on 17 May 2014
Message-ID: ***@4ax.com

"I had a couple of midori and lemonade the other day -
should have stopped at one though."
- carole hubbard on 12/15/2011
Message-ID: <od5Gq.301$%***@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>

http://www.midori.com.au/

http://www.drinkwise.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Effects-of-alcohol-DrinkWise.pdf

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/ds10-alcohol.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/36E6FEE732C8DF1BCA25767200769CD8/$File/adult.pdf

http://www.alcohol.gov.au/internet/alcohol/publishing.nsf/Content/E9E12B0E00E94FD5CA25718E0081F1DC/$File/std0910.pdf

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/adult-health/in-depth/denial/art-20047926

http://www.anosvic.org.au/ANOS_Vic_Contacts.html

http://bitsy.spinics.net/849

The Other Guy

2014-05-20 05:36:14 UTC

Post by carole
The doctor is there to serve the patient.
If I go for a checkup there is no obligation for me to disclose any
alternative remedies. I generally tell them I only use alternatives
but don't go into specifics.

THAT is absurdly stupid!!

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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carole

2014-05-20 02:21:13 UTC

Post by Bob Officer
On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:28:29 +1000, in misc.health.alternative,

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race. (I have worked as
a volunteer for the event). I watched a few nice finishes, can you
imagine the break-aways making it 3 times in a row?
Now it is back to work for a few more months and then I will join the
"Forever Saturday Club". I am looking forward to that.

What is the Forever Saturday Club?

Guess! It is the concept of a day which is not considered a working
day, nor does it have the weight of being the next day is back to
work.

I get it now.

When I used to work 5 days a week I thought it would be great to work
2 days a week and have 5 days off, which is my current situation now.
I just forgot how gruelling it was working 5 days a week - forever
saturday - yes, it makes sense.

--
carole
www.cellsalts.net

Biochemic Handbook at
http://www.seven-seas.com/library/biochemichandbook.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/3ncdkx8

The pharmaceutical fraud
http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/fraud/index.html

History of the Pharmaceutical Drug Business - the drug trust
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industryweapons13.htm

The Other Guy

2014-05-18 04:15:44 UTC

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race.

I was interested in it, WHEN they had a San Diego segment.
But NOT without one.

To reply by email, lose the Ks...

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2014-05-18 05:06:25 UTC

On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:15:44 -0700, in misc.health.alternative, The

Post by The Other Guy

Post by Kaye
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:44:56 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Fred

Post by Fred
Haven't seen a post from him in a few days.

I was Off chasing the Tour of California bike race.

I was interested in it, WHEN they had a San Diego segment.
But NOT without one.

I understand that, but then I enjoy riding myself. The ToC ranks
right up with the TdF for me. I guess it is like the Stanley Cup for
hockey fans. This year the ToC bypassed the 'normal valley cities'
for the coast route. I thought the so-cal venues were interesting
and like every ride/route there is a different set of challengers.

--
Bob Officer

"One of my pet hates is being made an idiot
out of ...but you go right ahead"
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John H. Gohde

2014-05-18 07:49:48 UTC